Fans begging for Travis Scott to stop astroworld concert, It was demonic

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl3KzqtLr8k



That's some demonic $hit right there for sure.

details of this are horrific... Travis Scott knew people were dying, kept the show going.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm confused, how did these 8 people die?

[BurningHammer]

I'm confused, how did these 8 people die?


Eyewitnesses of the horrific events at Scott's Astroworld Festival on Friday describe a scene of chaos and fear.



In an interview with CNN, concertgoer Billy Nasser said "people were just dying left and right." He said things "heated up" around 15 minutes after Scott began his performance "and just progressively got worse."



"People were getting trampled. They were losing their balance and then tripping over people on the floor," he told the outlet, adding that there was "shoving" in the crowd.




"The barricade couldn't accommodate all the people that were there. They were too small. It was a death trap, basically."




This isn't the first time there is this kind of incident during Travis Scott's concert too.

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl3KzqtLr8k



That's some demonic $hit right there for sure.

details of this are horrific... Travis Scott knew people were dying, kept the show going.

Him, his label and the concert promoters are gonna get sued up the ass that's for sure.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm embarrassed for the youth of today. The video in the OP starts by saying "Why is Travis Scott singing to the body being dragged off?" And then in the background, all you hear is this Travis Scott guy making sheep and goat noises "Eeeeeehhhhhhh eeeehhhhhh yeeeehhhhh eeeehhh" This is music??

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm confused, how did these 8 people die?

Rumor going around saying that someone was walking around injecting fentanyl into people with a small needle.

[BurningHammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itn3M9LNBTA

[TheMan]

I'm not embarrassed to admit that when I heard the name Travis Scott and saw that it was in Houston during the Astroworld Festival that I for sure thought he was a country singer, I was shocked to see how wrong I was. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

legit among the weirdest shit ive ever seen


never seen it it be this blatant / obvious


its hard to deny what happened there

[ArbitraryWater]

4 years ago

https://i.gyazo.com/9b4078066316d68f807076a2cccbdc53.png

[bladefd]

There are a bunch of lawsuits coming out of this. I don't know if they even had enough security around the concert. I expect long-term changes to come out of this to require more security and safer conditions.

[Doomsday Dallas]

4 years ago

https://i.gyazo.com/9b4078066316d68f807076a2cccbdc53.png




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEaowL5h3qk

[diamenz]

can somebody explain this demonic ritual shit to me in a rational way? i know nothing of travis scott, his rap or any of this other level shit y'all are talking about.

[Off the Court]

can somebody explain this demonic ritual shit to me in a rational way? i know nothing of travis scott, his rap or any of this other level shit y'all are talking about.
You have to be a low IQ moron to understand. Or you need to be "tripping absolute nut sack".:oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

CNN is quick to step in with a little damage control... which shouldn't surprise anyone.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/entertainment/travis-scott-funeral-costs/index.html




Scott took the stage shortly after 9pm on Friday to perform to 50,000 attendees. Some of those concertgoers described the event as traumatizing, with many witnesses saying they saw lifeless bodies being trampled amid the chaos. The first reports of injuries began at 9:30pm, with Scott continuing to perform until a little after 10pm. He did stop performing at one point when an ambulance was seen driving into the crowd.

Houston Police Chief Troy Finner told CNN that the investigation is ongoing and is asking the community "to be considerate of the grieving families" and to "lift them up in prayer."


He stopped performing when he saw an Ambulance driving into crowd? Really CNN? What did he do next CNN? I'd like to know what he did next when he briefly stopped the show... because anybody with an hour of time on their hands and access to youtube can see what he did once he saw the ambulance. There is no way to put your Ivermectin horse dewormer spin on this story... I'm sorry.

[Doomsday Dallas]

can somebody explain this demonic ritual shit to me in a rational way? i know nothing of travis scott, his rap or any of this other level shit y'all are talking about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgeOh9eKyMg


seems like a rational explanation to me... but not to your average follower.

[Off the Court]

seems like a rational explanation to me...
:oldlol:

[SATAN]

https://media.giphy.com/media/UVAasrbF1ly0nx0xQi/giphy.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://media.giphy.com/media/UVAasrbF1ly0nx0xQi/giphy.gif


:oldlol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkOQqkaiUo

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjbc-oD-dY


Very graphic eye-witness account right there.

[CelticBaller]

why are kids there

[Bronbron23]

why are kids there

Because of bad parents

[jstern]

Because of bad parents

That's an old an extremely common comment for decades, but it recently became very racist to say that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEauiMkdGoY

[Bronbron23]

That's an old an extremely common comment for decades, but it recently became very racist to say that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEauiMkdGoY

Yeah well everyone is losing their minds lately. There's a war on common sense

[Riddler]

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/54/o/2021/11/06/5419777ca6a14b1fad05b619d229411b.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_0QlbdPKcA

demonic.

[SATAN]

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/54/o/2021/11/06/5419777ca6a14b1fad05b619d229411b.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_0QlbdPKcA

demonic.

That's animation. It's part of the show. Labeling someone a demon of possessed because of a coincidence is absurd.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkOQqkaiUo

This doesn't prove anything at all.

[BurningHammer]

https://youtu.be/9ZwoR4QWFMs

Travis seemed to know something was wrong and saw the ambulance but he opted to ignore everything and continued the concert.

[ArbitraryWater]

CNN is quick to step in with a little damage control... which shouldn't surprise anyone.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/entertainment/travis-scott-funeral-costs/index.html






He stopped performing when he saw an Ambulance driving into crowd? Really CNN? What did he do next CNN? I'd like to know what he did next when he briefly stopped the show... because anybody with an hour of time on their hands and access to youtube can see what he did once he saw the ambulance. There is no way to put your Ivermectin horse dewormer spin on this story... I'm sorry.


I dont get it.


What prevents CNN or any other network from honest reporting on incidents such as these, with no direct political affliation?


Fox News is the only network with extensive reports on this...

Every other network seems so intellectually dishonest, and immoral...

these are basic good/bad issues, and CNN is failing.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://youtu.be/9ZwoR4QWFMs

Travis seemed to know something was wrong and saw the ambulance but he opted to ignore everything and continued the concert.


Lmao.


See's people dying, says absolutely nothing...

just looks...

and then is like, middle finger to the sky...


this dude gives off the worst energy.

[tpols]

Lmao.


See's people dying, says absolutely nothing...

just looks...

and then is like, middle finger to the sky...


this dude gives off the worst energy.

Its crazy how they can use all this wild symbolism, right in our faces... people dying, suffocating, surrounded by flames (stage pyrotechnics) and Scott is on this pedestal autotuning these super drawn out low sounding "yeaaaaa...yeaaa" chant with little kids grey bodies being taken out on a stretcher.... and people still don't believe illuminati exists or that these artists traded their souls for their riches, and now have to perform rituals like this to fulfill their contract.

People still don't believe this type of dark energy and bargain system exists and its a "conspiracy theory". Shout out to the CIA for popularizing that term. Was a genius move.

[TheMan]

Its crazy how they can use all this wild symbolism, right in our faces... people dying, suffocating, surrounded by flames (stage pyrotechnics) and Scott is on this pedestal autotuning these super drawn out low sounding "yeaaaaa...yeaaa" chant with little kids grey bodies being taken out on a stretcher.... and people still don't believe illuminati exists or that these artists traded their souls for their riches, and now have to perform rituals like this to fulfill their contract.

People still don't believe this type of dark energy and bargain system exists and its a "conspiracy theory". Shout out to the CIA for popularizing that term. Was a genius move.

Are you religious BTW? Never got that vibe from you.

[Off the Court]

So Scott exchanged his soul for fame and riches with the Illuminati if he agreed to the ritual of crushing kids at a concert? There is so much about that line of thinking that is low-IQ retarded QAnon shit but let's just start with the basics. First off f@#k Scott I'm not defending him and if he died in a fire I wouldn't blink, but Scott himself is incapable of crushing kids in a crowd. That isn't something performers can do on command. The people we should be pointing our fingers at are the people who are actually in charge of safety at the venue itself. The concert organizers and the ones on the ground directing the actual concert goers. They failed and they are unattached to Scott. Scott is just a performer, concert safety is not in his job description. Someone else was in charge of pulling the plug on his music and they didn't.

I guess this is where the internet has led us, the Baldwin accident was an illuminati ritual and whatever mishap the future brings us will be twisted into one as well. Before the internet we had old conservatives pointing at KISS concerts, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, ECT who had actual demon and Satan imagery at their shows. They said you could play their records backwards to hear the evil messages. Today we know that was moronic and none of those people are evil humans. This is just an extension of that only thanks to the internet it has been magnified. Although I will say it is likely that Scott is a much shittier human than those in the bands I just listed.

[tpols]

Are you religious BTW? Never got that vibe from you.

I'm not specifically religious but its pretty obvious that there is a spirit realm that exists as a derivative of all life and that plane is reflection of what goes on physically, after the body ceases to exist. Not saying anything about eternal hell or heaven, but its universally accepted that darkness and low energy activity is bad and light and high energy activity is good. Same way if you've ever heard a demon sound from a movie or music its always in that super low, slow demonic voice, it isn't high pitched or fast. Death is associated with low energy and life high energy.

So when Travis holds these concerts where all his singing is twisted and slow and the air is filled with fire and smoke with people choking to death... he's tapping into that dark energy and hell symbolism because the elites of this world use blackmail to control those beneath them. Make them do evil acts, and you have total control over them. They get a life of luxury as a consolation but their spirits will be tainted for a long time after their physical death. That's why that phrase is used "what use is it to gain the whole world but lose your soul?" Its a bad investment.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I'm not specifically religious but its pretty obvious that there is a spirit realm that exists as a derivative of all life and that plane is reflection of what goes on physically, after the body ceases to exist. Not saying anything about eternal hell or heaven, but its universally accepted that darkness and low energy activity is bad and light and high energy activity is good. Same way if you've ever heard a demon sound from a movie or music its always in that super low, slow demonic voice, it isn't high pitched or fast. Death is associated with low energy and life high energy.

So when Travis holds these concerts where all his singing is twisted and slow and the air is filled with fire and smoke with people choking to death... he's tapping into that dark energy and hell symbolism because the elites of this world use blackmail to control those beneath them. Make them do evil acts, and you have total control over them. They get a life of luxury as a consolation but their spirits will be tainted for a long time after their physical death. That's why that phrase is used "what use is it to gain the whole world but lose your soul?" Its a bad investment.
A guy had a concert in his hometown and things got out of control and people died, due to insufficient security measures. That's what happened

He's famous because he makes music that people like.

There's literally nothing more to it, some of you guys are nuts :lol

[BurningHammer]

There's literally nothing more to it, some of you guys are nuts :lol

:applause:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Religious tools blaming the Devil.
Yeah that's what happened.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not specifically religious but its pretty obvious that there is a spirit realm that exists as a derivative of all life and that plane is reflection of what goes on physically, after the body ceases to exist. Not saying anything about eternal hell or heaven, but its universally accepted that darkness and low energy activity is bad and light and high energy activity is good. Same way if you've ever heard a demon sound from a movie or music its always in that super low, slow demonic voice, it isn't high pitched or fast. Death is associated with low energy and life high energy.

So when Travis holds these concerts where all his singing is twisted and slow and the air is filled with fire and smoke with people choking to death... he's tapping into that dark energy and hell symbolism because the elites of this world use blackmail to control those beneath them. Make them do evil acts, and you have total control over them. They get a life of luxury as a consolation but their spirits will be tainted for a long time after their physical death. That's why that phrase is used "what use is it to gain the whole world but lose your soul?" Its a bad investment.

This man speaks the truth.

Hell is real. Demons are real. Evil is real. And if you look for it hard enough, and if you summon it based on your internal hate, your internal rage, you will then bask in it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Event organizers were expecting people to die: https://www.chron.com/culture/article/Travis-Scott-Astroworld-security-Smurfs-16605410.php



Astroworld staff were instructed to refer to dead concert-goers as "Smurfs," according to a 56-page security and emergency medical response plan obtained by CNN and authored by Austin, Texas-based concert promoter Scoremore. The wide-ranging document outlines contingencies and instructions for staff responding to different situations at the festival, which ended Friday night with the deaths of eight concert-goers as a result of a deadly crowd surge.

[SATAN]

lmao@people who fall for the dark imagery gimmick yet think everyone else are sheep. It's clear as day the same tools are being applied that were applied in extreme metal in the 80s-90s. The difference is some of those bands truly believed in what they were doing. You think they could give a shit about some rich folk industry Illuminati bs? These rappers though are just try hards playing you for the fools you are. Yet you claim to know how the entertainment industry works. It's hilarious.

[bladefd]

This man speaks the truth.

Hell is real. Demons are real. Evil is real. And if you look for it hard enough, and if you summon it based on your internal hate, your internal rage, you will then bask in it.

So, does that mean you are able to summon the devil? Nobody on ish is filled with as much hatred and rage as you.

[Doomsday Dallas]

A guy had a concert in his hometown and things got out of control and people died, due to insufficient security measures. That's what happened

He's famous because he makes music that people like.

There's literally nothing more to it, some of you guys are nuts :lol


I'll give you the freak accident at this concert. I'll give you that. My vote is that it was demonic as a MFer, but I can be open minded enough to see how this could be random.

but famous simply because he makes music people like, you say? nothing more to it??? Lmao... Man, I wish I could see the world like you. I'm jealous.

I'll just say this,... Travis Scott's wife doesn't take photo shoots bathing in blood for random entertainment, and even if this too is "random", have we gotten a little too desensitized in this country?

https://en.brinkwire.com/nerede/uploads/2021/10/ad-kylie-jenner-mad-blood-copy-1.jpg




So... we can keep the accident of 8 people dying at this concert separate from the fact that these mfers are just some of the most immoral and disgusting people alive.

you don't think they trying to normalize this disgusting Satanic behavior? Maybe just a little?

https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/b43e3e900967db76096f43ec28fbec335e58cd3ee51afbf148 185caa1cbea75b_1.jpg





but Marina Abramovic just a random performance artist? It's just art right, nothing more, nothing less... I wish I could be that ignorant.

[Off the Court]

but famous simply because he makes music people like, you say? nothing more to it??? Lmao... Man, I wish I could see the world like you. I'm jealous.
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You think the illuminati magically forced the public to buy his music and sell out his concerts?

[Off the Court]

https://www.thecut.com/2021/10/kylie-jenner-blood-photoshoot.html

Promotional photo shoot for some halloween themed make-up.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/06/20/48850205-0-image-a-3_1633547422590.jpg

https://www.makeupmuddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/F5ABFFAB-489C-4363-A5E9-92CE75B93FD8.jpeg

[Patrick Chewing]

So, does that mean you are able to summon the devil? Nobody on ish is filled with as much hatred and rage as you.

I don't know what you're on, but Liberals are the most hateful, spiteful, and irreligious people on Earth. If most Atheists are Liberal, then what does that tell you?? Lemme guess, you'll come back with some sort of retort about Liberals being smarter than most. :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Promotional photo shoot for some halloween themed make-up.

yea... that's what they always say.

there's always a reason why it's harmless fun.

same thing applies to the Heavy Metal era... harmless Satanic fun.




You think the illuminati magically forced the public to buy his music and sell out his concerts?

for the sake of argument... let's pretend Kylie is not from a family full of possessed evil witches, and is just a cute harmless innocent girl... and same thing applies to the Ozzy family. Pure innocence.

you really think you're gonna be able to pass off Marina Abramovic as being a perfectly normal performance artist? Microsoft thought it would be appropriate to market her, think about that.

Nothing wrong with Travis Scott? McDonald's didn't think so either. Kids line up to get the Travis Scott meal.

Corporate America spoon feeds these type of celebrities to the public, fans buy it because that's what's offered, it's what is marketed to us... A person's fame is not always because that's what is in demand.

We don't influence corporate America, The sick f*cks on top of the corporate empire influence us. And before you start talking about the Internet and the fame it can bring, try to remember what Big-Tech has done in the past few years.

little by little the country will become completely demoralized. If you want to believe in a Russia/Trump internet election conspiracy, but not an agenda to demoralize the nation, might want to get your conspiracy beliefs in order.... We don't even have to make this a religious debate, Some of the $hit the entertainment industry is serving the public is straight up demoralizing, and a massive operation of dumbing-down the public has clearly been going on ever since 9/11. that Russian KGB video that gets posted 100 times a year best describes how it works.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBRGCabaog


Spiritual Wickedness is a rabbit hole you may be afraid to go down... but from a psy-op perspective, makes sense for those on top to dumb-down the people on the bottom, and that would thus make the entertainment industry a very powerful weapon for the elitists in our government agencies.

it's just like the title of that retarded Eminem song: We Made You ... and that was about modern celebrities.

[Off the Court]

That post is all over the place lol. You're pretty much just an idiot though. Yeah there is plenty of demoralizing shit out there but it doesnt exist because Satan wanted Kylie Jenner to create a Nightmare on Elm Street themed line of lip gloss :oldlol:

You guys are the exact thing you accuse normal sane people of being. Gullible Sheep.

[Doomsday Dallas]

That post is all over the place lol. You're pretty much just an idiot though. Yeah there is plenty of demoralizing shit out there but it doesnt exist because Satan wanted Kylie Jenner to create a Nightmare on Elm Street themed line of lip gloss :oldlol:

You guys are the exact thing you accuse normal sane people of being. Gullible Sheep.



I tried to take religion out of it and give you a different perspective. Not even trying to talk about God or Satan.

I'm just pointing out that it's not completely random that we find ourselves living in a idiocracy,

they've been working overtime to make the children in this country dumb as $hit... morally bankrupt... and soon financially bankrupt as well, but at least they'll have all the children vaccinated.

I'm a Gullible Sheep too you say? Yea, count me as the type of sheep that wouldn't be caught dead at a Travis Scott concert, let alone let my 9 year old attend.

[bladefd]

Wait, is Doomsday saying Travis Scott is actually a demon? I thought he was using it as an analogy (or simile, I always confuse the two). I haven't read the whole thread and don't feel like it.

Yeah, if you mean that literally then you are pretty far out there. I don't listen to Travis Scott or think much of Kylie. They are pretty ignorant, narcissistic, selfish, fake, and greedy douchebags based on what I know about them, but demons? :facepalm

Religion is one of the more damaging things in our civilization, and it holds us back at times from enlightenment. Beliefs like those in the above paragraphs are the very opposite of pragmatism. It's possible you are trolling, but it doesn't seem like it to me.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Wait, is Doomsday saying Travis Scott is actually a demon?


When he was on stage, he let the spirits in for sure, Do I think he's like a non human physical demon? c'mon now. Travis Scott allows himself to get spiritually possessed, and he ain't the only one in Hollywood's entertainment industry doing it either.

It's more common to see spiritual possession with people in the music industry, because music is what invokes the spirits. What do you think those Native Indians and African Tribes are doing with their drums and chanting? They are drumming up the spirits, allowing themselves to be possessed. Sometimes psychedelic drugs can allow the spirits to take over. Or you can use a sweat lodge... but yes, many people are dabbling into that stuff and it's not as rare as you might you think. Witchcraft is more mainstream in places like Mexico... it stays hidden with the people in Hollywood, but a lot of celebrities are not even secretive about their faith in the Kabbalah (a form of mysticism or altered state of consciousness).

also... You can allow negative spirits to enter your body by drinking alcohol... That's why alcohol is literally referred to as "spirits".



but no Travis Scott is not a demon, he's definitely been possessed by them at times, but not an actual demon.

Christians claim to be spiritually possessed too, by the holy spirit, so I don't know why this is suddenly so outrageous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVke0mLqns

https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/938573.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

Wait, is Doomsday saying Travis Scott is actually a demon? I thought he was using it as an analogy (or simile, I always confuse the two). I haven't read the whole thread and don't feel like it.

Yeah, if you mean that literally then you are pretty far out there. I don't listen to Travis Scott or think much of Kylie. They are pretty ignorant, narcissistic, selfish, fake, and greedy douchebags based on what I know about them, but demons? :facepalm

Religion is one of the more damaging things in our civilization, and it holds us back at times from enlightenment. Beliefs like those in the above paragraphs are the very opposite of pragmatism. It's possible you are trolling, but it doesn't seem like it to me.



here's a religious nut giving a good break down of the whole thing. I think she does a good job.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEGEptGlSg

[theman93]

Whatever did happen that night was definitely evil.

The symbolism was clearly demonic, there's really no denying that. He also had the opportunity to put a full on stop to the concert when he saw the ambulance in the crowd. Instead he chose to not only keep going, but also instruct the crowd to put not one, but both middle fingers in the air. Why? Seems to me it was to blaspheme and mock God.

[Patrick Chewing]

Wait, is Doomsday saying Travis Scott is actually a demon? I thought he was using it as an analogy (or simile, I always confuse the two). I haven't read the whole thread and don't feel like it.

Yeah, if you mean that literally then you are pretty far out there. I don't listen to Travis Scott or think much of Kylie. They are pretty ignorant, narcissistic, selfish, fake, and greedy douchebags based on what I know about them, but demons? :facepalm

Religion is one of the more damaging things in our civilization, and it holds us back at times from enlightenment. Beliefs like those in the above paragraphs are the very opposite of pragmatism. It's possible you are trolling, but it doesn't seem like it to me.

Possession by demons, not an actual ****ing demon. Every culture across the globe talks about possession and demonic entities taking control of one's self if you let them in. We are living in a time where a nobody worthless and untalented piece of shit like Travis Scott can gather a massive amount of followers and put them into a frenzy to the point of self-harm and even death. Somewhat cult-ish.

You mock religion, and sure it has its flaws, but the closer one is to God, the closer one is to goodness, peace, and happiness. I have never met a miserable Christian or Jew.

[bladefd]

When he was on stage, he let the spirits in for sure, Do I think he's like a non human physical demon? c'mon now. Travis Scott allows himself to get spiritually possessed, and he ain't the only one in Hollywood's entertainment industry doing it either.

It's more common to see spiritual possession with people in the music industry, because music is what invokes the spirits. What do you think those Native Indians and African Tribes are doing with their drums and chanting? They are drumming up the spirits, allowing themselves to be possessed. Sometimes psychedelic drugs can allow the spirits to take over. Or you can use a sweat lodge... but yes, many people are dabbling into that stuff and it's not as rare as you might you think. Witchcraft is more mainstream in places like Mexico... it stays hidden with the people in Hollywood, but a lot of celebrities are not even secretive about their faith in the Kabbalah (a form of mysticism or altered state of consciousness).

also... You can allow negative spirits to enter your body by drinking alcohol... That's why alcohol is literally referred to as "spirits".



but no Travis Scott is not a demon, he's definitely been possessed by them at times, but not an actual demon.

Christians claim to be spiritually possessed too, by the holy spirit, so I don't know why this is suddenly so outrageous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVke0mLqns

https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/938573.jpg

There can be other explanations for those examples rather than demonic possession. Ever consider that?

A simpler explanation can be mental illness or drugs or behavioral issues. If you have multiple simpler explanations in front of you that explain something then why must you subscribe to demonic possession or other supernatural phenomena? There is no evidence whatsoever for spirits or souls. Why complicate things more than they have to be?



As for pattychew's post.. Why do you need to be religious to believe in goodness, peace and happiness?? Why can't you just be happy and good without being religious?

Why does god have to be this mythological being with powers? Why can't god just be life, humanity, laws of physics, the universe? There is no evidence of a God as an independent entity existing beyond the confines of the universe. Why must there?? The universe is spectacular, beautiful and wonderful without employing a superbeing or these fairy tales or feel-good stories we tell ourselves.

[SATAN]

yea... that's what they always say.

there's always a reason why it's harmless fun.

same thing applies to the Heavy Metal era... harmless Satanic fun.

The stuff I assume you're talking about was actually a direct push back against the batshit crazy religious hypocrites, their biggotry and fear mongering. And the funniest part about it is the dawn of the "Satanic Panic". Christians scared shitless being brainwashed by the media. Now it's another form of media. :facepalm

And how are you going to pretend what you're saying in here has no religious connection when words like "demon", satanic" & "demonic" are being thrown around. :biggums:

Also, mental illness has always existed within every culture. Who knew? And yes, many people in the entertainment industry have issues, inflated egos and substance abuse issues. Doesn't make them possessed by a dark spiritual force.

Burning "witches" is more "demonic" than anything mentioned in this thread. Catholics abusing and murdering children is more "demonic" than anything mentioned in this thread.

Holding people accountable is much more effective than blaming something that has never been proven real.

Also, dark themes in art have ALWAYS existed. (I know how you might twist that, don't bother) :lol

[TheMan]

When he was on stage, he let the spirits in for sure, Do I think he's like a non human physical demon? c'mon now. Travis Scott allows himself to get spiritually possessed, and he ain't the only one in Hollywood's entertainment industry doing it either.

It's more common to see spiritual possession with people in the music industry, because music is what invokes the spirits. What do you think those Native Indians and African Tribes are doing with their drums and chanting? They are drumming up the spirits, allowing themselves to be possessed. Sometimes psychedelic drugs can allow the spirits to take over. Or you can use a sweat lodge... but yes, many people are dabbling into that stuff and it's not as rare as you might you think. Witchcraft is more mainstream in places like Mexico... it stays hidden with the people in Hollywood, but a lot of celebrities are not even secretive about their faith in the Kabbalah (a form of mysticism or altered state of consciousness).

also... You can allow negative spirits to enter your body by drinking alcohol... That's why alcohol is literally referred to as "spirits".



but no Travis Scott is not a demon, he's definitely been possessed by them at times, but not an actual demon.

Christians claim to be spiritually possessed too, by the holy spirit, so I don't know why this is suddenly so outrageous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LVke0mLqns

https://wallpaperaccess.com/full/938573.jpg

Actually it's not for the simple reason that almost 90% of the population is Roman Catholic and that's really frowned upon and prohibited by the church. If it's practiced, it's done by few and behind closed doors, unlike in the US where there a people who openly practice Wicca.

[Patrick Chewing]

There can be other explanations for those examples rather than demonic possession. Ever consider that?

A simpler explanation can be mental illness or drugs or behavioral issues. If you have multiple simpler explanations in front of you that explain something then why must you subscribe to demonic possession or other supernatural phenomena? There is no evidence whatsoever for spirits or souls. Why complicate things more than they have to be?



As for pattychew's post.. Why do you need to be religious to believe in goodness, peace and happiness?? Why can't you just be happy and good without being religious?

Why does god have to be this mythological being with powers? Why can't god just be life, humanity, laws of physics, the universe? There is no evidence of a God as an independent entity existing beyond the confines of the universe. Why must there?? The universe is spectacular, beautiful and wonderful without employing a superbeing or these fairy tales or feel-good stories we tell ourselves.

There is plenty of evidence of intelligent design. Your membership in the club of heathens called the Democrat Party just prevents you from realizing and accepting this. The Party is your Church. And please tell me how Jesus being crucified and killed by the Romans is a fairy tale or a feel good story.

[n00bie]

Travis Scott is a dumbass.. but also, I'm wondering if he was staring at the body while singing because he was confused asf and was wondering what was going on.. while at the same time he didn't want to stop the show to cause panic.. so he just carried on mindlessly singing?

Just a thought.

[theman93]

As for pattychew's post.. Why do you need to be religious to believe in goodness, peace and happiness?? Why can't you just be happy and good without being religious?

You don't have to be religious to believe in those things. However from your atheistic or agnostic world view, you have no standard to justify what "goodness" and "peace" even is. The pedophile finds it good and moral to rape children and it brings him peace. Is he wrong? By what standard?


Why does god have to be this mythological being with powers? Why can't god just be life, humanity, laws of physics, the universe? There is no evidence of a God as an independent entity existing beyond the confines of the universe. Why must there?? The universe is spectacular, beautiful and wonderful without employing a superbeing or these fairy tales or feel-good stories we tell ourselves.

Sure there is. The universe - space, time, and matter - can't come from itself. Therefor space, time, and matter must have come from an entity outside the bounds of those limits. God cannot be life, humanity, laws of physics, and the universe because that is creation and God is the creator.

There is no such thing as spectacular, beauty, and wonder in the atheistic and agnostic world view because you have no standard for any of those things. The only way you do is if you borrow from the biblical world view, which you do every second you're alive.

You mention laws of physics. That can only come from a universe that is constant with uniformity in nature, but you only get that if you cling to the world view you reject. What you have at the foundation of your atheistic or agnostic world view is time and chance acting on matter. You wouldn't even be able to reliably practice science if the atheistic or agnostic world view were to be true because you have no way to justify the future will be like the past. Simply put, your presupposition fails to give a justification to the principle of induction.

At the end of the day when we get to what's ultimate, all you are left with at the bottom of your world view is, as famous atheist Richard Dawkins says, "The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." No good. No evil. No design. No purpose. But you will go all the days of your life as if all those things are all real. Why? Because you can't escape God.

[ArbitraryWater]

they always want it to be the simple explanation



of travis was humming weird shit while looking at a dead body?

dude he's on drugs thats all


people randomly get carried off in seemingly calm places of the concert at various places? they were crushed no one noticed

[tpols]

The funny thing is if you believe in science you would believe in a spiritual realm because quantum physics tells us there are many different dimensions. Some posters in here are falsely equating it to only religion.

[bladefd]

There is plenty of evidence of intelligent design. Your membership in the club of heathens called the Democrat Party just prevents you from realizing and accepting this. The Party is your Church. And please tell me how Jesus being crucified and killed by the Romans is a fairy tale or a feel good story.

What evidence is there for intelligent design?

I have looked into Jesus' story before from a historical perspective. We don't even know for certain if Jesus existed. There are 2 sources afaik talking about him being wise and doing miracles - one was from decades later and other was a century later. The latter certainly had no chance of meeting him. The former makes you wonder why did he wait decades to talk about it and why are there no other more recent sources backing him up rather than only him multiple decades later? You would think that a person doing all of these miracles and magic would have more real-time sources rather than decades later. Why are there no Roman sources of Roman senators or wealthy Romans? Paper was available for the wealthy and even middle class folks back then.

Why are there no real-time sources such as historians talking about him while he was living? Monks were often documenting history and a magical man goes completely under the radar for so long?

Romans did crucify lots of people back then for different reasons, some just to be cruel. Innocent people were often being crucified for stupid reasons like a Roman sergeant feeling like it. It's possible that an innocent man was crucified and his stories were slowly exaggerated over time until people had him walking on water and coming back from the dead. Many of his qualities are those that we also find in religions and cultures predating Christianity - we can look to the ancient Greeks, Hindus, Egyptians, Babylonia for other mythological people doing very similar things. Dionysus (sp), Krishna, Osiris, etc. The story of Jesus is not unique whatsoever.

We humans have a tendency of telling ourselves stories and deceiving ourselves/others in these tales to feel good about ourselves & giving hope. It's nothing new that we have been doing since forever.

[bladefd]

The funny thing is if you believe in science you would believe in a spiritual realm because quantum physics tells us there are many different dimensions. Some posters in here are falsely equating it to only religion.

What does having different dimensions have anything to do with a spiritual realm? A spiritual realm is not necessary to have multiple dimensions.

We are 3 dimensional beings (length, width, height) who can experience the 4th dimension, which is time. We are theorizing of there being up to 11 dimensions as part of the string theory (might be more or less, hard to say).

[Lakers Legend#32]

and if you summon it based on your internal hate, your internal rage, you will then bask in it.

Poopsie's projecting again.

[Patrick Chewing]

What evidence is there for intelligent design?

I have looked into Jesus' story before from a historical perspective. We don't even know for certain if Jesus existed. There are 2 sources afaik talking about him being wise and doing miracles - one was from decades later and other was a century later. The latter certainly had no chance of meeting him. The former makes you wonder why did he wait decades to talk about it and why are there no other more recent sources backing him up rather than only him multiple decades later? You would think that a person doing all of these miracles and magic would have more real-time sources rather than decades later. Why are there no Roman sources of Roman senators or wealthy Romans? Paper was available for the wealthy and even middle class folks back then.

Why are there no real-time sources such as historians talking about him while he was living? Monks were often documenting history and a magical man goes completely under the radar for so long?

Romans did crucify lots of people back then for different reasons, some just to be cruel. Innocent people were often being crucified for stupid reasons like a Roman sergeant feeling like it. It's possible that an innocent man was crucified and his stories were slowly exaggerated over time until people had him walking on water and coming back from the dead. Many of his qualities are those that we also find in religions and cultures predating Christianity - we can look to the ancient Greeks, Hindus, Egyptians, Babylonia for other mythological people doing very similar things. Dionysus (sp), Krishna, Osiris, etc. The story of Jesus is not unique whatsoever.

We humans have a tendency of telling ourselves stories and deceiving ourselves/others in these tales to feel good about ourselves & giving hope. It's nothing new that we have been doing since forever.

So everything that you believe is not a story, and everything that you don't believe in is definitely a fabricated story?

Here's your evidence for intelligent design: https://www.discovery.org/a/sixfold-evidence-for-intelligent-design/


And before you decry that it's speculative evidence, well no shit Sherlock, everything in Science is pretty much speculative.


Secondly, I hope you know that the existence of Jesus whether true or not in your eyes has nothing to do with a belief in God or intelligent design either.

[AKA_AAP]

I'm not embarrassed to admit that when I heard the name Travis Scott and saw that it was in Houston during the Astroworld Festival that I for sure thought he was a country singer, I was shocked to see how wrong I was. :lol

Racism and left-wingers go hand in hand.

[tpols]

What does having different dimensions have anything to do with a spiritual realm? A spiritual realm is not necessary to have multiple dimensions.

We are 3 dimensional beings (length, width, height) who can experience the 4th dimension, which is time. We are theorizing of there being up to 11 dimensions as part of the string theory (might be more or less, hard to say).

How do you think you get to a different dimension? You physically walk there? Its a transfer of consciousness. Exactly how spiritual transfers work.

There's tremendous evidence all over the internet and from leaders of every major civilization that support different dimensions of existence than just a physical earthly realm. And even science backs it in quantum theory. Your scientists are the new priests though. You have blind faith in their word just like people used to have for priests.

Blade, you sound like a middle school kid who just came to the realization that not everything you were taught in religious class or by your parents was to be taken literally. Like that contrarian punk phase all teenagers go through you're still stuck in it.

[BurningHammer]

Racism and left-wingers go hand in hand.

KKK are left-wingers? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

KKK are left-wingers? :confusedshrug:

KKK is a Democrat creation.


In any event, Left-Wingers outnumber the KKK and have proven themselves to be racist as hell.

[Gohan]

Trick and doomsday shutting it down in this thread. If yall dont see something demonic about that shit yall are blind. How can yall fall for the trick of not believing in god? Thats what ghe devil wants you to do. He is the god of this evil world that blinds the minds of unbelievers

[SATAN]

The funny thing is if you believe in science you would believe in a spiritual realm because quantum physics tells us there are many different dimensions. Some posters in here are falsely equating it to only religion.

What a ****ing stupid thing to say.

[SATAN]

How can yall fall for the trick of not believing in god? Thats what ghe devil wants you to do.

Calling out religious nut jobs for their ignorant bullshit isn't denying their is a creator. You idiots are do stupid it's unbelievable.

[SATAN]

So everything that you believe is not a story, and everything that you don't believe in is definitely a fabricated story?

Here's your evidence for intelligent design: https://www.discovery.org/a/sixfold-evidence-for-intelligent-design/


And before you decry that it's speculative evidence, well no shit Sherlock, everything in Science is pretty much speculative.


Secondly, I hope you know that the existence of Jesus whether true or not in your eyes has nothing to do with a belief in God or intelligent design either.

:facepalm

[theman93]

What evidence is there for intelligent design?

This is pretty simple actually. Because of the impossible to the contrary. At the foundation of the atheistic/agnostic/naturalist-materialistic world view is time and chance acting on matter. You, me, and everything else are just bags of star dust floating aimlessly around the cosmos. In that world view, you lack the necessary preconditions to make sense of the world around you. You can't justify the principle of induction. You can't justify future experiences will be like the past. This makes it impossible for you to do science, practice medicine, build a bridge, manufacture cars, perform surgeries, or anything else because without intelligent design from a Creator you don't have uniformity in nature.


I have looked into Jesus' story before from a historical perspective. We don't even know for certain if Jesus existed. There are 2 sources afaik talking about him being wise and doing miracles - one was from decades later and other was a century later. The latter certainly had no chance of meeting him. The former makes you wonder why did he wait decades to talk about it and why are there no other more recent sources backing him up rather than only him multiple decades later? You would think that a person doing all of these miracles and magic would have more real-time sources rather than decades later. Why are there no Roman sources of Roman senators or wealthy Romans? Paper was available for the wealthy and even middle class folks back then.

Why are there no real-time sources such as historians talking about him while he was living? Monks were often documenting history and a magical man goes completely under the radar for so long?

Romans did crucify lots of people back then for different reasons, some just to be cruel. Innocent people were often being crucified for stupid reasons like a Roman sergeant feeling like it. It's possible that an innocent man was crucified and his stories were slowly exaggerated over time until people had him walking on water and coming back from the dead. Many of his qualities are those that we also find in religions and cultures predating Christianity - we can look to the ancient Greeks, Hindus, Egyptians, Babylonia for other mythological people doing very similar things. Dionysus (sp), Krishna, Osiris, etc. The story of Jesus is not unique whatsoever.

We humans have a tendency of telling ourselves stories and deceiving ourselves/others in these tales to feel good about ourselves & giving hope. It's nothing new that we have been doing since forever.

Except we do have real-time sources. The gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. All historical figures, all who died a martyrs death, all who share the same testimony. The Apostle Paul also references Jesus' earthly life in a multitude of letters ~50-60 years after his death. He also died a martyrs death preaching the same message. He too is a historical figure.

Denying Jesus' existence isn't even something atheistic scholars do. Not a single academic scholar today with a Ph.D. in a relevant field of study claims that Jesus did not exist. In fact they all conclude that Jesus did in fact existence. For your own research, the following are either scholars who are atheists, lack belief in God, or non-Christians who affirm the existence of Jesus beyond any doubt: Joseph Hoffman, Bart Ehrman, Gerd Ludemann, John Dominic Crossan, Michael Grant, Ed Parish Sanders, Geza Vermes, George Albert Wells, Marcus Borg, Edwin Judge, Graeme Clarke.

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm

You're an idiot.

[bladefd]

So everything that you believe is not a story, and everything that you don't believe in is definitely a fabricated story?

Here's your evidence for intelligent design: https://www.discovery.org/a/sixfold-evidence-for-intelligent-design/


And before you decry that it's speculative evidence, well no shit Sherlock, everything in Science is pretty much speculative.


Secondly, I hope you know that the existence of Jesus whether true or not in your eyes has nothing to do with a belief in God or intelligent design either.

I'm not religious. I don't have religious beliefs for or against. I'm a skeptic asking for evidence when others make these spectacular claims of religion. I didn't say all those religions are fabricated stories, just that it's awfully difficult to take these stories at face value. I do know about human nature, and we have a tendency to exaggerate & have wonderful imaginations.

We are good storytellers at heart and have been telling stories for ages, beginning couple million years ago. There was no written language until like 5,000 years ago, but hundreds of thousands of years was only oral languages. I bet there were very imaginative and wonderful village elders who used to sit around fires and tell these great stories, often exaggerated to add entertainment and shock value. Those stories of Osiris and Krishna and Dionysus are probably nothing new either and probably re-tellings of other characters going back thousands of years in oral stories somewhere in African plains or Mongolian plateaus or Indian riverlands or Viking glacier lands.

As for your link..
You don't need a first cause for Big Bang to require a creator. There are ways around it. We believe now that there are multiverses (multiple universes), possibly like infinite bubbles in a great infinite soup. It seems plausible that universes get born and die over and over again, fed off each other.

As for the 2nd.. it's very much possible that so many universes form, but most don't make it. Think of evolution. Many members of a species but the fittest survive due to certain advantages that work better than others. Evolution is already a thing in nature and could easily apply on large scale.

3rd.. you don't need intelligent design for life to exist. If the conditions are right on a planet, life could arise and evolve into more complex organisms. Miller-Urey experiment showed that amino acids, which are necessary for life, can form out of inorganic substances. https://phys.org/news/2009-09-scientists-hypothesis-life.html

4th.. the argument completely disregards evolution as a possibility. Over the past 165 years, many people have tried to disprove Darwin's theory of evolution, and nobody has succeeded. It's one of the most powerful and evidence-backed scientific theories that we have at our disposal. Probably right up there will Newton's scientific theory of Gravity.

5th.. Here's a question. Why did an intelligent designer design a playground in the same location as the waste disposal? Neil deGrasse Tyson always asks that. Which engineer did that and decide to place the baby birth site around the same location?

6th.. No, human existence didn't appear abruptly. There were many different species that came into existence and died out in between our homo sapiens species and apes 5-6 million years ago (arguably 8+ million years). That entire argument is disingenuous and intentionally ignores all those species of humans found existing before our species. It derails their entire argument.

Stephen Meyer keeps getting cited.. The same moron who thinks humans and dinosaurs lived together. Ken Ham also comes from the same group of fools as Stephen Meyer. Bill Nye destroyed Ham in a public debate.

I didn't bring up intelligent design when talking about Jesus/religion. You brought it up.

[SATAN]

You're an idiot.

Meltdown.

[bladefd]

How do you think you get to a different dimension? You physically walk there? Its a transfer of consciousness. Exactly how spiritual transfers work.

There's tremendous evidence all over the internet and from leaders of every major civilization that support different dimensions of existence than just a physical earthly realm. And even science backs it in quantum theory. Your scientists are the new priests though. You have blind faith in their word just like people used to have for priests.

Blade, you sound like a middle school kid who just came to the realization that not everything you were taught in religious class or by your parents was to be taken literally. Like that contrarian punk phase all teenagers go through you're still stuck in it.

You don't understand what they mean by dimensions. It's very clear to me from reading your 1st question. I know exactly what you are referring to - you are referring to the layman term of dimension like in The Twilight Zone. People often make that mistake and you are not alone. People make the same mistake when it comes to layman term 'theory' versus 'scientific Theory' (both are very different things even though both use the word theory). One of my classes had this exact discussion years ago - the professor seemed pretty frustrated by having to explain the difference over and over again to people between things like layman term theory and scientific Theory.

No, they are not talking about that sort of dimension. They are talking about length, height, width, time, and forth. Each of those 4 things are dimensions. The first 3 dimensions are often combined into space, so you end up with 'spacetime'. I don't think we give names to dimensions beyond time. We just call it dimension [n], and those other dimensions exist only mathematically for now. We don't know if we have any way to experiment with them if they do exist in reality.

Again, what you are thinking about is 'alternate realities' or 'realms' rather than mathematical/scientific dimensions. Yes, both can be referred to as dimension, but it's a very very different thing you are talking about than the dimension scientists are talking about in say string theory/quantum physics or physics in general. There is absolutely no evidence for 'realms', and no scientist is working on that in quantum physics. It falls more under pseudoscience.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_5FRHPltE


this Pearl Jam $hit ain't no coincidence either.

I know most people will dismiss this one... But this is some clear cut foreshadowing.

Travis Scott just happens to release a new music video "escape plan" the same day of the AstroWorld tragedy, wearing a Pearl Jam shirt.... and Pearl Jam had a concert in 2000 where 9 people died.



Do you think the people that knew disaster awaited at the AstroWorld event did a little bit of research ahead of time on concert fatalities and saw Pearl Jam on the list?

To me, this is clear as day evidence that Travis Scott's handlers knew people were going to die at this event, and what better way to give us another masonic clue but by having Travis Scott wear a Pearl Jam shirt in his new music video, released the same day of the tragedy. Unreal.


https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/wHVdDyAgU/0x0/travis-scott-astroworld-pearl-jam-stampede-number-8-eyeball-escape-plan-video-03-1636576596551.jpg

https://ericryangrant.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/pearl-jam-roskilde-newspaper.jpg



What are the f*cking odds?

[Riddler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_5FRHPltE

https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/wHVdDyAgU/0x0/travis-scott-astroworld-pearl-jam-stampede-number-8-eyeball-escape-plan-video-03-1636576596551.jpg

https://ericryangrant.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/pearl-jam-roskilde-newspaper.jpg

What are the f*cking odds?


Now that's some crazy Riddler $hit right there.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_5FRHPltE


this Pearl Jam $hit ain't no coincidence either.

I know most people will dismiss this one... But this is some clear cut foreshadowing.

Travis Scott just happens to release a new music video "escape plan" the same day of the AstroWorld tragedy, wearing a Pearl Jam shirt.... and Pearl Jam had a concert in 2000 where 9 people died.



Do you think the people that knew disaster awaited at the AstroWorld event did a little bit of research ahead of time on concert fatalities and saw Pearl Jam on the list?

To me, this is clear as day evidence that Travis Scott's handlers knew people were going to die at this event, and what better way to give us another masonic clue but by having Travis Scott wear a Pearl Jam shirt in his new music video, released the same day of the tragedy. Unreal.


https://media.radaronline.com/brand-img/wHVdDyAgU/0x0/travis-scott-astroworld-pearl-jam-stampede-number-8-eyeball-escape-plan-video-03-1636576596551.jpg

https://ericryangrant.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/pearl-jam-roskilde-newspaper.jpg



What are the f*cking odds?

Interesting...Got any dirt on MJ?

[BurningHammer]

https://www.avclub.com/police-confirm-no-one-was-stabbed-with-drugs-at-astro-1848036108

:ohwell:

[Patrick Chewing]

You don't need a first cause for Big Bang to require a creator. There are ways around it. We believe now that there are multiverses (multiple universes), possibly like infinite bubbles in a great infinite soup. It seems plausible that universes get born and die over and over again, fed off each other.



And how do they get born? You haven't made the case for the spark, the beginning.


What are the ways around creation?

[bladefd]

And how do they get born? You haven't made the case for the spark, the beginning.


What are the ways around creation?

How are what born? The universe? I already told you. Two universe could have clashed with each other, creating our universe out of the clashing pieces of the two multiverses. That's just one possibility that doesn't require creationism. There are other possibilities out there as well, some more exotic like the idea that each black hole is a wormhole to a new universe. New universes get created all the time. I just gave you 2 possibilities that don't require creationism.

If you say God created the universe then you end up with the same exact issue. Who created God? If you say God has always been there, why can't the multiverses always be there?

[Patrick Chewing]

How are what born? The universe? I already told you. Two universe could have clashed with each other, creating our universe out of the clashing pieces of the two multiverses. That's just one possibility that doesn't require creationism. There are other possibilities out there as well, some more exotic like the idea that each black hole is a wormhole to a new universe. New universes get created all the time. I just gave you 2 possibilities that don't require creationism.

If you say God created the universe then you end up with the same exact issue. Who created God? If you say God has always been there, why can't the multiverses always be there?

I see, you and I are going to go around due to your refusal to accept a belief in a creator or in intelligent design. But that's fine, to each his own. So when you die, you cease from existence? You don't believe in an afterlife? How bleak.

[bladefd]

I see, you and I are going to go around due to your refusal to accept a belief in a creator or in intelligent design. But that's fine, to each his own. So when you die, you cease from existence? You don't believe in an afterlife? How bleak.

Yes, you cease from existence. What do you remember from before you were born? Nothing at all, right? You will enter the same state after death as you were before you were born. That gives life even more meaning to me to care about life, world, people. I will not be here tomorrow so make the best of it today and live on in the memories of others. For as long as they exist, I exist.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yes, you cease from existence. What do you remember from before you were born? Nothing at all, right?

Oh brother I have heard that line so many times it's comical. I don't remember before I was born because I wasn't ****ing born yet. That is, when God determined that I should have been born. Something traumatizing happened to you in your life to make you this way. And you're actually talking to a former Atheist himself. And the problem I have with Atheists is that they ALL display this immoral quality in thinking that they know it all and are smarter than those who believe. That they are wiser than all of the people and scholars before them. Wiser than all of the priests and theologians that came before them who have dedicated their lives to religion and to share with the world the existence of God and in the existence of another realm that awaits us after we die. That they, these Atheists, in their brief existence here on Earth, are so sure that there is nothing and will always be nothing, that they cannot be bothered with expanding their mind beyond the realm of what's in front of them. And it was that cockiness that I couldn't stand as an Atheist that turned me away from that perverse way of thinking that we know more than those that came before us. A pathetic feeling that God is out of style. That he is no longer relevant in today's society. I always looked at religious people as beneath me, and instead of being happy in their company, I wanted them out of my sight. And that wasn't a good feeling. If I should have been at peace with my beliefs, then why wasn't I at peace with theirs? And make no mistake, I feel at peace with you not believing, for I was there and I honestly feel that you are either lost, or you just have cloudy vision in front of you, and you're not sure what path to take. And that's perfectly alright.

There is a difference between hardcore religious nutjobs, and between people who are spiritual and have their own connection with God. People who abide to the Commandments and who overall live a good life. I always challenge non-believers to first start researching NDE's and then focus on the ones who have no logical explanation.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Does anyone really believe Fatrick is a Christian?

[Patrick Chewing]

Does anyone really believe Fatrick is a Christian?

Does anyone believe you're not a complete f*cktard?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Fatrick is too old to even know who Travis Scott is.

[AlternativeAcc.]

You don't understand what they mean by dimensions. It's very clear to me from reading your 1st question. I know exactly what you are referring to - you are referring to the layman term of dimension like in The Twilight Zone. People often make that mistake and you are not alone. People make the same mistake when it comes to layman term 'theory' versus 'scientific Theory' (both are very different things even though both use the word theory). One of my classes had this exact discussion years ago - the professor seemed pretty frustrated by having to explain the difference over and over again to people between things like layman term theory and scientific Theory.

No, they are not talking about that sort of dimension. They are talking about length, height, width, time, and forth. Each of those 4 things are dimensions. The first 3 dimensions are often combined into space, so you end up with 'spacetime'. I don't think we give names to dimensions beyond time. We just call it dimension [n], and those other dimensions exist only mathematically for now. We don't know if we have any way to experiment with them if they do exist in reality.

Again, what you are thinking about is 'alternate realities' or 'realms' rather than mathematical/scientific dimensions. Yes, both can be referred to as dimension, but it's a very very different thing you are talking about than the dimension scientists are talking about in say string theory/quantum physics or physics in general. There is absolutely no evidence for 'realms', and no scientist is working on that in quantum physics. It falls more under pseudoscience.
Blade with some ether lol

[bladefd]

Oh brother I have heard that line so many times it's comical. I don't remember before I was born because I wasn't ****ing born yet. That is, when God determined that I should have been born. Something traumatizing happened to you in your life to make you this way. And you're actually talking to a former Atheist himself. And the problem I have with Atheists is that they ALL display this immoral quality in thinking that they know it all and are smarter than those who believe. That they are wiser than all of the people and scholars before them. Wiser than all of the priests and theologians that came before them who have dedicated their lives to religion and to share with the world the existence of God and in the existence of another realm that awaits us after we die. That they, these Atheists, in their brief existence here on Earth, are so sure that there is nothing and will always be nothing, that they cannot be bothered with expanding their mind beyond the realm of what's in front of them. And it was that cockiness that I couldn't stand as an Atheist that turned me away from that perverse way of thinking that we know more than those that came before us. A pathetic feeling that God is out of style. That he is no longer relevant in today's society. I always looked at religious people as beneath me, and instead of being happy in their company, I wanted them out of my sight. And that wasn't a good feeling. If I should have been at peace with my beliefs, then why wasn't I at peace with theirs? And make no mistake, I feel at peace with you not believing, for I was there and I honestly feel that you are either lost, or you just have cloudy vision in front of you, and you're not sure what path to take. And that's perfectly alright.

There is a difference between hardcore religious nutjobs, and between people who are spiritual and have their own connection with God. People who abide to the Commandments and who overall live a good life. I always challenge non-believers to first start researching NDE's and then focus on the ones who have no logical explanation.

There is nothing special or unique about any of us. We are just an individual on this mote of dust. I'm not wiser or better than anyone. We are here for a mere moment of time, and that's what scares people. People invented all these religions to give their life meaning, to seem important/unique, and to calm their fear of death. The Church lost its mind for centuries when it ran into the concept that the Earth is not at the center of the universe. Most of these beliefs rely heavily on humans being special and the universe revolving around us. Islam blows a gasket when someone draws Muhammad. Hinduism relies heavily on astrology and karma/reincarnation. Buddhism is the only major religion that is a little different - Buddha said he wasn't God, but those who came later began to push Buddhism into the pseudoscience hole.

Anyways, I'm not saying there isn't a God. I don't know, and none of these religions know either. I ultimately require evidence, and the onus is on these religions to provide it to back their claim. I don't see anything compelling that I would consider evidence. Regardless, none of that is necessary to live a full life, to enjoy, hope, dream. Pseudosciences, mysticism, none of it is necessary to live a full ethical life.

Make the best of your time, and live an ethical life not because you are scared of King God. Live an ethical life because that's the right way to live. I donate money not because I want to go to heaven or because I fear God or because I want to reincarnate as the next Einstein. I do it because I want to help people and it's the right thing to do.

Yes, atheism might allow people like Hitler and Stalin to exist because they believed nothing would happen to them if they didn't believe in the afterlife or reincarnation. But you can't let the worst of society scare you into being religious or dictate your actions. For every Hitler and Stalin, there is an Einstein and Beethoven. Einstein wasn't religious (unless if you consider his universe is God view - pantheism) and neither was Beethoven, but these guys changed the world for the better. There have been plenty of loud-mouthed religious people who were also evil so being religious has nothing to do with whether you are honorable or a evil scandalous fraud.

[Gohan]

Does anyone really believe Fatrick is a Christian?

As much as kkktrick and i disagree on political views we def agree on this topic. Blade is on that dope, theres def a creator and hes present on this earth now believe it or not :)

[SATAN]

Oh brother I have heard that line so many times it's comical. I don't remember before I was born because I wasn't ****ing born yet. That is, when God determined that I should have been born. Something traumatizing happened to you in your life to make you this way. And you're actually talking to a former Atheist himself. And the problem I have with Atheists is that they ALL display this immoral quality in thinking that they know it all and are smarter than those who believe. That they are wiser than all of the people and scholars before them. Wiser than all of the priests and theologians that came before them who have dedicated their lives to religion and to share with the world the existence of God and in the existence of another realm that awaits us after we die. That they, these Atheists, in their brief existence here on Earth, are so sure that there is nothing and will always be nothing, that they cannot be bothered with expanding their mind beyond the realm of what's in front of them. And it was that cockiness that I couldn't stand as an Atheist that turned me away from that perverse way of thinking that we know more than those that came before us. A pathetic feeling that God is out of style. That he is no longer relevant in today's society. I always looked at religious people as beneath me, and instead of being happy in their company, I wanted them out of my sight. And that wasn't a good feeling. If I should have been at peace with my beliefs, then why wasn't I at peace with theirs? And make no mistake, I feel at peace with you not believing, for I was there and I honestly feel that you are either lost, or you just have cloudy vision in front of you, and you're not sure what path to take. And that's perfectly alright.

There is a difference between hardcore religious nutjobs, and between people who are spiritual and have their own connection with God. People who abide to the Commandments and who overall live a good life. I always challenge non-believers to first start researching NDE's and then focus on the ones who have no logical explanation.

This is one of the dumbest posts ever.

[BurningHammer]

This is one of the dumbest posts ever.

It is intriguing to see idiots wasting time with a lot of words. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

It is intriguing to see idiots wasting time with a lot of words. :oldlol:

You waste time watching wrestling. What are you, 40? Wrestling died in the 90's bro. Vince killed it. Time to grow up, cupcake.

[TheMan]

Fatrick is too old to even know who Travis Scott is.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, I didn't know who was either and I've seen some of his music videos and so far not at all impressed :confusedshrug:

[BurningHammer]

You waste time watching wrestling. What are you, 40? Wrestling died in the 90's bro. Vince killed it. Time to grow up, cupcake.

Watching pro wrestling is a much better way to wasting time than griefing strangers on an obscured message board though. :oldlol: