Question for the Lebron Fanbois

[Full Court]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

[RogueBorg]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

Congratulations, you exposed the flaw in their argument.

[ELITEpower23]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

[Full Court]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

Yup, you completely avoided answering the question of the thread.

[8Ball]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

How many points does LeBron have over Jordan?

[8Ball]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

Meltdown. It's called a tiebreaker.

LeBron being #1 in all time points is the lynchpin for most of the old heads to declare LeBron as the UNDISPUTED GOAT.


Shaq said it himself. If LeBron reaches #1 all time in points, Shaq calls LeBron the GOAT.

[Airupthere]

Lebron’s game is so ugly that stans find his stats more worthy of watching

[8Ball]

Lebron’s game is so ugly that stans find his stats more worthy of watching

Wrong.

LeBron passing and offensive IQ is the most beautiful thing. Watching players chuck up 25 shots a game is brain dead basketball.

[Airupthere]

Wrong.

LeBron passing and offensive IQ is the most beautiful thing. Watching players chuck up 25 shots a game is brain dead basketball.

Shaq, barkley, zion, kemp, doing power moves is basketball poetry. Olajuwon, jordan, kobe on the post with their brilliant footwork is masterpiece. Ray allen, curry shooting 3s are a must watch. Magic, cp3, nash passing and orchestrating are beyond words.

Lebron, with his ugly footwork, crabwalk, bow arm shooting form, trying to look like george gervin or pistol pete or MJ on the post is just plain ugly basketball. Ask any kid if they want to imitate lebron's playing style.

[8Ball]

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Only low IQ fans like yourself dislike his game.


We're not here to lift you out from the primordial swamps :roll:

[Kobe_Bryant]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

I thought I was 12be


:eek:

[Kobe_Bryant]

Wrong.

LeBron passing and offensive IQ is the most beautiful thing. Watching players chuck up 25 shots a game is brain dead basketball.

lebrons passing is ok. his movement, foot work, shooting motion, layups are ugly and robotic/flawed

he air balled at least 20 free throws I his career. he's traveled, charges and flopped thousands of times. he posts up like he's a guy pretending to be a basketball player.

remember when he tried mimicking my off the backboard to himself play and got called for a travel

he shoots with this roided up muscle V shooting motion like he's about to chop some wood

he shoves and elbows guys out of the way for layups

its just the absolute worst aside from maybe shawn Marion and a few others

he doesn't look like a basketball player. he's always been a football player abusing weak nba rules

[2much_knowledge]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

Ill answer that for you

They know they can't fck with Jordan in terms of accolades in a lifetime, so they start by ignoring that

Wilt has the records and Bill has the rings, so no outlet there either

In the early 2010s they use to claim averages of pts, reb, ast or triple doubles until Westbrook destroyed lebron on those 3 categories

So what is left? Totals for playing a shit ton and staying healthy. And their saving grace is that Karl Malone doesn't have rings. If he had rings then not even that

And with kareem, its lack of finals mvps. So rings/finals mvps are crucial with kareem or malone but when it comes to MJ, it becomes unimportant again lol

And they claim MJ era is weak but they love to tell Bill russell has 11 to Jordan's 6 but don't acknowledge that the 50s/60s is the weakest era of all lol

Whatever suits these versatile clowns

[Airupthere]

lebrons passing is ok. his movement, foot work, shooting motion, layups are ugly and robotic/flawed

he air balled at least 20 free throws I his career. he's traveled, charges and flopped thousands of times. he posts up like he's a guy pretending to be a basketball player.

remember when he tried mimicking my off the backboard to himself play and got called for a travel

he shoots with this roided up muscle V shooting motion like he's about to chop some wood

he shoves and elbows guys out of the way for layups

its just the absolute worst aside from maybe shawn Marion and a few others

he doesn't look like a basketball player. he's always been a football player abusing weak nba rules

:applause: Exactly. Anyone that plays basketball will see these. Not taking away anything that he can do on the court. Just saying, accumulated stats on paper is one thing. Actually watching the guy play is another.

[dankok8]

Kareem went 4 years of college and Malone and MJ went 3 years each. Start Lebron's career in 2006 and he has 29,138 points still quite a way away from passing Jordan let alone Kareem. People rarely talk about the head start he had. That's also why longevity comparisons are kind of pointless. Something like high school eligibility makes a huge difference. The impact of starting your career later is probably even a bit more than what we get with a straight total points calculation. I doubt a rookie Lebron at age 21/22 would be quite as good as he actually was in 2006-2007 in his 4th NBA season. His whole growth curve could have been a bit slowed.

[3ba11]

Jordan reached 10k points the fastest (in the least games)

Ditto 15k, 20k, 25k and 30k

Those are the real records, while total points is for people that didn't pass arithmetic

[dankok8]

Jordan reached 10k points the fastest (in the least games)

Ditto 15k, 20k, 25k and 30k

Those are the real records, while total points is for people that didn't pass arithmetic

I'm pretty sure Wilt reached those milestones faster...

[1987_Lakers]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

Yes, let's not take into account LeBron's all-time great passing, 4 MVPs & 4 FMVPs.

[John_Connor]

Yes, let's not take into account LeBron's all-time great passing, 4 MVPs & 4 FMVPs.



the passing is ok

the mvps obviously don't matter since lebron hasn't won any in almost a decade proving its not a best player award

and the titles and any awards that come with them were forced via collusion during mostly fake shortened seasons or with suspensions and saved via bail outs

and his scoring longevity is due to steroids and a weaker era for contact that extended his career


hes a fraud. sorry

[1987_Lakers]

the passing is ok

the mvps obviously don't matter since lebron hasn't won any in almost a decade proving its not a best player award

and the titles and any awards that come with them were forced via collusion during mostly fake shortened seasons or with suspensions and saved via bail outs

and his scoring longevity is due to steroids and a weaker era for contact that extended his career


hes a fraud. sorry

Stopped reading there, he is the greatest passing forward ever, only Bird is comparable.

[theman93]

Stopped reading there, he is the greatest passing forward ever, only Bird is comparable.

Grant Hill was on that level too before injuries took their toll

[2much_knowledge]

Kareem went 4 years of college and Malone and MJ went 3 years each. Start Lebron's career in 2006 and he has 29,138 points still quite a way away from passing Jordan let alone Kareem. People rarely talk about the head start he had. That's also why longevity comparisons are kind of pointless. Something like high school eligibility makes a huge difference. The impact of starting your career later is probably even a bit more than what we get with a straight total points calculation. I doubt a rookie Lebron at age 21/22 would be quite as good as he actually was in 2006-2007 in his 4th NBA season. His whole growth curve could have been a bit slowed.



Great point they always miraculously forget to mention

[hateraid]

All time points is more relevant to a GOAT argument than repeating 6 for 6. One is an individual accomplishment. The other is a team accomplishment.

If 6 for 6 was relevant for individual success then let's add Robert Horry who did it with 3 different teams.

[RogueBorg]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

Yeah how many losses for Lebron and what's his +/-?

[RogueBorg]

Wrong.

LeBron passing and offensive IQ is the most beautiful thing. Watching players chuck up 25 shots a game is brain dead basketball.

And passing to the George Hill's of the world as the clock is winding down is not? Moron

[2much_knowledge]

All time points is more relevant to a GOAT argument than repeating 6 for 6. One is an individual accomplishment. The other is a team accomplishment.

If 6 for 6 was relevant for individual success then let's add Robert Horry who did it with 3 different teams.

That would be true IF and only IF, the circumstances are the same. If a player starts at 17 and the other at 23, its not the same. And depends on health too. Being healthy is NOT a skill. If it was, Penny, grant and Tmac would be scrubs.

Ring talk only matters between legends. Horry could have been 20/20 rings and it doesn't matter if he never made a single allstar game

[Airupthere]

That would be true IF and only IF, the circumstances are the same. If a player starts at 17 and the other at 23, its not the same. And depends on health too. Being healthy is NOT a skill. If it was, Penny, grant and Tmac would be scrubs.

Ring talk only matters between legends. Horry could have been 20/20 rings and it doesn't matter if he never made a single allstar game

Too much sense

[ClipperRevival]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?

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[ClipperRevival]

Kareem went 4 years of college and Malone and MJ went 3 years each. Start Lebron's career in 2006 and he has 29,138 points still quite a way away from passing Jordan let alone Kareem. People rarely talk about the head start he had. That's also why longevity comparisons are kind of pointless. Something like high school eligibility makes a huge difference. The impact of starting your career later is probably even a bit more than what we get with a straight total points calculation. I doubt a rookie Lebron at age 21/22 would be quite as good as he actually was in 2006-2007 in his 4th NBA season. His whole growth curve could have been a bit slowed.

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[Kobe_Bryant]

Stopped reading there, he is the greatest passing forward ever, only Bird is comparable.

the problem is lebron mostly just does stand still passing to guys that are wide open. he rarely does the Steve nash penitrate and set up for an easy 2 for a big. his passing is just ok. he can no look it to a wide open guy. big deal

[ClipperRevival]

Playoffs

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem
4. Kobe
5. Shaq

Any questions?

Yes, finals record? Thanks in advance.

[GrayGoat]

Yes, finals record? Thanks in advance.

People were calling MJ the goat after only 2 rings. Despite Bill Russell having 11

[SouBeachTalents]

It's hilarious to me how this narrative has been created that LeBron's only claim to the GOAT convo is longevity. OP, among others, will type that stupid shit about Malone, and apparently Melo now too lol, yet not take into account the guy is a 4x MVP, 4x FMVP and has literally GOAT level production & advanced metrics. The fact he's been this good for this long is of course a big part of the story, but he hasn't been John Stockton, the guy's peak play and production is up there with literally anybody in history.

[ClipperRevival]

People were calling MJ the goat after only 2 rings. Despite Bill Russell having 11

Yup, eye test is huge. People realized what they were witnessing. And when he 3 peated again, he literally became a God.

[NBAGOAT]

When you have longevity on top of being the best player of his era(clearly), yes that’s not a laughable GOAT case. Carmelos prime specifically is not that great besides maybe a year or 2 in NY when he was fringe top 5.

[Kobe_Bryant]

seeing jordan in 1988 would be like seeing neo from matrix entering the league. sometimes the eye test just doesn't fail

like the reason why most players rank me top 2 to 5.. I mean you can only ignore reality for so long

[8Ball]

Kareem went 4 years of college and Malone and MJ went 3 years each. Start Lebron's career in 2006 and he has 29,138 points still quite a way away from passing Jordan let alone Kareem. People rarely talk about the head start he had. That's also why longevity comparisons are kind of pointless. Something like high school eligibility makes a huge difference. The impact of starting your career later is probably even a bit more than what we get with a straight total points calculation. I doubt a rookie Lebron at age 21/22 would be quite as good as he actually was in 2006-2007 in his 4th NBA season. His whole growth curve could have been a bit slowed.

Why start LeBron's career at 2006 when it started at 2004.

[hateraid]

That would be true IF and only IF, the circumstances are the same. If a player starts at 17 and the other at 23, its not the same. And depends on health too. Being healthy is NOT a skill. If it was, Penny, grant and Tmac would be scrubs.

Ring talk only matters between legends. Horry could have been 20/20 rings and it doesn't matter if he never made a single allstar game

You're changing the subject.
I'm comparing an individual accomplishment over a team accomplishment. Follow along to what OP is trying to project.

[ClipperRevival]

Why start LeBron's career at 2006 when it started at 2004.

I guess his point flew right over your head babyboi.

[j3lademaster]

Since cumulative personal longevity stats are the biggest measure of greatness, since total career points are the most important stat, and since breaking KAJ's total points record would make Lebron "the undisputed GOAT...

Is Carmelo Anthony top ten of all time?

And is Karl Malone #2 of all time?Everything has to matter when measuring how good a player's career was. career stats represent longevity, and career averages typically mean a strong peak. And career points is just one category. A category that some argue isn't even Lebron's strongest attribute. Are Melo and Malone the passers Lebron is? The defenders? Did they make 10 finals? How many rings and Finals MVP's?

Taking one category(points in this case) to measure an entire career is inaccurate at best. That's why literally no one does that. When Shaq said if Lebron gets the alltime points record he's the goat, he means that particular achievement ON TOP of everything Lebron's accomplished.

[2much_knowledge]

Why start LeBron's career at 2006 when it started at 2004.

To help you understand that in terms of actual production, he would be behind and the only reason he is and ahead is playing alot more duh

[Hey Yo]

Jordan reached 10k points the fastest (in the least games)

Ditto 15k, 20k, 25k and 30k

Those are the real records, while total points is for people that didn't pass arithmetic

Not in consecutive seasons. He needed to quit the NBA and rest up to achieve those.

[8Ball]

I guess his point flew right over your head babyboi.


To help you understand that in terms of actual production, he would be behind and the only reason he is and ahead is playing alot more duh

Low IQ posts.

I don't argue hypotheticals that never happened.

Bron started his career in 2004 despite what mirages you guys want to conjure.

[BigShotBob]

It's hilarious to me how this narrative has been created that LeBron's only claim to the GOAT convo is longevity. OP, among others, will type that stupid shit about Malone, and apparently Melo now too lol, yet not take into account the guy is a 4x MVP, 4x FMVP and has literally GOAT level production & advanced metrics. The fact he's been this good for this long is of course a big part of the story, but he hasn't been John Stockton, the guy's peak play and production is up there with literally anybody in history.

MJ's advanced stats (and he didn't have the benefit of even knowing what they were), Finals MVPs, MVPs, DPOY, and Scoring Titles as well as All Defensive First Team selections are ignored too or rationalized away until Lebron is compared to someone that doesn't have them, then suddenly that's all that matters.

[2much_knowledge]

MJ's advanced stats (and he didn't have the benefit of even knowing what they were), Finals MVPs, MVPs, DPOY, and Scoring Titles as well as All Defensive First Team selections are ignored too or rationalized away until Lebron is compared to someone that doesn't have them, then suddenly that's all that matters.

100% correct. Very High I.Q post.

[Baller789]

If Lebron really is the undisputed GOAT. He should have at least 1 season as a top 3 all time peak.

Fyi: he doesn't

[SouBeachTalents]

If Lebron really is the undisputed GOAT. He should have at least 1 season as a top 3 all time peak.

Fyi: he doesn't
What would be your top 5 peaks?

[Baller789]

What would be your top 5 peaks?

I said top 3, not 5.

You couldn't even get that right. :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

I said top 3, not 5.

You couldn't even get that right. :facepalm
The fck? I asked you a simple question :oldlol: Weird, defensive response.

[Baller789]

The fck? I asked you a simple question :oldlol: Weird, defensive response.

Sure buddy. Go back to gradeschool. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Sure buddy. Go back to gradeschool. :lol
Yeah, I couldn't read 5 instead of 3. REALLY weird thing to pick an argument about :lol But hey, you do you

[Baller789]

Yeah, I couldn't read 5 instead of 3. REALLY weird thing to pick an argument about :lol But hey, you do you

That's why you need to go back to gradeschool. These simple numbers seem to easily fluster you. :(

[NBAGOAT]

That's why you need to go back to gradeschool. These simple numbers seem to easily fluster you. :(

Name your top 3 then lol. Realgm peaks project and Ben Taylor both had bron top 3 I’m pretty sure. Guessing you don’t want to share it because it’ll be unpopular but it’s not actually that hard to argue 3 peaks over bron

[Baller789]

Name your top 3 then lol. Realgm peaks project and Ben Taylor both had bron top 3 I’m pretty sure. Guessing you don’t want to share it because it’ll be unpopular but it’s not actually that hard to argue 3 peaks over bron

Nope. And I wouldn't even make it easy for you guys. :oldlol:

[outofstomach]

Why start LeBron's career at 2006 when it started at 2004.
bron stan reading comprehension :applause:

[8Ball]

bron stan reading comprehension :applause:

Jordan stan trying to invent mythical arguments.

[8Ball]

The fck? I asked you a simple question :oldlol: Weird, defensive response.

He's too dumb that's why. Jordan stans are low IQ.

[Baller789]

He's too dumb that's why. Jordan stans are low IQ.

:roll: