Only 5 players today would score above 25ppg in the 90s

[90sgoat]

We see with the more physical rule that season that losers like James Harden are reduced to 16ppg.

I always said that Curry, Lebron, Harden etc would struggle to score 20ppg in the 90s.

Very few of the modern scorers would hit 25ppg in the 90s.

Embiid, AD, KAT, Zion, they would.

Which guards?

Luka, yes for sure, has the post game, has the moves.

I think Klay has a better chance of scoring 20ppg than either of those mentioned.

Ok, if we went back to the 90s, I could see something like this:

Joel Embiid - 28 ppg
Luka Doncic - 27 ppg
AD - 27ppg
Zion - 25ppg
KAT - 24ppg
---
Curry 19ppg
Lebron 18ppg
Harden 16ppg (off the bench)

[8Ball]

Another low IQ thread by Jordan tards :roll:

[90sgoat]

Another low IQ thread by Jordan tards :roll:

I jumped off the Jordan bandwagon some time ago bruh.

[Full Court]

I think Morant would as well. That guy's the real deal.

[AirBonner]

Op is a dumbass. No Jokic but has Kat…you don’t know shit

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is a fakkit but I actually agree with him 100% on this. No way in an era where Glen Rice, Jamal Mashburn & Michael Adams were scoring 25 ppg would LeBron or Curry ever dream of reaching 20. 33/34 year old Dominique Wilkins & Bernard King were at nearly 30 ppg and they were 10x the players & scorers LeBron was.

[LeCola]

Curry could score 30+ ppg in 90's.

[j3lademaster]

Lebron’s career started in 2003, which most would consider a tough defensive era. And in spite of all this, he’s never averaged below 20 ppg, even as a 19 year old. But a prime James wouldn’t be able to score 20+ in the 90’s?

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron’s career started in 2003, which most would consider a tough defensive era. And in spite of all this, he’s never averaged below 20 ppg, even as a 19 year old. But a prime James wouldn’t be able to score 20+ in the 90’s?

Some people can talk ball about any subject other than Lebron

[BigShotBob]

OP is a fakkit but I actually agree with him 100% on this. No way in an era where Glen Rice, Jamal Mashburn & Michael Adams were scoring 25 ppg would LeBron or Curry ever dream of reaching 20. 33/34 year old Dominique Wilkins & Bernard King were at nearly 30 ppg and they were 10x the players & scorers LeBron was.

They actually kind of were though skill wise. Don't confuse Lebron's longevity stats with actual scoring ability. Gilbert arenas said it best, Lebron mostly scored in transition so you never felt like he was killing you.

Curry is a tough one because with hand-checking it's possible to stop him more and body him up but he'll still be able to explode for certain games but don't forget what happened in 2016 and even in 2018 game 4 of the Finals he went like 3/13.

Don't undersell Glen Rice, Jamal Mashburn, and Michael Adams. Michael Adams peaked at 26 ppg due to pace with the Nuggets, Jamal Mashburn shot over 20 times a game to get over the 20ppg hump twice, and Dominique Wilkins is....Domonique Wilkins no matter how old.

[AirBonner]

Imagine a league with a shorter 3pt line and their not allowed to play zone. Fvxking cupcakes

[Kblaze8855]

Always a weird discussion to me. For one….the early 2000s had better defense than much of the 90s so you have to be specific. The Lebron who scored 27 a game in 2005 when the Pistons and Spurs were still holding teams to 68 points and shit?

Put him against the early 90s nuggets who damn near gave up 200 in the preseason and had guys with 20 point triple doubles at the half? Gave up 173 in regulation? Lebron might drop 70. Them….the warriors…hell a lot of west coast early 90s teams?

Lebron could do whatever he wanted.

Late 90s East?

Whole other story.

The whole decade wasnt equal.

[90sgoat]

Lebron’s career started in 2003, which most would consider a tough defensive era. And in spite of all this, he’s never averaged below 20 ppg, even as a 19 year old. But a prime James wouldn’t be able to score 20+ in the 90’s?

The 2000s were different in that it became acceptable for players to dominate the ball with low efficiency.

That wasn't the case in the 90s. You did not dominate the ball unless you were a very skilled point guard or an elite post scorer.

If you weren't any of those, then you'd have to get your points in transition or off ball on mostly long 2s.

This is actually one of the bigger criticisms you could make of the very defensive 90s, particularly the later part.

It was basically attempt to get a low post score, pass out of double to open midrange jumper or get a bucket in transition. Sometimes swap the mid range for an open 3.

Where would Lebron fit in that scenario?

He was never good enough to consistently score low post, an atrocious mid range shooter, not elite from 3.

So where is Lebron going to get his 20ppg?

In transition.

Lebron would have similar stats to Scottie Pippen.

Could an open minded coach have made better use of Lebron? Possibly.

I could see him on the Knicks being allowed to do a lot of what he did in Cleveland, with Ewing being a better Ilgauskas and Starks being the shooter.

It would be low FG% though. Like low 40s.

[SouBeachTalents]

They actually kind of were though skill wise. Don't confuse Lebron's longevity stats with actual scoring ability. Gilbert arenas said it best, Lebron mostly scored in transition so you never felt like he was killing you.

Curry is a tough one because with hand-checking it's possible to stop him more and body him up but he'll still be able to explode for certain games but don't forget what happened in 2016 and even in 2018 game 4 of the Finals he went like 3/13.

Don't undersell Glen Rice, Jamal Mashburn, and Michael Adams. Michael Adams peaked at 26 ppg due to pace with the Nuggets, Jamal Mashburn shot over 20 times a game to get over the 20ppg hump twice, and Dominique Wilkins is....Domonique Wilkins no matter how old.
Agreed, LeBron's scoring is only impressive from a longevity standpoint, he's never had truly elite ppg averages. And don't worry, I haven't forgotten that one game sample size from Curry which proves he'd score less than 20 ppg in the 90's.

In all seriousness though, you must be able to see the irony of telling me not to undersell Michael Adams when OP's claiming two scoring champions, multiple MVP winners & top 20 players of all time wouldn't average 20 ppg.

[90sgoat]

Glen Rice

Glen Rice only scored above 22ppg once in his career and that was during the shortened 3 point line season (47 3PT% on 5 attempts).

[Full Court]

Oh, and Giannis too. Giannis would be a beast in any era.

[90sgoat]

Always a weird discussion to me. For one….the early 2000s had better defense than much of the 90s so you have to be specific. The Lebron who scored 27 a game in 2005 when the Pistons and Spurs were still holding teams to 68 points and shit?

Put him against the early 90s nuggets who damn near gave up 200 in the preseason and had guys with 20 point triple doubles at the half? Gave up 173 in regulation? Lebron might drop 70. Them….the warriors…hell a lot of west coast early 90s teams?

Lebron could do whatever he wanted.

Late 90s East?

Whole other story.

The whole decade wasnt equal.

True, I am more talking about the later decade.

In the early 90s, sure, there was some run and gun going on there.

[BigShotBob]

Glen Rice only scored above 22ppg once in his career and that was during the shortened 3 point line season (47 3PT% on 5 attempts).

He was still a potent offensive player since he practically averaged 21+ ppg for most of the 90s


Agreed, LeBron's scoring is only impressive from a longevity standpoint, he's never had truly elite ppg averages. And don't worry, I haven't forgotten that one game sample size from Curry which proves he'd score less than 20 ppg in the 90's.

In all seriousness though, you must be able to see the irony of telling me not to undersell Michael Adams when OP's claiming two scoring champions, multiple MVP winners & top 20 players of all time wouldn't average 20 ppg.

Skill vs longevity. I guess Karl Malone has a deeper bag than MJ.

I don't think Curry would score less than 20 ppg, he'd just be like Chris Jackson but on steroids'.

Lebron would definitely get his, it just probably won't be pretty though.

[Spurs m8]

What about KD?

[Spurs m8]

Another low IQ thread by Jordan tards :roll:

Because we don't see daily low IQ threads from bron stans?

Lmao fvkcing coke head

[90sgoat]

What about KD?

That's a tough one, because he would get straight up bullied if he were to play PF.

I guess if Tony Kukoc can play so can he though.

Maybe stay at SF.

Would be interesting, obviously would hold his own offensively, but like Kukoc, would get absolutely bullied defensively.

[SouBeachTalents]

Just FYI, some players who reached 20 ppg in the late 90's East

Vin Baker
Glenn Robinson
Kendall Gill
Antoine Walker
Keith Van Horn

LeBron & Curry would be unable to match their scoring prowess

[90sgoat]

Just FYI, some players who reached 20 ppg in the late 90's East

Vin Baker
Glenn Robinson
Kendall Gill
Antoine Walker
Keith Van Horn

LeBron & Curry would be unable to match their scoring prowess

I'll admit I was a little too pessimistic about Bron.

I could see him get those 20-22ppg sure.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'll admit I was a little too pessimistic about Bron.

I could see him get those 20-22ppg sure.
That's pretty generous. 17-18 would be a more realistic expectation.

[Baller789]

Lebron could do it, but on lower efficiency.

KD I'm pretty sure he would. But he'd be a liability defensively.

Curry I think, lower to mid 20 ppg. But would be wildly inconsistent because physical play bothers shooter's rythm the most.

Harden, most probably, but he would have to play off ball.

The bigs I think would benefit more.

[jlip]

We see with the more physical rule that season that losers like James Harden are reduced to 16ppg.

Harden 16ppg (off the bench)

We are what 4-5 games into the season. Harden is fat, out of shape, and coming off a hamstring injury or something like that. We know he took advantage of the rules that favored flopping for years, but that's not why is struggling right now. He barely averaged 10ppg on 30% fg in the playoffs without these new "more physical" rules even in play. Why? Because he was injured. Assess Harden's abilities under these so called more physical rules if he ever fully recovers and gets back into shape after 40 games or so.

[8Ball]

Because we don't see daily low IQ threads from bron stans?

Lmao fvkcing coke head

Lmao kawhi m8 the coke head projecting hard.

Look how mad you are every time I type truth.

I have you hooked on a leash.

[8Ball]

Lebron’s career started in 2003, which most would consider a tough defensive era. And in spite of all this, he’s never averaged below 20 ppg, even as a 19 year old. But a prime James wouldn’t be able to score 20+ in the 90’s?

OP as well as kawhi m8 are low IQ idiots.

LeBron scores 27ppg in a more defensive era of the mid 2000s yet wouldn't be able to do it in the 90s.

Old Jordan tards get dumber every year.

[ImKobe]

Lebron was Wizards' MJ pre-rule changes but he'd be a 22-25 ppg scorer in the 90s, maybe slightly better than Pippen. I don't see him being nearly as effective without spacing and against physical/elite rim protectors packing the paint against him. He's always been a streaky jump shooter and didn't have a consistent jump shot in his prime. I know he had the one outlier in '09 and a few Playoff series here & there but overall he's always been inconsistent outside the paint w/ mid-30s from mid-range/30 almost his entire career and around 30% in the POs his first few runs. From 03-10, he averaged 32%FG from 10-16 ft and 37.7%FG on long 2s, that's not gonna cut it.

[8Ball]

Lebron was Wizards' MJ pre-rule changes but he'd be a 22-25 ppg scorer in the 90s, maybe slightly better than Pippen. I don't see him being nearly as effective without spacing and against physical/elite rim protectors packing the paint against him. He's always been a streaky jump shooter and didn't have a consistent jump shot in his prime. I know he had the one outlier in '09 and a few Playoff series here & there but overall he's always been inconsistent outside the paint w/ mid-30s from mid-range/30 almost his entire career and around 30% in the POs his first few runs. From 03-10, he averaged 32%FG from 10-16 ft and 37.7%FG on long 2s, that's not gonna cut it.

Another garbage low IQ take.

LeBron played with no spacing in the mid 2000s and put up big numbers. Bron is a superior scoring machine than Kobe.

I notice a trend with Kobe and Jordan stans, always posting awful takes.

[k0kakw0rld]

Despite the "so called" physical play of this early season.

This is how the League looks like. OP shut the fk up please and thanks.
https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/6zlr.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/6zlr.jpg)

[Kblaze8855]

If you’re wondering what seven 90s nba players think….



https://youtu.be/cGSMo1mW2LY

[SouBeachTalents]

If you’re wondering what seven 90s nba players think….



https://youtu.be/cGSMo1mW2LY
Eat shit OP :oldlol:

[HoopsNY]

Despite the "so called" physical play of this early season.

This is how the League looks like. OP shut the fk up please and thanks.
https://zupimages.net/up/21/43/6zlr.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=21/43/6zlr.jpg)

I don't disagree with you, but the PPG listed doesn't account for pace and FGA. This year's pace, albeit in very limited games, is higher than last year's, and so is the FGA and 3PA.

[Lebron23]

We see with the more physical rule that season that losers like James Harden are reduced to 16ppg.

I always said that Curry, Lebron, Harden etc would struggle to score 20ppg in the 90s.

Very few of the modern scorers would hit 25ppg in the 90s.

Embiid, AD, KAT, Zion, they would.

Which guards?

Luka, yes for sure, has the post game, has the moves.

I think Klay has a better chance of scoring 20ppg than either of those mentioned.

Ok, if we went back to the 90s, I could see something like this:

Joel Embiid - 28 ppg
Luka Doncic - 27 ppg
AD - 27ppg
Zion - 25ppg
KAT - 24ppg
---
Curry 19ppg
Lebron 18ppg
Harden 16ppg (off the bench)

Such a stupid thread. Created by a loser.

[ImKobe]

Another garbage low IQ take.

LeBron played with no spacing in the mid 2000s and put up big numbers. Bron is a superior scoring machine than Kobe.

I notice a trend with Kobe and Jordan stans, always posting awful takes.

His lack of range was exposed on those teams, that's my ****ing point lol.. He had good RS numbers but the league obviously changed the rules after his rookie season so he was able to get to the paint or to the FT line whenever he wanted, yet the good defensive teams like the Spurs & Celtics shut him down in most games in the POs. Now make him play under the old rules with handchecking, little to no spacing and no 3 second rule and you think his scoring numbers translate without a reliable jump shot? Remember, his jump shot was still an issue almost 10 years into his career, it didn't really get better until 2016 range because 2015 Lebron had the worst 3PT shooting Playoff run in league history with 22.7%3PT at 5.5 attempts and he shot 36% from 10-16 & 31.6% on long 2s as well.

At best he'd be Karl Malone in the 90s, but that's if he's playing the 4 and has others create for him. He's not putting up the same numbers as the PG.

[Baller789]

Another garbage low IQ take.

LeBron played with no spacing in the mid 2000s and put up big numbers. Bron is a superior scoring machine than Kobe.

I notice a trend with Kobe and Jordan stans, always posting awful takes.

Did you just say Lebron is a superior scoring machine than Kobe?

[TheGoatest]

Yes, not everyone today is as good as 90s 25ppg scorers Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice and Michael Adams.

[BigShotBob]

Yes, not everyone today is as good as 90s 25ppg scorers Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice and Michael Adams.

Funny thing is, they're really not.

[Baller789]

Yes, not everyone today is as good as 90s 25ppg scorers Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice and Michael Adams.

Mitch Richmond and Glen Rice were pretty good. Elite even at their peaks.

[TheCorporation]

If you’re wondering what seven 90s nba players think….



https://youtu.be/cGSMo1mW2LY

Eat Shit OP :lol

[Baller789]

I don't disagree with you, but the PPG listed doesn't account for pace and FGA. This year's pace, albeit in very limited games, is higher than last year's, and so is the FGA and 3PA.

They won't adjust for pace because it would go against their agendas.

[TheGoatest]

Can you imagine if all of today's properly distanced 3 point line 40%ish shooters on 5 3pt attempts per game were suddenly placed behind the 1994-97 pee-wee 3-point line?

Combine that with the watered-down perimeter talent era in general with significantly fewer international players and Toronto Raptors and Vancouver Grizzlies being introduced to water it down some more?

For today's many 3-point specialists, it would be like changing the setting from "very hard" to "medium" in a video game. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Can you imagine if all of today's properly distanced 3 point line 40%ish shooters on 5 3pt attempts per game were suddenly placed behind the 1994-97 pee-wee 3-point line?

Combine that with the watered-down perimeter talent era in general with significantly fewer international players and Toronto Raptors and Vancouver Grizzlies being introduced to water it down some more?

For today's many 3-point specialists, it would be like changing the setting from "very hard" to "medium" in a video game. :oldlol:

Not really. Team USA didn't shoot the lights out with the FIBA/Olympics 3PT line.. I don't think that's how it works. Plus you add on the physicality/handchecking and no defensive 3 seconds and it's significantly harder to score if you just dumped a modern NBA player from today's league into the 90s.

[000]

Lebron would score literally 0 points per game.

He never scored outside of drives and it was impossible to drive to the rim in the 90s. Back in the day centers were allowed to suplex you if you went to the paint. So nobody scored at the rim, except for Jordan, who was just so great and awesome and fast and sexy and skilled he could evade the suplex.

And three pointers were banned by the ten commandments (except for a couple of seasons in the mid-90s) so Lebum wouldnt score that way either.

In the 90s there weren't todays soft calls either. What would LePoo do without those? Hed get like 1 ft/game and brick that too XD

...


Curry and Trae Young might score a couple ppg off FTs that the refs gifted them after feeling bad for them.

[Phoenix]

I had a few paragraphs typed out but fukk it, it's too early for this shit. Lebron and Steph are dropping under 20 in the 90s? I don't even have the strength to keep up a conversation like this.

[000]

I had a few paragraphs typed out but fukk it, it's too early for this shit. Lebron and Steph are dropping under 20 in the 90s? I don't even have the strength to keep up a conversation like this.

It makes 100% sense to me. Midrange scoring was the be all end all and LeStumpers and curry have 0 skill there.

Now, one guy who would drop 25 a night in the 90s? Zion. He's an absolute killer from midrange, deepest bag in the league honestly. I didnt even read the OP but I bet he's in there.

[Sulico]

If Steph Curry would be born and raised in 70's, maybe he would be just juiced up version of Rggie Miller, and average anywhere from 20 to 27 PPG.

If you drop current version of Steph, with all his knowledge and muscle memory to the early 90's he would be averaging 40+ PPG without breaking a sweat.

[Baller789]

If Steph Curry would be born and raised in 70's, maybe he would be just juiced up version of Rggie Miller, and average anywhere from 20 to 27 PPG.

If you drop current version of Steph, with all his knowledge and muscle memory to the early 90's he would be averaging 40+ PPG without breaking a sweat.

No he won't. They'll put his arse on the floor a couple of times, and it's bye2 rythm.

[Phoenix]

It makes 100% sense to me. Midrange scoring was the be all end all and LeStumpers and curry have 0 skill there.

Now, one guy who would drop 25 a night in the 90s? Zion. He's an absolute killer from midrange, deepest bag in the league honestly. I didnt even read the OP but I bet he's in there.

Exhibit A of why sometimes I just can't be bothered.

[Phoenix]

If Steph Curry would be born and raised in 70's, maybe he would be just juiced up version of Rggie Miller, and average anywhere from 20 to 27 PPG.

If you drop current version of Steph, with all his knowledge and muscle memory to the early 90's he would be averaging 40+ PPG without breaking a sweat.

Thank you. Steph is an even better shooting Reggie except he also has elite ballhandling/playmaking skills and actually WANTS to kill you. I've seen enough 13 shot nights from Reggie to laugh at the idea that Steph, who has a scorers mindset, is barely dropping 19ppg in the 90s( which is basically what Reggie was averaging).

Or as you said, if he's actually coming along in the 90s and not just 'plucked' from the current era his skillset will probably be more in line with the era. Remember, his father was a great shooter back then. Maybe Steph is something like that but with better handles. All of these 'player X in another era' arguments have so many factors to consider.

[LeCola]

No he won't. They'll put his arse on the floor a couple of times, and it's bye2 rythm.

With current rules, opponents doing this to stop him:

https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/article/hero/CURRY%204%20DEFENDERS%20v2.jpg

If he played in 90's which

Zone defense is illegal
Teams do not tend to switch after screens
Bigs are mostly not good on perimeter defence

He could score 40ppg, just calling screens and shooting threes all game.

However, they could probably change rules to stop him.

[BigShotBob]

With current rules, opponents doing this to stop him:

https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/article/hero/CURRY%204%20DEFENDERS%20v2.jpg

If he played in 90's which

Zone defense is illegal
Teams do not tend to switch after screens
Bigs are mostly not good on perimeter defence

He could score 40ppg, just calling screens and shooting threes all game.

However, they could probably change rules to stop him.

Steph seems to stop himself just fine in the Finals

[000]

Exhibit A of why sometimes I just can't be bothered.

Nothing but facts in my post. LeSoft cant fill juwan Howard or Sean elliot's shoes.

[Phoenix]

Nothing but facts in my post. LeSoft cant fill juwan Howard or Sean elliot's shoes.

Ok.

[hiphopanonymous]

Thank you. Steph is an even better shooting Reggie except he also has elite ballhandling/playmaking skills and actually WANTS to kill you. I've seen enough 13 shot nights from Reggie to laugh at the idea that Steph, who has a scorers mindset, is barely dropping 19ppg in the 90s( which is basically what Reggie was averaging).

Or as you said, if he's actually coming along in the 90s and not just 'plucked' from the current era his skillset will probably be more in line with the era. Remember, his father was a great shooter back then. Maybe Steph is something like that but with better handles. All of these 'player X in another era' arguments have so many factors to consider.
I'm not convinced Steph is Steph without his posse of moving screen setters and hands-off defenders (both on and off ball) though, nor his "clear landing space" rules. I'm definitely not convinced a "drop him in with his current muscle memory" situation is going to be as otherworldly as people think other than possessions he evades all of these scenarios he directly benefits from those which are plentiful in today's game. I think his shooting would be amazing - but would be able to be displayed less often than people think because all they see him in is today's context where he is tailor made to shine. How much would these contextual differences matter? Not exactly sure but dubious to say "40 a game!" for sure. Shit might cap out at 20-25 for all you know as he gets bounced around without illegal screens and hands shoving him off balance more often than he's accustomed to I mean he's built like a muppet so his game is definitely best suited to not being pushed around. Hard to make deep shots when you aren't perfectly balanced. Rules make a difference.

[Phoenix]

I'm not convinced Steph is Steph without his posse of moving screen setters and hands-off defenders (both on and off ball) though, nor his "clear landing space" rules. I'm definitely not convinced a "drop him in with his current muscle memory" situation is going to be as otherworldly as people think other than possessions he evades all of these scenarios he directly benefits from those which are plentiful in today's game. I think his shooting would be amazing - but would be able to be displayed less often than people think because all they see him in is today's context where he is tailor made to shine. How much would these contextual differences matter? Not exactly sure but dubious to say "40 a game!" for sure. Shit might cap out at 20-25 for all you know as he gets bounced around without illegal screens and hands shoving him off balance more often than he's accustomed to I mean he's built like a muppet so his game is definitely best suited to not being pushed around. Hard to make deep shots when you aren't perfectly balanced. Rules make a difference.

Let's put this way, when you look at someone like Mark Price being first team all-nba in 1993.....where would you scale Steph based on that? Bear in mind, a player that can shoot 40% from 30 feet with volume is going to have any defense stretched out more than they were used to back then. I'm not even arguing that he's THIS guy in the 90's, but 19ppg? Bullshit.

[Bronbron23]

We see with the more physical rule that season that losers like James Harden are reduced to 16ppg.

I always said that Curry, Lebron, Harden etc would struggle to score 20ppg in the 90s.

Very few of the modern scorers would hit 25ppg in the 90s.

Embiid, AD, KAT, Zion, they would.

Which guards?

Luka, yes for sure, has the post game, has the moves.

I think Klay has a better chance of scoring 20ppg than either of those mentioned.

Ok, if we went back to the 90s, I could see something like this:

Joel Embiid - 28 ppg
Luka Doncic - 27 ppg
AD - 27ppg
Zion - 25ppg
KAT - 24ppg
---
Curry 19ppg
Lebron 18ppg
Harden 16ppg (off the bench)

Are we talking throw this crop in with the 90's group and they're all competing with and against each other or are we talking this crop basically with 90's rules and play style?

[j3lademaster]

I'm not convinced Steph is Steph without his posse of moving screen setters and hands-off defenders (both on and off ball) though, nor his "clear landing space" rules. I'm definitely not convinced a "drop him in with his current muscle memory" situation is going to be as otherworldly as people think other than possessions he evades all of these scenarios he directly benefits from those which are plentiful in today's game. I think his shooting would be amazing - but would be able to be displayed less often than people think because all they see him in is today's context where he is tailor made to shine. How much would these contextual differences matter? Not exactly sure but dubious to say "40 a game!" for sure. Shit might cap out at 20-25 for all you know as he gets bounced around without illegal screens and hands shoving him off balance more often than he's accustomed to I mean he's built like a muppet so his game is definitely best suited to not being pushed around. Hard to make deep shots when you aren't perfectly balanced. Rules make a difference.I'm going to borrow a clip I'm still ballin linked the other day:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB8rqvFNjYk

Notice the pnr's Dray runs with Steph have drastically more space than pnr's run with KD and Klay. That's Steph's gravity. Teams rather give Draymond an open lane to go 2 on 1 against the rim protector than give Steph an open 3, and coaches and GM's don't criticize the decision because the defense made the right move. Now imagine Steph running that with a big who actually has some semblence of finishing ability in the paint. Forget Drob or Hakeem, but even like an Otis Thorpe of a Horace Grant. Steph also has more advanced offball movement than Reggie. The 90's was better at guarding the paint, but they aren't as good as modern players at perimeter D. Reggie got plenty of calls on fouls on jumpshots, I don't know why people act like no one called fouls back then. 90% of Reggie's offense is predicated on getting screens, and the 90's had plenty of big guys who can do that for Steph. I can make an easy argument that Rick Mahorn, Dale Davis, Charles Oakley are much better at setting screens than Draymond. On half those clips Draymond's screen doesn't even make contact, the defenders double Curry as soon as a screen is in the vicinity because that's how scary he is.

Steph has had multiple 65% ts seasons on high 20's or 30 ppg. His best was an astonishing 67.5%. Steph is an unreal scorer and offensive impact.

[Baller789]

With current rules, opponents doing this to stop him:

https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/article/hero/CURRY%204%20DEFENDERS%20v2.jpg

If he played in 90's which

Zone defense is illegal
Teams do not tend to switch after screens
Bigs are mostly not good on perimeter defence

He could score 40ppg, just calling screens and shooting threes all game.

However, they could probably change rules to stop him.

Zone defense actually helps Steph because he's a shooter :oldlol:

And he's on the weaker side physically, he will get pushed around with hand checking. We already have seen Steph struggle when he gets roughed up.

They will also Bruce Bowen his legs, that would just be a regular foul, and it's bye bye weak ankles.

[pandiani17]

I am seeing that the thread is centered around Curry. To go to OP's statement, I agree with him that very few players would average over 25 PPG in the 90s, due to various reasons:

-Style of basketball. There were far less possessions, therefore, players would have less shots than nowadays.
-Less 3 pointers. Teams didn't shot nearly as many 3-point shots as today.
-Physicality. The game was much more physical. I think, for example, that Curry would spend a lot of time on the sidelines due to injuries.
-Packed frontcourts. Twenty years ago entering the zone was an adventure. There were none of these days "gimme" baskets.

Likewise, I think that if you put Kobe, T-Mac, Jordan, Iverson, etc. in the current league, their scoring average would increase substantially. And maybe moderm athletic PGs like Marbury, Baron Davis, Steve Francis, etc. would look like as good as Dame Lillard given the free light to shoot as many 3s as they want and without having to face the packed frontcourts of the past. And my favorite and most akward "What if...?" in this type of era-comparisons, what if Reggie Miller and Ray Allen played in the current era and were allowed to shoot 15 threes a game? Would they be league MVP? I suppose that their high-level performance would increase if given green light to exploit their biggest strength in offense.

[Baller789]

I would love to see prime Mitch Richmond, Steve Smith, Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Chris Mullin and Ray Allen in this era.

These guys could arguably averege over 25ppg as the main guy.

[pandiani17]

I would love to see prime Mitch Richmond, Steve Smith, Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Chris Mullin and Ray Allen in this era.

These guys could arguably averege over 25ppg as the main guy.

I sometimes wonder how would these 3-point shooting specialists do in todays' era.

[Baller789]

I sometimes wonder how would these 3-point shooting specialists do in todays' era.

Well most of those guys are much more than shooting specialists.

Reggie Miller can take advantage of moving screens, soft fouls and flopping? Gud Gawd almighty!