Pippen is the only so-called "top 75 player" that never dominated offensively

[3ba11]

And he's nowhere near the best defender on the list, so he's the only guy that made the list due strictly to ring count

Btw, Bill Russell led his team in scoring for a title run in 1962

[Phoenix]

https://i.ibb.co/VxTpWMg/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-10-25-58-AM.png

[SouBeachTalents]

https://i.ibb.co/VxTpWMg/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-10-25-58-AM.png
You need to add a screenshot of "He's a Pippen being carried by Middleton" that he made mid playoffs last year, 10 games before becoming a top 6 GOAT :lol

[8Ball]

https://i.ibb.co/VxTpWMg/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-10-25-58-AM.png

What is this?


Does it show 3ball has zero beliefs and is a piece of shit liar?


Yes it does.

[8Ball]

You need to add a screenshot of "He's a Pippen being carried by Middleton" that he made mid playoffs last year, 10 games before becoming a top 6 GOAT :lol

It took 4 ECF games vs Atlanta and 6 games vs Phoenix to go from Scottie Pippen to top 5 GOAT.

:roll:

[3ba11]

What is this?


Does it show 3ball has zero beliefs and is a piece of shit liar?


Yes it does.


It shows that Giannis did what Lebron never did - prove me wrong

I'm still waiting for you guys to post something like that for Lebron, but you can't because I've never been wrong about him - he's the biggest fraud in sports history

[Bankaii]

RS -
Pippen: 16 ppg on 50% eFG and 5 assists
Russell: 15 ppg on 44% eFG and 4 assists

PO -
Pippen: 18 ppg on 48% eFG and 5 assists
Russell: 16 ppg on 43% eFG and 5 assists

Pippen averaged more points on better efficiency (than a center lol).
Russell was also in an era where Wilt was averaging 50 ppg lmao.

Russell is ranked top 10 at worst, and top 5 by most.
Just stfu.

[Kblaze8855]

At a glance….about 7 people on the top 75 never scored 20 a game in any season but…whatever.

[3ba11]

At a glance….about 7 people on the top 75 never scored 20 a game in any season but…whatever.


In the playoffs?

better check again

And did these guys lead their team in scoring for a title run or have a dominant series on the big stage where they dominated offensively?

Again, Pippen is the only guy in the top 75 that never dominated offensively or led a title team in scoring, and he isn't anywhere near the best defender on the list, so he's the only guy that made the list due strictly to ring count

[000]

Did Wallace make it, I didnt check

[SouBeachTalents]

Walton's playoff peak: 18 & 6 on 53%TS
Pippen's playoff peak: 20 & 7 on 54%TS

Walton's peak series: 19 & 6 on 51%TS
Pippen's peak series: 24 & 7 on 63%TS

I could do this with several other players, but I thought it'd be funny and devastating to OP's case to use a guy who was an MVP & FMVP :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Walton was among the scoring leaders on a champion, while Pippen never was - you could run offense through Bill Walton and his offensive skills were far superior to Pippen's.. This isn't debatable and you look like a fool for comparing peak Walton to Pippen on offense or defense

The raw scoring numbers aren't enough - it's about whether you were a scoring leader on your team and the scoring skill you actually have... Walton was a guy that could dominate half-court offense, while Pippen was just a fast break guy.. night and day . Again, you sound clueless
This is why absolutely nobody should take 3ball seriously, he legitimately never knows what he's talking about. Walton wasn't the scoring leader on the Blazers in the regular season, playoffs, or ANY of their playoff series :lol

[eliteballer]

Pippin was a top 10 scorer in 1994..

[3ba11]

Walton's playoff peak: 18 & 6 on 53%TS
Pippen's playoff peak: 20 & 7 on 54%TS

Walton's peak series: 19 & 6 on 51%TS
Pippen's peak series: 24 & 7 on 63%TS

I could do this with several other players, but I thought it'd be funny and devastating to OP's case to use a guy who was an MVP & FMVP :lol


Peak Walton was far more dominant on both ends than Pippen, which is why he was a scoring leader on a champion and Pippen was just a 2nd option (and actually 5th or 6th option in the clutch and 4th quarter).. Walton's superior 2-way dominance is why he was an MVP/FMVP and Pippen was just a 2nd to6th option (depending on the time in the game)

I'm pretty sure that Phil picks peak Walton to take the last shot over Kukoc.. lol

[zeerghit]

https://i.ibb.co/VxTpWMg/Screen-Shot-2021-11-01-at-10-25-58-AM.png

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Peak Walton was far more dominant on both ends than Pippen, which is why he was a scoring leader on a champion and Pippen was just a 2nd option and actually 5th or 6th option in the clutch and 4th quarter.

I'm pretty sure that Phil picks peak Walton to take the last shot over Kukoc.. lol
Damn, he deleted his post and after being corrected on the facts STILL blatantly lied :lol

[3ba11]

Damn, he deleted his post and after being corrected on the facts STILL blatantly lied :lol


Nah you're reading comp is just really bad

Walton was a scoring leader for the champion Blazers, who had a 1a/1b/1c setup - otoh, Pippen never 1b-caliber player on a champion and was always a secondary player - never a "go-to" player.

So again, peak Walton was far more dominant on both ends than Pippen, which is why he was a MVP and a scoring leader on a champion, while Pippen was just a 2nd option and actually 5th or 6th option in the clutch and 4th quarter.

I'm pretty sure that Phil picks peak Walton to take the last shot over Kukoc.. lol

[Axe]

Pippen averaged more ppg in the 1991 finals than kobe did in the 2000 finals.

[3ba11]

Pippen averaged more ppg in the 1991 finals than kobe did in the 2000 finals.


Pippen had 2 non-horrible Finals (91' and 92') and 4 horrible ones

[Kblaze8855]

In the playoffs?

better check again

And did these guys lead their team in scoring for a title run or have a dominant series on the big stage where they dominated offensively?

Again, Pippen is the only guy in the top 75 that never dominated offensively or led a title team in scoring, and he isn't anywhere near the best defender on the list, so he's the only guy that made the list due strictly to ring count


That you are so obviously wrong in factual verifiable ways and tell me to check again is amazing.

You just aren’t good at this. You don’t know these things. You clearly don’t even read the basics about the things you discuss. Forget knowing anyone’s stats….you don’t know the list in question.

Dennis Rodman is on it. Wes Unseld. Jason Kidd. John Stockton. 3 of them won rings but none of those 3 scored even 10ppg in the playoffs when they did. Unseld was I’d estimate the 5th leading scorer on his title team in the finals.

You don’t really know much history but you know some of these people. You know Stockton was scoring like 10-12 points in the finals and was never scoring much. You know Kidd was doing no scoring on the Mavs. You know Rodman never scored period. Lots of players are in the top 75 for reasons aside from offense and Pippen isn’t close to the bottom of those players as a scorer.

If you’re gonna be obsessed enough to make 1500 topics with only 2-3 themes be obsessed enough to research the basics of your claims.

Not knowing shit about Nate Thurmond is one thing. Rodman, Stockton, and so on? Modern players?

No excuse for forgetting them.

[GrayGoat]

3ball might have started out as a gimmick troll account as a joke but jokes don’t last 10 years. It’s mental illness at this point

[Baller789]

3ball might have started out as a gimmick troll account as a joke but jokes don’t last 10 years. It’s mental illness at this point
And what do you call those who keep debating a mentally ill person?

[Shogon]

That you are so obviously wrong in factual verifiable ways and tell me to check again is amazing.

You just aren’t good at this. You don’t know these things. You clearly don’t even read the basics about the things you discuss. Forget knowing anyone’s stats….you don’t know the list in question.

Dennis Rodman is on it. Wes Unseld. Jason Kidd. John Stockton. 3 of them won rings but none of those 3 scored even 10ppg in the playoffs when they did. Unseld was I’d estimate the 5th leading scorer on his title team in the finals.

You don’t really know much history but you know some of these people. You know Stockton was scoring like 10-12 points in the finals and was never scoring much. You know Kidd was doing no scoring on the Mavs. You know Rodman never scored period. Lots of players are in the top 75 for reasons aside from offense and Pippen isn’t close to the bottom of those players as a scorer.

If you’re gonna be obsessed enough to make 1500 topics with only 2-3 themes be obsessed enough to research the basics of your claims.

Not knowing shit about Nate Thurmond is one thing. Rodman, Stockton, and so on? Modern players?

No excuse for forgetting them.

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

That you are so obviously wrong in factual verifiable ways and tell me to check again is amazing.

You just aren’t good at this. You don’t know these things. You clearly don’t even read the basics about the things you discuss. Forget knowing anyone’s stats….you don’t know the list in question.

Dennis Rodman is on it. Wes Unseld. Jason Kidd. John Stockton. 3 of them won rings but none of those 3 scored even 10ppg in the playoffs when they did. Unseld was I’d estimate the 5th leading scorer on his title team in the finals.

You don’t really know much history but you know some of these people. You know Stockton was scoring like 10-12 points in the finals and was never scoring much. You know Kidd was doing no scoring on the Mavs. You know Rodman never scored period. Lots of players are in the top 75 for reasons aside from offense and Pippen isn’t close to the bottom of those players as a scorer.

If you’re gonna be obsessed enough to make 1500 topics with only 2-3 themes be obsessed enough to research the basics of your claims.

Not knowing shit about Nate Thurmond is one thing. Rodman, Stockton, and so on? Modern players?

No excuse for forgetting them.

Pretty sure that saying blatantly wrong things and then having people correct him is what he’s going for. For some reason.

[Phoenix]

Pretty sure that saying blatantly wrong things and then having people correct him is what he’s going for. For some reason.

Some agenda as the HBK_Klit troll account, basically.

[Axe]

Pippen had 2 non-horrible Finals (91' and 92') and 4 horrible ones
He was also able to lead his team to 55 wins in the rs without his first option in 1994, unlike your hero without useful men who stood 7 feet tall.

[ImKobe]

And he got outplayed by Ewing in the POs at his peak (heck, Horace Grant was better than him in the series) yet idiots on this board try to convince us that he was a top 5 player in the league.. FOH.

[RRR3]

And he got outplayed by Ewing in the POs at his peak (heck, Horace Grant was better than him in the series) yet idiots on this board try to convince us that he was a top 5 player in the league.. FOH.
Imagine sucking up to the village idiot. Have some self respect.

[ImKobe]

Imagine sucking up to the village idiot. Have some self respect.

Imagine calling Pippen top 5 and ignoring that he quit on his team because his own coach thought he wasn't good enough to take the last shot in a tied Playoff game, and he got outplayed by multiple players in the ECSF in the first Playoff run as "the man". What a joke.

[Airupthere]

Imagine calling Pippen top 5 and ignoring that he quit on his team because his own coach thought he wasn't good enough to take the last shot in a tied Playoff game, and he got outplayed by multiple players in the ECSF in the first Playoff run as "the man". What a joke.

Phil not letting pip "mr. sometimes" shooter have the last shot tells a lot about what phil thought of pippen. And he, of all people got to see him the most in practices and games.

[97 bulls]

And he got outplayed by Ewing in the POs at his peak (heck, Horace Grant was better than him in the series) yet idiots on this board try to convince us that he was a top 5 player in the league.. FOH.

Lol. Ewing had 57 year old Bill Cartwright guarding him. GTFOH.

Grant fed off of Pippen. Stop being a stat whore

[97 bulls]

Phil not letting pip "mr. sometimes" shooter have the last shot tells a lot about what phil thought of pippen. And he, of all people got to see him the most in practices and games.
Jackson has a history of doing that. He drew up a play for Kukoc when Jordan was on the team. But Jordan stole the ball from Kukoc and took the last shot. I wish I could find that play.

[ImKobe]

Jackson has a history of doing that. He drew up a play for Kukoc when Jordan was on the team. But Jordan stole the ball from Kukoc and took the last shot. I wish I could find that play.

He had a point when he did it in '94 though, they won like a dozen close games in the RS and Kukoc hit the most game-winners/go-ahead shots IIRC and Grant was 2nd.


Lol. Ewing had 57 year old Bill Cartwright guarding him. GTFOH.

Grant fed off of Pippen. Stop being a stat whore

Sure, but he was a lot more effective as a scorer, him & BJ both.

[Axe]

He had a point when he did it in '94 though, they won like a dozen close games in the RS and Kukoc hit the most game-winners/go-ahead shots IIRC and Grant was 2nd.



Sure, but he was a lot more effective as a scorer, him & BJ both.
Did he need to score more and make a lot of shots just to prove how capable he is on the floor? Lol.

[ImKobe]

Did he need to score more and make a lot of shots just to prove how capable he is on the floor? Lol.

Yes, the main goal for both teams in the game of basketball is to score the ball. Pippen was mostly below-average at it in the Playoffs if we give him the superstar treatment. And no, his passing/defense was not good enough to put him ahead of the elite big men in his era lol.

[aceman]

And he's nowhere near the best defender on the list, so he's the only guy that made the list due strictly to ring count

Btw, Bill Russell led his team in scoring for a title run in 1962

Haha, he's pretty close to the best defender!!
Also putting up 20ppg & running point at peak

[aceman]

Yes, the main goal for both teams in the game of basketball is to score the ball. Pippen was mostly below-average at it in the Playoffs if we give him the superstar treatment. And no, his passing/defense was not good enough to put him ahead of the elite big men in his era lol.

Scoring is just one half of game.
Pretty sure Pippen was above average in scoring in every playoff season also

[aceman]

3ball might have started out as a gimmick troll account as a joke but jokes don’t last 10 years. It’s mental illness at this point

It's reassuring to know he's always here even if I take a break for a few years

[aceman]

Phil not letting pip "mr. sometimes" shooter have the last shot tells a lot about what phil thought of pippen. And he, of all people got to see him the most in practices and games.

Says Kukoc was clutch. In game 5 of 1998 finals he wrote up final shot for Toni over Jordan. We know how that ended tho..

[Axe]

Yes, the main goal for both teams in the game of basketball is to score the ball. Pippen was mostly below-average at it in the Playoffs if we give him the superstar treatment. And no, his passing/defense was not good enough to put him ahead of the elite big men in his era lol.
:roll::facepalm

[3ba11]

Haha, he's pretty close to the best defender!!
Also putting up 20ppg & running point at peak


He's nowhere near the best defender on the list and infact an overrated defender


.

DPOY VOTING

1988.... MJ (1st).... Pip (none)
1989.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1990.... MJ (5th).... Pip (none)
1991.... MJ (7th).... Pip (7th)
1992.... MJ (3rd).... Pip (3rd)
1993.... MJ (2nd)... Pip (none)
1996.... MJ (5th).... Pip (2nd)
1997.... MJ (5th).... Pip (4th)
1998.... MJ (4th).... Pip (9th)


93' Jordan was clearly viewed as the Bulls' best defender, and even the LEAGUE'S:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GilQsS3oifM&t=02m47s



Here's the exchange in the 91' Finals between Marv Albert and Mike Fratello when MJ gets his 2nd foul in Game 2:



ALBERT: Do you stay with Jordan on Johnson?

FRATELLO: There's no question that he's the best guy to play Magic Johnson, but maybe you pick and choose when you put him on Magic..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o8l6oM6Jeg&t=12m23s



^^^ this sentiment was echoed by the NBA in the Bulls' Championship Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=35m03s



Jerry West reminds us that JORDAN was often considered the league's best defender:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2JnwdxwTAQ

[Phoenix]

Pip's DPOY voting in 94 and 95?

[3ba11]

Pip's DPOY voting in 94 and 95?


The bum had everything set up for him and he STILL couldn't win DPOY because he was getting his ankles broken all the time:



Pippen couldn't handle quick wings with good handle like Hill or Kobe:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/NZrhCv.gif



Here's Kobe shaking his head after breaking Pippen BADLY in 99' - Pippen is joke to him:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/DtKoPr.gif..



But just a few months earlier, Jordan had no problem stuffing Kobe's crossover in 98' ASG:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/EStPHq.gif



Here's another one - Pippen can't handle Grant off-the-dribble - he can't stay in front:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-09-2015/5FXjSn.gif



But MJ can - he stays in front of Grant every step of the way and forces wild shot:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2015/n1LWjI.gif


The reason MJ was so much better defending quick ballhandlers like Hill, Kobe or Westbrook is because he was a 2-guard, and was the frequently the primary, all-game defender on quick point guards.

For example, MJ was matched up against Gary Payton from the TIP-OFF in Game 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw&t=0m48s) and Game 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg) of the NBA Finals and was the main defender throughout the game..

MJ was also the main defender and matched up from the tip-off against Isiah Thomas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc&t=0m28s) and Rod Strickland (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8).. And we all know he was matched up from tip-off against Magic, when he guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713075&postcount=45) (70%) in the 1991 Finals.

MJ's far greater experience playing quick ballhandling guards and his superior athleticism made him a better perimeter defender than Pippen

[Phoenix]

Didn't read, but thanks for the effort :lol

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[3ba11]

Didn't read, but thanks for the effort :lol

https://c.tenor.com/AF18G1pN7JcAAAAC/cooking-chicken.gif


Pictures tell 1000 words, so you didn't have to read that post - just watch Pip's ankles get broke over and over

[Phoenix]

Didn't look:lol
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