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3ba11
11-24-2021, 12:29 PM
Equal-scoring partners attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron only won with teammates to take defensive attention away - he can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level and never did due to equal-scoring partners.

Ultimately, his scoring is too ball-dominant at higher volumes to beat the best teams (Finals teams)

Furthermore, he needed equal-scoring partners in the conference finals too - see the 11' ECF, 14' ECF and 20' WCF ... So he can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level and even the conference finals..

TheCorporation
11-24-2021, 12:42 PM
In the modern era there were no 10 ppg #2 Finals option Jeff Hornaceks to bully :lol

3ba11
11-24-2021, 12:46 PM
In the modern era there were no 10 ppg #2 Finals option Jeff Hornaceks to bully :lol


Jazz > 11' Mavs, 07' Spurs, 12' Thunder, 13' Spurs, 15' Cavs

The 98' Jazz beat the most talent to ever make a Finals, including the Popovich/Duncan/Robinson Spurs, Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers (swept) and Hakeem's Rockets.. But lost to Jordan

98' Jazz ragdolled these guys:

https://youtube.com/shorts/6ha-qlvUj70?feature=share

SouBeachTalents
11-24-2021, 12:48 PM
LeBron’s led his team in Finals scoring 9 out of 10 times, and for all 4 titles. You’re being a horses ass (as usual) specifying your criteria to such a ridiculous degree. Giannis & Kawhi lead their teams in Finals scoring by 10 ppg once, while LeBron led by 5-6 ppg 3x, and that minute fact catapults them into top 10? You’re a clown :lol

And the saddest part is, if LeBron had led a Finals by 10 ppg instead of 6 your top 10 criteria would literally be completely different. You’d just find some other meaningless, arbitrary fact you could use instead

3ba11
11-24-2021, 12:54 PM
LeBron’s led his team in Finals scoring 9 out of 10 times, and for all 4 titles. You’re being a horses ass (as usual) specifying your criteria to such a ridiculous degree. Giannis & Kawhi lead their teams in Finals scoring by 10 ppg once, while LeBron led by 5-6 ppg 3x, and that minute fact catapults them into top 10? You’re a clown :lol

And the saddest part is, if LeBron had led a Finals by 10 ppg instead of 6 your top 10 criteria would literally be completely different. You’d just find some other meaningless, arbitrary fact you could use instead


5-6 points above a sidekick isn't "carrying"... When teammates score nearly as much - that's SHARING and equals softer defensive coverage.

Furthermore, the 10-point margin criteria is based on the GOAT standard - everyone in history needed teammates to lead scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg, so he faced maximum defensive attention for his entire career..

Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Btw, needed equal-scoring partners in the conference finals too - see the 11' ECF, 14' ECF and 20' WCF ... So he can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level and even the conference finals..

SouBeachTalents
11-24-2021, 12:59 PM
5-6 points above a sidekick isn't "carrying"... When teammates score nearly as much - that's SHARING and equals softer defensive coverage.

Furthermore, the 10-point margin criteria is based on the GOAT standard

Everyone else in history needed teammates to lead scoring for entire playoff runs, while MJ led every SERIES by at least 10 ppg, so he faced maximum defensive attention for his entire career..

Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).
No it isn’t, it’s based on your bullshit, arbitrary anti-LeBron agenda. If this is so important btw, where the fck is Shaq, who led his team by 10 ppg, or just shy of it, for 3 straight Finals?

FireDavidKahn
11-24-2021, 01:00 PM
Welp

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3ba11
11-24-2021, 01:10 PM
No it isn’t, it’s based on your bullshit, arbitrary anti-LeBron agenda. If this is so important btw, where the fck is Shaq, who led his team by 10 ppg, or just shy of it, for 3 straight Finals?


Shaq could carry the scoring load on the Finals level and Lebron can't - what's your point

The 10 point margin is an obvious criteria to use (double figures) but your guy isn't good enough to achieve it - he simply can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level, and even the conference finals.

Wally450
11-24-2021, 01:11 PM
Welp

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTP1NkRkEXrYDy4cQNqbOBHY0kXa_tDd dk90bNkUqIVpciaXasOwYYaB50YIXVmUUPCUTQ&usqp=CAU

Imagine if Jordan could do this?

LeBron did it against a 73 win team.

GOAT shit.

expansionera
11-24-2021, 01:13 PM
Welp

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTP1NkRkEXrYDy4cQNqbOBHY0kXa_tDd dk90bNkUqIVpciaXasOwYYaB50YIXVmUUPCUTQ&usqp=CAU

Jordan did not have a good enough fundamental understanding of the game to simultaneously lead his team in scoring and assist. Too small to lead his team in rebounds or blocks. Lebron’s career and complete mastery of the sport exposed Jordan’s lack of versatility.

HBK_Kliq_2
11-24-2021, 01:15 PM
10PPG above your 2nd option and 30% usage = carry job.

Duncan 2003 doesn't qualify as he was at just 26% usage

ShawkFactory
11-24-2021, 01:18 PM
Shit I thought you were banned. Damn.

3ba11
11-24-2021, 01:19 PM
Imagine if Jordan could do this?

LeBron did it against a 73 win team.

GOAT shit.


Imagine if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone in the Finals - that's the only way Jordan's ring quality could be reduced to Lebron's best ring

Ultimately, Lebron had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so he can't beat maximum defensive attention in the Finals or even the conference finals level (see the 11', 14' or 20 conference finals)

dankok8
11-24-2021, 01:21 PM
Shaq could carry the scoring load on the Finals level and Lebron can't - what's your point

The 10 point margin is an obvious criteria to use (double figures) but your guy isn't good enough to achieve it - he simply can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level, and even the conference finals.

His point is that Kobe in 2001 and 2002 was a bum like Pippen was by your logic.

3ba11
11-24-2021, 01:23 PM
His point is that Kobe in 2001 and 2002 was a bum like Pippen was by your logic.


Kobe was an equal-scoring partner to Shaq for the 01-04' Playoff runs, while Pippen was outscored by 10-30 in every SERIES

So Kobe and Pippen aren't comparable obviously, and the stats/load comparison confirms that pretty clearly..

Again, everyone in history needed teammates to lead scoring for entire playoff runs, while jordan led by 10-30 in every SERIES.. so only Jordan faced maximum defensive attention for his whole career.

Btw, how does it feel to hold water for a fraud and his fans by ignoring the facts like they do... It's almost like people are in denial, aka "Mike couldn't have been THAT good".. but the stats/facts show he was, along with facts that he's the only goat-level athlete that was also a goat jumpshooter on 2's or 3's

FireDavidKahn
11-24-2021, 01:25 PM
Imagine if Jordan could do this?

LeBron did it against a 73 win team.

GOAT shit.

If MJ was capable of that he definitely would be the GOAT. That is an achievement only a GOAT could achieve.

SouBeachTalents
11-24-2021, 01:32 PM
Shaq could carry the scoring load on the Finals level and Lebron can't - what's your point

The 10 point margin is an obvious criteria to use (double figures) but your guy isn't good enough to achieve it - he simply can't beat maximum defensive attention on the Finals level, and even the conference finals.
My point is Shaq achieved this 10 ppg in the Finals threshold 3 seasons in a row, and he isn’t in your top 10. So how can this metric be the “obvious criteria” to use, yet the guy who did it more than anybody besides Jordan, fail to make your top 10?

TheCorporation
11-24-2021, 01:33 PM
Welp

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Bang!!

IT'S

:dancin

OVER

:hammertime: :rockon:

3ba11
11-24-2021, 01:35 PM
If MJ was capable of that he definitely would be the GOAT. That is an achievement only a GOAT could achieve.


The GOAT must be capable of defeating maximum defensive attention on the highest level (Finals)

Lebron can't do this because he always needed an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention in Finals wins and even conference finals (11', 14', 20')

Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s)

Furthermore, Jordan's 41/9/6 and 20 more than sidekick > Lebron's 29/11/10 with equal scoring partner

Ultimately, imagine if Pippen destroyed MVP Barkley or Malone in the Finals - that's the only way Jordan's ring quality could be reduced to Lebron's best ring

TheCorporation
11-24-2021, 01:37 PM
*MJ takes twice as many shots as Pippen

hOw i GeT aLl dEm PoiNts dOe?

Uhhh :lol:lol

3ba11
11-24-2021, 01:41 PM
*MJ takes twice as many shots as Pippen

hOw i GeT aLl dEm PoiNts dOe?

Uhhh :lpl


Pippen's worst-ever efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) proves that he couldn't handle more volume, so MJ was forced to carry the load.

Pippen averaged 16 on 40% in many big series and playoff runs, yet you want him taking MORE shots??.. I hope you don't coach...

Pippen's true shooting was below league-average in the playoffs for every year of his career except 89-91' and 02'.

TheCorporation
11-24-2021, 01:45 PM
Pippen's worst-ever efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg) proves that he couldn't handle more volume, so MJ was forced to carry the load.

Pippen averaged 16 on 40% in many big series and playoff runs, yet you want him taking MORE shots??.. I hope you don't coach...

Pippen's true shooting was below league-average in the playoffs for every year of his career except 89-91' and 02'.

Pippen was a bum, yet the best #2 option in nearly every series (indicating a weak era) and MJ was the best #1 option in nearly every series...So basically MJ was the 2017 Warriors (heavily favored) and he played against mechanics and plumbers. Good talk 3brain cells.

ImKobe
11-24-2021, 02:24 PM
He stat-padded in losses. Warriors were fine with letting him score as long as his teammates didn't get it going from 3. That's the the good ol' SVG strategy that resulted in one of the biggest upsets in PO history in '09.

TheCorporation
11-24-2021, 03:08 PM
Pippen was a bum, yet the best #2 option in nearly every series (indicating a weak era) and MJ was the best #1 option in nearly every series...So basically MJ was the 2017 Warriors (heavily favored) and he played against mechanics and plumbers. Good talk 3brain cells.

Anyone?