Bigger failure? KD w/o Curry or Jordan w/o Pippen

[ELITEpower23]

Who was the bigger failure?

MJ had 1-9

KD had a Finals run at least sheesh

[Bawkish]

Who was the bigger failure?

MJ had 1-9

KD had a Finals run at least sheesh

Bron stans in ISH

[LeCola]

Lebron without Davis :oldlol:

[hateraid]

Lebron without Davis :oldlol:

You realize he won 3 championships without Davis right? SMH

[3ba11]

KD was lottery < 1-9

And from their 3rd healthy seasons onwards, Jordan wins easily and has the goat career

[Axe]

KD was lottery < 1-9

And from their 3rd healthy seasons onwards, Jordan wins easily and has the goat career
With pippen? Easily.

[3ba11]

With pippen? Easily.



* In 1988, Pippen's horrific play cost the Bulls the title, including 8 ppg in the regular season and against the Bad Boys, so MJ would've easily won with the "Bad Boy killer" FMVP Worthy, or any number of guys ranked below Pippen all-time.

* In 1989, Pippen averaged 14 ppg and 3 assists, including 9 on 40% in the ECF, so basically anyone in his place would've allowed the Bulls to win.

* In 1990, Pippen had lower stats than Mo Williams across the board, while also choking in the ECF to cost the Bulls a 7-game victory against a dynasty, while 09' Lebron in lost in 6 games as the massive favorite to a 1-star team.


In 1990, the Bulls had the #19 defense (#3 for the 09' Cavs), while Pippen was worse offensively than Mo Williams across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency) - this matters because it means Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles - Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron still couldn't win in 2010 after adding Jamison/Shaq to a 1 seed.

[Axe]

* In 1988, Pippen's horrific play cost the Bulls the title, including 8 ppg in the regular season and against the Bad Boys, so MJ would've easily won with the "Bad Boy killer" FMVP Worthy, or any number of guys ranked below Pippen all-time.

* In 1989, Pippen averaged 14 ppg and 3 assists, including 9 on 40% in the ECF, so basically anyone in his place would've allowed the Bulls to win.

* In 1990, Pippen had lower stats than Mo Williams across the board, while also choking in the ECF to cost the Bulls a 7-game victory against the champs, while 09' Lebron in lost in 6 games as the massive favorite to a 1-star team.


In 1990, the Bulls had the #19 defense (#3 for the 09' Cavs), while Pippen was worse offensively than Mo Williams across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency) - this matters because it means Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles by winning the following year, while Lebron still couldn't win in 2010 after adding Jamison/Shaq to a 1 seed.
1991 finals pippen > 2000 finals kobe

[3ba11]

1991 finals pippen > 2000 finals kobe


The 2000 Pacers didn't have 4 guys averaging 17 ppg or more in the Finals like the 91' Lakers did, so Pippen's 20 ppg was below-par because he didn't have to share the load with other scorers at 3rd or 4th option like Worthy did on those Lakers..

Yet a hobbled Worthy still did whatever he wanted to Pippen because that's what Worthy always did to Pippen - Pippen was barbeque chicken to anyone decent and the record shows this - he never locked anyone down as the primary defender - everyone got theirs on Pippen

And 91' Pippen was his best playoffs yet it doesn't compare to Kobe's best playoffs as 2nd option or 1st... Pippen's best playoffs or series doesn't even compare to Klay's... lol... Pippen is in the lower tier of winning sidekicks that never achieved elite 1st option stats (Klay, Pippen, Rip Hamilton, Terry, Pau, Siakam) - these guys are several tiers below the winning sidekicks that won FMVP or achieved elite 1st option stats like Kobe, Curry, Worthy, Wade, AD, Iggy, Dumars, Parker, Kyrie, etc.

[RRR3]

You realize he won 3 championships without Davis right? SMH
:oldlol:

[3ba11]

You realize he won 3 championships without Davis right? SMH

but how many without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer?

[8Ball]

1-9.

KD made finals without Curry.

[LeCola]

You realize he won 3 championships without Davis right? SMH

Yeah with other superstars. :oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

Yeah with other superstars. :oldlol:

Its so funny when they play dumb like that lol

[Manny98]

LeBron in 2011

[RogueBorg]

Who was the bigger failure?

MJ had 1-9

KD had a Finals run at least sheesh

Neither.

-86 and 4/10 is bigger fail.

[hateraid]

Yeah with other superstars. :oldlol:

That contradicts your first statement momo. You said without Davis. No backpeddling

[LeCola]

That contradicts your first statement momo. You said without Davis. No backpeddling

If you really don't undertand I talk about his performance for Lakers you must have even less than 80 iq.

:lol

[hateraid]

If you really don't undertand I talk about his performance for Lakers you must have even less than 80 iq.

:lol

If you don't understand your comment was irrelevant to the OP then you are literally a waste of oxygen. Your comment made no sense. Might as well said Shaq without Kobe. Stupid irrelevant comment from another Lebronitard.

[Axe]

The 2000 Pacers didn't have 4 guys averaging 17 ppg or more in the Finals like the 91' Lakers did, so Pippen's 20 ppg was below-par because he didn't have to share the load with other scorers at 3rd or 4th option like Worthy did on those Lakers..

Yet a hobbled Worthy still did whatever he wanted to Pippen because that's what Worthy always did to Pippen - Pippen was barbeque chicken to anyone decent and the record shows this - he never locked anyone down as the primary defender - everyone got theirs on Pippen

And 91' Pippen was his best playoffs yet it doesn't compare to Kobe's best playoffs as 2nd option or 1st... Pippen's best playoffs or series doesn't even compare to Klay's... lol... Pippen is in the lower tier of winning sidekicks that never achieved elite 1st option stats (Klay, Pippen, Rip Hamilton, Terry, Pau, Siakam) - these guys are several tiers below the winning sidekicks that won FMVP or achieved elite 1st option stats like Kobe, Curry, Worthy, Wade, AD, Iggy, Dumars, Parker, Kyrie, etc.
Kobe has never led the lakers to at least 50 wins in the rs nor advanced past the second round when he didn't have either shaq or gasol. Pippen meanwhile even won 59 games in 2000 and nearly put the lakers to a halt after coming back from a 3-1 deficit in that year's wcf. Also the same year wherein kobe averaged just barely more than 15 ppg in the finals. True role player numbers.

[LeCola]

If you don't understand your comment was irrelevant to the OP then you are literally a waste of oxygen. Your comment made no sense. Might as well said Shaq without Kobe. Stupid irrelevant comment from another Lebronitard.

I guess I overestimated while saying 80 IQ. :lol