LeBron ranks as the most clutch player since 2000 according to B/R over Kobe Bryant

[k0kakw0rld]

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[SouBeachTalents]

Seems kinda silly not to have 3x FMVP's like Shaq & Duncan make the list.

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/Af0vMD_CTYY


Im not certain Melo doesn’t have 20-25 career game winners. That video is before he even left Denver and that wasn’t all of them to that point.

[RRR3]

https://youtu.be/Af0vMD_CTYY


Im not certain Melo doesn’t have 20-25 career game winners. That video is before he even left Denver and that wasn’t all of them to that point.
Yeah but he’s generally underperformed in the playoffs.

[3ba11]

Their clutch stats are basically the same - both Lebron and Kobe shot 40% on 3 attempts per game during clutch time (last 5 within 5) of their playoff careers.

Otoh, old Jordan shot 47% on 3.6 attempts in the 97' and 98' Playoffs - that's 20% more clutch attempts/clutch burden with far better efficiency

[ImKobe]

Dame over Kobe?? What has Dame done outside of the 1st round of the Playoffs again? Didn't he blow like 3 double-digit leads to an injured Warriors squad in the WCF?

Kobe still has the most game-winners all-time with better clutch stats than Lebron for POs career overall with overall TS% and ast/to ratio. Lebron has a good clutch track record against weak EC teams but no significant clutch moments in the Finals. Jordan is by far the most clutch player in NBA history obviously and Kobe's 2nd just off his clutch stats in the 00-02 3-Peat.


Coaches might have been able to game plan to stop a singular shot from Kobe at the end of a game, but they could never stop him consistently in the fourth quarter, where he often played his best basketball (TS% requires a minimum of 50 FGA in playoff fourth quarters).

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But fourth quarter stats can be misleading, right? Who knows if he was just putting up numbers in the fourth when the game was already decided? When using the NBA’s definition of clutch, the last five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime, when the score is within five points, we find an interesting result. All stats are per 36 minutes, requiring at least 10 minutes

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[RRR3]

Dame over Kobe?? What has Dame done outside of the 1st round of the Playoffs again? Didn't he blow like 3 double-digit leads to an injured Warriors squad in the WCF?

Kobe still has the most game-winners all-time with better clutch stats than Lebron for POs career overall with overall TS% and ast/to ratio. Lebron has a good clutch track record against weak EC teams but no significant clutch moments in the Finals. Jordan is by far the most clutch player in NBA history obviously and Kobe's 2nd just off his clutch stats in the 00-02 3-Peat.



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Lmao still blocked this from your memory I see. https://youtu.be/YRIMQi7X7mI

LeBron has far more playoff game winners congrats on Kobe getting em against deadly lottery teams tho.

[HunterSThompson]

sorry but if your number one option is to pass in the clutch whenever the shot looks too difficult for you.. youre not clutch

[ImKobe]

Lmao still blocked this from your memory I see. https://youtu.be/YRIMQi7X7mI

LeBron has far more playoff game winners congrats on Kobe getting em against deadly lottery teams tho.

What's Lebron's biggest clutch moment in 10 Finals again? Turning the ball over multiple times in a row against the Spurs and having Bosh & Allen bail out for him?

[RRR3]

What's Lebron's biggest clutch moment in 10 Finals again? Turning the ball over multiple times in a row against the Spurs and having Bosh & Allen bail out for him?
Typing through the tears and ignoring the link lmao. What’s Kobe’s biggest clutch moment, a game winner in a series he choked away? :roll:

[ImKobe]

Typing through the tears and ignoring the link lmao. What’s Kobe’s biggest clutch moment, a game winner in a series he choked away? :roll:

As is Lebron's. 2009 game-winner was his peak and he choked the 2nd half of that series. At least in Kobe's case it was his team's defense that gave up two uncontested 3s which resulted in them blowing a close-out game where he scored 50 in and hit multiple clutch shots in a row that should have won the game & the series, whereas Lebron got outplayed by Dwight Howard out of all people.

[SATAN]

Kobe stans melting down hard itt

[SouBeachTalents]

As is Lebron's. 2009 game-winner was his peak and he choked the 2nd half of that series. At least in Kobe's case it was his team's defense that gave up two uncontested 3s which resulted in them blowing a close-out game where he scored 50 in and hit multiple clutch shots in a row that should have won the game & the series, whereas Lebron got outplayed by Dwight Howard out of all people.
What's hilarious/sad is if LeBron had literally the identical Game 6 Kobe did, he'd just point out how he airballed the GW and how he scored most of his OT points trailing by 3 possessions. I also doubt he'd omit the Game 7 quit job :lol Ditto if Kobe had LeBron's '09 ECF performance, he'd tout his godly numbers and just say his teammates let him down.

[8Ball]

Water is wet.

[8Ball]

What's Lebron's biggest clutch moment in 10 Finals again? Turning the ball over multiple times in a row against the Spurs and having Bosh & Allen bail out for him?

Kobe is a vastly inferior finals performer to Bron. There is no dispute.

[ImKobe]

What's hilarious/sad is if LeBron had literally the identical Game 6 Kobe did, he'd just point out how he airballed the GW and how he scored most of his OT points trailing by 3 possessions. I also doubt he'd omit the Game 7 quit job :lol Ditto if Kobe had LeBron's '09 ECF performance, he'd tout his godly numbers and just say his teammates let him down.

The difference is that Lebron's team was a HUGE favorite (bigger than the Lakers over the Pistons) and had HCA in the '09 series with Magic missing their star PG, and that the Magic's defensive strategy was to play man defense on him to take out his teammates.


Kobe is a vastly inferior finals performer to Bron. There is no dispute.

False. Lebron's Finals production was on par before the 3PT/offensive explosion in '16. He also never got injured in the Finals and never played in the POs under the old rules.

[RRR3]

The difference is that Lebron's team was a HUGE favorite (bigger than the Lakers over the Pistons) and had HCA in the '09 series with Magic missing their star PG, and that the Magic's defensive strategy was to play man defense on him to take out his teammates.



False. Lebron's Finals production was on par before the 3PT/offensive explosion in '16. He also never got injured in the Finals and never played in the POs under the old rules.
You said Melo was comparable to LeBron, you have no credibility and are just here to have your opinions laughed at.

[8Ball]

The difference is that Lebron's team was a HUGE favorite (bigger than the Lakers over the Pistons) and had HCA in the '09 series with Magic missing their star PG, and that the Magic's defensive strategy was to play man defense on him to take out his teammates.



False. Lebron's Finals production was on par before the 3PT/offensive explosion in '16. He also never got injured in the Finals and never played in the POs under the old rules.

Wrong 100%


Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%




This is all awful vs Bron. Inferior in everyway. Not even disputable.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wrong 100%


Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%




This is all awful vs Bron. Inferior in everyway. Not even disputable.
5/7 > 4/10

[dankok8]

In terms of what he does on the court overall (ex. defensive rebounds in the clutch are unusually important and contested!) I'd give Lebron an edge in crunch time. Normally defensive rebounds have very little value but in the clutch they do matter more.

Playoffs Crunch-time Per 48 Minutes - Career

Lebron: 42.7 pts, 10.9 rbs (1.8 o), 7.9 ass, 1.8 stl, 1.8 blk on 54.6 %TS (+0.1 rTS) with 4.6 tov
Kobe: 43.1 pts, 5.9 rbs (0.9 o), 4.7 ass, 1.3 stl, 0.6 blk on 54.2 %TS (+1.3 rTS) with 2.9 tov

In elimination games, Lebron's numbers are also better.

If the criteria is strictly hitting a game-winning shot then Kobe obviously has the edge. He's a better outside shooter.

[Axe]

If we're talking about being clutch in the playoffs, then #8 is a fraud.

[Spurs m8]

According to B/R says everything we need to know lmfao

Mr can't hit a clutch shot when it's hit or lose

Lucky Bosh cleaned up his brick and kicked it to Ray

[Hey Yo]

Wrong 100%


Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%




This is all awful vs Bron. Inferior in everyway. Not even disputable.

LOL

[Baller789]

If we're talking about being clutch in the playoffs, then #8 is a fraud.

And who is the truth?

[GimmeThat]

next up in the human evolution: team owners requiring players to see psychiatrists based on different rankings produced under different scenarios.

not the type of sh*t sports journalists can own up to so it seems.

[2much_knowledge]

Kobe made more game winning shots in a 2 week period in 2010 than lebron is his whole 1st Cleveland stint lol

Only in the 2018 playoffs, he deserves to be compared and was really clutch.

[ClipperRevival]

Wrong 100%


Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%




This is all awful vs Bron. Inferior in everyway. Not even disputable.

Using TS% to measure a perimeter player who takes a ton of midrange shots is akin to measuring a C using FT%.

Take a look at the all time TS% leader. Does that list look like a good representation of the greatest players ever? LOL

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_career.html

[ImKobe]

Wrong 100%


Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%




This is all awful vs Bron. Inferior in everyway. Not even disputable.

What?

Lebron

07 - 22 ppg 35.6%FG/42.8%TS
11 - 17.8 ppg 47.8%FG/54.1%TS
12 - 28.6 ppg 47.2%FG/55.8%TS
13 - 25.3 ppg 44,7%FG/52.9%TS
14 - garbage time scoring, blown out by a historic fashion
15 - 35.8 ppg 39.8%FG/47.7%TS, shut down in 2nd halves

Nothing comes close to Lebron's first two Finals in terms of underperforming/choking.. Kobe got injured in 2000 and still won a road game in OT without Shaq and closed out Game 6, Lebron's Finals numbers were not good/he was not that great statistically until the 3PT explosion/Warriors era.

[ClipperRevival]

And Lilliard at 2 over Kobe? I don't even like Kobe but damn, what has Lillard done? Hit a few shots in the 1st round? LOL

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[Axe]

And who is the truth?
At least king kong was clutch.

[ELITEpower23]

What's Lebron's biggest clutch moment in 10 Finals again? Turning the ball over multiple times in a row against the Spurs and having Bosh & Allen bail out for him?

LeBron has what, 4 Finals games with a better Game Score than Jordan's best Finals game ever :oldlol: and probably ten better than Kobe's best game :oldlol: Do try to keep up.

[Baller789]

LeBron has what, 4 Finals games with a better Game Score than Jordan's best Finals game ever :oldlol: and probably ten better than Kobe's best game :oldlol: Do try to keep up.

Why are you deflecting tho?

[ELITEpower23]

Why are you deflecting tho?
LeBron has what, 4 Finals games with a better Game Score than Jordan's best Finals game ever :oldlol: and probably ten better than Kobe's best game :oldlol: Do try to keep up.

[Baller789]

LeBron has what, 4 Finals games with a better Game Score than Jordan's best Finals game ever :oldlol: and probably ten better than Kobe's best game :oldlol: Do try to keep up.

He asked you what is Lebron's biggest clutch moment in his 10 finals slow-bro.

"Deflecting, attacking, projecting. ... Often to the degree where they try to always keep you on the defense by accusing you of all sorts of stuff, some of which includes the things they are actually doing themselves (narcissistic projection)"

:oldlol:

[Manny98]

No Kyrie :facepalm

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