Was Isiah Thomas MJ’s toughest comp?

[GrayGoat]

What we know: MJ has a losing record vs him. That would be like Derrick Rose beating the shit out of LeBron. :biggums::biggums::biggums:

[BigShotBob]

Isiah Thomas is far superior than Derrick Rose

[GrayGoat]

Isiah Thomas is far superior than Derrick Rose
MVP’s:
Isiah Thomas 0
Derrick Rose 1

[Round Mound]

Hakeem

[SouBeachTalents]

Hakeem
:whatever: Really gonna name a guy he never even faced in the postseason

[RRR3]

Hakeem
LeBron’s toughest competition was Shaq by this logic.

[2much_knowledge]

No. As a team, then yes. The team as a unit

Piston team only ones who can claim sending home Jordan, Bird, kareem and magic

[John_Connor]

didn't kobe drop like 35 on MJ at age 19 then retire his ass with 50 at half time or something lmao

[SouBeachTalents]

No. As a team, then yes. The team as a unit

Piston team only ones who can claim sending home Jordan, Bird, kareem and magic
Eh, Magic missed most of the series & Kareem was 42. That talking point gets really overrated imo

[BigShotBob]

MVP’s:
Isiah Thomas 0
Derrick Rose 1

Steve Nash > Derrick Rose

[SATAN]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/RbikaKtmeptWOZ7F5v4OfA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY5NC44NTcxNDI4NT cxNDI5/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-images/2020-05/d717fd40-8e21-11ea-aa2e-e5ddcd2d4ab0

:bowdown:

[TheGoatest]

:whatever: Really gonna name a guy he never even faced in the postseason

If you subtract the two seasons Hakeem won, aka when Jordan QUIT and WASN'T there to face Hakeem... and if you subtract Hakeem's regular season/playoff accomplishments in those two seasons, then Hakeem wasn't even a top 20 player of all time. Which effectively means that Jordan didn't face a single top 20 player of all time in their prime throughout the 90s.

It really is insane how weak the competition in the 90s was after Magic/Bird/Isiah got washed/retired, and if you subtract Hakeem's 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. Especially if you consider that Jordan had the universally recognized 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s on his own team. You know those weak years when crap movies like Crash and The English Patient win at the Oscars due to crap competition? That was Jordan's competition throughout the 90s, except every year.

[j3lademaster]

If you subtract the two seasons Hakeem won, aka when Jordan QUIT and WASN'T there to face Hakeem... and if you subtract Hakeem's regular season/playoff accomplishments in those two seasons, then Hakeem wasn't even a top 20 player of all time. Which effectively means that Jordan didn't face a single top 20 player of all time in their prime throughout the 90s.

It really is insane how weak the competition in the 90s was after Magic/Bird/Isiah got washed/retired, and if you subtract Hakeem's 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. Especially if you consider that Jordan had the universally recognized 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s on his own team. You know those weak years when crap movies like Crash and The English Patient win at the Oscars due to crap competition? That was Jordan's competition throughout the 90s, except every year.you can’t just take a player’s 2 best seasons away, that is extremely silly logic. And Shaq is also a top 10 all timer, along with backend prime of Magic in 91. MJ has had by far more top all time talent from when he played. And yes Lebron era players still have time, this is something we’d have to revisit 10-15 years down the line to be a fair comparison, but using this as an argument against MJ in a MJ vs Lebron debate is a bad approach.

[Phoenix]

didn't kobe drop like 35 on MJ at age 19 then retire his ass with 50 at half time or something lmao

No Kenny. He dropped 33 on the Bulls bench with like 8 points on MJ, and 55 on Jerry Stackhouse.

Isn't Lebron 16-6 and a top 3 player, while Kobe is fighting it out to still be considered top 10?

[TheGoatest]

you can’t just take a player’s 2 best seasons away, that is extremely silly logic. And Shaq is also a top 10 all timer, along with backend prime of Magic in 91. MJ has had by far more top all time talent from when he played. And yes Lebron era players still have time, this is something we’d have to revisit 10-15 years down the line to be a fair comparison, but using this as an argument against MJ in a MJ vs Lebron debate is a bad approach.

I'm not taking those two years away from Hakeem. I'm just pointing out the rock-solid fact that Jordan wasn't there to face Hakeem during those two years, and because of this "Hakeem in his prime" shouldn't really count as Jordan's competition.

[000]

Steve Nash > Derrick Rose
Yes

[Lakers Legend#32]

Zeke was just a pr!ck.

[hateraid]

What we know: MJ has a losing record vs him. That would be like Derrick Rose beating the shit out of LeBron. :biggums::biggums::biggums:

TBF, Joe Dumars got the best of him

[getting_old]

Eh, Magic missed most of the series & Kareem was 42. That talking point gets really overrated imo


Byron Scott was out the whole series

[Axe]

If you subtract the two seasons Hakeem won, aka when Jordan QUIT and WASN'T there to face Hakeem... and if you subtract Hakeem's regular season/playoff accomplishments in those two seasons, then Hakeem wasn't even a top 20 player of all time. Which effectively means that Jordan didn't face a single top 20 player of all time in their prime throughout the 90s.

It really is insane how weak the competition in the 90s was after Magic/Bird/Isiah got washed/retired, and if you subtract Hakeem's 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. Especially if you consider that Jordan had the universally recognized 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s on his own team. You know those weak years when crap movies like Crash and The English Patient win at the Oscars due to crap competition? That was Jordan's competition throughout the 90s, except every year.
Lol you sound like a whiny bitch whenever the topic is about michael jordan or anything that has to do with him.

[3ba11]

If you subtract the two seasons Hakeem won, aka when Jordan QUIT and WASN'T there to face Hakeem... and if you subtract Hakeem's regular season/playoff accomplishments in those two seasons, then Hakeem wasn't even a top 20 player of all time. Which effectively means that Jordan didn't face a single top 20 player of all time in their prime throughout the 90s.

It really is insane how weak the competition in the 90s was after Magic/Bird/Isiah got washed/retired, and if you subtract Hakeem's 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. Especially if you consider that Jordan had the universally recognized 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s on his own team. You know those weak years when crap movies like Crash and The English Patient win at the Oscars due to crap competition? That was Jordan's competition throughout the 90s, except every year.


Isn't it weird how Hakeem suddenly revealed himself and rose to top when MJ retired?

No warning - before 1994, no one was saying "hakeem is #2 behind MJ".. it naturally revealed itself after the top dog was gone.

But how did that transition/realization take place?.. It's almost like his teammates and others in the league looked around as the season wore on, and it eventually dawned on everyone - "with no Michael around, that tall Nigerian man looks like the best player"..

once this realization happened, Hakeem started to assume the role - he started playing at a level we'd never seen before - a confidence - that we'd never seen... his usage reached unprecedented personal highs.. It's almost like a lion that realizes he's now king.

It raises an interesting question - would lebron similarly "disappear" into the background like Hakeem if MJ was still around?.. in reality, people rarely debate who is #2, so it shouldn't be a surprise that no one really saw it coming with Hakeem

Stephen A. talks about this "king of the hill" effect:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dtsA3L3p49w

[3ba11]

If you subtract the two seasons Hakeem won, aka when Jordan QUIT and WASN'T there to face Hakeem... and if you subtract Hakeem's regular season/playoff accomplishments in those two seasons, then Hakeem wasn't even a top 20 player of all time. Which effectively means that Jordan didn't face a single top 20 player of all time in their prime throughout the 90s.

It really is insane how weak the competition in the 90s was after Magic/Bird/Isiah got washed/retired, and if you subtract Hakeem's 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. Especially if you consider that Jordan had the universally recognized 2nd best perimeter player of the 90s on his own team. You know those weak years when crap movies like Crash and The English Patient win at the Oscars due to crap competition? That was Jordan's competition throughout the 90s, except every year.


Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991 when MJ destroyed him... MJ also destroyed Shaq, who is considered a top 10 player by most.

Magic and Shaq > anyone Lebron ever faced.

Jordan also beat other top 20 guys like Malone or Ewing