Aside from MJ, which ATG never had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run?

[3ba11]

??

[GimmeThat]

you can win a football game off of field goals without touch downs.

[3ba11]

you can win a football game off of field goals without touch downs.


Scoring = scoreboard

Jordan carried the scoreboard

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2019 kawhi didn't even have a 20PPG scorer

Also 2014 kawhi didn't even have a 18PPG scorer

[SouBeachTalents]

2019 kawhi didn't even have a 20PPG scorer

Also 2014 kawhi didn't even have a 18PPG scorer
2014 Kawhi wasn’t even an 18 ppg scorer

[dankok8]

A lot of players won titles with teammates averaging under 22 ppg in a title run. I'm only counting those that averaged 27+ ppg themselves since 1980.

1980 Kareem
1984 Bird
1991 Jordan
1992 Jordan
1993 Jordan
1996 Jordan
1997 Jordan
1998 Jordan
1994 Hakeem
1995 Hakeem
2000 Shaq
2009 Kobe
2010 Kobe
2013 Lebron
2019 Kawhi

[3ba11]

2014 Kawhi wasn’t even an 18 ppg scorer


Paul George average 27 in the 2021 Playoffs so Kawhi had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run

[3ba11]

A lot of players won titles with teammates averaging under 22 ppg in a title run. I'm only counting those that averaged 27+ ppg themselves since 1980.

1980 Kareem
1984 Bird
1991 Jordan
1992 Jordan
1993 Jordan
1996 Jordan
1997 Jordan
1998 Jordan
1994 Hakeem
1995 Hakeem
2000 Shaq
2009 Kobe
2010 Kobe
2013 Lebron
2019 Kawhi


Can you read?

The thread title asks "Is MJ the only guy that never had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run?"

[1987_Lakers]

Can you read?

The thread title asks "Is MJ the only guy that never had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run?"

Can you read?

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[dankok8]

Can you read?

The thread title asks "Is MJ the only guy that never had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run?"

Yea I read your title but your premise is stupid. So Kobe in 2009 and 2010 doesn't count because he had Shaq 5+ years earlier?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2014 Kawhi wasn’t even an 18 ppg scorer

He didn't have an 18PPG scorer. Won a finals mvp with no offensive stars in his team.

[3ba11]

Yea I read your title but your premise is stupid. So Kobe in 2009 and 2010 doesn't count because he had Shaq 5+ years earlier?


Kobe needed a high-scorer for most of his rings just like everyone that isn't the goat

Only the goat won all his chips and battled every playoffs without top-notch scoring help, while everyone else had it for parts of their career and most of their rings

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kobe needed a high-scorer for most of his rings just like everyone that isn't the goat

Only the goat won all his chips and battled every playoffs without top-notch scoring help, while everyone else had it for parts of their career and most of their rings

Was Jordan beating teams with multiple 22 PPG scorers though?

During 6 rings I can think of 1996 magic but thats about it

[SouBeachTalents]

Which of Jordan’s opponents during their title years had sidekicks averaging 22 ppg? I’d wager very few of them. Anyone willing to do the research, I’d be curious to see.

[FKAri]

Humphrey Bogart

[3ba11]

Humphrey Bogart


Huh?

[3ba11]

Was Jordan beating teams with multiple 22 PPG scorers though?

During 6 rings I can think of 1996 magic but thats about it


Nearly everyone in Jordan's era at some point in their career had a teammate average 22 for a playoff run or 25 in a series outside the 1st Round - only Jordan lacked either or both of these things, yet he won more chips than anyone in his era or any era that included threes.

And MJ beat tons of teams where Pippen was outscored by the opposing 2nd leading scorer, including the 88' Cavs, 89' Cavs (#1 SRS team, historic upset), 89' Knicks, 92' Knicks, 93' Hawks, 95' Hornets, 96' Magic, 96' Sonics, 97' Wizards, 98' Pacers.. And Jordan never had a 3rd scorer, so he was usually outmatched at that spot

Furthermore, Pippen's true shooting was below league-average in the playoffs every year of his career except 89-91' and 02', including worst-ever efficiency in the 93' and 96-98' Playoffs.. So when you include Pippen's worst-ever "westbrook" efficiency, he was outplayed in the majority of playoff series, since he almost never scored more than 1-2 points above the opposing 2nd leading scorer.

Ultimately, Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside Jordan - otherwise, he was outscored by the opposing 2nd leading scorer in 17 of 17 series that he didn't play with MJ or play 1st option.. His worst-ever efficiency further confirms that he could rarely handle a 2nd option load

[ELITEpower23]

What about 15.9?

2013 Wade

[3ba11]

What about 15.9?

2013 Wade


That's expected with a super-team (Big 3) in a weak conference - but Wade averaged 20/5/5 against the West in the Finals and outscored the opposing 1st option, while being a near-equal scoring partner to Lebron and therefore attract equal defensive attention (1b status)

Heck, the East is so weak that Lebron won it twice with barely 20 ppg, while his sidekicks matched him (14' ECF) and even outplayed the league MVP (11' ECF).. But don't be surprised - Kyrie outplayed the league MVP in the 16' Finals, while AD outplayed future MVP Jokic in 2020.. outplaying the league MVP is the best help possible