the 95' bulls were the REAL bulls without mj

[3ba11]

The only question is how far would the Bulls have fallen in 96' if MJ never came back - they had already fallen from 3-peat to 2nd Round in 94', to borderline lottery in 95' without MJ

The 94' Bulls simply had unique circumstances such as the swagger and luster of defending 3-peat champs with a chip on their shoulder, while getting the another horace or pippen-level player (kukoc) and upgrades to the 4 thru 12 roster spots.

Ultimately, people forget that the Bulls were falling from 3-peat status without Mike, not the 2nd Round trash that the 2010 Cavs were, or the 1st Round trash that the 14' Heat were (they were the equivalent of a 1st Round Western team because their record loss to the Spurs underperformed every Western team that faced the Spurs, including the 8 seeded Mavs)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Similar to how the 2020 Raptors were the real Raptors without kawhi.

Also siakam is 0-5 with Raptors when he plays this season and they won 7 games without him hahahaha

Marc gasol humiliated himself with Lakers

[SouBeachTalents]

Similar to how the 2020 Raptors were the real Raptors without kawhi.

Also siakam is 0-5 with Raptors when he plays this season and they won 7 games without him hahahaha

Marc gasol humiliated himself with Lakers
Kawhi humiliated himself against the Nuggets

[RRR3]

This thread posing the important question: who’s the bigger retard, 3ball or HBK Kliq?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi humiliated himself against the Nuggets

He led all players in gmsc (production) on both teams. Nothing close to getting outscored by Jason Terry.

[SouBeachTalents]

He led all players in gmsc (production) on both teams. Nothing close to getting outscored by Jason Terry.
I guess you’ll keep bringing this up despite the fact Jason Terry also outscored Kawhi when he won his first FMVP :lol

[Phoenix]

This thread posing the important question: who’s the bigger retard, 3ball or HBK Kliq?

That's legitimately a tough one at this point.

[Phoenix]

He led all players in gmsc (production) on both teams. Nothing close to getting outscored by Jason Terry.

So empty stats then since his team lost and was considered to have the best top to bottom roster that year. Thanks for your participation.

[hateraid]

I'm looking to add a new flavor for my preworkout that is unique to only my brand.
Rozay, juicy fruit, or lychee. Which would you guys be more curious to try?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I guess you’ll keep bringing this up despite the fact Jason Terry also outscored Kawhi when he won his first FMVP :lol

24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight wins and guarding LeBron.

Pure domination

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So empty stats then since his team lost and was considered to have the best top to bottom roster that year. Thanks for your participation.

Yes lou Williams and Montreal Harrell were all empty stat guys and that's why he couldn't win with them as his 3rd and 4th best players.

[Phoenix]

Yes lou Williams and Montreal Harrell were all empty stat guys and that's why he couldn't win with them as his 3rd and 4th best players.

So threadcliffs, Kawhit was the top stat producer per game score, with a better roster than the Nuggets....and lost. Yup, dem some empty calories.

[SouBeachTalents]

So threadcliffs, Kawhit was the top stat producer per game score, with a better roster than the Nuggets....and lost. Yup, dem some empty calories.
He at least played well in Game 7, esp in the 2nd half

[Phoenix]

24PPG on 69% FG in 3 straight wins and guarding LeBron.

Pure domination

Shit, he must have been his team's leading scorer right?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

Kahwit scored 9 points in game 1 and the Spurs still won by 15.

Scored 9 points in game 2 and the Heat won by 2 points. How did Kawhit's assignment do?

[Phoenix]

He at least played well in Game 7, esp in the 2nd half

:lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So threadcliffs, Kawhit was the top stat producer per game score, with a better roster than the Nuggets....and lost. Yup, dem some empty calories.

Lost because he had cancers like lou Williams and Harrell.

Currys 3rd and 4th best players were iggy and klay

Jordan had Rodman and kukoc

Kawhi had lou and Harrell hahahaha

Kawhi was already proven as a non empty stats guy in 2019 when he carried the worst 2nd option in nba history siakam to a championship.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Shit, he must have been his team's leading scorer right?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2014-nba-finals-heat-vs-spurs.html

Kahwit scored 9 points in game 1 and the Spurs still won by 15.

Scored 9 points in game 2 and the Heat won by 2 points. How did Kawhit's assignment do?

In the 3 straight wins, kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

That's double the scoring load

[SouBeachTalents]

In the 3 straight wins, kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

That's double the scoring load
How about Games 5 & 6 against Utah, how many points did Kawhi score there?

[Phoenix]

Lost because he had cancers like lou Williams and Harrell.

Currys 3rd and 4th best players were iggy and klay

Jordan had Rodman and kukoc

Kawhi had lou and Harrell hahahaha

Kawhi was already proven as a non empty stats guy in 2019 when he carried the worst 2nd option in nba history siakam to a championship.

He had Paul George, who fell into deep depression watching Kawhit choke away a 3-1 lead, then took the Clippers further than Kawhit did just a year later. He merely needed Mr. 6/22 out of the way.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3731dcdf0a968b4d225570e69c5a7e69/915e2d4a07d6fe50-2d/s1280x1920/a31a8337b251fae676e53a0081e60d0c289a1716.png

[Phoenix]

In the 3 straight wins, kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

That's double the scoring load

Kawhit's defensive assignment outscored him 2 of the last 3 games, and 4 out of 5 games in the series.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How about Games 5 & 6 against Utah, how many points did Kawhi score there?

36 points in game 5 vs nuggets in 2020


As far as 2021 vs jazz. Kawhi left the playoffs halfway through the 2nd round and still led the entire playoffs in offensive win shares. Can you name any player in nba history who only played til mid 2nd round and still led playoffs in offensive win shares? That's goat level stuff

[Phoenix]

36 points in game 5 vs nuggets in 2020




What about game 6 and 7? Nice try leapfrogging over the posed question

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He had Paul George, who fell into deep depression watching Kawhit choke away a 3-1 lead, then took the Clippers further than Kawhit did just a year later. He merely needed Mr. 6/22 out of the way.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/3731dcdf0a968b4d225570e69c5a7e69/915e2d4a07d6fe50-2d/s1280x1920/a31a8337b251fae676e53a0081e60d0c289a1716.png

He got carried out of the 1st round by the leader in offensive win shares or else he would of got a 1st round knockout just like he has every season since 15

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhit's defensive assignment outscored him 2 of the last 3 games, and 4 out of 5 games in the series.

That's been well documented before many times. LeBron was putting up garbage numbers in garbage time after kawhi destroyed him and blew him out.

[Phoenix]

He got carried out of the 1st round by the leader in offensive win shares or else he would of got a 1st round knockout just like he has every season since 15

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.

[Phoenix]

That's been well documented before many times. LeBron was putting up garbage numbers in garbage time after kawhi destroyed him and blew him out.

How come Kawhit put up a garbage number in game one and the Spurs still won by 15?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What about game 6 and 7? Nice try leapfrogging over the posed question

Game 6 he had 25 points 59% TS on a 8 BPM

Again good enough to win but had a horrible bench

Murray's sidekick jokic stepped up that game

[SouBeachTalents]

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.
I keep getting that looking for his 2020 WCFs stats too, which surprises me because he was on the title favorite up 3-1 with a 15 point lead in the 2nd half of Game 5.

[Phoenix]

Game 6 he had 25 points 59% TS on a 8 BPM



What did PG13 have in game 6?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.

Offensive Win Shares
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 2.0
2. Kawhi Leonard • LAC 2.0

[Phoenix]

I keep getting that looking for his 2020 WCFs stats too, which surprises me because he was on the title favorite up 3-1 with a 15 point lead in the 2nd half of Game 5.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrlotYPc_bekRO0qirftHgES9b8qbJT-gnWQ&usqp=CAU

Empty calorie Kawhit

[HBK_Kliq_2]

How come Kawhit put up a garbage number in game one and the Spurs still won by 15?

You can't ask your best player to win all 4 out of 4 games for you, that means he's doing too much.

3/4 wins domination is sufficient.

[Phoenix]

Offensive Win Shares
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 2.0
2. Kawhi Leonard • LAC 2.0

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What did PG13 have in game 6?

He lost the game for not deffering to kawhi in usage, that's what he had

[Phoenix]

You can't ask your best player to win all 4 out of 4 games for you, that means he's doing too much.

3/4 wins domination is sufficient.

Game 5

Kawhi 22/10/2

Lebron 31/10/5

Yep, total domination by Kawhit.

[SouBeachTalents]

You can't ask your best player to win all 4 out of 4 games for you, that means he's doing too much.

3/4 wins domination is sufficient.
We learned that the hard way in Game 7 against Denver :(

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.

Can skip the west finals and still lead entire playoffs in offensive win shares. The goats got it like that

[Phoenix]

He lost the game for not deffering to kawhi in usage, that's what he had

Ok, so he deferred to Kawhit for game 7 then. How'd that work out?

[Phoenix]

Can skip the west finals and still lead entire playoffs in offensive win shares. The goats got it like that

What were Kawhit's 2021 WCFs stats? Keep geting a damn '404 not found' every time I try to find them.

[SouBeachTalents]

Can skip the west finals and still lead entire playoffs in offensive win shares. The goats got it like that
Can see his team win 4 playoff games without him, that Durant on the Warriors luxury

[HBK_Kliq_2]

We learned that the hard way in Game 7 against Denver :(

Kawhi had 4 superstar games that series game 1, 4, 5, 6

Game 4 was just kawhi and role players and that was their best game

[3ba11]

Game 5

Kawhi 22/10/2

Lebron 31/10/5

Yep, total domination by Kawhit.


Lebron had younger, better core teammates than Kawhi, yet they played worse than Kawhi's teammates because Kawhi got his 22/10/2 playing in a high team assist brand that elevated teammates.

Otoh, Lebron got his 31 in a ball-dominant brand, low team assist brand that marginalized teammates and relied on sheer talent to win, not brand of ball.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Can see his team win 4 playoff games without him, that Durant on the Warriors luxury

Currys 2016 warriors won the first 2 rounds with him basically doing nothing. Kawhi's team only won 4 games

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Game 5

Kawhi 22/10/2

Lebron 31/10/5

Yep, total domination by Kawhit.

Empty stats by LeBron. Isn't that what you said kawhi did vs Denver? So how come the script changes with LeBron?

How come kawhi beat LeBron 4-1 when Duncan and Manu were just as washed up as wade and bosh were?

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron had younger, better core teammates than Kawhi, yet they played worse than Kawhi's teammates because Kawhi got his 22/10/2 playing in a high team assist brand that elevated teammates.

Otoh, Lebron got his 31 in a ball-dominant brand, low team assist brand that marginalized teammates and relied on sheer talent to win, not brand of ball.
Kawhi averaged worse numbers than Pippen in that series, now you hype up 18 ppg performances? Fakkit :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Ok, so he deferred to Kawhit for game 7 then. How'd that work out?

No he didn't defer to kawhi that game, he still had a higher usage. You pulled an Aldridge and lost the f'n game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202009090DEN.html

Game 4 is how most the series should of been played. Kawhi gets 38 minutes and nobody else on the team plays over 29. Look at kawhi's bpm that game...28 hahahahhha what a god

Anyways, bubble ball was bullshit anyway. Giannis lost to heat and then swept him next season

[Phoenix]

Empty stats by LeBron. Isn't that what you said kawhi did vs Denver? So how come the script changes with LeBron?

How come kawhi beat LeBron 4-1 when Duncan and Manu were just as washed up as wade and bosh were?

No that's not what I said. Kawhi in 2020 had a better team than the Nuggets, shat the bed and lost. Lebron in 2014 had a hobbled Wade and Bosh and no, Duncan and Manu were better than both in that series.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi averaged worse numbers than Pippen in that series, now you hype up 18 ppg performances? Fakkit :lol

Yep, suddenly 18ppg is something to hype. 3ball and HBK_Kliq going HAM for biggest retard title.

[Phoenix]

No he didn't defer to kawhi that game, he still had a higher usage. You pulled an Aldridge and lost the f'n game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202009090DEN.html

Game 4 is how most the series should of been played. Kawhi gets 38 minutes and nobody else on the team plays over 29. Look at kawhi's bpm that game...28 hahahahhha what a god

Anyways, bubble ball was bullshit anyway. Giannis lost to heat and then swept him next season

So Kawhit couldn't win in bubble ball bullshit when there were no fans, meaning reduced pressure? And 6/22 in game 7? Empty calorie Kawhit.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yep, suddenly 18ppg is something to hype. 3ball and HBK_Kliq going HAM for biggest retard title.
At least HBK is consistent with his posts, 3ball will do total 180’s and completely contradict himself.

[Phoenix]

At least HBK is consistent with his posts, 3ball will do total 180’s and completely contradict himself.

Consistently stupid, but true. 3nutball goes from Giannis is a 'Pippen level bum' to 'top 6 GOAT' between the 2nd round of the playoffs and the end of the finals, a 3 week period.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No that's not what I said. Kawhi in 2020 had a better team than the Nuggets, shat the bed and lost. Lebron in 2014 had a hobbled Wade and Bosh and no, Duncan and Manu were better than both in that series.

Kawhi single handedly won games 1 and 4.

Then he had 35 points in game 5

Any true championship supporting cast, that should be enough to win the series.

The goat put up 41PPG in the 3 out of 4 wins vs 76ers and still had to make a game 7 buzzer beater to win the series, he has played with some shit supporting casts.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi single handedly won games 1 and 4.

Then he had 35 points in game 5



What did he have in game 7? You don't get to decide when playing well means something or otherwise, by hyping up good performances earlier in the series while sidestepping 6/22 in game 7 as 'oh well, it was bullshit bubble ball so it doesn't count'.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What did he have in game 7? You don't get to decide when playing well means something or otherwise, by hyping up good performances earlier in the series while sidestepping 6/22 in game 7 as 'oh well, it was bullshit bubble ball so it doesn't count'.

he had 2 less points then jokic is what he had

[3ba11]

Giannis cut his teeth on Kawhi

I don't recall Lebron having anyone that great under his flag - it's more like he's under other guys' flags like Pierce, Duncan, Dirk, Dwight, or Curry, who all beat Lebron in their first try - he cut his teeth on them

[Phoenix]

he had 2 less points then jokic is what he had

and 26 less than Murray, a 4th year player who hasn't even made an all-star team yet. Jokic also had 22 rebounds,13 assists, 2 steals and 3 blocks. What about Kawhit? Allow me: 6 rebounds,6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. And let's not forget.......6/22 for your 'GOAT'.

Go lay down.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Giannis cut his teeth on Kawhi

I don't recall Lebron having anyone that great under his flag - it's more like he's under other guys' flags like Pierce, Duncan, Dirk, Dwight, or Curry, who all beat Lebron in their first try - he cut his teeth on them

exactly. Lebron never eliminated half the player as good as giannis in the eastern conference. He never eliminated a player as good as embiid in the east either. Jimmy Butler 2017-present is also peak form and is better then anybody Lebron ever eliminated.

That's 3 players in 1 run

[HBK_Kliq_2]

and 26 less than Murray, a 4th year player who hasn't even made an all-star team yet. Jokic also had 22 rebounds,13 assists, 2 steals and 3 blocks. What about Kawhit? Allow me: 6 rebounds,6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. And let's not forget.......6/22 for your 'GOAT'.

Go lay down.

so kawhi has to outplay both jokic and murray now?

[Phoenix]

so kawhi has to outplay both jokic and murray now?

No, try one of them since he was supposed to be the best player in the series. The best player and 'leader' played like shit in game 7, so guess what the rest of the team does? Why do you hype Kawhit ending the 2014 finals strong, but downplay his game 7 2020 game 7? 'Bubble ball bullshit' doesn't fly if you're going to hype him scoring 36 in game 5. It either all counts that year, or none of it. Pick one.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

No, try one of them since he was supposed to be the best player in the series. The best player and 'leader' played like shit in game 7, so guess what the rest of the team does? Why do you hype Kawhit ending the 2014 finals strong, but downplay his game 7 2020 game 7? 'Bubble ball bullshit' doesn't fly if you're going to hype him scoring 36 in game 5. It either all counts that year, or none of it. Pick one.

So when i bring up stats and say kawhi had the best gmsc in the series for all players, it's empty stats.

Yet you can bring up stats for a single game?

F*ck off

[GrayGoat]

Kawhi is what MJ would be with modern medicine. Bigger,stronger,better

[Phoenix]

So when i bring up stats and say kawhi had the best gmsc in the series for all players, it's empty stats.

Yet you can bring up stats for a single game?

F*ck off

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-19-2015/DI_ebF.gif

Hook, line and sinker bitch.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi is what MJ would be with modern medicine. Bigger,stronger,better

Exactly. What I'm trying to explain to autism boys like Phoenix

[Phoenix]

Exactly. What I'm trying to explain to autism boys like Phoenix

Unsuccessfully. You'd probably be ISHs biggest jizzrag for 2021 if I could be bothered to run that poll again.