3ball, how do you have Giannis as top 5 all time? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:29 PM

This guy has been caught trashing Giannis during the season he ends up winning it and literally pretends he doesn't read the posts anymore.

https://c.tenor.com/fWg9gm1CrdYAAAAM/lebron-james-crying.gif

Unlike Lebron, Giannis proved me wrong.. He shut me up... so all hail Giannis, while Lebron continues to prove me right - it's funny how you can't do this with my lebron posts, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON POINT... :dancin:

8Ball

11-01-2021, 08:30 PM

OCT 27 2021:

I have KD in my top 5 all-time

MJ
Kobe
Bird
KD
Giannis

NOV 1 2021 5 days later:

.

Parameters for top 5 all-time:

1) No team-hoppers - must know how to WIN (organic)

2) No ball-dominators or centers because these 1-dimensional styles need super-teams or goat help to win

Conclusion: the top 5 all-time players in order are MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kawhi, Giannis

hold this L

11-01-2021, 08:30 PM

Unlike Lebron, Giannis proved me wrong.. He shut me up... so all hail Giannis, while Lebron continues to prove me right - it's funny how you can't do this with my lebron posts, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON POINT... :dancin:

So Giannis went from a completely trash player to a top 5 player of all time in 6 months? Do you realize how mentally insane you sound right now?

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:31 PM

i don't think i could put anyone from this era in my top 10 no matter what they do. giannis is great for not ring chasing and compared to other losers from this era that got their rings from colluding super teams together. but you can't compare it to a real ring from a real era

i think last year was a shortened season as well. so its automatically voided.

giannis's 1 ring is more impressive than any of durants or lebrons and its slightly ahead of kawhi's whos is also impressive for this era

but both came in an era where you couldn't breathe on a guy and you had to let them just walk to the rim or shoot wide open. you can't foul them hard or impede their progress

if either guy can win another one after the newest rule changes that actually allow defense then maybe i could put one of them on hakeems level. MAYBE

8Ball

11-01-2021, 08:32 PM

hold this L

11-01-2021, 08:33 PM

I missed that he put Kawhi on there. Someone call 911 and send this man to an asylum.

:biggums:

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:36 PM

I missed that he put Kawhi on there. Someone call 911 and send this man to an asylum.

:biggums:

Kawhi might be a bit premature to put in the top 5, so maybe the criteria can only apply to the top 4, aka Mount Rushmore... Mount Rushmore has no team-hoppers, centers or ball-dominators, aka MJ, Kobe, Bird, Giannis... I still like putting Kawhi in there though because he's close enough - a couple more healthy season and a 3rd chip will prove me right again

Regardless, the criteria is solid - no team-hoppers, centers or ball-dominators in the top 5... No team-hoppers because they only know how to team-hop, and don't know how to WIN (organic)... And no ball-dominators or centers because these 1-dimensional styles need super-teams or goat help to win

8Ball

11-01-2021, 08:36 PM

I missed that he put Kawhi on there. Someone call 911 and send this man to an asylum.

:biggums:

He said "no team hoping" and forgot that KD did the biggest team hop of all time so he had to remove KD and throw someone in last minute.

https://c.tenor.com/c8irZ4NVCxAAAAAd/stephen-curry-laughing.gif

hold this L

11-01-2021, 08:41 PM

He said "no team hoping" and forgot that KD did the biggest team hop of all time so he had to remove KD and throw someone in last minute.

https://c.tenor.com/c8irZ4NVCxAAAAAd/stephen-curry-laughing.gif
Also says that while trying to put the non-team hopper who straight up decided not to play for his team, Kawhi.

https://c.tenor.com/fWg9gm1CrdYAAAAd/lebron-james-crying.gif

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:42 PM

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 08:43 PM

8Ball

11-01-2021, 08:44 PM

Also says that while trying to put the non-team hopper who straight up decided not to play for his team, Kawhi.

https://c.tenor.com/fWg9gm1CrdYAAAAd/lebron-james-crying.gif

NO TEAM HOPPING, meanwhile Kawhi:

https://i.ibb.co/pvdtm30/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-8-43-53-PM.png

1987_Lakers

11-01-2021, 08:45 PM

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:45 PM

i'd replace KD with Hakeem and Kawhi with Duncan

- Michael Jordan
- (Myself) Kobe Bryant
- Larry Legend
- Tim Duncan
- Hakeem Olajuwon

thats the 5 i would go with in terms of respect all time for doing it the right way and dominating without needing all time sidekicks to be great

giannis would be 6th if he can win again under the new rules

This is actually viable because despite being centers (duncan, hakeem), they didn't need much help to win compared to Shaq or Kareem, who needed insane help

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:46 PM

Kobe's not even top 10. And why shouldn't Kareem be top 5?

kareem needed all time superstar talent beside him to win. he never won a ring like me, jordan, hakeem, duncan etc..

he was a big loser in the 70s with the lakers before magic came along

1987_Lakers

11-01-2021, 08:48 PM

This is actually viable because despite being centers (duncan, hakeem), they didn't need much help to win compared to Shaq or Kareem, who needed insane help

Shaq won a title by himself in 2000 and by your logic why have Bird top 5 if he also needed insane help?

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:49 PM

This doesn't make any sense, Hakeem won back to back rings with less help than MJ.

In 1995, Horry averaged 18/10 on 55% in the Finals... So Hakeem had Scottie Pippen at 3rd option and still had Drexler at 2nd option!!

That's why I believe the 95' Rockets would've beaten the Bulls

Otoh, the 94' Rockets were a joke and it was a fluke year because of MJ retiring.. Ewing almost beat them with 18 on 35%, so they stand zero chance against MJ

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:50 PM

Shaq won a title by himself in 2000 and by your logic why have Bird top 5 if he also needed insane help?

ahem...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt7Lq4eCYAAaSUy.jpg

1987_Lakers

11-01-2021, 08:51 PM

ahem...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt7Lq4eCYAAaSUy.jpg

ahem...

16 ppg on 37 fg% in the Finals.

Carry job.

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:52 PM

Shaq won a title by himself in 2000 and by your logic why have Bird top 5 if he also needed insane help?

Shaq had Kobe, who was a boss in 2000 despite a bad series against the Pacers (facing HOF Reggie Miller for the first time)

And unlike Magic, Bird beat better comp, aka Bird has famous upsets on his resume, which justifies the help he had.. Who cares about Bird's teammates when he's turning Magic Johnson into Tragic Johnson and destroying his super-team in 7 games with sexy stats.. Show me where Lebron defeated more talent like Bird did in 1984

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:53 PM

ahem...

16 ppg on 37 fg% in the Finals.

Carry job.

if you have to keep counting my 2 point injury game to lower my average then you're only admitting you're shook

its like steve saying i missed the playoffs in 2013. didn't you say something like that earlier today. you're shook as fook boiiii

:lol

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:55 PM

Shaq had Kobe, who was a boss in 2000 despite a bad series against the Pacers (facing HOF Reggie Miller for the first time)

And unlike Magic, Bird beat better comp, aka Bird has famous upsets on his resume, which justifies the help he had.. Who cares about Bird's teammates when he's turning Magic Johnson into Tragic Johnson and destroying his super-team in 7 games with sexy stats..

i admit i had a bad series due to an injured ankle but i did save us in game 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdhzK-ud3U&ab_channel=sburkha3

pacers win game 5 and go up 3 games to 2 if not for my heroics

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 08:56 PM

if you have to keep counting my 2 point injury game to lower my average then you're only admitting you're shook

its like steve saying i missed the playoffs in 2013. didn't you say something like that earlier today. you're shook as fook boiiii

:lol
Pretty amazing though Kobe scored 2 points and the Lakers still won a Finals game.

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 08:59 PM

Pretty amazing though Kobe scored 2 points and the Lakers still won a Finals game.

its amazing. its almost like we had these 2 former allstars each scoring 21 points

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/t_share/MTgwMTMyOTU1MzUyNDA5NDMy/ron-harper.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/glen-rice-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-during-a-national-basketball-picture-id628574792?s=612x612

3ba11

11-01-2021, 08:59 PM

i admit i had a bad series due to an injured ankle but i did save us in game 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdhzK-ud3U&ab_channel=sburkha3

pacers win game 5 and go up 3 games to 2 if not for my heroics

Mark Jackson says they would've beaten the Lakers in 7 games if Kobe hadn't saved the Lakers in Game 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsjDFeW9Gs

1987_Lakers

11-01-2021, 08:59 PM

i admit i had a bad series due to an injured ankle but i did save us in game 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdhzK-ud3U&ab_channel=sburkha3

pacers win game 5 and go up 3 games to 2 if not for my heroics

Kind of how Gasol & Artest saved Kobe vs Boston in game 7 after shooting 6-24?

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 09:01 PM

its amazing. its almost like we had these 2 former allstars each scoring 21 points

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/t_share/MTgwMTMyOTU1MzUyNDA5NDMy/ron-harper.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/glen-rice-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-during-a-national-basketball-picture-id628574792?s=612x612
Damn. Those two AND peak Shaq averaging nearly 40/20? Stacked AF

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 09:01 PM

Mark Jackson says they would've beaten the Lakers in 7 games if Kobe hadn't saved the Lakers in Game 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsjDFeW9Gs

probably. shaq can't be trusted under pressure

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 09:03 PM

Damn. Those two AND peak Shaq averaging nearly 40/20? Stacked AF

i wouldn't say stacked... 2 allstars and a few former ones sure doesn't beat this

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-lebron-james-and-ray-allen-of-the-miami-heat-picture-id152936408?s=612x612

especially when the 2 allstars and most recent former allstar all got there organically

as opposed to colluding like f*ggots

3ba11

11-01-2021, 09:06 PM

Kind of how Gasol & Artest saved Kobe vs Boston in game 7 after shooting 6-24?

24 shots is carrying the load - the other team must DEFEND those shots, which wears them down and the consistent volume establishes a nice offensive rebounding rhythm for the Lakers (23 to 8 advantage)

People think high volume and poor efficiency are bad for a team... but certain guys are good enough who control the game with their volume and the threat of their scoring ability.. I remember Jordan's first game against Duncan/Popovich - Pippen was out with injury, so MJ took 39 shots (only made 12) - Jordan's volume kept the Bulls close and spearheaded a massive edge on the offensive glass - then Jordan took over in the 4th and OT to win the game.

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 09:07 PM

i wouldn't say stacked... 2 allstars and a few former ones sure doesn't beat this

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-lebron-james-and-ray-allen-of-the-miami-heat-picture-id152936408?s=612x612

especially when the 2 allstars and most recent former allstar all got there organically
2000 Shaq averaged more playoff ppg than 2013 Wade & Bosh combined. He also averaged as many points in the 2000 Finals than Wade/Bosh/Allen did combined in the 2014 Finals.

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 09:09 PM

Kind of how Gasol & Artest saved Kobe vs Boston in game 7 after shooting 6-24?

nope. i didn't foul out and miss the end... instead i stepped up at the end with this

2010 NBA finals Game 7:
3:09 left in 3rd - MY 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:21 left in 3rd - MY 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - MY pass to Odom for 2 point layup ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
8:46 left in 4th - MY 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
5:56 left in 4th - MY 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - MY 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - MY 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - MY 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - MY 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - MY assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - MY 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - MY 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - MY assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
1:01 left in 4th - MY assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - MY 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )

oh and again

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/19/rajon-rondo-just-figured-out-how-kobe-bryant-beat-the-boston-celtics-in-game-7-of-the-2010-nba-finals/

I just found out something about Kobe, what he did in the 2010 championship Game 7. How he broke the game down and figured out how to beat us. I can’t give you the insight on that, but I just found that out. Like, maybe 45 minutes ago. It kinda pissed me off a little bit. It’s part of it, but it’s craziness. It’s amazing how he thinks the game, and it’s fun to know that. - Rajon Rondo

you lose again.

:lol

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 09:17 PM

2000 Shaq averaged more playoff ppg than 2013 Wade & Bosh combined. He also averaged as many points in the 2000 Finals than Wade/Bosh/Allen did combined in the 2014 Finals.

well in the first round lebron only averaged 24ppg

ray allen was his 2nd banana for that series with 17ppg

it was a low scoring sweep vs milwaukee

then in the 2nd round lebron only averaged 23ppg in another mostly low scoring series vs chicago with bosh as the sidekick at 14ppg with 4 in double figures

then in the 3rd round another series where neither team broke 100 points in 5 games vs indiana with 4 guys again in double figures

and then finally vs the spurs ( their first real series where they had to score the ball ) wade was the 2nd option with 20ppg and 5 guys were averaging double figures

you see it wasn't lebrons lack of help. it was his lack of competition and depth

you lose again

:lol

3ba11

11-01-2021, 09:17 PM

2000 Shaq averaged more playoff ppg than 2013 Wade & Bosh combined. He also averaged as many points in the 2000 Finals than Wade/Bosh/Allen did combined in the 2014 Finals.

how many points does Shaq average in bron-ball?

You think Lebron/Shaq are getting 30 each like Kobe/Shaq in the 01-03' Playoffs (or close to 30)?

Lebron got NOTHING out of wade/bosh - going 2/4 including goat choke and record loss is the worst anyone can do with "not 6, not 7" help

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 09:19 PM

How many points does Shaq average in bron-ball?

You think Lebron/Shaq are getting 30 each like Kobe/Shaq in the 01-03' Playoffs (or close to 30)?

Lebron got NOTHING out of wade/bosh - going 2/4 including goat choke and record loss is the worst anyone can do with "not 6, not 7" help

we all saw what lebron turned shaq into lol

he went from this

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/08/GettyImages-84813312.jpg

to this

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3c0b41de-a088-4dca-84a5-7153fd77347e_1.ba1bbe6206e16eb514ab5f860da9af3d.jp eg?odnHeight=612&odnWidth=612&odnBg=FFFFFF

3ba11

11-01-2021, 09:26 PM

we all saw what lebron turned shaq into lol

he went from this

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/08/GettyImages-84813312.jpg

to this

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3c0b41de-a088-4dca-84a5-7153fd77347e_1.ba1bbe6206e16eb514ab5f860da9af3d.jp eg?odnHeight=612&odnWidth=612&odnBg=FFFFFF

^^^^ Shaq averaged 18/9 and won all-star MVP in 2009, but was reduced to 12/7 in bron-ball in 2010.

Btw, Wade led the Heat in scoring for the 2011 Playoffs, including 27 ppg in the Finals... Bosh was also killing it... Yet Lebron somehow lost with this.. He also lost with Kyrie averaging 29 in the 17' Finals - only Lebron's "your turn, my turn" approach with Kyrie could squander such a great performance

StrongLurk

11-01-2021, 09:38 PM

Imagine thinking threeball does anything but troll.

Every single one of his posts is a giant troll. Come on guys.

1987_Lakers

11-01-2021, 09:52 PM

nope. i didn't foul out and miss the end... instead i stepped up at the end with this

2010 NBA finals Game 7:
3:09 left in 3rd - MY 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:21 left in 3rd - MY 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - MY pass to Odom for 2 point layup ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
8:46 left in 4th - MY 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
5:56 left in 4th - MY 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - MY 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - MY 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - MY 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - MY 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - MY assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - MY 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - MY 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - MY assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
1:01 left in 4th - MY assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - MY 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )

oh and again

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/19/rajon-rondo-just-figured-out-how-kobe-bryant-beat-the-boston-celtics-in-game-7-of-the-2010-nba-finals/

you lose again.

:lol

You can be in denial all you want, Kobe's game 7 will always be remembered as the worst game 7 for a superstar player ever.

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 09:55 PM

You can be in denial all you want, Kobe's game 7 will always be remembered as the worst game 7 for a superstar player ever.
Kobe's Game 7 was awful, but Curry & Kawhi get the nod for that. Their 2 Game 7's were inarguably worse.

8Ball

11-01-2021, 10:44 PM

.

Parameters for top 5 all-time:

1) No team-hoppers - must know how to WIN (organic)

2) No ball-dominators or centers because these 1-dimensional styles need super-teams or goat help to win

Conclusion: the top 5 all-time players in order are MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kawhi, Giannis

Oh really?

My top 10 is mostly based on guys that learned to WIN (organic), with few exception:

1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Russell
5) Kareem

HBK_Kliq_2

11-01-2021, 11:08 PM

.

Parameters for top 5 all-time:

1) No team-hoppers - must know how to WIN (organic)

2) No ball-dominators or centers because these 1-dimensional styles need super-teams or goat help to win

Conclusion: the top 5 all-time players in order are MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kawhi, Giannis

That's a damn good list. Have you seen clippers this season? They just scored 14 points in the 1st quarter against the worst team in the league OKC.

Last season when kawhi was on the court, clippers had a 123 offensive rating. George can't anchor an offense worth a shit without kawhi, its like pippen without Jordan

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 11:13 PM

You can be in denial all you want, Kobe's game 7 will always be remembered as the worst game 7 for a superstar player ever.

everyone shot bad the first 3 quarters

it was one of the toughest defensive battles ever and the refs let everything go. theres a ton of times i could have gotten a call that would have made my shooting numbers look better

whats important is how you close. and well.. you'd think you would appreciate that kind of thing considering what ray allen and kyrie irving did for your guy

Kobe_Bryant

11-01-2021, 11:13 PM

Kobe's Game 7 was awful, but Curry & Kawhi get the nod for that. Their 2 Game 7's were inarguably worse.

you know whats worse than all of those game 7s

entire lebron series in 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2020 where he either got swept, shat the bed, got bailed out or won a bubble gum ring

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 11:16 PM

everyone shot bad the first 3 quarters

it was one of the toughest defensive battles ever and the refs let everything go. theres a ton of times i could have gotten a call that would have made my shooting numbers look better

whats important is how you close. and well.. you'd think you would appreciate that kind of thing considering what ray allen and kyrie irving did for your guy
What's hilarious is you've posted that Kobe Game 7 play by play literally hundreds of times, yet never mention what LeBron did in the 4th quarter of the games you mentioned.

SouBeachTalents

11-01-2021, 11:17 PM

you know whats worse than all of those game 7s

entire lebron series in 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2020 where he either got swept, shat the bed, got bailed out or won a bubble gum ring
Idk, LeBron's 2016 Finals were pretty good.

HBK_Kliq_2

11-01-2021, 11:17 PM

3ba11

11-02-2021, 12:04 AM

Idk, LeBron's 2016 Finals were pretty good.

Not really.

24 and 6 TO's thru 4 games.

Only after he heard Klay disrespected him and the team's alpha was suspended (dray), did Lebron feel bold enough to go for broke - he averaged 36 and 3 TO's for the last 3 games, which were jordan's averages for the 91-93' Finals.. he should've averaged 36 or 41, which would've won the series much easier, and Kyrie wouldn't need to be equal-scoring partner.

Ultimately, Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill and avoids contested jumpers - so he can't take a lot of defensive pressure and therefore needs an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and free him up

Kobe_Bryant

11-02-2021, 12:16 AM

What's hilarious is you've posted that Kobe Game 7 play by play literally hundreds of times, yet never mention what LeBron did in the 4th quarter of the games you mentioned.

what? lose or get bailed out?

I'm the one that put my team up for good

SouBeachTalents

11-02-2021, 12:17 AM

Not really.

24 and 6 TO's thru 4 games.

Only after he heard Klay disrespected him and the team's alpha was suspended (dray), did Lebron feel bold enough to go for broke - he averaged 36 and 3 TO's for the last 3 games, which were jordan's averages for the 91-93' Finals.. he should've averaged 36 or 41, which would've won the series much easier, and Kyrie wouldn't need to be equal-scoring partner.

Ultimately, Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill and avoids contested jumpers - so he can't take a lot of defensive pressure and therefore needs an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and free him up
:lol

These dudes are so deranged they can't even admit 2016 was a good series

Kobe_Bryant

11-02-2021, 12:18 AM

Idk, LeBron's 2016 Finals were pretty good.

yeah but he choked in the 4th quarter of game 7 missing his last 4 shots before the kyrie three. plus he got draymond suspended

so that voids whatever good things he did

and kyrie doubled lebrons scoring before the first 3 cavs wins became blow outs and lebron started running clock and stat padding

Pip' N Rodman

11-02-2021, 12:23 AM

yeah but he choked in the 4th quarter of game 7 missing his last 4 shots before the kyrie three. plus he got draymond suspended

so that voids whatever good things he did

and kyrie doubled lebrons scoring before the first 3 cavs wins became blow outs and lebron started running clock and stat padding

So what do you think about your 2010 ring when Artest bailed you out

3ba11

11-02-2021, 12:31 AM

:lol

These dudes are so deranged they can't even admit 2016 was a good series

It was a good series and Lebron played well... But goat-level?.... Really?.... So if Pippen went to the 93' Finals and destroyed MVP Barkley while KJ was suspended for the key game - Jordan would get credit for a goat accomplishment if this happened?...

It's just impossible since Jordan doesn't necessarily get goat credit for winning that series WITHOUT any of those things that Lebron had (equal-scoring partner and closer and key suspension)

Pip' N Rodman

11-02-2021, 12:35 AM

It was a good series and Lebron played well... But goat-level?.... Really?.... So if Pippen went to the 93' Finals and destroyed MVP Barkley while KJ was suspended for the key game - Jordan would get credit for a goat accomplishment if this happened?...

It's just impossible since Jordan doesn't necessarily get goat credit for winning that series WITHOUT any of those things that Lebron had (equal-scoring partner and closer and key suspension)

List the playoff series Jordan had with at least 10 rebounds and 8 assists..

Thats more than double Jordan's production in his 2nd 3 peat.. yikes :lol

3ba11

11-02-2021, 12:37 AM

List the playoff series Jordan had with at least 10 rebounds and 8 assists..

Thats more than double Jordan's production in his 2nd 3 peat.. yikes :lol

10 rebounds and 8 assists with equal-scoring partner doesn't compare to 9 rebounds and 6 assists while scoring 21 more than your sidekick (carry-job)

scoring is what determines if something is a carry-job, so Lebron never had a carry-job in the Finals, while Jordan had 6... for 6

Pip' N Rodman

11-02-2021, 12:39 AM

10 rebounds and 8 assists with equal-scoring partner doesn't compare to 9 rebounds and 6 assists while scoring 21 more than your sidekick (carry-job)

scoring is what determines if something is a carry-job, so Lebron never had a carry-job in the Finals, while Jordan had 6... for 6

What about 4 rebounds and 2 assists while shooting 43% from the field

3ba11

11-02-2021, 12:54 AM

What about 4 rebounds and 2 assists while shooting 43% from the field

Goat scoring and clutch allows delegation of the secondary categories:

* 19 ppg more than sidekick (carry-job)

* goat defense

* a record 30 clutch points (last 5 within 5) - MJ dropped a 30 piece in the clutch

* beat a top 5 SRS team with sidekick at 15.7 on 41% (carry-job)

Phoenix

11-02-2021, 02:19 AM

.

Parameters for top 5 all-time:

1) No team-hoppers - must know how to WIN (organic)

2) No ball-dominators or centers because these 1-dimensional styles need super-teams or goat help to win

Conclusion: the top 5 all-time players in order are MJ, Kobe, Bird, Kawhi, Giannis

Gotta love how 3nut creates these arbitrary parameters then fits players that meet that criteria. No way you can lose an argument when you're setting the rules of engagement.

Phoenix

11-02-2021, 02:21 AM

So Giannis went from a completely trash player to a top 5 player of all time in 6 months? Do you realize how mentally insane you sound right now?

No, he went from trash to a top 6 GOAT within a 2 week span. OP was trashing Giannis in the 2nd round. Three weeks later, top 6 GOAT. :oldlol:

Phoenix

11-02-2021, 02:25 AM

its amazing. its almost like we had these 2 former allstars each scoring 21 points

https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/t_share/MTgwMTMyOTU1MzUyNDA5NDMy/ron-harper.jpg

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/glen-rice-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-during-a-national-basketball-picture-id628574792?s=612x612

So basically Shaq and past prime Rice and Harper were good enough to win the 200 title. Kobe doing 16 on 37% made it harder for LA, would have been a sweep otherwise TBH.

HBK_Kliq_2

11-02-2021, 03:34 AM

Gotta love how 3nut creates these arbitrary parameters then fits players that meet that criteria. No way you can lose an argument when you're setting the rules of engagement.

3Ball has an excellent top 5 list, shut your mouth if you knew what was good for ya :pimp:

Phoenix

11-02-2021, 03:53 AM

3Ball has an excellent top 5 list, shut your mouth if you knew what was good for ya :pimp:

As opposed to keeping yours open for your daily ISH jizz fix. 2020's biggest Jizzrag :cheers:

000

11-02-2021, 04:05 AM

3Ball has an excellent top 5 list, shut your mouth if you knew what was good for ya :pimp:

you sure, I mean he barely put Kawhi at top 4, thats massive disrespect for such an accomplished player

Gohan

11-02-2021, 04:34 AM

000

11-02-2021, 04:36 AM

I no longer even respect you. Kawhi? Giannis? F outta hereright... giannis? where is iverson????????

GrayGoat

11-02-2021, 12:34 PM

right... giannis? where is iverson????????

3ball has no bounds. Don’t encourage him

Kobe_Bryant

11-02-2021, 12:44 PM

So basically Shaq and past prime Rice and Harper were good enough to win the 200 title. Kobe doing 16 on 37% made it harder for LA, would have been a sweep otherwise TBH.

no lol.. Shaq and past prime rice, harper and prime fox, horry with young fisher were good enough to lose in the wcf vs Portland since we all saw what happened in game 7

without me on that team scottie pippen wins a title without MJ

the Lakers don't even get as far as game 4 vs Indiana where I saved them then too

000

11-02-2021, 01:15 PM

3ball has no bounds. Don’t encourage him
Iverson controlled the game by taking an extraordinary amount of shot attempts, which controls the game better than anything else

People often criticise his inefficiency, but what they don't realise is that Iverson was a pure scorer who attracted defensive attention and freed up his teammates - people have to defend all those shots, which saps their energy and ability to respond on the other end, while Iverson's teams are always fresh and ready to go off - the best defense is a good offense, a tenet of any competition...

Also, Iverson was forced to average 33/5/6 in the 2001 Finals run, while no other teammate averaged more than 15... Iverson outscoring his teammates by 2.2x confirms that he carried them - Mutombo was a weak scorer, therefore a defensive role player, while McKie was an 8 ppg bum that Iverson elevated

Furthermore, 2001 Iverson faced tougher competition than 2007 LeBron to make the Finals - the Bucks were a 52-win team with superior talent to the Pistons, while the Raptors were much better than the .500 Nets

Then in the Finals Iverson faced Shaq/Kobe in the middle of a threepeat, while LeBron faced the tail end of the Spurs dynasty, yet despite that the 76ers won more games than the Cavaliers...

Accordingly, Iverson is better than LeBron - he is a far more active scorer, and his scoring style keeps the ball moving and contributes more to winning

3ba11

11-02-2021, 03:58 PM

Iverson controlled the game by taking an extraordinary amount of shot attempts, which controls the game better than anything else

People often criticise his inefficiency, but what they don't realise is that Iverson was a pure scorer who attracted defensive attention and freed up his teammates - people have to defend all those shots, which saps their energy and ability to respond on the other end, while Iverson's teams are always fresh and ready to go off - the best defense is a good offense, a tenet of any competition...

Also, Iverson was forced to average 33/5/6 in the 2001 Finals run, while no other teammate averaged more than 15... Iverson outscoring his teammates by 2.2x confirms that he carried them - Mutombo was a weak scorer, therefore a defensive role player, while McKie was an 8 ppg bum that Iverson elevated

Furthermore, 2001 Iverson faced tougher competition than 2007 LeBron to make the Finals - the Bucks were a 52-win team with superior talent to the Pistons, while the Raptors were much better than the .500 Nets

Then in the Finals Iverson faced Shaq/Kobe in the middle of a threepeat, while LeBron faced the tail end of the Spurs dynasty, yet despite that the 76ers won more games than the Cavaliers...

Accordingly, Iverson is better than LeBron - he is a far more active scorer, and his scoring style keeps the ball moving and contributes more to winning

Iverson was the original ball-dominator - he's one of the guys that Lebron learned from

So your analysis is wrong - Iverson and Lebron are both ball-dominators, except Lebron starts at forward, which creates a 2 point guard lineup for his teams (2 guys on the floor with a PG hold-time, aka Lebron/Kyrie or Lebron/Westbrook or Lebron/Mo)..

These 2 PG lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1-PG lineups, which results in low TEAM assists and a brand that mostly loses on the championship level

Indeed, the common thread in Lebron's Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists