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3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:42 AM
Opponents started to get hot against Magic's ball-dominance after Kareem retired - Magic was molly-wopped by KJ's Suns in 90' and MJ in 91'.
This is similar to the Spurs, Mavs, Magic and Warriors getting hot against Lebron's ball-dominance - it's always the same excuse - the opponent "just got hot (again)"
But it isn't coincidence - ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. that's why ball-dominance is inferior strategy to ball movement, which wears down defenses more and wins the battle of attrition. The best defense is a good offense.
Kobe put up a brick fest in every single finals he was in except one.
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:47 AM
Kobe put up a brick fest in every single finals he was in except one.
Kobe's elite jumpshooting skill allowed the ball to move = higher team ceiling
Better brand= less help needed
Magic/Lebron needed super-teams, while Kobe won with Bosh, I mean Pau
8Ball
10-26-2021, 12:48 AM
Kobe's elite jumpshooting skill allowed the ball to move
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SouBeachTalents
10-26-2021, 12:49 AM
Kobe's elite jumpshooting skill allowed the ball to move = higher team ceiling
Better brand= less help needed
Magic/Lebron needed super-teams, while Kobe won with Bosh, I mean Pau
Kobe was the help for most of his titles
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:50 AM
https://c.tenor.com/gBd1CunHTYAAAAAC/lol-shaquilleoneal.gif
It's statistical fact - Kobe had far more catch-and-shoot and a much higher assisted rate (off-ball)
Otoh, Lebron turns a normally high-assisted position (F) into a low-assisted one (PG), thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:56 AM
Kobe was the help for most of his titles
But he still won 2 rings of the highest quality - no super-teams or 1b's - that's 2 more than Bron, who has the lowest quality rings (super-teams and 1b's)
It's statistical fact - Kobe had far more catch-and-shoot and a much higher assisted rate (off-ball)
Otoh, Lebron turns a normally high-assisted position (F) into a low-assisted one (PG), thereby lowering the assist capacity of the team
Years they won
2PT FGA Assisted percentage
LeBron 36%, 37.8%, 37.8%, 23.4% (playing PG that year)
Kobe 38.4%, 36.3%, 36.4%, 32.6%, 36.8%
Similar except the year LeBron played PG. So, as usual what on earth are you talking about?
But he still won 2 rings of the highest quality - no super-teams or 1b's - that's 2 more than Bron, who has the lowest quality rings (super-teams and 1b's)
Every team he beat in 09 and 10 was worse than his team. What’s high quality about that?
SouBeachTalents
10-26-2021, 01:03 AM
But he still won 2 rings of the highest quality - no super-teams or 1b's - that's 2 more than Bron, who has the lowest quality rings (super-teams and 1b's)
These are the highest quality rings?
https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jjeW8q491Q
You have some low standards bro :lol
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 01:31 AM
Magic was 5-4 in the finals and lost notably to the Moses/Dr.J Sixers, two top 15 GOATs on a top 5 level team. Bird, a top 10 GOAT on a top 5 level team, the Pistons while being injured, then an arguable GOAT in MJ at the peak of his powers( while Magic had Divac at center and Worthy got injured). OP acts like Magic lost in the finals to scrubs.
Magic was 5-4 in the finals and lost notably to the Moses/Dr.J Sixers, two top 15 GOATs on a top 5 level team. Bird, a top 10 GOAT on a top 5 level team, the Pistons while being injured, then an arguable GOAT in MJ at the peak of his powers( while Magic had Divac at center and Worthy got injured). OP acts like Magic lost in the finals to scrubs.
Yeah and LeBron lost twice to literally the GOAT team and another two to teams he had no shot of beating (07 Spurs, 15 warriors) with his supporting casts. 14 Spurs were functioning far better than 14 Heat as a team as well. 11 was his fault though.
GimmeThat
10-26-2021, 01:52 AM
ball dominance = mismatch ball movement = open man
dankok8
10-26-2021, 12:01 PM
The only you can really blame Magic for is 1984. He screwed up in that series. And maybe 1989 a bit because he got hurt and I don't think injuries are an excuse although I don't think the Pistons were going to be denied that year. Lakers were already down 0-2 when Magic got hurt IIRC.
The only you can really blame Magic for is 1984. He screwed up in that series. And maybe 1989 a bit because he got hurt and I don't think injuries are an excuse although I don't think the Pistons were going to be denied that year. Lakers were already down 0-2 when Magic got hurt IIRC.
Imagine blaming someone for getting injured lmao. You’re dumber than a box of rocks.
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:08 PM
Yeah and LeBron lost twice to literally the GOAT team and another two to teams he had no shot of beating (07 Spurs, 15 warriors) with his supporting casts. 14 Spurs were functioning far better than 14 Heat as a team as well. 11 was his fault though.
^^^ That's on Lebron
The Heat were a 2-time defending champion super-team with 4 HOF's and therefore should've been clear favorites over the well-playing but old Spurs team
sob wahhhhhhhhhhhhh I filled up my diaper because I’m so butthurt LeBron is superior to Kobe :( :cry:
:roll:
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:14 PM
Yeah and LeBron lost twice to literally the GOAT team
Who cares if Magic faced goat casts because his own cast was considered goat..
Ditto Lebron.. Losing the Finals with super-teams is always a knock - "not 6, not 7" can't make excuses when it falls way short
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 12:17 PM
Who cares if Magic faced goat casts because his own cast was considered goat..
So it was even. Magic's Lakers beating Bird and vice versa was a rivalry between two top 10 GOATs leading top 5 all-time teams. There was no shame in losing to the other. You think Magic holds his head in shame because he lose to Larry Bird? Or Moses and Dr.J? There were all time greats with all-time great teams beating each other. The 80s is considered the golden era for a reason.
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:20 PM
Magic was 5-4 in the finals and lost notably to the Moses/Dr.J Sixers, two top 15 GOATs on a top 5 level team. Bird, a top 10 GOAT on a top 5 level team, the Pistons while being injured, then an arguable GOAT in MJ at the peak of his powers( while Magic had Divac at center and Worthy got injured). OP acts like Magic lost in the finals to scrubs.
The 9-10 Finals record of Magic/Lebron includes numerous asterisks and bailouts such as the phantom foul on Laimbeer in 88' and 2 teammate bailouts for Lebron.
And who cares if Magic faced goat casts because his own cast was considered goat..
Ditto Lebron.. Losing the Finals with super-teams is always a knock - "not 6, not 7" can't make excuses when it falls way short
ShawkFactory
10-26-2021, 12:20 PM
^^^ That's on Lebron
The Heat were a 2-time defending champion super-team with 4 HOF's and therefore should've been clear favorites over the well-playing but old Spurs team
The 2014 Spurs had 4 HOFers too
3ball has to have a fetish for getting destroyed in arguments. No other explanation for why someone would continuously set himself up to be owned with facts this often.
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 12:34 PM
And who cares if Magic faced goat casts because his own cast was considered goat..
Yes, Magic had a GOAT team. He was also playing GOAT players who themselves had GOAT teams. 'Who cares' is a dumb non-argument. Him losing to the Celtics is a legit loss. So is losing to the Sixers. And, since you spend thousands of posts spamming on his behalf, losing to Michael Jordan is also a legit loss.
3ba11
10-26-2021, 12:35 PM
So it was even.
Super-team vs super-team is even
But so is 2-star team vs 2-star team.... :confusedshrug:
Jordan never lost when it was even, so why should anyone get to lose and be compared to him?
There was no shame in losing to the other.
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Jordan beat teams with 3 all-star in 96' and 93'..
Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scorers, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly the same defensive rank and FAR more scorers ..
So the Jazz were the only opponent that didn't have more talent, but they had a long-term organic brand that destroyed Popovich/Duncan and demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers.
So it was even.
Not for Lebron's opponents..
In 2005, Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes made the 2nd Round, but then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 2006. So Lebron almost always had better casts than his Eastern opponents.. He infact failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low seeds in 04', 05', or 19', and therefore only had high seeds in the playoffs (good casts relative to conference). So he never carried "bums" or low seeds in the playoffs like MJ or other stars did - Lebron infact got 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while MJ was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 and forced to carry 8 seeds
Super-team vs super-team is even
But so is 2-star team vs 2-star team.... :confusedshrug:
Jordan never lost when it was even, so why should anyone get to lose and be compared to him?
Jordan beat teams with 3 all-star in 96' and 93'..
Ultimately, the 91' Lakers and 92' Blazers had better-ranked defenses and more scorers, while the 93' Suns and 96' Sonics had nearly the same defensive rank and FAR more scorers ..
So the Jazz were the only opponent that didn't have more talent, but they had a long-term organic brand that destroyed Popovich/Duncan and demolished Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers.
Not for Lebron's opponents..
In 2005, Gilbert Arenas and Larry Hughes made the 2nd Round, but then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 2006. So Lebron almost always had better casts than his Eastern opponents.. He infact failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low seeds in 04', 05', or 19', and therefore only had high seeds in the playoffs (good casts relative to conference). So he never carried "bums" or low seeds in the playoffs like MJ or other stars did - Lebron infact got 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while MJ was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 and forced to carry 8 seeds
Who cares what Jordan did? He’s the GOAT. Kobe meanwhile was consistently dreadful in the finals :(
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 12:39 PM
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What does any of that bullshit have to do with Magic? I'm not even talking about Lebron. Hell I'm not even talking about Jordan outside of mentioning that it's a legit defeat losing to him. I'm actually complimenting MJ and you still went off the rails with your auto-reply. :oldlol:
Simple question: is losing to Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Dr. J/Moses underachieving? And let's see if you can answer that without copy/pasting a reply about Lebron James.
What does any of that bullshit have to do with Magic? I'm not even talking about Lebron. Hell I'm not even talking about Jordan outside of mentioning that it's a legit defeat losing to him. I'm actually complimenting MJ and you still went off the rails with your auto-reply. :oldlol:
Simple question: is losing to Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Dr. J/Moses underachieving? And let's see if you can answer that without copy/pasting a reply about Lebron James.
At this point I just hammer him on the Kobe stuff. He’s incapable of arguing Kobe>LeBron with even a semblance of consistency and integrity so it’s fun to watch him squirm.
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 12:47 PM
At this point I just hammer him on the Kobe stuff. He’s incapable of arguing Kobe>LeBron with even a semblance of consistency and integrity so it’s fun to watch him squirm.
He's preparing his next auto-reply, something about Jordan, 2 x 2 star formats, 'who cares' about whatever he doesn't have a copy/paste for, Scottie Pippen, Larry Hughes, etc. In reply to a post talking about Magic Johnson's finals record.
GrayGoat
10-26-2021, 01:09 PM
Thread title lolol
Shogon
10-26-2021, 01:18 PM
:roll:
SouBeachTalents
10-26-2021, 01:33 PM
Damn, 3ball gets clowned by everybody on the forum :lol He's a glutton for punishment
8Ball
10-26-2021, 01:37 PM
"What kind of dumb ass criticizes a player for winning 4 rings? Click here & find out."
https://c.tenor.com/gBd1CunHTYAAAAAC/lol-shaquilleoneal.gif
Phoenix
10-26-2021, 02:33 PM
:roll: at the thread title. I've had enough of ISH for the afternoon. Off to the bar.....
:roll: at the thread title. I've had enough of ISH for the afternoon. Off to the bar.....
A bar this early on a Tuesday? :lol
r15mohd
10-26-2021, 05:38 PM
A bar this early on a Tuesday? :lol
happy hour starts at 3p at most places here in SoFlo...or there's always Duffy's, where it's always 2-4-1. plus, like the saying goes, it's 5 o'clock somewhere!!
lakerstekkenn
10-26-2021, 07:20 PM
Kobe put up a brick fest in every single finals he was in except one.
That's not true at Kobe put up incredible numbers in the finals but sometimes his body couldn't perform due to fatigue and injuries, your just spouting nonsense just like most clueless obsessed Kobe bashers.
FilmyCogTurner
10-26-2021, 08:30 PM
Isolating entire season statlines is now considered cherry picking?
outofstomach
10-26-2021, 08:43 PM
happy hour starts at 3p at most places here in SoFlo...or there's always Duffy's, where it's always 2-4-1. plus, like the saying goes, it's 5 o'clock somewhere!!
he wouldn’t know since he doesn’t go outside
Phoenix
10-27-2021, 06:08 AM
A bar this early on a Tuesday? :lol
I got there at 4:30. Prime happy hour :cheers:
Sulico
10-27-2021, 07:14 AM
I don't understand.
3ball posts some ridiculous, dumb, crazy thread, and instantly gets like 10 pages of comments.
Why?
Is this how Cardashians got famous?
3ba11
10-30-2021, 02:06 PM
The best threads are the ones where the mods change the title - and you don't think they modified my posts on the poker site?... Lol
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic..
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
GrayGoat
10-30-2021, 02:08 PM
The best threads are the ones where the mods change the title - and you don't think they modified my posts on the poker site?... Lol
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic
You really losing sleep over this lol
3ba11
10-30-2021, 02:10 PM
You really losing sleep over this lol
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic from being career losers like other ball-dominators.
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
GrayGoat
10-30-2021, 02:11 PM
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic..
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
MJ getting Rodman and kukoc (best euro player) wasn’t stacking the deck
3ba11
10-30-2021, 02:18 PM
MJ getting Rodman and kukoc (best euro player) wasn’t stacking the deck
Neither Kukoc nor 36-year Rodman were all-stars, while Bosh/Love were perennial all-stars.. Meanwhile, Rodman wasn't the starter in the 98' Playoffs and averaged 4/8 for the entire 97' Playoffs.
Schrempf destroys Kukoc and destroyed Pippen in the 96' Finals - the Sonics had 3 all-stars and the Bulls only 2.. Ditto the 93' Suns, so MJ actually beat Finals opponents that had more all-stars.
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic from being career losers like other ball-dominators.
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
Bot malfunction. Another copy and paste coming up.
3ba11
10-30-2021, 02:26 PM
Bot malfunction. Another copy and paste coming up.
How can a guy that formed super-teams to win titles and still mostly lost with only 4 titles in 18 years be goat?... :biggums:
It's literally impossible - and it's a massively-uninformed insult and slap in the face to Jordan's career
Phoenix
10-30-2021, 02:44 PM
You really losing sleep over this lol
He responded to your post with a bot reply. :oldlol:
He'll probably reply to this post with one too.
SouBeachTalents
10-30-2021, 03:29 PM
He responded to your post with a bot reply. :oldlol:
He'll probably reply to this post with one too.
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic from being career losers like other ball-dominators.
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
TheCorporation
10-30-2021, 03:32 PM
Ultimately, we can knock Lebron for winning 4 chips because he stacked the deck and was expected to win much more than 4 (including 2 teammate bailouts)
Before the "decision", he was just another career-losing ball-dominator like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, Harden, Wall, Lillard, etc... Only the team-hopping and forming super-teams (or demanding to play with Kareem) separates Lebron and Magic from being career losers like other ball-dominators.
Inferior strategy (ball-dominance) mostly loses regardless of who employs it (9-10 in Finals for Magic/Lebron, including many asterisks).
You forgot to mention 89 Pippen and Big Z :lol :lol
3ba11
11-29-2021, 05:58 PM
Ball-dominance = lower team ceilings.... confirmed by 9-10 in the Finals from Magic & Lebron
"b-b-b-but the Mavs just got hot".... and the Spurs, Magic and Warriors too?
So it isn't coincidence - ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. that's why ball-dominance is inferior strategy to ball movement, which wears down defenses more and wins the battle of attrition. The best defense is a good offense - a tenet of all competition
SouBeachTalents
11-29-2021, 06:04 PM
Accurate thread title tbh
3ba11
11-29-2021, 06:09 PM
Accurate thread title tbh
You should be more interested in the real title that pissed off the mod so badly to violate free speech - here it was:
MAGIC & LEBRON ARE 9-10 IN FINALS - CONFIRMS LOWER CEILING OF BALL-DOMINATION
Opponents started to get hot against Magic's ball-dominance after Kareem retired - Magic was molly-wopped by KJ's Suns in 90' and MJ in 91'.
This is similar to the Spurs, Mavs, Magic and Warriors getting hot against Lebron's ball-dominance - it's always the same excuse - the opponent "just got hot" (again)
But it isn't coincidence - ball-dominance lets the defense rest, so they have more capacity to go off offensively.. that's why ball-dominance is inferior strategy to ball movement, which wears down defenses more and wins the battle of attrition. The best defense is a good offense.
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