Pippen shot below league average TS in playoffs every year except 89', 90', 91', 02'

[3ba11]

Most overrated player in history

His prime stats < Pandemic P

He's just lucky to come along before people started getting criticized for poor play.. So everyone just looks at his 6 rings and assumes he played well, despite wetting the bed in the majority of series he played.. 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs including 2 Finals of 15.7 ppg

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan shot below average TS% in every Finals from '96-'98.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Only Kawhi and Jordan can carry glorified role players like Lowry\Pippen to the title because they are 1 man offensive anchors.

Lebron needs #1 draft picks like Irving\Davis or dynamic superstars like Wade.

[SouBeachTalents]

So did Kobe in 6 of his Finals

[3ba11]

Jordan shot below average TS% in every Finals from '96-'98.


That's a blatant lie - he shot 53.8 TS in the 96' Finals and league average in those Playoffs was 53.8

[3ba11]

Only Kawhi and Jordan can carry glorified role players like Lowry\Pippen to the title because they are 1 man offensive anchors.

Lebron needs #1 draft picks like Irving\Davis or dynamic superstars like Wade.


Ball-dominators and centers require ridiculous help to win including dominant teammates that can take over, while assassin closers like Kawhi or MJ can win with non-dominant bums like Lowry and Pippen

[SaintzFury13]

Most overrated player in history

His prime stats < Pandemic P

He's just lucky to come along before people started getting criticized for poor play.. So everyone just looks at his 6 rings and assumes he played well, despite wetting the bed in the majority of series he played.. 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs including 2 Finals of 15.7 ppg

People who watch the games say otherwise.

[3ba11]

People who watch the games say otherwise.


It's group think - people have their "6 ring blinders" on and can't actually give examples of him playing great or taking over - otoh, the examples of him wetting the bed are plentiful

I watched every game and he was never a primary factor and never on the scouting report - the announcers never talked about him dominating or playing great because he never did.

But let's see what players, coached and GM's say:




People who watch the games say otherwise.


SOURCED QUOTES ABOUT PIPPEN:


BILL LAIMBEER:


"We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordanaires. And you can't win championships like that, with only one player."."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-jordan-rules-what-the-last-dance-documentary-doesnt-say-about-pistons-defense-against-michael-jordan/amp/



SHAQ TALKING ABOUT PIPPEN:


"I don't let bums (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html) disrespect me..."

"Don't make me pull up the scouting report. You wasn't even a factor on the scouting report. It was all about Mike."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html

"You did okay, but MJ did most of the work"

"yes THE GREAT MICHAEL JORDAN GOT YOU SIX RINGS , but you will always be remembered as MR 2nd FIDDLE."

"See what happens when Michael Jordan ain't protecting you, you lose a 17 pt lead in the fourth quarter." (referring to 2000 WCF Game 7)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nba-star-shaquille-oneal-slams-scotty-pippin-in-social-media-squabble/amp/



JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:


“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558



CHUCK DALY:


"It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s



CHUCK DALY:


"We knew how dangerous he was and we knew going into the playoffs that we had to do something special.. So we most definitely devised what we called "the Jordan Rules""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s



BILL LAIMBEER:


"The Jordan Rules were to just stop him, because no one else could beat you on that ballclub"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs&t=1m22s



PHIL JACKSON:


"Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not time YET."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=30m20s

This was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything down the stretch of games.



DUMARS AND ISIAH:


"Isiah said he sat out by the water for 4-5 hours (thinking about MJ)".

"Dumars and i were on the phone for hours, talking about 23 in red."

"Isiah called me at 3 in the morning and said 'I think i finally figured out a way to stop MJ"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h05m33s

This was Dumars' and Isiah's reaction to the Bulls taking 2-1 series lead in 1989 ECF after MJ hit GW over Rodman.. The last quote is from assistant coach Brendan Malone, who said that Isiah called at 3 am to talk about stopping MJ.



HORACE GRANT:


"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


SCOTTIE PIPPEN:


"It was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

This was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals and the ring - (Bulls would've beaten Blazers - Blazers lost in 5 easy games to Pistons, while Bulls took then 7.



Jordan had an established reputation for bummy casts and his carry-job identity is where terms like "supporting cast" and "jordannaires" literally originated.

So even if you're too young and weren't there, the quotes above sing the same song, along with the STATS, which always tell the story - if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

[1987_Lakers]

"Michael was determined to prove to the current generation that he was still larger than LeBron, the player many consider his equal, if not superior" - Pippen.

No Pip, No Chip.

[3ba11]

"Michael was determined to prove to the current generation that he was still larger than LeBron, the player many consider his equal, if not superior" - Pippen.

No Pip, No Chip.


Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping someone that THE FACTS CONFIRM is a fraud.

[1987_Lakers]

Everyone loses in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses - Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping a fraud

Wrong, Magic, Kareem, Bird, & Russell all won very early in their careers.

No Pip, No chip.

[3ba11]

Wrong, Magic, Kareem, Bird, & Russell all won very early in their careers.

No Pip, No chip.


If a player is drafted to a lottery team, they mostly lose in their first few years

Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping someone that THE FACTS CONFIRM is a fraud

[1987_Lakers]

If a player is drafted to a lottery team, they mostly lose in their first few years

Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping someone that THE FACTS CONFIRM is a fraud

Bird & Kareem got drafted into a lottery team and won right away.

No Pip, No Chip.

[3ba11]

Bird & Kareem got drafted into a lottery team and won right away.

No Pip, No Chip.


Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping someone that THE FACTS CONFIRM is a fraud

[1987_Lakers]

Durant, Lebron, Giannis and Curry were lottery in their first few years, so you're knocking Jordan for losing at a time when everyone loses

You're weaponizing the coincidence that the only time Jordan didn't have Pippen is when everyone loses.

It's literal dumbness, yet you're proud about it and you'll double down on it... Just complete denial - you have no problem worshipping someone that THE FACTS CONFIRM is a fraud

Bird & Kareem got drafted into a lottery team and won right away.

No Pip, No Chip.

[97 bulls]

It's group think - people have their "6 ring blinders" on and can't actually give examples of him playing great or taking over - otoh, the examples of him wetting the bed are plentiful

I watched every game and he was never a primary factor and never on the scouting report - the announcers never talked about him dominating or playing great because he never did.

But let's see what players, coached and GM's say:






SOURCED QUOTES ABOUT PIPPEN:


BILL LAIMBEER:


"We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordanaires. And you can't win championships like that, with only one player."."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-jordan-rules-what-the-last-dance-documentary-doesnt-say-about-pistons-defense-against-michael-jordan/amp/



SHAQ TALKING ABOUT PIPPEN:


"I don't let bums (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html) disrespect me..."

"Don't make me pull up the scouting report. You wasn't even a factor on the scouting report. It was all about Mike."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2533220-shaquille-oneal-sounds-off-on-scottie-pippen-while-explaining-instagram-feud.amp.html

"You did okay, but MJ did most of the work"

"yes THE GREAT MICHAEL JORDAN GOT YOU SIX RINGS , but you will always be remembered as MR 2nd FIDDLE."

"See what happens when Michael Jordan ain't protecting you, you lose a 17 pt lead in the fourth quarter." (referring to 2000 WCF Game 7)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/nba-star-shaquille-oneal-slams-scotty-pippin-in-social-media-squabble/amp/



JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:


“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5453558



CHUCK DALY:


"It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s



CHUCK DALY:


"We knew how dangerous he was and we knew going into the playoffs that we had to do something special.. So we most definitely devised what we called "the Jordan Rules""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=22m49s



BILL LAIMBEER:


"The Jordan Rules were to just stop him, because no one else could beat you on that ballclub"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2v0LOhjsJs&t=1m22s



PHIL JACKSON:


"Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not time YET."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WeAUz2dZ_NQ&t=30m20s

This was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything down the stretch of games.



DUMARS AND ISIAH:


"Isiah said he sat out by the water for 4-5 hours (thinking about MJ)".

"Dumars and i were on the phone for hours, talking about 23 in red."

"Isiah called me at 3 in the morning and said 'I think i finally figured out a way to stop MJ"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h05m33s

This was Dumars' and Isiah's reaction to the Bulls taking 2-1 series lead in 1989 ECF after MJ hit GW over Rodman.. The last quote is from assistant coach Brendan Malone, who said that Isiah called at 3 am to talk about stopping MJ.



HORACE GRANT:


"If it wasn't for MJ, I don't think I'd be sitting here right now. I mean, would've had a decent career, but for a leader like that to lead you to 3 championships..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY&t=14m44s


SCOTTIE PIPPEN:


"It was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

This was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals and the ring - (Bulls would've beaten Blazers - Blazers lost in 5 easy games to Pistons, while Bulls took then 7.



Jordan had an established reputation for bummy casts and his carry-job identity is where terms like "supporting cast" and "jordannaires" literally originated.

So even if you're too young and weren't there, the quotes above sing the same song, along with the STATS, which always tell the story - if Lebron had "bums" in 2009 despite the #3 defense and an all-star teammate, then Jordan had bums in 1990 when he had the #19 defense and a far less productive all-star teammate (lower BPM, VORP, WS/48, PER, scoring, efficiency).

Lol. All these quotes are about Jordan's greatness or if they're about Pippen, they were made prior to 1991.

[97 bulls]

Most overrated player in history

His prime stats < Pandemic P

He's just lucky to come along before people started getting criticized for poor play.. So everyone just looks at his 6 rings and assumes he played well, despite wetting the bed in the majority of series he played.. 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs including 2 Finals of 15.7 ppg
This doesn't matter. Pippen wasn't focused on stats, he was focused in winning. And he was great at it.

[3ba11]

This doesn't matter. Pippen wasn't focused on stats, he was focused in winning. And he was great at it.


He was literally horrible at it - a horrific clutch player and goat choker - super-jittery under pressure and horrific scorer and leader - sits out when coach wants him in, etc.. bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat caliber

[hateraid]

"Michael was determined to prove to the current generation that he was still larger than LeBron, the player many consider his equal, if not superior" - Pippen.

No Pip, No Chip.

/Thread

[hateraid]

This doesn't matter. Pippen wasn't focused on stats, he was focused in winning. And he was great at it.

He never watched those finals so this is something he can't relate to

[3ba11]

/Thread


The funniest thing is that Pippen is demonstrating that he's an immature baby, which shows why Jordan had to "raise" him from 8 ppg rookie to all-star and champion - how did MJ win 6 chips with this baby?



JERRY KRAUSE, BULLS GM:

“Would Pippen have been great someplace else?

Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him... No, Michael made him a man.

Michael made him a man and Doug [Collins] did a great job with him in his first year. And he - Collins - had Michael to beat on him for a year every day in practice and Michael beat him to death."

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nb...ory?id=5453558

[97 bulls]

He was literally horrible at it - a horrific clutch player and goat choker - super-jittery under pressure and horrific scorer and leader - sits out when coach wants him in, etc.. bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat caliber
6 Championships and his W-L record (aka the facts) say different. Sorry bro.

[3ba11]

6 Championships and his W-L record (aka the facts) say different. Sorry bro.


Pippen has 6 "horry" rings - same as any non-1st option

He wasn't getting 25 ppg or FMVP like every other winning sidekick - he was getting horrible stats and carried (19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals)

[97 bulls]

Pippen has 6 "horry" rings - same as any non-1st option

He wasn't getting 25 ppg or FMVP like every other winning sidekick - he was getting horrible stats and carried (19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals)

Then why isn't Horry a consensus top 20-25 player? What is the world missing with Horry that they saw in Pippen? What about Kerr? He has 5 Championships as a player. Or Ron Harper? Perhaps you need to reassess your stance on Pippen. You've already shown to be way off base on a lot of your talking points. You even admit that yourself.

[3ba11]

Then why isn't Horry a consensus top 20-25 player? What is the world missing with Horry that they saw in Pippen? What about Kerr? He has 5 Championships as a player. Or Ron Harper? Perhaps you need to reassess your stance on Pippen. You've already shown to be way off base on a lot of your talking points. You even admit that yourself.


Horry wasn't a #2 - only Pippen won 6 as #2 because only Pippen played with MJ

Pippen was infact only a #2 alongside Jordan - otherwise he wasn't even a #2

His low efficiency further confirms that he couldn't handle the load

[AirBonner]

Pippen was a 1B to MJ

[3ba11]

Pippen was a 1B to MJ


Pippen's stats were on the lower end for a winning sidekick and there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option... Ever.. It's the opposite of 1b

And again, Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside Jordan, otherwise he wasn't even that

[AirBonner]

Thread cliffs:

MJ has 0 chips without Pippen. MJ without Pippen is a taller Iverson

[97 bulls]

Pippen's stats were on the lower end for a winning sidekick and there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option... Ever.. It's the opposite of 1b

And again, Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside Jordan, otherwise he wasn't even that

Scottie Pippen was a winner. He knew what it took to win at the game of basketball at the highest level. Thats why he was so good at it. That's why he was more successful without Jordan than Jordan was without him. You follow the Mike Dantoni, Don Nelson approach of try to outscore the opponent. Both have a combined almost half of century of that mindset, great talent to boot, and have never even sniffed a championship. Lol so who's right? Definitely not you. History shows that teams can't win on just scoring. And that's why the game is played. Not to score but to win. Nothing else matters. Just win baby

[3ba11]

Scottie Pippen was a winner. He knew what it took to win at the game of basketball at the highest level. Thats why he was so good at it. That's why he was more successful without Jordan than Jordan was without him. You follow the Mike Dantoni, Don Nelson approach of try to outscore the opponent. Both have a combined almost half of century of that mindset, great talent to boot, and have never even sniffed a championship. Lol so who's right? Definitely not you. History shows that teams can't win on just scoring. And that's why the game is played. Not to score but to win. Nothing else matters. Just win baby


Pippen was a choking loser that hacked the shit out of Hubert:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif



Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/_p33FZ.gif



Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/8uUPI_.gif


So Pippen choked many times - the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, and Game 7, plus a lot of other little chokes in between

The problem is that he was overrated by new fans for the last couple decades, so it's gone to his head now - he called Phil racist for going with Kukoc - that's pretty dumb because Phil had no problem putting the ball in MJ's hands

[ELITEpower23]

TS%? This guy must love free throws and Steve Nash then :oldlol:

Nash had 15 seasons with a TS above 55%
MJ had...10 :(
LBJ had...18 :pimp:

Thanks for mentioning TS OP :oldlol:

[Rysio]

Pippen had an 47% efg during 6 championships which is comparable efficiency to 2d 3peat Jordan.

[3ba11]

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg



Pippen had an 47% efg during 6 championships which is comparable efficiency to 2d 3peat Jordan.


Pippen had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting runs for a winning sidekick in 93', 96', and 98'

His efficiency is literally worst-ever

So his low ppg for a winning sidekick and worst-ever efficiency = worst-scoring sidekick that ever won

[97 bulls]

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg





Pippen had 3 of the 7 worst true shooting runs for a winning sidekick in 93', 96', and 98'

His efficiency is literally worst-ever

So his low ppg for a winning sidekick and worst-ever efficiency = worst-scoring sidekick that ever won

It doesn't matter. You saw the impact Pippen had on the Bulls when he played and didn't play.

It's a fact that the Bulls did better with Pippen and no Jordan, than they did with Jordan and no Pippen. So keep your TS numbers and I'll keep the win loss record because that's what's important.

[3ba11]

It doesn't matter. You saw the impact Pippen had on the Bulls when he played and didn't play.

It's a fact that the Bulls did better with Pippen and no Jordan, than they did with Jordan and no Pippen. So keep your TS numbers and I'll keep the win loss record because that's what's important.


Bulls were 30-12 with MJ and no Pippen from 91-98', so that's much better than Pippen's record of 55 wins in 1994 and borderline lottery in 95'.

Otherwise, the only years that MJ didn't play with Pippen were his first 3 years when everyone loses - Durant, Lebron, Curry and Giannis were all lottery in their first few years, so you can't knock MJ for losing at a time when everyone loses - you're just weaponizing the coincidence that the only years MJ didn't have Pippen are the years where everyone loses

[3ba11]

Here's a great summary by the mainstream media:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYkE7UFYtE&t=02m14s

[ImKobe]

It doesn't matter. You saw the impact Pippen had on the Bulls when he played and didn't play.

It's a fact that the Bulls did better with Pippen and no Jordan, than they did with Jordan and no Pippen. So keep your TS numbers and I'll keep the win loss record because that's what's important.

Bulls with MJ - two 3-Peats
Bulls without MJ - 2nd round loss to the Knicks :kobe:

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan shot below average TS% in every Finals from '96-'98.

Word??

[ELITEpower23]

Bulls with MJ - two 3-Peats
Bulls without MJ - 2nd round loss to the Knicks :kobe:

MJ had Pippen and Grant
Pippen had Grant only...Give Pippen Klay Thompson and they win.
MJ's impact = Klay Thompson level

MJ without Pippen? NOT a 2nd round loss to the Knicks...1-9

You done chico? :oldlol:

[SaintzFury13]

Bulls were 30-12 with MJ and no Pippen from 91-98', so that's much better than Pippen's record of 55 wins in 1994 and borderline lottery in 95'.

Who taught you math?

[ShawkFactory]

Here's a great summary by the mainstream media:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxYkE7UFYtE&t=02m14s

You were around and conscious enough in the early 90s to know what the mainstream media's thoughts were?

If so that makes what you do even sadder.

[3ba11]

You were around and conscious enough in the early 90s to know what the mainstream media's thoughts were?

If so that makes what you do even sadder.


It's hilarious because Pippen is ruining the great facade that he had going - the more people look into the details of his performance and career, the more they will realize how pedestrian he is and how much his accolades were based on ring count and not performance...

You hear people starting to ask "when did he hit a big shot" and stuff like that... The more they do that, the more they'll realize that he sucked and is incredibly overrated...

It makes sense that the GOAT carried his low-producing and weak-shooting sidekick to 6 chips, not that his sidekick was somehow an equal - that isn't what made MJ the GOAT in most people's minds, so Pippen is getting called out and recognized more than ever before as vastly INFERIOR to MJ... Pippen's own actions and lies are exposing this more than ever before.

[ELITEpower23]

Bulls were 30-12 with MJ and no Pippen from 91-98', so that's much better than Pippen's record of 55 wins in 1994 and borderline lottery in 95'.

Otherwise, the only years that MJ didn't play with Pippen were his first 3 years when everyone loses - Durant, Lebron, Curry and Giannis were all lottery in their first few years, so you can't knock MJ for losing at a time when everyone loses - you're just weaponizing the coincidence that the only years MJ didn't have Pippen are the years where everyone loses

22 year old MJ = 1-9
22 year old LBJ = Finals

2 ez baby boi

[SaintzFury13]

It's hilarious because Pippen is ruining the great facade that he had going - the more people look into the details of his performance and career, the more they will realize how pedestrian he is and how much his accolades were based on ring count and not performance...

Really? Because the more I look into the details of his performance and career, the better he comes out looking as a player.

[3ba11]

Really? Because the more I look into the details of his performance and career, the better he comes out looking as a player.


1988 - 10 ppg

1989 - 9 on 40% in ECF

1990 - 16 on 42% in ECF (migraine game that cost the title)

1991 - dumb foul on a stumbling Vlade lost Game 3 so the Bulls were down 1-2 with 2 more in LA... oh wait - MJ saved the day after pippen did that by hitting the game-tying shot and locking down Magic in OT with Pippen on the bench... to give the Bulls a 2-1 lead

1992 - X-man debacle in ECSF that nearly derailed the title

1993 - lowest advanced stats ever for a winning sidekick (PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, TS)

1994 - 21.7 on 40% in ECSF and destroyed by Ewing with 3 chokes (the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, Game 7)

1995 - destroyed by Larry Johnson in 1st Round and 19 on 40% in 2nd Round lost series (also had a borderline lottery team until MJ returned to go 13-4 and 3-peat status)

1996-1998 - 17 on 41% in playoffs, horrific 98' ECF that nearly derailed the title

1999-2003 - 11 ppg in playoffs - 3rd option behind fossils Hakeem and Barkley.. lost 17 point lead in the 4th quarter of 2000 WCF (another historic choke)



Watch a special treat of Pippen choking 2 big FT's to basically trick off the title in 1998:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1lCjwWJ1Ds&t=7126s