Japan Ivermectin

[jstern]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g

Now I see why Axe is always talking about it.

Meanwhile, in the US a doctor can lose their license for prescribing Ivermectin for the flu.

[theman93]

hOrSe pAsTe!!

[BurningHammer]

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/fact-check-japan-has-not-ditched-covid-vaccines-for-ivermectin/


The second part about ivermectin is a misinterpretation of a statement made back in August 2021 by Dr Haruo Ozaki, the chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association, who recommended (https://www-yomiuri-co-jp.translate.goog/choken/kijironko/cknews/20210818-OYT8T50030/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui) the use of ivermectin. However, it looks like higher authorities did not take this advice since ivermectin is still not listed by the Japanese government as an approved medication (https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html) to treat COVID-19.

[jstern]

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/fact-check-japan-has-not-ditched-covid-vaccines-for-ivermectin/

If you look at the first image, and watch the video, the point is that it was allowed as a treatment, can be prescribe without restriction, and that doctors can inform people about it. (Versus the US, where prescribing it can cost a doctor greatly.)

What you're linking and talking about is a "Fact check" that's pretending to fact check an idea that Japan ditched all other treatments and the vaccines for Ivermectin.

Your link would make sense for this thread if the thread was about Japan completely halting the vaccines 100% for Ivermectin.

[BurningHammer]

If you look at the first image, and watch the video, the point is that it was allowed as a treatment, can be prescribe without restriction, and that doctors can inform people about it. (Versus the US, where prescribing it can cost a doctor greatly.)

What you're linking and talking about is a "Fact check" that's pretending to fact check an idea that Japan ditched all other treatments and the vaccines for Ivermectin.

Your link would make sense for this thread if the thread was about Japan completely halting the vaccines 100% for Ivermectin.


However, it looks like higher authorities did not take this advice since ivermectin is still not listed by the Japanese government as an approved medication (https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html) to treat COVID-19.

https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html

Ivermectin is not in the list of approved medications as of November 2021, so it isn't officially allowed yet.

[BurningHammer]

The original source of misinformation, from a far-right radio host (as usual) and a convicted felon Hal Turner.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/japan-drops-vax-rollout-goes-to-ivermectin-ends-covid-almost-overnight

[jstern]

https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html

Ivermectin is not in the list of approved medications as of November 2021, so it isn't officially allowed yet.

God, you're dumb.

[BurningHammer]

God, you're dumb.

Is this the best response you can make? Usually you can make them up for more words than this :oldlol:

[jstern]

Is this the best response you can make? Usually you can make them up for more words than this :oldlol:

You're not paying attention. The video at 1:02 says that if you Google it Japan has not approved it as official treatment for Covid 19. As you can read from the first image, that chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki publicly encouraged doctors to prescribe and to give patients informed consent about Ivermectin. And for people to also buy it from India. And then the cases dramatically dropped. Coincidence or not. That is the question.

The question you should be asking yourself is if Ivermectin is a possible treatment for this Covid, or if all these health officials from other countries fell for Q Annon stuff in the United States, or whatever CNN claims is misinformation.

But like that Blade guy, you proceed forward as if the thread is about Japan ditching the vaccines and replacing them with Ivermectin.

[Bronbron23]

https://images2.imgbox.com/a6/59/RQNVGXTR_o.jpg

https://images2.imgbox.com/04/17/KPumkSyB_o.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g

Now I see why Axe is always talking about it.

Meanwhile, in the US a doctor can lose their license for prescribing Ivermectin for the flu.

Interesting but it dosn't look like a controlled study so other factors could come into play. At the very least though it's compelling enough that it should spark more interest and studies on ivermectin although i highly doubt big pharma would allow that.

[BurningHammer]

You're not paying attention. The video at 1:02 says that if you Google it Japan has not approved it as official treatment for Covid 19. As you can read from the first image, that chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association, Haruo Ozaki publicly encouraged doctors to prescribe and to give patients informed consent about Ivermectin. And for people to also buy it from India. And then the cases dramatically dropped. Coincidence or not. That is the question.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/japan-ivermectin-covid-vaccine/

The Haruo Ozaki guy mentioning ivermectin doesn't mean Japan government will approve the use of it, which it hasn't yet.


However, it is true that Ozaki is credited with saying, to some extent, that more attention should be given to ivermectin as a potential treatment. During a news briefing on Feb. 9 (https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOFB25AAL0V20C21A1000000/), he suggested that doctors should be allowed to prescribe off-label ivermectin and the anti-inflammatory drug dexamethasone. On Aug. 23 (https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/123988), he said that it was “necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trials, but it seems that we are at a stage where it is okay to have the patient get an informed consent, and get permission to use it.”

If ivermectin has clinically proven that it works, they will let doctors use it, but it hasn't. The reasons of cases dropping is more of other factors than the medicine that hasn't been approved in Japan for 9 months.

As for India:

https://www.newswise.com/factcheck/success-of-ivermectin-in-preventing-covid-19-in-india-has-not-been-proven


India stopped recommending the use of ivermectin for the management of the virus in September, citing a lack of scientific evidence of its benefits. Researchers at the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) did not find enough evidence for Ivermectin and Hydroxycholoquine as potential therapeutics targeted against COVID-19.*

*https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/09/25/india-de-approves-hydroxycholoquine-and-ivermectin



The question you should be asking yourself is if Ivermectin is a possible treatment for this Covid, or if all these health officials from other countries fell for Q Annon stuff in the United States, or whatever CNN claims is misinformation.

But like that Blade guy, you proceed forward as if the thread is about Japan ditching the vaccines and replacing them with Ivermectin.

Sure, ivermectin work in human being as treatments for other diseases, but it hasn't proven among medical peers that it really works as a treatment for COVID-19 enough of many countries yet, as the "mainstream media" you folks often mention have reported. Plus, well-misinformed folks did put themselves in danger by using off-the-shelf ivermectin for animal as they were bought out of many stores in many places, endangering themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/ivermectin-shortage-horse-owners-covid

[Rooster]

https://www.pmda.go.jp/english/about-pmda/0002.html

Ivermectin is not in the list of approved medications as of November 2021, so it isn't officially allowed yet.

Japan is now 76% vaccinated from a mere 3.5% before Olympics. Never had any mandated lockdown either. They have one of the best Covid approach. America's death rate from Covid is 233.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Japan's is just 14.52,
America's death rate from Covid is 233.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Japan's is just 14.52

[tpols]

hOrSe pAsTe!!

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It is too easy to mislead sheep. Comically easy... just give them a buzz word and stigma to apply and they'll run full sail with it.

[BurningHammer]

Japan is now 76% vaccinated from a mere 3.5% before Olympics. Never had any mandated lockdown either. They have one of the best Covid approach. America's death rate from Covid is 233.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Japan's is just 14.52,
America's death rate from Covid is 233.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Japan's is just 14.52

They did have a state of emergency in highly populated areas, but that's about it. They do monitor the pandemic very well and haven't really shut anything down but limiting caps and putting regulations on events and places. Medical mask wearing in public has also been a thing in Japan for a long time before the pandemic and people there just tighten the habit up a bit.

[Rooster]

They did have a state of emergency in highly populated areas, but that's about it. They do monitor the pandemic very well and haven't really shut anything down but limiting caps and putting regulations on events and places. Medical mask wearing in public has also been a thing in Japan for a long time before the pandemic and people there just tighten the habit up a bit.


South Korea also did manage it well without any mandatory lockdown. Their first Covid case was simultaneously with us . They were making 100 K test kits per day while we are making excuses. First outbreak on the Church- over 200 K of people tested and positives cases were quarantined. Contract tracing for travelers etc were implemented. Lesson learned. If the R2-R4 is good indication, preventative measures like this should be strongly encouraged than going to the extreme measures like lockdown. Hoping it will never happen again though in this lifetime.

[PistonsFan#21]

Can we get some fact checkers in here? Preferably some that are not sponsored by Pfizer please.
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[HighFlyer23]

**** these dirty slanted eyed disease spreading Chinese inbreds

[Chick Stern]

7 Doctors at Anti-Vax Summit Catch COVID-19 Despite Touting Ivermectin 'Treatment'.
At the conference, 71-year-old cardiologist and anti-vaccine advocate Dr. Bruce Boros announced, "I have been on Ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I. I have never felt healthier in my life."
Two days later, he contracted COVID-19, summit organizer Dr. John Littell told The Daily Beast.
Six others also tested positive or developed symptoms "within days" of the conference

www.newsweek.com/7-doctors-anti-vax-summit-catch-covid-19-despite-touting-ivermectin-treatment-1652763

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[PistonsFan#21]

7 Doctors at Anti-Vax Summit Catch COVID-19 Despite Touting Ivermectin 'Treatment'.
At the conference, 71-year-old cardiologist and anti-vaccine advocate Dr. Bruce Boros announced, "I have been on Ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I. I have never felt healthier in my life."
Two days later, he contracted COVID-19, summit organizer Dr. John Littell told The Daily Beast.
Six others also tested positive or developed symptoms "within days" of the conference

www.newsweek.com/7-doctors-anti-vax-summit-catch-covid-19-despite-touting-ivermectin-treatment-1652763

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None of them would have been infected if they were vaccinated right?

How many of those unvaccinated doctors ended up dying? I don't see anything mentioned about their health status. Same thing CNN did by ignoring the fact that Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers both recovered in less than 3 days after using Ivermectin.

[FKAri]

South Korea also did manage it well without any mandatory lockdown. Their first Covid case was simultaneously with us . They were making 100 K test kits per day while we are making excuses. First outbreak on the Church- over 200 K of people tested and positives cases were quarantined. Contract tracing for travelers etc were implemented. Lesson learned. If the R2-R4 is good indication, preventative measures like this should be strongly encouraged than going to the extreme measures like lockdown. Hoping it will never happen again though in this lifetime.

Their society is not nearly as individualistic as ours nor does it value civil liberties like the right to privacy to the same extent as ours does(or claims to do). The techniques Korea used to contact trace and track the infection would not have flown here. Look how much people here complained about mask mandates.

[Jasper]

Stern a non believe of a vaccine , believes in horse health care lmao

[Rooster]

Their society is not nearly as individualistic as ours nor does it value civil liberties like the right to privacy to the same extent as ours does(or claims to do). The techniques Korea used to contact trace and track the infection would not have flown here. Look how much people here complained about mask mandates.

Freedom and all that can be exercise as long as we don’t affect other people. The small pox ruling still stood to this day. And I know when it comes to us American, if you use the word FREEDOM, we will fight for it. After all this is how we always convince our people when we go to wars. I understand our way but at some point especially when you made a mistake, you have to acknowledge it . Be accountable and change (at least that would a sensible individual do). Anyone can be genius after the fact but before any outbreak, we knew little about this. Epidemiology is after all is a science of possibilities and persuasion, not of certainties or hard proof. We don’t even know if our children are even too vulnerable before any outbreak . What we could do is to prepare better. Like Wooden said fail to prepare and prepare to fail.

[PistonsFan#21]

Freedom and all that can be exercise as long as we don’t affect other people. The small pox ruling still stood to this day. And I know when it comes to us American, if you use the word FREEDOM, we will fight for it. After all this is how we always convince our people when we go to wars. I understand our way but at some point especially when you made a mistake, you have to acknowledge it . Be accountable and change (at least that would a sensible individual do). Anyone can be genius after the fact but before any outbreak, we knew little about this. Epidemiology is after all is a science of possibilities and persuasion, not of certainties or hard proof. We don’t even know if our children are even too vulnerable before any outbreak . What we could do is to prepare better. Like Wooden said fail to prepare and prepare to fail.

At the 27:40 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/CZplF4qdwII?t=1661

Bill Gates: '' I would expect this would lead the RD budget to be focused on things we didn't have today, you know we didn't have vaccines that block transmission. We got vaccines to help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission. We need a new way of doing the vaccines, we didn't get much in the way of therapeutics.''

The small pox vaccine that you are mentioning is an actual vaccine. There wasn't a need to change its definition. It gave you real immunity and prevented transmission to the point that it was eradicated in most part of the world. Compare that with the Covid jab that led to this year having more cases and deaths than the year before the vaccine were introduced.

[Rooster]

Stern a non believe of a vaccine , believes in horse health care lmao

99.8% no vaccine needed and yet advocating for horse paste. . People are losing common sense over this. It’s like a restaurant requiring mask inside or airlines requiring 6 feet apart on lines and eventually sit next to each other. :roll:

[Rooster]

At the 27:40 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/CZplF4qdwII?t=1661

Bill Gates: '' I would expect this would lead the RD budget to be focused on things we didn't have today, you know we didn't have vaccines that block transmission. We got vaccines to help you with your health, but they only slightly reduce the transmission. We need a new way of doing the vaccines, we didn't get much in the way of therapeutics.''

The small pox vaccine that you are mentioning is an actual vaccine. There wasn't a need to change its definition. It gave you real immunity and prevented transmission to the point that it was eradicated in most part of the world. Compare that with the Covid jab that led to this year having more cases and deaths than the year before the vaccine were introduced.

LMAO Pox virus has low mutation rate . Vacccine were first develop in 1796 and worldwide effort to eradicate was in 1950 and the last case was 1977. Covid virus mutates faster and vaccines is been less than a year. You’re being overly optimistic with Covid vaccines. LMAO

[Chick Stern]

None of them would have been infected if they were vaccinated right?

How many of those unvaccinated doctors ended up dying? I don't see anything mentioned about their health status. Same thing CNN did by ignoring the fact that Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers both recovered in less than 3 days after using Ivermectin.
The question you don’t ask is - why do you believe internet rumors, and not empirical evidence?

[PistonsFan#21]

The question you don’t ask is - why do you believe internet rumors, and not empirical evidence?

Empirical evidence shows that you will not get infected if you are vaccinated? :confusedshrug:

[Chick Stern]

Empirical evidence shows that you will not get infected if you are vaccinated? :confusedshrug:

please stay on topic. The topic is empirical evidence that supports the use of ivermectin against COVID 19

and again - why do you believe internet rumors, and not empirical evidence?

[PistonsFan#21]

please stay on topic. The topic is empirical evidence that supports the use of ivermectin against COVID 19

and again - why do you believe internet rumors, and not empirical evidence?

Oh ok let's look at empirical evidence then: https://c19ivermectin.com/

This is the database of every Covid19 studies we have to date. 131 studies total, 85 of them are peer reviewed, 67 of them comparing control and treatment group. A sample of over 49 000 patients across all the studies.

Results: 85% effective as a prophylaxis, 67% effective when used in early treatments, remains highly effective against all the variants.

If you have anymore enquiries let me know.

[Chick Stern]

Oh ok let's look at empirical evidence then: https://c19ivermectin.com/

This is the database of every Covid19 studies we have to date. 131 studies total, 85 of them are peer reviewed, 67 of them comparing control and treatment group. A sample of over 49 000 patients across all the studies.

Results: 85% effective as a prophylaxis, 67% effective when used in early treatments, remains highly effective against all the variants.

If you have anymore enquiries let me know.
I said empirical evidence, NOT internet rumor.
Do you even understand what empirical evidence is?

That kook website is published anonymously, repeats sources, and excludes anything that is not blowing sunshine for their agenda.
Laughable.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

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