3ball: “We’ll never know for sure who was better between Kobe or Jordan”

[RRR3]

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[8Ball]

Possibly true.

But since we know 100% LeBron > Kobe then we know Bron better than boff of em.

[3ba11]

Possibly true.

But since we know 100% LeBron > Kobe then we know Bron better than boff of em.


Lebron can't score quickly, so no... his slower scoring = weaker teammate fits and weaker strategy... And he can't take contested jumpers, which is one of the reasons he can't carry the scoring load like Kobe and always needs an equal-scoring teammate to win a Finals (or close to it)

So he's a kindergartner scorer compared to Kobe's master class

Can you imagine Lebron trying to play in the triangle - he would literally walk out of practice and probably sit out until the coach got fired... all because he lacks the skill to make it work like MJ/Kobe did

[coastalmarker99]

Kobe was never better than Jordan.

These are the career stats of Kobe who played a very long time.

But are they really the stats of a top-3 all-time player?

Stat: Rank:

WS: 16th

WS/48: 60

VORP: 12

BPM: 31

PER: 26

PTS: 4th

P/G: 13

TS%: 240

FGM: 6th

FGA missed: 1st

REB: 108

R/G: Not top 250

AST: 31

A/G: 151

[coastalmarker99]

Here are Kobe's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.

Game sevens

22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)



Elimination games

9 10 W-L record

22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)




Here are Jordan averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games



Game sevens

33.7 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

FG% 45.7% (Regular season career average is 49.7%)



Elimination games

5 7 W-L record

31.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.9 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

TS% 53.8% (Regular season career average is 56.9%)



Kobe has a shocking decline in game sevens and elimination games compared to other all-time greats so that may be one key reason on why he is usually not ranked as a top ten player of all time.


Also, another reason might be his finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%| 41 TS%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

[SouBeachTalents]

Here are Kobe's averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games.

Game sevens

22.2 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

8.0 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

5.0 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG% 38.9% (Regular season career average is 44.7%)

FT% 67.3%(Regular season career average is 83.7%)



Elimination games

9 10 W-L record

22.3 PPG (Regular season career average is 25.0 ppg)

5.8 RPG (Regular season career average is 5.2 rpg)

3.5 APG (Regular season career average is 4.7 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.5 BPG)

1.3 SPG (Regular season career average is 1.4 SPG)

FG 44.0%(Regular season career average is 44.7%)

TS% 50.3 (Regular season career average is 55.0%)




Here are Jordan averages across the board in-game sevens and elimination games



Game sevens

33.7 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.7 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.0 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.0 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

FG% 45.7% (Regular season career average is 49.7%)



Elimination games

5 7 W-L record

31.0 PPG (Regular season career average is 30.1 ppg)

7.9 RPG (Regular season career average is 6.2 rpg)

7.0 APG (Regular season career average is 5.3 APG)

1.3 BPG (Regular season career average is 0.8 BPG)

1.8 SPG (Regular season career average is 2.3 SPG)

TS% 53.8% (Regular season career average is 56.9%)



Kobe has a shocking decline in game sevens and elimination games compared to other all-time greats so that may be one key reason on why he is usually not ranked as a top ten player of all time.


Also, another reason might be his finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%| 41 TS%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%
What shouldn't be forgotten about Kobe's elimination games are when his team lost, they got massacred

2003: 28 point loss
2004: 13 point loss, trailed by 28 with 5 minutes to go
2006: 31 point loss
2007: 9 point loss
2008: 39 point loss
2011: 36 point loss
2012: 16 point loss

And with the exception of 2012, Kobe was absolute dogshit in virtually all of these games

[coastalmarker99]

What shouldn't be forgotten about Kobe's elimination games are when his team lost, they got massacred

2003: 28 point loss
2004: 13 point loss, trailed by 28 with 5 minutes to go
2006: 31 point loss
2007: 9 point loss
2008: 39 point loss
2011: 36 point loss
2012: 16 point loss

And with the exception of 2012, Kobe was absolute dogshit in virtually all of these games

That's just disgraceful to get blown out that many times in must-win games.

[3ba11]

It's respect for the dead and his greatness. That is all... I have no problem flip-flopping MJ and his clone once in a while for kicks.

if i had kobe at #7 or something, then it wouldn't make sense.. but to flip-flop 1 & 2 once in a while for kicks and to shout out the late Kobe, it's all good

[RRR3]

It's respect for the dead and his greatness. That is all... I have no problem flip-flopping MJ and his clone once in a while for kicks.

if i had kobe at #7 or something, then it wouldn't make sense.. but to flip-flop 1 & 2 once in a while for kicks and to shout out the late Kobe, it's all good

You had him 9th here. You don’t make any sense.

https://i.ibb.co/TcbyRnQ/CEB055-F0-E961-4-C0-B-81-B2-CB3-BB0-E487-BA.jpg


But earlier you had him 4th


https://i.ibb.co/2N39sZH/4-BDA5-A40-372-B-4-EF1-A5-CD-1-E3673946-B39.jpg



You make no sense.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

But we do know kawhi is better then Kobe

2014 > 2001

2019 > 2009

[ImKobe]

It's really close if we're just talking about their talent/skill level, career-wise it's not that close though. Jordan is untouchable compared to anyone and the only legitimate argument over him is Bill Russell if you want to talk about the impact they had on the league, even then MJ inspired more players and created more trends than anyone else.

[RRR3]

But we do know kawhi is better then Kobe

2014 > 2001

2019 > 2009
You can debate their peaks but he’s nowhere close to Kobe career wise and never will be. Also his 2014 ring is absolutely not worth more than Kobe’s 2001 ring wtf.

[Phoenix]

But we do know kawhi is better then Kobe

2014 > 2001

2019 > 2009

Stupid shit like this is why we know you're a gimmick account. Don't know whose alt, maybe a mods, but well played.

[Full Court]

Jordan's a clear #1, but no way Kobe is #2. He's fringe top 10 along with Lebron.

[GrayGoat]

Stupid shit like this is why we know you're a gimmick account. Don't know whose alt, maybe a mods, but well played.

Kobe played as well as he did because he was a 2nd option to Shaq. Give anyone Shaq and they ball out…

[hold this L]

Stupid shit like this is why we know you're a gimmick account. Don't know whose alt, maybe a mods, but well played.

Wouldn't be surprised if it is a mod to padd the post numbers on here.

[Bronbron23]

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For normal people with regular functioning brains we know this is true for all atg. Who knows what would have happened if kobe, mj, bron, wilt, magic, kareem, russell and whoever played together in the same era during their primes. The goat list is just rankings of who had the better career not who's necessarily the better player.

[999Guy]

Can someone explain Kobe’s amazing mentality and do two things, explain how it differs from Chris Paul, and then explain why that difference is actually a good one.

[97 bulls]

It's respect for the dead and his greatness. That is all... I have no problem flip-flopping MJ and his clone once in a while for kicks.

if i had kobe at #7 or something, then it wouldn't make sense.. but to flip-flop 1 & 2 once in a while for kicks and to shout out the late Kobe, it's all good

So the only reason you have Kobe so high is because he passed away?

[j3lademaster]

Jordan is better than Kobe in just about every objective measure. I think Kobe’s the most skilled player ever, but it doesn’t translate into more impact, which ultimately needs to be the measure of the better player. Otherwise, if we go by skill Jose Calderon is better than Shaq.

[RRR3]

For normal people with regular functioning brains we know this is true for all atg. Who knows what would have happened if kobe, mj, bron, wilt, magic, kareem, russell and whoever played together in the same era during their primes. The goat list is just rankings of who had the better career not who's necessarily the better player.
Yikes, imagine thinking Kobe and MJ are even comparable. Dumbdumb23 at it again.

[Bronbron23]

Yikes, imagine thinking Kobe and MJ are even comparable. Dumbdumb23 at it again.

Don't u have some dime bags to sell? Or are u sucking dick to pay for your kraft dinner now:oldlol:

[Axe]

Don't u have some dime bags to sell? Or are u sucking dick to pay for your kraft dinner now:oldlol:
:milton

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Just before Kobe retired, the majority of basketball fans were like 99.9% sure Mike was greater.

Ditto a better player at his peak and during his prime.

Nothing has changed since. The only 'argument' Kobe has over Jordan is a skilled one, but that doesn't always translate into effectiveness. Another aspect MJ had over Kobe.

Long story short, 3ball has tried and repeatedly failed to put Kobe/Mike in the same sentence. He simply cant.

[ELITEpower23]

Possibly true.

But since we know 100% LeBron > Kobe then we know Bron better than boff of em.



BANG!! :oldlol:

[3ba11]

Just before Kobe retired, the majority of basketball fans were like 99.9% sure Mike was greater.

Ditto a better player at his peak and during his prime.

Nothing has changed since. The only 'argument' Kobe has over Jordan is a skilled one, but that doesn't always translate into effectiveness. Another aspect MJ had over Kobe.

Long story short, 3ball has tried and repeatedly failed to put Kobe/Mike in the same sentence. He simply cant.


They averaged 30 and won in the triangle.. only their skillset could win in that offense

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They averaged 30 and won in the triangle.. only their skillset could win in that offense

Shaq did it too.

Speak up, Kobe fan.

[Phoenix]

Shaq did it too.

Speak up, Kobe fan.

With Kobe dropping 16ppg/37% in the final to boot.

But, it's classic 3ball. Set the arbitrary terms that only the player he wants to promote adhere to. It would be like me saying 'only Hakeem had the skillset to win with Otis Thorpe at Power Forward', so Hakeem is GOAT since he's the only one who adheres to the criteria I pulled from my ass.

[RRR3]

With Kobe dropping 16ppg/37% in the final to boot.

But, it's classic 3ball. Set the arbitrary terms that only the player he wants to promote adhere to. It would be like me saying 'only Hakeem had the skillset to win with Otis Thorpe at Power Forward', so Hakeem is GOAT since he's the only one who adheres to the criteria I pulled from my ass.
:roll:

[8Ball]

Wouldn't be surprised if it is a mod to padd the post numbers on here.

The mods allow him to troll to boost advertising dollars.

He's a facebook spam bot.

[Phoenix]

Wouldn't be surprised if it is a mod to padd the post numbers on here.

That's where I'm leaning, yep....