View Full Version : In the 2016 Finals, Kyrie led Lebron in +/- and net rating
3ba11
11-06-2021, 10:55 PM
Lebron +/- and net rating:
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/traditional/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Kyrie +/- and net rating:
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202681/traditional/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202681/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
So Lebron didn't lead the most important categories and the Cavs were better with Kyrie on the floor than Lebron, while Kyrie also CLOSED, aka the real FMVP... :confusedshrug:
This is nothing new.. Lebron had a zero plus/minus and negative net rating in the 13' Finals, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor.. His teammates actually staved off an 0-3 deficit while he wet the bed with 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 and required Ray to force Game 7.
AirBonner
11-06-2021, 11:02 PM
Op, you looking to get knocked the fvck out?
Well guess we can get rid of all of Kobe’s FMVPs by this logic.
SouBeachTalents
11-06-2021, 11:22 PM
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Yikes.
ShawkFactory
11-07-2021, 12:02 AM
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Damn :lol
ELITEpower23
11-07-2021, 12:16 AM
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Shut it DOWN
3ba11
11-07-2021, 11:53 AM
The point is that Kyrie led in plus/minus and net rating, while also being an equal-scoring partner, whereas Pippen was completely carried in every Finals - he never dominated and never got anywhere near Jordan
So Kyrie could get near Lebron and match him, while Pippen never got anywhere near Jordan and was always carried
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
:milton
3ba11
11-07-2021, 12:06 PM
:milton
The point is that Kyrie led in plus/minus and net rating, while also being an equal-scoring partner, whereas Pippen was completely carried in every Finals - he never dominated and never got anywhere near Jordan
So Kyrie could get near Lebron and match him, while Pippen never got anywhere near Jordan and was always carried
ImKobe
11-07-2021, 12:15 PM
We're splitting hairs here with the on/off numbers, especially with a sample size that small.
http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PlayerIds=977,2200
This is the entire 2010 Playoffs and they played less than a 100 minutes on the court without one another and Kobe was +2.63 without Gasol while Gasol was -0.68 without Kobe. Lakers offense was better without Gasol. Too small of a sample size though.
8Ball
11-07-2021, 01:28 PM
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
Case closed.
No phil, no kill.
No triangle, no miracle.
TheGoatest
11-08-2021, 08:54 AM
1997 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/advanced/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
2010 Finals
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/traditional/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/2200/advanced/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4
OP was really hoping nobody would fact-check him, and whether his agenda might turn against the players he is stanning. :oldlol:
GimmeThat
11-08-2021, 09:14 AM
sane people would consider Horry as the undisputed GOAT over Jordan if he simply put up Lebron's stats every single season he played with all while ending up with those 7 rings, you know that right.
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