Higher All-Time: Walt Frazier or Allen Iverson

[dankok8]

Who's higher on the all-time list?

[Airupthere]

I will stay by my vote before, AI. We already had 11 each. I dont know how many will change votes but those that voted for neither before should be able to break off this balance.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I usually don't care for 70s players but it's Frazier here.

Iverson best playoff series is shooting 34% and eliminating ray Allen I guess?

Walt Frazier had 36 points 19 assists in game 7 1970 finals over jerry west and embarrassed him by pick pocketing him a few times as well. And then the 7x all defensive teams.

Classic case of an overrated player vs underrated player

[getting_old]

Being a super-cool daddy in Clyde's day wasn't inherently destructive.

[Gohan]

Iverson is a top 10 player of all time. Whoever votes for frazier is a hater or knicks slurper

[tpols]

I usually don't care for 70s players but it's Frazier here.

Iverson best playoff series is shooting 34% and eliminating ray Allen I guess?

Walt Frazier had 36 points 19 assists in game 7 1970 finals over jerry west and embarrassed him by pick pocketing him a few times as well. And then the 7x all defensive teams.

Classic case of an overrated player vs underrated player

Yea Frazier was incredibly intelligent, skilled and a decent athlete. Iverson was a great athlete who was basically retarded by comparison but sold arenas because of his style of play and look. Less effective, but more aesthetic .

[L.Kizzle]

I usually don't care for 70s players but it's Frazier here.

Iverson best playoff series is shooting 34% and eliminating ray Allen I guess?

Walt Frazier had 36 points 19 assists in game 7 1970 finals over jerry west and embarrassed him by pick pocketing him a few times as well. And then the 7x all defensive teams.

Classic case of an overrated player vs underrated player
To be fair, that was Frazier's absolutely best performance probably ever. He was mediocre in that entire playoff run. He had games of 6 points in that Finals series.

[hiphopanonymous]

I don't know about "higher all-time" but I do know Iverson is a better player. Frazier's resume may close the gap or put him up for debate of 'higher all time' though.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

To be fair, that was Frazier's absolutely best performance probably ever. He was mediocre in that entire playoff run. He had games of 6 points in that Finals series.

Iverson simply took advantage of a weak era because his toughest comp was Ray Allen. In this era? Iverson would be damian Lillard and getting swept off the court by Curry like Lillard did in 2019.

Frazier still dominated Jerry West in a game 7, iverson never dominated another top player like that.

[gonzaldo]

I usually don't care for 70s players but it's Frazier here.

Iverson best playoff series is shooting 34% and eliminating ray Allen I guess?

He had the 48 points game against lakers, only 6 players have managed to score more in NBA finals game.

[Phoenix]

Iverson simply took advantage of a weak era because his toughest comp was Ray Allen. In this era? Iverson would be damian Lillard and getting swept off the court by Curry like Lillard did in 2019.

Frazier still dominated Jerry West in a game 7, iverson never dominated another top player like that.

He also provided the 2001 Lakers with their toughest competition in the playoffs, and basically as a solo act offensively.

[fsvr54]

Defense matters and Walt was a much better defender.

[Gohan]

He also provided the 2001 Lakers with their toughest competition in the playoffs, and basically as a solo act offensively.

Im not sure but i think im in love

[bizil]

When it comes to a PG like a Frazier or Payton for that matter,u GOTTA be careful just to assume the easy answer is AI. With Frazier you get world class defense, great floor generalship, and has alpha dog scoring ability to boot. He was a pass first PG and had a great team around him winning chips. So he didn't need to average the points a Big O did from the PG position. Plus he was 6'4 on top of it. So he could defend PG, SG, and even many SF's. Just saying Frazier had NO HOLES in his game.

[Kblaze8855]

There is quite a bit of evidence Frazier’s 36/19 game didn’t even happen and it was actually 36/9 with an error in the reporting everyone went with in the future. The entire game is online. If I remember correctly someone counted them all and got 8 for sure or 9 if you give him one tossup. That said…..

Frazier had the better career but it’s hard to judge. If AI had the prime version of the 3rd best big of his era(Let’s say Dirk or KG) like Walt had Reed….and an elite two way super defensive 4 who was top 50 like Dave….(let’s say Sheed though Dave was better relative to his era). Then give him a low end hall of fame wing who some call overrated but got a lot of winner love like Bill Bradley….let’s be generous and call it Wally szczerbiak. Then off the bench/occasionally starting give him a super scoring combo guard who was all nba first team, led a finals team, and his primary rival and ended up on the same team after demanding a trade….call it Jason Kidd or maybe Ray Allen.

Do all that….AI has a lineup of

Iverson
Ray Allen
Wallly
Sheed
Dirk or KG

Youre still 2 all stars short depending on the season. Maybe swap one out for Jerry Lucas who was like 20/16 before being a role player on the Knicks or Walt Bellamy who was a 25-30 and 15-19 player who got there when he was 26. Some other low end all stars I won’t call attention to as well. Some years better or worse but generally a good selection of HOF talent. 5 of the 1997 top 50 list were Knicks in Frazier’s prime along with 2 more hall of famers and a couple all stars.

I just feel like if AI had such a lineup we may have a different perspective on winner vs loser in this matchup.

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, tied up 10-10 again :lol

[RRR3]

Gohan desperately logging in to his alts :facepalm

[Gohan]

Gohan desperately logging in to his alts :facepalm

I dont have alts and im not you to care that much about what they think. I know iverson is a top 10 player of all time

[Rysio]

All star vs super star. Bad comparison.

[RRR3]

All star vs super star. Bad comparison.
:facepalm

[Airupthere]

12-11, Walt

[Rysio]

:facepalm

If you don't average close to 30 ppg in 82 game season at least once or lead in assists 20/10 type of season you ain't a superstar and Frazier never did. He's a bum compared to ai.

[SouBeachTalents]

If you don't average close to 30 ppg in 82 game season at least once or lead in assists 20/10 type of season you ain't a superstar and Frazier never did. He's a bum compared to ai.
I guess Russell, Duncan, KG, Dirk etc were never superstars

[Rysio]

I guess Russell, Duncan, KG, Dirk etc were never superstars

Ofensivley only dirk was consistently a superstar he dint average 30 but everyone knows he could ve

[000]

If you don't average close to 30 ppg in 82 game season at least once or lead in assists 20/10 type of season you ain't a superstar and Frazier never did. He's a bum compared to ai.
you a stackhouse fan too?

brothers4life:cheers:

[Gohan]

you a stackhouse fan too?

brothers4life:cheers:

Theres levels to this shit not your poor example.

[Gohan]

I guess Russell, Duncan, KG, Dirk etc were never superstars
Bad examples

[Full Court]

Iverson is a top 10 player of all time.

No. He's not.