Tell me why Ron Artest isn't a hofer if Pippen is

[CurryOverLebron]

Well

[JohnMax]

I love Artest but Pippen is better at nearly everything though I do think Artest is arguably the 2nd best defensive SF

Pippen 1989-1998
19.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 5.9 apg, 2.3 spg, 1 bpg, 48/33/70 shooting

Artest 2001-2010
16.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2 spg, 0.6 bpg, 43/35/72 shooting

[TheGoatest]

Ron Artest was a very good player, but Pippen could do everything Artest was good at even better. And then there was the passing/running aspect of it, which Artest couldn't really do at all, whereas Pippen could and could on a high level.

[ImKobe]

What is there to argue for Ron? He had just one All-Star/All-NBA season. Just because he was on Pippen's level at his peak doesn't mean he deserves to be in the HOF. He set the league back with the Pistons brawl so even if he had been an All-Star/All-NBA player for 3-4 seasons and won 1 more title I doubt they'd have voted him in.

[Reggie43]

Artest was stronger and a better one on one defender. He might have been on Pippen's level if you take out the craziness but he would still lack the basketball iq and fundamentals on offense atleast.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jesus Christ this place makes the dumbest threads :lol

[000]

Right. If Pippen is a "hofer", how come Slava Medvedenko isnt one?

[Phoenix]

Even removing the championships

All-NBA
Pippen 7
Artest 1

All-defense
Pippen 10
Artest 4

all-star
Pippen 7
Artest 1

Artest does have the DPOY award, but Scottie was easily just as deserving in 95 and even if you want to argue he wasn't, the rest of his career shits all over Artest, again without factoring in titles.

[SouBeachTalents]

Even removing the championships

All-NBA
Pippen 7
Artest 1

All-defense
Pippen 10
Artest 4

all-star
Pippen 7
Artest 1

Artest does have the DPOY award, but Scottie was easily just as deserving in 95 and even if you want to argue he wasn't, the rest of his career shits all over Artest, again without factoring in titles.
Add Pippen finishing top 10 in MVP voting 5 times and Artest not getting a single vote in his entire career. Crazy though how Pippen made the HOF and Artest didn't :lol

[Phoenix]

Add Pippen finishing top 10 in MVP voting 5 times and Artest not getting a single vote in his entire career. Crazy though how Pippen made the HOF and Artest didn't :lol

:oldlol:

ISH never fails to disappoint.

[Sulico]

:oldlol:

ISH never fails to disappoint.

3ball's nonstop barrage of Pippen-bashing crap gets in some people's head it seems. Especially people who knows little about history of NBA.

[HylianNightmare]

Maybe Ron artest III

[Phoenix]

3ball's nonstop barrage of Pippen-bashing crap gets in some people's head it seems. Especially people who knows little about history of NBA.

Perhaps, but even though Scotties heyday was 25 years ago, there's too much footage out there for even the younger crowd to not be 'reasonably' informed. We're not talking about guys from the 60s/70s who would be known to a select few on this forum, and didn't have nearly as much decent footage available.

[Full Court]

This thread would have made more sense if OP would have used Tony Kukoc instead of Pippen.

[nayte]

Ron would win the fight if that's the hof we are talking about otherwise this thread is crazy

[Real Men Wear Green]

No, I will not.

[imdaman99]

CurryOverLebron? What were you thinking when you made that name?

Oh wait I can't talk, picked my yahoo pool name that I used from 18 years back :lol

[Sulico]

CurryOverLebron? What were you thinking when you made that name?

Oh wait I can't talk, picked my yahoo pool name that I used from 18 years back :lol

What's wrong with the name? He joined forum in 2015. Curry and Lebron met 4 times since 2015 and Curry is 3-1.

[ShawkFactory]

Idk.

But I do know that on Pardon My Take last week Metta ranked the toughest guys he ever had to guard. Jordan was #1 and he said Lebron and Kobe were tied after that.

[tpols]

Ron Artest was a very good player, but Pippen could do everything Artest was good at even better. And then there was the passing/running aspect of it, which Artest couldn't really do at all, whereas Pippen could and could on a high level.

This is true but Pippen was definitely softer than Ron artest. Not really a diss though since almost everyone was. But I could see artest pulling an x-man and scaring / out playing him in a series but not overall against the whole field of teams.

[meat]

I have nothing to say. Have enough people laughed at OP yet?

[JohnMax]

One of the two has embarrassed the league, the other one is in hof

[WhiteKyrie]

This is true but Pippen was definitely softer than Ron artest. Not really a diss though since almost everyone was. But I could see artest pulling an x-man and scaring / out playing him in a series but not overall against the whole field of teams.

Very much agree.

[3ba11]

Add Pippen finishing top 10 in MVP voting 5 times and Artest not getting a single vote in his entire career. Crazy though how Pippen made the HOF and Artest didn't :lol


Pippen was inflated by the winning spotlight and was never worth 7x All-NBA or top 10 MVP no matter what the voting said - he played with the most production help ever (Jordan), so how can he get MVP votes?..

Kyrie got no MVP votes despite being equal-scoring partner to Lebron from 2015-2017, yet Pippen gets them for achieving 13' Wade stats in his prime?... :biggums:

Did Wade get MVP votes while getting Pippen stats in 13' and 14'? Did Kyrie get votes for being equal-scoring partner with Lebron?

It's called winning spotlight inflation and association with the goat.. Heck, even Kobe got a bunch of all-defense based on his association with MJ

[Axe]

No, I will not.
:roll:

[Axe]

This is true but Pippen was definitely softer than Ron artest. Not really a diss though since almost everyone was. But I could see artest pulling an x-man and scaring / out playing him in a series but not overall against the whole field of teams.
MWP also carried kobe to the finals in 2010. The lakers don't win that one without him.

[getting_old]

MWP also carried kobe to the finals in 2010. The lakers don't win that one without him.


Maybe a posthumous enshrinement, they may not be thrilled to give him an induction speech (like Pete Rose...)

MWP was great that series, I don't he had a clue what the situation was during "that shot".

[ImKobe]

MWP also carried kobe to the finals in 2010. The lakers don't win that one without him.

Maybe if he hadn't gone 1 - 8 to start the game, they wouldn't have needed a Kobe Assist to win it?

[tpols]

MWP also carried kobe to the finals in 2010. The lakers don't win that one without him.

Metta had his best performance in the Finals, not on the way to it.

And the game 7 shot he hit was a pass from Kobe out of a 25 foot double team.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YellowishWealthyKoodoo-max-1mb.gif

Sheed stunted on Kobe, and Rons man had to duck a bit into the paint to compensate.

[chefcurry]

come on now. resumes speak for themselves.

[SaintzFury13]

I love Artest but Pippen is better at nearly everything though I do think Artest is arguably the 2nd best defensive SF

Pippen 1989-1998
19.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 5.9 apg, 2.3 spg, 1 bpg, 48/33/70 shooting

Artest 2001-2010
16.5 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2 spg, 0.6 bpg, 43/35/72 shooting

Meh, calling Artest the second best defensive SF is a stretch. Hell I don't even know if I'd put him in the top 5. By 2007 he was already showing cracks within the foundation. By 2009 he was struggling to guard star players. Hell, he struggled to guard Paul Pierce in the 2010 finals to the point where Kobe demanded to be put on him instead (and just for comparison, this is the same guy LeBron was able to shut down two series prior with ease). I think if we're talking the top five greatest defensive SF's ever, it's gotta be (in no order) Pippen, Leonard, Havlicek, Bobby Jones and Bowen. Artest belongs in the honorable mention conversation along with guys like LeBron, Marion, Sanders and Iguodala.

[Reggie43]

Artest would have been a Hof'er if he had a longer prime/peak. The craziness overshadowing how good and talented he really was also didnt help obviously.

Ron and Pierce has had their share of battles with each of them outplaying one another but the year Artest won Dpoy he absolutely destroyed Pierce in the playoffs defensively holding him to 34%fg shooting, 29%3p with a whopping 6.25 turnovers per game in a four games sweep.

Ron at his peak truly was one of the scariest perimeter defenders ever

[dankok8]

Meh, calling Artest the second best defensive SF is a stretch. Hell I don't even know if I'd put him in the top 5. By 2007 he was already showing cracks within the foundation. By 2009 he was struggling to guard star players. Hell, he struggled to guard Paul Pierce in the 2010 finals to the point where Kobe demanded to be put on him instead (and just for comparison, this is the same guy LeBron was able to shut down two series prior with ease). I think if we're talking the top five greatest defensive SF's ever, it's gotta be (in no order) Pippen, Leonard, Havlicek, Bobby Jones and Bowen. Artest belongs in the honorable mention conversation along with guys like LeBron, Marion, Sanders and Iguodala.

Rodman with the Bad Boys was also an SF.

Artest probably misses out on the top 5 because those other guys you mentioned did it longer. The competition is very stiff. I made an Artest vs. Iggy thread not too long ago and it produced a good debate. I do think Artest at his peak has a case at the very top. He was unreal. Obviously he was nowhere near Pippen as an overall basketball player.