is lebrons "longevity" overrated

[HunterSThompson]

in year 16 lebron missed the playoffs while in year 16 kobe led his team to one of the top records

then kobe was 1st team all nba and arguably the real MVP of the league in 2013 in his 17th season while lebron wasn't even the mvp on his own team in his 17th season for 90% of the season and didn't outshine davis till the finals..

in year 18 he lost to Devin booker in the 1st round but was obviously better than post Achilles rupture kobe. but not enough to be relevant either

now in year 19 he's washed up like kobe was

so all the steroids in the world only really got lebron 1 more playoff series of relevance past when kobes Achilles rupture happened and it came against a 5th seed


now obviously lebrons averages are way better past year 17 but he's still unavailable most of the time and his teams are trash so what is it all for? to catch Kareem? will he? he's gonna miss another 2 months and then what if the Lakers are out of the playoff picture this season and he does another 2019 quit after activating playoff mode. it's seriously up in the air at this point considering the Lakers have Westbrook and Davis who are way younger and in year 20 lebron will be lucky to average 20 points. he can't get to the basket anymore. the new rules exposed him. hell he can't even make his threes now either. and when he comes back after 2 months his timing will be even worse.

so sure roiding got lebron a few more points but in reality what separated him from kobe and MJ in totals was coming into the nba on a shit team at 18 years old and having a green light to shoot as many times as he wanted. if he came out of college or sat on the bench his first 2 years he's still around 32,000 points right now

[SouBeachTalents]

No

[RRR3]

Kobe being MVP in 2013 is retarded even by Kenny’s standards.

[HunterSThompson]

and what's lebrons "contending" run.. 2009 to 2020 with 1 bad year inbetween

12 years minus 1 is 11 years


kobe contended from 1998 to 2012 as an allstar with 3 bad years inbetween

so 15 years minus 3 is 12 and it shoulda been 13 or more without the Achilles rupture

kobe contended for a longer period of time as an elite player


he also beat 24 teams with 50+ wins to lebrons 14 in the pathetic east

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe being MVP in 2013 is retarded even by Kenny’s standards.

he dragged an injured lakers team to the playoffs and tore his Achilles filling in for nash playing the most minutes of his career in year 17 and hit 10 game winners.. rhe lakers had the 2nd best record in the nba after the break


Miami makes the finals without LeBron in 2013 lol

[TheGoatest]

he dragged an injured lakers team to the playoffs and tore his Achilles filling in for nash playing the most minutes of his career in year 17 and hit 10 game winners.. rhe lakers had the 2nd best record in the nba after the break


Miami makes the finals without LeBron in 2013 lol

The Lakers clinched the 8th playoff spot while Kobe was officially on the injured list, winning their last two games without him.
Kobe in his 19th season was shooting .373 on 20.4 shots.
Durant coming back from his achilles injury and playing well like he does currently only makes Kobe's abysmal seasons look worse in retrospect. There's also the example of Dominique coming back from the same injury and averaging 30. Kobe's latter years were beyond putrid. Wizards Jordan was pretty terrible as well.

Meanwhile LeBron won his 4th Finals MVP when he was 6 months older than Jordan was when he won that 4.0 rpg and 2.3 apg Finals MVP in 1998.

In terms of age, only Kareem matches LeBron's longevity.
In terms of seasons played (what he did in his 17th, 18th and 19th seasons), nobody comes remotely close to LeBron.

[k0kakw0rld]

in year 16 lebron missed the playoffs while in year 16 kobe led his team to one of the top records

then kobe was 1st team all nba and arguably the real MVP of the league in 2013 in his 17th season while lebron wasn't even the mvp on his own team in his 17th season for 90% of the season and didn't outshine davis till the finals..

in year 18 he lost to Devin booker in the 1st round but was obviously better than post Achilles rupture kobe. but not enough to be relevant either

now in year 19 he's washed up like kobe was

so all the steroids in the world only really got lebron 1 more playoff series of relevance past when kobes Achilles rupture happened and it came against a 5th seed


now obviously lebrons averages are way better past year 17 but he's still unavailable most of the time and his teams are trash so what is it all for? to catch Kareem? will he? he's gonna miss another 2 months and then what if the Lakers are out of the playoff picture this season and he does another 2019 quit after activating playoff mode. it's seriously up in the air at this point considering the Lakers have Westbrook and Davis who are way younger and in year 20 lebron will be lucky to average 20 points. he can't get to the basket anymore. the new rules exposed him. hell he can't even make his threes now either. and when he comes back after 2 months his timing will be even worse.

so sure roiding got lebron a few more points but in reality what separated him from kobe and MJ in totals was coming into the nba on a shit team at 18 years old and having a green light to shoot as many times as he wanted. if he came out of college or sat on the bench his first 2 years he's still around 32,000 points right now
Shut the fk up moron. Like MJ didnt average 28ppg his rookie year. Kobe was just not good enough when he got in the league, he had potential yes. He had to jack up shots to reach 30000+

Literally hold the record for most field goal missed ever.

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[RRR3]

Imagine if LeBron fans bragged about him “dragging” a team with 3 HOFers to the 9th seed (didn’t make the playoffs until after Kobe got hurt). Kobe fans have no standards lmao

[GimmeThat]

only when you underrate Carmelo's longevity

[Wally450]

Not at all.

[3ba11]

Everyone says that Lebron played for 19 years at a top level, except when you try to hold Lebron accountable for failing to make Playoffs in 04' and 05' despite having the East all-star center, his stans say he was too young - okay - so he infact DIDN'T play at a top level for 19 years - it was more like 17 because he wasn't good in 04' and 05 - and he isn't really that good this year or 2019, so it's more like 15 years

[HunterSThompson]

Everyone says that Lebron played for 19 years at a top level, except when you try to hold Lebron accountable for failing to make Playoffs in 04' and 05' despite having the East all-star center, his stans say he was too young - okay - so he infact DIDN'T play at a top level for 19 years - it was more like 17 because he wasn't good in 04' and 05 - and he isn't really that good this year or 2019, so it's more like 15 years

truthfully lebron didn't learn how to win till 2012 and by 2019 he was a shell of himself and needed AD to carry him. 2018 was his last elite season


that's 7 years

[ArbitraryWater]

and what's lebrons "contending" run.. 2009 to 2020 with 1 bad year inbetween

12 years minus 1 is 11 years


kobe contended from 1998 to 2012 as an allstar with 3 bad years inbetween

so 15 years minus 3 is 12 and it shoulda been 13 or more without the Achilles rupture

kobe contended for a longer period of time as an elite player


he also beat 24 teams with 50+ wins to lebrons 14 in the pathetic east


i think we measure longevity differently


do you also measure defense like this


or your camera's frame rate


or the length of your bath tub

[Hey Yo]

and what's lebrons "contending" run.. 2009 to 2020 with 1 bad year inbetween

12 years minus 1 is 11 years


kobe contended from 1998 to 2012 as an allstar with 3 bad years inbetween

so 15 years minus 3 is 12 and it shoulda been 13 or more without the Achilles rupture

kobe contended for a longer period of time as an elite player


he also beat 24 teams with 50+ wins to lebrons 14 in the pathetic east

Kobe didnt contend until 2008..... his 4th year as first option

[HunterSThompson]

i think we measure longevity differently


do you also measure defense like this


or your camera's frame rate


or the length of your bath tub



people shrug off kobes 2005 to 2007 years cause he wasn't contending. regardless of how great he was individually

its your criteria not mine


so lebrons run is 2009 to 2020 with 2019 being his lone rebuilding year since he didn't collude right away for a change.

and kobes run is 1998 to 2012 as a contender with 2005 to 2007 as his rebuilding years cause he did it the natural way

kobe was an allstar/winner and a title contender for longer than lebron was

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe didnt contend until 2008..... his 4th year as first option

wrong. by 1999 kobe was the go to guy even vs sanantonio in the playoffs

he was already the man carrying shaq to the finals had they overcame sanantonio like how kobe saved them vs Portland a year later. Shaq was reliant on kobe for all his real success because he was a beta cuck under pressure

[HunterSThompson]

1999 series vs Spurs

shaq = 23ppg on 67 shots

kobe = 21ppg on 76 shots

kobe at 20 years old was already #1 option on the Lakers

they were his teams


shaq hijacked the finals mvps vs crap east competition like lebron hijacked ADs in 2020

[Airupthere]

It is impressive but he is playing in a Lebron friendly era.

[Hey Yo]

wrong. by 1999 kobe was the go to guy even vs sanantonio in the playoffs

he was already the man carrying shaq to the finals had they overcame sanantonio like how kobe saved them vs Portland a year later. Shaq was reliant on kobe for all his real success because he was a beta cuck under pressure

Extremely dumb

[ShawkFactory]

No

Correct answer

[HunterSThompson]

Extremely dumb

so kobe didn't average more shots than shaq vs the spurs in 1999? Shaq didn't shrink like vs Utah in 1997 and Portland in 2000?

[HunterSThompson]

Correct answer

if lebrons longevity is so amazing then why is he washed up. I bet he couldn't even drop 60 on command like kobe could in year 20

after 5 misses lebron would start deferring out of fear instead of finishing the rest of the game over 50% shooting with basically his career high plus the game winner

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron was winning Finals MVP at age 35, Kobe was done as a player by that time.

Besides MJ & LeBron you can't find me a single player that was playing MVP level at that age, even Kareem had lost some juice by 35.

[ShawkFactory]

if lebrons longevity is so amazing then why is he washed up. I bet he couldn't even drop 60 on command like kobe could in year 20

after 5 misses lebron would start deferring out of fear instead of finishing the rest of the game over 50% shooting with basically his career high plus the game winner

Washed up is a relative term.

He’s not as good as he was when he was 29.

[Wally450]

if lebrons longevity is so amazing then why is he washed up. I bet he couldn't even drop 60 on command like kobe could in year 20

after 5 misses lebron would start deferring out of fear instead of finishing the rest of the game over 50% shooting with basically his career high plus the game winner

Lmao, there's so much wrong with this post. :facepalm

You sound like a 12 year old arguing basketball.

[1987_Lakers]

if lebrons longevity is so amazing then why is he washed up. I bet he couldn't even drop 60 on command like kobe could in year 20

after 5 misses lebron would start deferring out of fear instead of finishing the rest of the game over 50% shooting with basically his career high plus the game winner

A midget can drop 60 if you give him 50 shot attempts.

[HunterSThompson]

LeBron was winning Finals MVP at age 35, Kobe was done as a player by that time.

Besides MJ & LeBron you can't find me a single player that was playing MVP level at that age, even Kareem had lost some juice by 35.

1. Disney bubble and the next top team in the league decided not to go

2. Davis was mvp for them all year and through the first 3 rounds so even if it wasn't a bogus fake season it's an iguodala finals mvp at best

3. Kobe was only done a month before that period in his life due to an Achilles rupture and was probably having one of his 5 best offensive seasons up until that point and he was given the nickname vino cause of his all time great longevity

4. lebron wasn't even the mvp on his own team like I said. Davis was their go to guy on both ends.

5. didn't i tell you to get a life and stop wasting the last few remaining years of your prime on a damn message board. get a wife and kids. or come out as a homo since you always comment on my lips and no man in history has ever been so critical of such a thing. we don't see those things in people. next thing you're gonna do is hate on my shoes and nails

[HunterSThompson]

A midget can drop 60 if you give him 50 shot attempts.

but would the midget come 2 shots away from 50% fgs and win the game with a go ahead shot and have every attempt all game be a long contested difficult shot except for 2 layups

[1987_Lakers]

1. Disney bubble and the next top team in the league decided not to go

2. Davis was mvp for them all year and through the first 3 rounds so even if it wasn't a bogus Blake season it's an iguodala finals mvp at best

3. Kobe was only done a month before that period in his life due to an Achilles rupture and was probably having one of his 5 best offensive seasons up until that point and he was given the nickname vino cause of his all time great longevity

4. lebron wasn't even the mvp on his own team like I said. Davis was their go to guy on both ends.

5. didn't i tell you to get a life and stop wasting the last few remaining years of your prime on a damn message board. get a wife and kids. or come out as a homo since you always comment on my lips and no man in history has ever been so critical of such a thing. we don't see those things in people. next thing you're gonna do is hate on my shoes and nails

1. KD was coming off a major injury, even if he did come back there is a chance we would have seen some rust.

2. We all know AD's big numbers doesn't translate to wins, as evident by his time with the Pelicans, funny how he didn't start winning until he played with LeBron.

3. Have one of his best seasons ever, yet couldn't even guide the Lakers to 50 wins, LeBron was carrying crappy teams to the Finals in his sleep.

4. Nope, LeBron finished higher in the MVP voting and was the engine to that team, everyone knows it.

5. Coming from a guy who pretended to be a dead guy on a message board for months, imagine sinking that low.

[1987_Lakers]

but would the midget come 2 shots away from 50% fgs and win the game with a go ahead shot and have every attempt all game be a long contested difficult shot except for 2 layups

Kobe's last 3 years in the NBA: 107 games with 37 FG%. Yikes.

[HunterSThompson]

1. KD was coming off a major injury, even if he did come back there is a chance we would have seen some rust.

2. We all know AD's big numbers doesn't translate to wins, as evident by his time with the Pelicans, funny how he didn't start winning until he played with LeBron.

3. Have one of his best seasons ever, yet couldn't even guide the Lakers to 50 wins, LeBron was carrying crappy teams to the Finals in his sleep.

4. Nope, LeBron finished higher in the MVP voting and was the engine to that team, everyone knows it.

5. Coming from a guy who pretended to be a dead guy on a message board for months, imagine sinking that low.

1. KD was cleared to play. at that time it had been well over a year since his surgery. and it was his right leg so he would have had his full height on dunking already

2. ADs defense alone won the Lakers that fake title. the shaq type scoring numbers were icing on the cake

3. Kobe basically dragged an injured older squad to the playoffs and lebron under those same conditions quits like in 2019

4. lebron being more popular with the media doesn't erase Davis leading the Lakers in literally EVERYTHING all year and the first 3 rounds outside of assists

5. get a f*cking life before you end up dying here crying about a player that supposedly won your favorite team 5 titles

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe's last 3 years in the NBA: 107 games with 37 FG%. Yikes.

the fact that Kobe tried coming back from that injury is commendable. lebron quits the regular season cause of a sprained ankle, groin pull or sore abdomen

your hero is a punk b*tch

[1987_Lakers]

1. KD was cleared to play. at that time it had been well over a year since his surgery. and it was his right leg so he would have had his full height on dunking already

2. ADs defense alone won the Lakers that fake title. the shaq type scoring numbers were icing on the cake

3. Kobe basically dragged an injured older squad to the playoffs and lebron under those same conditions quits like in 2019

4. lebron being more popular with the media doesn't erase Davis leading the Lakers in literally EVERYTHING all year and the first 3 rounds outside of assists

5. get a f*cking life before you end up dying here crying about a player that supposedly won your favorite team 5 titles

1. Cleared to play, but we don't know how effective he would have been, he didn't have much practice time so rust would have been a factor.

2. Like I said, if he was such a dominant defender and had Shaq numbers, why couldn't he win with the Pelicans?

3. The funny thing is, he wasn't even 35 at the time, once he hit 35 he fell off a cliff.

4. Just like Kobe being popular with the media doesn't make him top 10 all-time, realgm & insidehoops both agree he's outside the top 10.

5. The irony, who wakes up this early in the morning to make a thread about how overrated LeBron is. Get a life.

[1987_Lakers]

the fact that Kobe tried coming back from that injury is commendable. lebron quits the regular season cause of a sprained ankle, groin pull or sore abdomen

your hero is a punk b*tch

That's right, give Kobe the participation trophy for trying. lmao. What a beta.

LeBron is playing it smart so he will be fresh come playoff time. If Kobe was smart he would have done the same, maybe he doesn't tear his achilles.

[HunterSThompson]

That's right, give Kobe the participation trophy for trying. lmao. What a beta.

LeBron is playing it smart so he will be fresh come playoff time. If Kobe was smart he would have done the same, maybe he doesn't tear his achilles.

so kobe is a beta for trying to play with a torn Achilles/broken leg/torn shoulder in year 18,19,20

but your idol leroid James is a boss for not trying to play with a sore groin, ankle and tummy


gtfo racoon f*ggot

[1987_Lakers]

so kobe is a beta for trying to play with a torn Achilles/broken leg/torn shoulder in year 18,19,20

but your idol leroid James is a boss for not trying to play with a sore groin, ankle and tummy


gtfo racoon f*ggot

I'm calling you a beta for trying to give him a participation trophy for playing like shit.

LeBron is high IQ, why play on an injury this early in the season that can get worse as time goes on, he wants to be fresh as the year goes on. Kobe tried to play trough injuries for most of his career, but at the end of the day what did that do to him? Limit his longevity, his last 3 seasons in the NBA were pathetic, he was easily the worst player in the NBA and it was extremely sad to see him go out that way.

LeBron would never embarrass himself like that.

[3ba11]

I'm calling you a beta for trying to give him a participation trophy for playing like shit.

LeBron is high IQ, why play on an injury this early in the season that can get worse as time goes on, he wants to be fresh as the year goes on. Kobe tried to play trough injuries for most of his career, but at the end of the day what did that do to him? Limit his longevity, his last 3 seasons in the NBA were pathetic, he was easily the worst player in the NBA and it was extremely sad to see him go out that way.

LeBron would never embarrass himself like that.


Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low seeds in 04', 05' and 19', so he always had high seeds/good teams in the Playoffs and never "carried bums"... Heck, he stole his opponent's sidekick to win his first playoff series in 2006 - Arenas/Hughes made the 2nd Round in 05', but then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 06'.. So he always had better casts from his first year in the playoffs and never "carried bums"... Otoh, MJ and others carried lottery casts to lows seeds and therefore carried "bums" and low seeds in the playoffs.

[HunterSThompson]

Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low seeds in 04', 05' and 19', so he always had high seeds/good teams in the Playoffs and never "carried bums"... Heck, he stole his opponent's sidekick to win his first playoff series in 2006 - Arenas/Hughes made the 2nd Round in 05', but then Lebron stole Hughes to beat Arenas in 06'.. So he always had better casts from his first year in the playoffs and never "carried bums"... Otoh, MJ and others carried lottery casts to lows seeds and therefore carried "bums" and low seeds in the playoffs.

when hasn't lebron stolen his opponents best player or sidekick or joined them lmao

[2much_knowledge]

Kobe had the same longevity than lebron. He had alot of high level basketball left before the 2013 injury. Same level of longevity, just that lebron managed to not get seriously injured for more time

Same with Wizards MJ. Increible longevity. Just check up his numbers pre injury at 38

[GimmeThat]

when hasn't lebron stolen his opponents best player or sidekick or joined them lmao

did not know Lebron played alongside Kobe Bryant/Tim Duncan/Dirk/Nash/Gasol

look forward to you posting dates and matches though

[SaintzFury13]

in year 16 lebron missed the playoffs while in year 16 kobe led his team to one of the top records

then kobe was 1st team all nba and arguably the real MVP of the league in 2013 in his 17th season while lebron wasn't even the mvp on his own team in his 17th season for 90% of the season

Stopped reading after this. LeBron was second in MVP voting that year. Don't be a retard.

[ELITEpower23]

7,631

[bullettooth]

How many times has LeBald played all 82 games in a regular season?

[Hey Yo]

Kobe had the same longevity than lebron. He had alot of high level basketball left before the 2013 injury. Same level of longevity, just that lebron managed to not get seriously injured for more time

Same with Wizards MJ. Increible longevity. Just check up his numbers pre injury at 38

Kobe's multiple trips for illegal doping is what shit on his longevity.

MJ couldn't play more than 7 consecutive full seasons before he needed to rest for almost 2yrs. That's great longevity??? :lol

[AirBonner]

LeBron wins again

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe's multiple trips for illegal doping is what shit on his longevity.

MJ couldn't play more than 7 consecutive full seasons before he needed to rest for almost 2yrs. That's great longevity??? :lol

kobe said where he was going and when and documented it on Instagram and posted pictures of what they did. If he was doing illegal doping wouldn't he have been more secretive about it like lebron lmao

[2much_knowledge]

How many times has LeBald played all 82 games in a regular season?


Once to MJs 9..... always behind

[leopardJuice]

Roids is his secret ingredient

[Axe]

4500+

[Baller789]

kobe said where he was going and when and documented it on Instagram and posted pictures of what they did. If he was doing illegal doping wouldn't he have been more secretive about it like lebron lmao
Yep. Brans sudden detours to Miami makes it obvious.