Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[Pip' N Rodman]

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[ELITEpower23]

Wait what? More than all NBA players combined? How? I know LeBron has six. MJ has two and Shaq has one but what about all the other players in NBA history?


Kawhi? (HB Kilt chime in please)
Durant? (Manny chime in please)
Curry? (Welfare fan chime in please)
Magic? (Magic is Magic chime in please)
Kobe? (Kenny Griff chime in please)

What about Duncan? Malone? Robinson? Hakeem? No one else has it?

[ELITEpower23]

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[Bawkish]

probably has to do with him being in the 2 most lopsided losses in Finals history??

[Baller789]

probably has to do with him being in the 2 most lopsided losses in Finals history??

The real question is...

Can he stop Jason Terry?

[TheGoatest]

probably has to do with him being in the 2 most lopsided losses in Finals history??

Prime Jordan, in spite of playing with GOAT perimeter defender Scottie Pippen at his peak, somehow managed to lose to a team that got swept in the finals.

[RogueBorg]

Prime Jordan, in spite of playing with GOAT perimeter defender Scottie Pippen at his peak, somehow managed to lose to a team that got swept in the finals.

-86 +/- Finals
6 Finals losses
2011
zero MVP's in his 30's
zero All-Defensive teams in his 30's
3 seasons missing the playoffs

https://c.tenor.com/Pom7afI8cJkAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[TheGoatest]

-86 +/- Finals
6 Finals losses
2011
zero MVP's in his 30's
zero All-Defensive teams in his 30's

https://c.tenor.com/Pom7afI8cJkAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Zero .500 seasons without Pippen
1-9 playoff record
Lost in the first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals
Finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person
Team had 55 wins the season he left
7 Bulls players averaged career high in ppg the exact season he left
2 Bulls players suddenly became all-stars the exact season he left
1996 Finals
Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in a finals series
90s "competition" wasn't able to win in 2 seasons where Hakeem Olajuwon won with a 13.8 ppg on .376 shooting #2 option

[RogueBorg]

Zero .500 seasons without Pippen
1-9 playoff record
Lost in the first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals
Finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person
Team had 55 wins the season he left
7 Bulls players averaged career high in ppg the exact season he left
2 Bulls players suddenly became all-stars the exact season he left
1996 Finals
Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in a finals series
90s "competition" wasn't able to win in 2 seasons where Hakeem Olajuwon won with a 13.8 ppg on .376 shooting #2 option

Meltdown :roll:

[TheCorporation]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[expansionera]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

He has been the best player on the most championship teams in history :banana:

[Spurs m8]

-86 +/- Finals
6 Finals losses
2011
zero MVP's in his 30's
zero All-Defensive teams in his 30's
3 seasons missing the playoffs

https://c.tenor.com/Pom7afI8cJkAAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Not to mention only ONE fvcking scoring title.

ONE

Hilarious :roll:

[ImKobe]

PER is relative to the league average, so MJ's and Kobe's eras were simply a lot tougher. Give prime MJ & Kobe the horrible defense of the mid 2010s and they'd have put up a 30+ PER every year.

[ELITEpower23]

Zero .500 seasons without Pippen
1-9 playoff record
Lost in the first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals
Finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person
Team had 55 wins the season he left
7 Bulls players averaged career high in ppg the exact season he left
2 Bulls players suddenly became all-stars the exact season he left
1996 Finals
Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in a finals series
90s "competition" wasn't able to win in 2 seasons where Hakeem Olajuwon won with a 13.8 ppg on .376 shooting #2 option

SBUT IT DOWN :oldlol:

These bois are on skates

[ELITEpower23]

Not to mention only ONE fvcking scoring title.

ONE

Hilarious :roll:

7631


Yeah, the only scoring title that matters :pimp:

Your move

[theman93]

Why does Lebron have more record margin Finals blowout losses in NBA history than everyone combined?

[Full Court]

PER is relative to the league average, so MJ's and Kobe's eras were simply a lot tougher. Give prime MJ & Kobe the horrible defense of the mid 2010s and they'd have put up a 30+ PER every year.

This is spot on, but you'd have better luck getting a palm tree to grasp it than you will the Lebrone lickers on here.

[ELITEpower23]

Why does Lebron have more record margin Finals blowout losses in NBA history than everyone combined?

Make a thread if you're that curious.

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[Pip' N Rodman]

PER is relative to the league average, so MJ's and Kobe's eras were simply a lot tougher. Give prime MJ & Kobe the horrible defense of the mid 2010s and they'd have put up a 30+ PER every year.

Lol this is so dumb, if its easier to get stats now doesn't that mean a 30+ PER is even better since its relative to the stats everyone else is getting? :oldlol:

[theman93]

Make a thread if you're that curious.

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

No.

Why does Lebron have more record margin Finals blowout losses in NBA history than everyone combined?

[ELITEpower23]

Lol this is so dumb, if its easier to get stats now doesn't that mean a 30+ PER is even better since its relative to the stats everyone else is getting? :oldlol:

:oldlol:

EPIC ROAST :oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

No.

Why does Lebron have more record margin Finals blowout losses in NBA history than everyone combined?

OP got this boi on a leash :oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

Why does Lebron have more record margin Finals blowout losses in NBA history than everyone combined?

No clue. Maybe he needs more help. A savior like Pip lol

[kawhileonard2]

And yet still 2nd in PER all time in the season and 3rd in the playoffs in PER all time.:oldlol:

[theman93]

No clue. Maybe he needs more help. A savior like Pip lol

I'm not so sure if a savior is the trick. He has recruited a multitude of saviors over the years and still has 6 Finals losses, 2 being record blowouts, and 1 the most disgraceful loss in the modern sports era. It's as if he needs acts of God - miraculous clutch shots made by teammates and global pandemics - to win.

[Baller789]

:oldlol:

EPIC ROAST :oldlol:
Yeah, why does he have the most blowout losses in NBA Finals history?

And why do you keep moving goalposts?

[ELITEpower23]

Yeah, why does he have the most blowout losses in NBA Finals history?

And why do you keep moving goalposts?

Stay on track bucko:

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[RogueBorg]

Lol this is so dumb, if its easier to get stats now doesn't that mean a 30+ PER is even better since its relative to the stats everyone else is getting? :oldlol:

And yet his Finals +/- is -86 with 6 Finals losses. Tells anyone with a brain his PER is an empty stat.

[theman93]

Stay on track bucko:

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

Why did Lebron need miraculous bailouts and a global pandemic to win 3 of his 4 rings?

[8Ball]

Zero .500 seasons without Pippen
1-9 playoff record
Lost in the first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that lost in the conference finals to a team that lost in the finals
Finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player by far was a rookie Chuck Person
Team had 55 wins the season he left
7 Bulls players averaged career high in ppg the exact season he left
2 Bulls players suddenly became all-stars the exact season he left
1996 Finals
Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.3 assists in a finals series
90s "competition" wasn't able to win in 2 seasons where Hakeem Olajuwon won with a 13.8 ppg on .376 shooting #2 option

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZU9QbQtuI4Xcc/giphy.gif

[8Ball]

Stay on track bucko:

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

Stupid question.

GOAT gonna GOAT is the answer.

[ImKobe]

Lol this is so dumb, if its easier to get stats now doesn't that mean a 30+ PER is even better since its relative to the stats everyone else is getting? :oldlol:

There's multiple factors to this.

It's easier to put up numbers because of the officiating and the overall quality/skill is also worse as a result, so the very elite players in this era put up better numbers than those in the past as a result as they're able to put up more efficient numbers and exploit the defenses at a level that wasn't possible in past eras. Scoring efficiency also impacts the PER stat so it's easier to put up a higher PER if the officiating and the lack of defense allows a player to do it. Kareem & Bird had seasons of leading the league in PER in the mid-20s. Kawhi's had multiple 30+ PER playoff runs, doesn't mean he was better or as good as peak Kareem or Kobe or Bird or Magic. Giannis just recently broke the all-time PER record and Jokic right now is on pace to smash that with a 35.3 PER. Donovan Mitchell had a 33.7 PER in the POs just recently and we know he's just an all-star level player, but the 3PT chucking meta makes it possible for your 2nd tier stars to have insane efficiency numbers that put some of the ATGs to shame in the advanced metrics, but it's not that they're that much better, it's just a different game that's being played out there today that mostly favors the offensive player, and the teams/players have got better at exploiting it.

The NFL is really good when it comes to comparing players across eras because their guys actually factor in the rule changes and understand that it's much easier to put up 4000-5000+ yards and 40+ TDs and a 65+ completion% in the modern era. No one's comparing Joe Montana to Matt Ryan by the numbers and acts like Ryan's the better QB because of his Cmp% & INT%. Hopefully the NBA can move in this direction as well and stop doing the stat-for-stat comparisons with players that played under different rules and decades apart to make their case.

[TheCorporation]

Anyone have an answer?

I know the answer: GOAT gonna GOAT

[Baller789]

There's multiple factors to this.

It's easier to put up numbers because of the officiating and the overall quality/skill is also worse as a result, so the very elite players in this era put up better numbers than those in the past as a result as they're able to put up more efficient numbers and exploit the defenses at a level that wasn't possible in past eras. Scoring efficiency also impacts the PER stat so it's easier to put up a higher PER if the officiating and the lack of defense allows a player to do it. Kareem & Bird had seasons of leading the league in PER in the mid-20s. Kawhi's had multiple 30+ PER playoff runs, doesn't mean he was better or as good as peak Kareem or Kobe or Bird or Magic. Giannis just recently broke the all-time PER record and Jokic right now is on pace to smash that with a 35.3 PER. Donovan Mitchell had a 33.7 PER in the POs just recently and we know he's just an all-star level player, but the 3PT chucking meta makes it possible for your 2nd tier stars to have insane efficiency numbers that put some of the ATGs to shame in the advanced metrics, but it's not that they're that much better, it's just a different game that's being played out there today that mostly favors the offensive player, and the teams/players have got better at exploiting it.

The NFL is really good when it comes to comparing players across eras because their guys actually factor in the rule changes and understand that it's much easier to put up 4000-5000+ yards and 40+ TDs and a 65+ completion% in the modern era. No one's comparing Joe Montana to Matt Ryan by the numbers and acts like Ryan's the better QB because of his Cmp% & INT%. Hopefully the NBA can move in this direction as well and stop doing the stat-for-stat comparisons with players that played under different rules and decades apart to make their case.

Bran stans? Anyone?

[theman93]

Bran stans? Anyone?

gOt tHeM bOyS oN sKaTeS :pimp:

[j3lademaster]

Wilt's probably owed one for 67 if they counted blocks. Supposedly he averaged 10/game. Don't care enough to calculate if that'd push him over 30, and of course one would actually have to care about the 60's.

[TheCorporation]

Still no answers to my thread? I see...

[theman93]

Still no answers to my thread? I see...

See below


There's multiple factors to this.

It's easier to put up numbers because of the officiating and the overall quality/skill is also worse as a result, so the very elite players in this era put up better numbers than those in the past as a result as they're able to put up more efficient numbers and exploit the defenses at a level that wasn't possible in past eras. Scoring efficiency also impacts the PER stat so it's easier to put up a higher PER if the officiating and the lack of defense allows a player to do it. Kareem & Bird had seasons of leading the league in PER in the mid-20s. Kawhi's had multiple 30+ PER playoff runs, doesn't mean he was better or as good as peak Kareem or Kobe or Bird or Magic. Giannis just recently broke the all-time PER record and Jokic right now is on pace to smash that with a 35.3 PER. Donovan Mitchell had a 33.7 PER in the POs just recently and we know he's just an all-star level player, but the 3PT chucking meta makes it possible for your 2nd tier stars to have insane efficiency numbers that put some of the ATGs to shame in the advanced metrics, but it's not that they're that much better, it's just a different game that's being played out there today that mostly favors the offensive player, and the teams/players have got better at exploiting it.

The NFL is really good when it comes to comparing players across eras because their guys actually factor in the rule changes and understand that it's much easier to put up 4000-5000+ yards and 40+ TDs and a 65+ completion% in the modern era. No one's comparing Joe Montana to Matt Ryan by the numbers and acts like Ryan's the better QB because of his Cmp% & INT%. Hopefully the NBA can move in this direction as well and stop doing the stat-for-stat comparisons with players that played under different rules and decades apart to make their case.

[TheCorporation]

Riiiight. So it's easier to get 30.0 PER Finals runs in this 2010+ era yet it's happened with more players in the 90s (Jordan) and 00s (Shaq) than from 2002 to 2022 :lol

1991 to 2001 = 2 players in 10 years
2002 to 2022 = 1 player in 20 years

And yet you say it's easier to do from 2002 to 2022 yet only one player has ever done it in 20 years. Interesting.

PS: Next :lol


Now that I've discared that comical trash are there any real answers or is LeBron just Goat? That could very well be the answer at this point so do not be scared to speak your truth.

[theman93]

Riiiight. So it's easier to get 30.0 PER Finals runs in this 2010+ era yet it's happened with more players in the 90s (Jordan) and 00s (Shaq) than from 2002 to 2022 :lol

1991 to 2001 = 2 players in 10 years
2002 to 2022 = 1 player in 20 years

And yet you say it's easier to do from 2002 to 2022 yet only one player has ever done it in 20 years. Interesting.

PS: Next :lol


Now that I've discared that comical trash are there any real answers or is LeBron just Goat? That could very well be the answer at this point so do not be scared to speak your truth.

Yes because MJ and Shaq were that great.

Now, why does MJ have more 0.30 WS/48 Championship/Finals runs than everyone combined?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[ELITEpower23]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

These bois are too shook to answer and we love it :cheers:

[kawhileonard2]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

Why did this happen?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3

[Baller789]

These bois are too shook to answer and we love it :cheers:

Yes so shook you have no logical rebuttal. Only stanning the same crap over and over.

[ELITEpower23]

Yes so shook you have no logical rebuttal. Only stanning the same crap over and over.

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?

[Baller789]

Why does LeBron have more 30 PER Finals/Championship runs than everyone combined?
My point again is proven. :lol
NoPower23 once again proves lack of awareness.

[Pip' N Rodman]

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