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3ba11
11-15-2021, 05:21 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs



Notes and highlights:

* Otis Thorpe was physically superior and viewed as better than Horace Grant, which is why the Rockets confidently ran plays and exploited advantages at every position (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs&t=01m50s)).

* 1:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs&t=01m09s) mark - the video shows that Vernon Maxwell averaged 18.3 on 51% against the 91-93' Bulls, so that's a 3rd or 4th option that could provide pippen-caliber scoring when needed (even against MJ) with superior spacing.. None of Jordan's 3rd or 4th options averaged 18 over any stretch against anyone.

* Olajuwon was all-world

* Robert Horry proved throughout the game that he was a carbon-copy of Pippen (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs&t=01m18s), here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs&t=05m25s), and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEeRFrP4zs&t=05m51s)) but simply played his proper role as 3rd or 4th option instead of being a 2nd option whose low efficiency confirms he can't handle the load (pippen).. Indeed, Pippen had worst-ever true shooting on numerous runs including 93' and 96-98', so he simply couldn't handle the load and was only a 2nd option alongside Jordan.


CONCLUSION: The 94' Rockets matched or exceeded the Bulls at every position except SG, so they would've given the Bulls a dogfight just like the Knicks did, and we saw the Knicks/Rockets have a dogfight in those Finals.. But as great as those Rockets looked, they were beaten by the loaded Sonics, who then lost to the even more loaded Suns... It's important to understand the gaps between these teams (basically none) because it shows how strong the league was and how much parity there was - no one had a "stacked deck" or easy ride.. It also shows how crappy the Bulls' cast was - arguably worse than the 94' Rockets.

hateraid
11-15-2021, 05:26 PM
Chicken wings

Drums or flats?

I got flats

000
11-15-2021, 05:29 PM
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It also shows how crappy the Bulls' cast was - arguably worse than the 94' Rockets.
the bulls were infact the worst team of all-time, worse than the 2012 bobcats

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 05:36 PM
I take a Hawaiian pizza then swap the ham for the pepperoni.

3ba11
11-15-2021, 05:51 PM
I take a Hawaiian pizza then swap the ham for the pepperoni.


Of course you're a pork-eatin' bastard.. no surprise there... :lol:

RRR3
11-15-2021, 06:10 PM
Of course you're a pork-eatin' bastard.. no surprise there... :lol:
I pickled an onion and turned it into a tortoise.

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 06:22 PM
Of course you're a pork-eatin' bastard.. no surprise there... :lol:

:cheers:

What's your favorite toppings 3nutball?

8Ball
11-15-2021, 06:40 PM
All dressed pizza only.

ralph_i_el
11-15-2021, 06:56 PM
My signature pizza is bacon and onions.

Kblaze8855
11-15-2021, 06:58 PM
Chicken wings

Drums or flats?

I got flats


Flats are better but I have a strong opposition to ordering all of either. It just sticks someone with an imbalance in the future. I hate opening up a box and it’s like 10 drums 2 flats. I wouldn’t force that on anyone else.

SouBeachTalents
11-15-2021, 06:59 PM
Chicken bacon ranch is my pizza of choice

Kblaze8855
11-15-2021, 07:00 PM
My signature pizza is bacon and onions.

That is just not enough. I need enough toppings on my pizza so I don’t feel like it’s just a cheesy flatbread.

Kblaze8855
11-15-2021, 07:00 PM
Chicken bacon ranch is my top choice


Acceptable but only because the ranch adds an extra element.

SouBeachTalents
11-15-2021, 07:01 PM
Acceptable but only because the ranch adds an extra element.
So what’s your go to?

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 07:04 PM
I sometimes like to dip my pizza in the 'special sauce' they give you with sushi.

https://images.media-allrecipes.com/userphotos/3792031.jpg

ShawkFactory
11-15-2021, 07:13 PM
Either sausage, peppers, and onions or pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapeños.

If I’m feeling in a mood I might do a BBQ thin crust with chicken and jalapeño

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 07:17 PM
https://c.tenor.com/6stiLJSFlhEAAAAC/homer-homer-simpson.gif



Either sausage, peppers, and onions or pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapeños.

Kblaze8855
11-15-2021, 07:22 PM
So what’s your go to?


Being Chicago bred I must add….I was born with deep dish. Molded by it. I didn’t bite a thin crust till I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but a cracker with cheese.

I need a crisp almost buttery crust deep dish with as many meat products as are available. And black olives just for the ambiance.

Kblaze8855
11-15-2021, 07:25 PM
On another note this bitch has me in helzberg diamonds looking at a necklace talking about if I spend 1600 we get a free Microsoft surface. My eyes have not rolled this far in some time.

ralph_i_el
11-15-2021, 07:27 PM
^I think it's yumyum sauce? Sounds like a good combo.

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 07:28 PM
^I think it's yumyum sauce? Sounds like a good combo.

Talking about my special sushi sauce? Never heard it referred to as that but you could be right. In any event, I discovered it incidentally but shit is GOOD....

8Ball
11-15-2021, 07:33 PM
Either sausage, peppers, and onions or pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapeños.

If I’m feeling in a mood I might do a BBQ thin crust with chicken and jalapeño

I never understood pineapple pizza.

I throw those nasty vegetables to the side.

ShawkFactory
11-15-2021, 07:46 PM
I never understood pineapple pizza.

I throw those nasty vegetables to the side.

Lol what?

SATAN
11-15-2021, 07:50 PM
:yaohappy:

3ba11
11-15-2021, 08:51 PM
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Thread Cliffs


The Rockets' domination of the 90's Bulls demonstrated how crappy the Bulls' cast was, since the 94' Rockets matched or exceeded the Bulls in H2H contests at every position except SG

SATAN
11-15-2021, 09:23 PM
Chicken wings

Drums or flats?

I got flats

Drums

HunterSThompson
11-15-2021, 09:37 PM
the bulls had nobody that could matchup with hakeem. they were lucky the rockets never made it to the finals from 91-93 and jordans lucky he retired in 94 and lost to shaq in 95


hakeem smokes the bulls in any finals which is why i put him on my top 5 skilled players rankings with kobe, bird, durant and MJ. hakeem was just as great individually as MJ was at an even more unstoppable position.


that being said jordan is still the goat cause he got the job done and hakeem left a lot on the table

Phoenix
11-15-2021, 09:52 PM
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Thread Cliffs


The Rockets' domination of the 90's Bulls demonstrated how crappy the Bulls' cast was, since the 94' Rockets matched or exceeded the Bulls in H2H contests at every position except SG

Pizza or Tacos? If Pizza, favorite toppings? If Tacos, beef, fish or chicken?

1987_Lakers
11-15-2021, 10:13 PM
My signature pizza is bacon and onions.

Never tried this. Onions on pizza are underrated and bacon is always good.

From my experience sausage is my least favorite meat on a pizza, pepperoni is so much better on it that it's not even funny. Also can't go wrong with olives.

97 bulls
11-15-2021, 10:40 PM
Never tried this. Onions on pizza are underrated and bacon is always good.

From my experience sausage is my least favorite meat on a pizza, pepperoni is so much better on it that it's not even funny. Also can't go wrong with olives.

I like pepperoni too. And I like my cheese a little well done. I like it chewy and opposed to gooey.

HunterSThompson
11-15-2021, 10:43 PM
Never tried this. Onions on pizza are underrated and bacon is always good.

From my experience sausage is my least favorite meat on a pizza, pepperoni is so much better on it that it's not even funny. Also can't go wrong with olives.

you never tried bacon, onions and green peppers with pepperoni or olives? you really are some kind of depraved sloth from goonies or bart simpson evil twin fish head bucket eating freak huh

hateraid
11-15-2021, 11:29 PM
Flats are better but I have a strong opposition to ordering all of either. It just sticks someone with an imbalance in the future. I hate opening up a box and it’s like 10 drums 2 flats. I wouldn’t force that on anyone else.

For me it's the satisfaction of getting all the meat in one pull of a flat. Cartilage and very thing. A well cooked wing should be easy to do.

hateraid
11-15-2021, 11:32 PM
Being Chicago bred I must add….I was born with deep dish. Molded by it. I didn’t bite a thin crust till I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but a cracker with cheese.

I need a crisp almost buttery crust deep dish with as many meat products as are available. And black olives just for the ambiance.

I have never tried a Chicago style from Chicago. I've had it here and I was disappointed. Maybe when I go to Chicago I can be redeemed. We should swap and air delivery adeep dish for a cheesesteak sandwich

Axe
11-15-2021, 11:36 PM
I like pizza with burgers as toppings.

TheGoatest
11-16-2021, 06:20 AM
In retrospect, it is SUCH a bad look for 1993-95 sabbatical vacation Jordan that:

1. None of the teams his team beat in the playoffs/finals during their championships runs between 1991-93 and 1996-98 managed to win a championship in either 1994 or 1995

and

2. The team that actually did win championships in 1994 and 1995 Jordan never had to face in a 7 game series. And it just happens that the Rockets regularly gave the Bulls problems and beat the Bulls, even in the seasons the Rockets went out early in the playoffs.

It just makes his 6 already watered down rings make look even more, extra watered down.

GimmeThat
11-16-2021, 08:02 AM
regular season games, so I highly doubt Jordan was guarding Rockets primary ball-handlers since that would be "bad etiquette".

TheGoatest
11-16-2021, 08:38 AM
regular season games, so I highly doubt Jordan was guarding Rockets primary ball-handlers since that would be "bad etiquette".

You do know that the "it was only the regular season" argument works in favor of Hakeem, and not Jordan, right? And it works heavily in favor of Hakeem.

In the Bulls' championships runs Jordan's teams were 5x 1st seed and 1x 2nd seed.

Hakeem on the other hand ended up winning a championship with as 6th seeded team, which is the lowest seeded championship in history, before or since. And as a bonus, this was during a playoff run where he swept the team that beat Jordan in the 2nd round.

So it looks like that Hakeem would've demolished Jordan even more than he did in the Rockets-Bulls regular season meetings, since his Rockets elevated their game even more relative to their regular season standards in comparison to the Bulls.

GimmeThat
11-16-2021, 08:50 AM
You do know that the "it was only the regular season" argument works in favor of Hakeem, and not Jordan, right? And it works heavily in favor of Hakeem.

In the Bulls' championships runs Jordan's teams were 5x 1st seed and 1x 2nd seed.

Hakeem on the other hand ended up winning a championship with as 6th seeded team, which is the lowest seeded championship in history, before or since. And as a bonus, this was during a playoff run where he swept the team that beat Jordan in the 2nd round.

So it looks like that Hakeem would've demolished Jordan even more than he did in the Rockets-Bulls regular season meetings, since his Rockets elevated their game even more relative to their regular season standards in comparison to the Bulls.

93 Bulls lost 4 games in the playoff
94 Rockets lost 8 games in the playoff
95 Rockets lost 7 games in the playoff
96 Bulls lost 3 games in the playoff

TheGoatest
11-16-2021, 09:06 AM
93 Bulls lost 4 games in the playoff
94 Rockets lost 8 games in the playoff
95 Rockets lost 7 games in the playoff
96 Bulls lost 3 games in the playoff

94 Rockets lost 0 games in the playoff against the Bulls
95 Rockets lost 0 games in the playoff against the Bulls, won 4-0 against a team that beat Jordan and Bulls

2016 Warriors had a 16-1 playoff record
2001 Lakers had a 15-1 playoff record
The best Bulls playoff record ever was 15-3

If Jordan "didn't care" during the regular season, why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1990-91 season, yet 61-19 in the 80 other games he faced the remaining 25 teams in the league?

Why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1991-92 season, yet 67-13 in the 80 other games he faced every other team?

Why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1992-93 season, yet 57-23 in the 80 remaining games against everyone else?

RogueBorg
11-16-2021, 09:17 AM
Being Chicago bred I must add….I was born with deep dish. Molded by it. I didn’t bite a thin crust till I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but a cracker with cheese.

I need a crisp almost buttery crust deep dish with as many meat products as are available. And black olives just for the ambiance.

Give me some Lou Malnatti's, Giordano's, or Gino's East anytime.

GimmeThat
11-16-2021, 09:50 AM
94 Rockets lost 0 games in the playoff against the Bulls
95 Rockets lost 0 games in the playoff against the Bulls, won 4-0 against a team that beat Jordan and Bulls

2016 Warriors had a 16-1 playoff record
2001 Lakers had a 15-1 playoff record
The best Bulls playoff record ever was 15-3

If Jordan "didn't care" during the regular season, why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1990-91 season, yet 61-19 in the 80 other games he faced the remaining 25 teams in the league?

Why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1991-92 season, yet 67-13 in the 80 other games he faced every other team?

Why was he 0-2 against Hakeem's Rockets in the 2 games they played in the 1992-93 season, yet 57-23 in the 80 remaining games against everyone else?

Load management on the part of the Bulls

TheGoatest
11-16-2021, 11:35 AM
Load management on the part of the Bulls

Load Management? Which coincidentally and extremely disproportionately occurred against the exact same team 3 seasons in a row?

https://images4.imagebam.com/70/e3/a8/ME4ZRSY_o.jpg

Or it could just be that Hakeem owned Jordan's soul.

RogueBorg
11-16-2021, 11:38 AM
In retrospect, it is SUCH a bad look for 1993-95 sabbatical vacation Jordan that:

1. None of the teams his team beat in the playoffs/finals during their championships runs between 1991-93 and 1996-98 managed to win a championship in either 1994 or 1995

and

2. The team that actually did win championships in 1994 and 1995 Jordan never had to face in a 7 game series. And it just happens that the Rockets regularly gave the Bulls problems and beat the Bulls, even in the seasons the Rockets went out early in the playoffs.

It just makes his 6 already watered down rings make look even more, extra watered down.

-86

SouBeachTalents
11-16-2021, 12:21 PM
-86
What does the year Jordan got swept in the first round have to do with anything?

tpols
11-16-2021, 04:57 PM
Thin crust pepperoni Brooklyn style is GOAT. There was a tavern I used to go to that had amazing buffalo chicken personal pies as well. I don't like any vegetables on pizza tbh.

3ba11
11-16-2021, 07:25 PM
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Revised Thread Cliffs:


The 94' Rockets barely beat the Knicks just like Jordan did because the 90's had parity, which created many contenders with very equal casts.. Accordingly, the 90's Bulls cast was similar/equal to the 94' Rockets/Knicks casts

sdot_thadon
11-16-2021, 07:44 PM
I swear by the deep-dish myself, double pepperoni and jalapeños.

FultzNationRISE
11-16-2021, 07:46 PM
How tf does anyone prefer flat wings to drumsticks, let alone MULTIPLE people!?

I am truly in a state of shock rn.