Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan

[1987_Lakers]

MJ shot 43% as a Wizard and barley hovered around 20 ppg. :roll:

LeBron even at his old as age gives you 25 a night on much greater efficiency.

[1987_Lakers]

Jordan was 30-30 with that Wizards team in 2002 and his cast was much worse than Lebron has now

And everyone who watched back then knows that the Wizards were 26-21 (surging 4 seed) at which point MJ got hurt and limped to 60 games before sitting out the rest of the season.

MJ was one of 3 guys getting 25/5/5 (27/6/6 in today's era) and had multiple game winners and numerous 40 or 50 point games due to pull-up ability that Lebron lacks... That's better than current Lebron

I remember early last season you used PER as an argument to why Wizards MJ > LeBron, once LeBron picked up his play and surpassed MJ in PER you ran away from that argument like a bitch.

MJ's PER with Wizards: 19.9

LeBron's PER last season and this season so far: 23.8

:roll:

[ShawkFactory]

I actually did a little research on the 02 Wizards. They had a 9 game win streak earlier on that helped a lot. The teams?

Rockets- 28 wins
Mavs- 57 wins (No Dirk in this game)
Grizzlies- 23 wins
Heat- 36 wins
Knicks- 37 wins
Raptors- 42 wins
Hawks- 33 wins
Magic - 44 wins (No Tmac. That was like a 7 win team without McGrady)
Knicks- 37 wins

Take that as you wish.

[Baller234]

MJ shot 43% as a Wizard and barley hovered around 20 ppg. :roll:

LeBron even at his old as age gives you 25 a night on much greater efficiency.

i wouldn't really compare the rough and tough zone defense era of the early 2000's against the you can't touch me space and pace no defense era of current year.

[3ba11]

I remember early last season you used PER as an argument to why Wizards MJ > LeBron, once LeBron picked up his play and surpassed MJ in PER you ran away from that argument like a bitch.

MJ's PER with Wizards: 19.9

LeBron's PER last season and this season so far: 23.8

:roll:


The problem with today's game is the top class of players is small and far superior to the middle class, who are mostly robotic 3-and-D guys created by the 3-pointer brand of ball.

Accordingly, great players have a greater edge over the lower classes of players (3-and-D robots) than previous eras did.. Lebron's edge over a 3-and-D pawn like Taureen Prince is greater than Jordan's edge over the lower class of player in 2002, who were still a diverse class of players (not 3-and-D robots/unskillsed)

[1987_Lakers]

The problem with today's game is the top class of players is small and far superior to the middle class, who are mostly robotic 3-and-D guys created by the 3-pointer brand of ball.

Accordingly, great players have a greater edge over the lower classes of players (3-and-D robots) than previous eras did.. Lebron's edge over a 3-and-D pawn like Taureen Prince is greater than Jordan's edge over the lower class of player in 2002, who were still a diverse class of players (not 3-and-D robots/unskillsed)

MJ played in a historically weak conference, you had the weak ass Nets make the Finals in both years he was in Washington. Couldn't even lead them to the playoffs. LOL.

I believe peak MJ > peak LeBron, but to say Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.

[Baller234]

MJ played in a historically weak conference, you had the weak ass Nets make the Finals in both years he was in Washington. Couldn't even lead them to the playoffs. LOL.

I believe peak MJ > peak LeBron, but to say Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.

you are free to have that opinion but using those bullshit stats doesn't help your case.

what i do know it that the early 2000's period was the hardest period to score in modern history. zone defense was allowed, physical play was allowed and teams weren't spacing the floor with multiple shooters yet. and yet jordan was still capable of going off for 40 and 50 with nothing but skill on his side.

lebron is currently playing is a much softer league where it's wayyy easier to score. not only that but in the era of small ball lebron sometimes ends up being the biggest and strongest player on the court by default, giving him a physical advantage that jordan never had.

i do think what lebron is doing is impressive, but i honestly think 40 year old jordan would also be a problem in this league. especially if he played with another all star and a solid cast of shooters.

[1987_Lakers]

you are free to have that opinion but using those bullshit stats doesn't help your case.

what i do know it that the early 2000's period was the hardest period to score in modern history. zone defense was allowed, physical play was allowed and teams weren't spacing the floor with multiple shooters yet. and yet jordan was still capable of going off for 40 and 50 with nothing but skill on his side.

lebron is currently playing is a much softer league where it's wayyy easier to score. not only that but in the era of small ball lebron sometimes ends up being the biggest and strongest player on the court by default, giving him a physical advantage that jordan never had.

i do think what lebron is doing is impressive, but i honestly think 40 year old jordan would also be a problem in this league. especially if he played with another all star and a solid cast of shooters.

It was harder to score, but I'm not giving MJ automatic points for playing under those conditions.

MJ's TS% in his Washington's years was only 48%, league average at the time was at 52%.

He was basically less efficient than your average NBA player at the time, not to mention by that point he didn't provide much defense and he was NEVER the playmaker LeBron was. It's pretty clear LeBron is better, and it's only LeBron haters who say otherwise.

[3ba11]

Washington MJ was better than current LeBron is laughable to me.


Before MJ got hurt at 39 years old, the 38-year old MJ > 38-year Lebron based on scoring, clutch, defense, ball control, brand of ball and winning (30-30 or 26-21 pre-injury)

Let me know when Lebron drops 40 and 50 like MJ did in a league that allowed 15 less ppg and lacked spacing or hands-off beginner format

[Baller234]

It was harder to score, but I'm not giving MJ automatic points for playing under those conditions.

MJ's TS% in his Washington's years was only 48%, league average at the time was at 52%.

He was basically less efficient than your average NBA player at the time, not to mention by that point he didn't provide much defense and he was NEVER the playmaker LeBron was. It's pretty clear LeBron is better, and it's only LeBron haters who say otherwise.

you guys are obsessed with made up advanced statistics that have little relevance over the actual game.

even if we were to concede ground to your ridiculous statistical argument, the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible at best. it's hardly conclusive proof of anything at all.

lebron and his fans have been warped to focus on stats and numbers and nothing else.

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/310120/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

you guys are obsessed with made up advanced statistics that have little relevance over the actual game.

even if we were to concede ground to your ridiculous statistical argument, the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible at best. it's hardly conclusive proof of anything at all.

lebron and his fans have been warped to focus on stats and numbers and nothing else.

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/310120/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

You basically just described 3ball, a dude who is obsessed with stats. Dude was out here gloating that Washington MJ had a higher PER than LeBron early last year but went quiet when LeBron surpassed him in PER.

I just showed you MJ was less efficient than your average NBA player in his Washington years while also not providing not much else to other aspects of the game and your response was "stats don't matter". That's weak :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Whenever baller tries to talk basketball he gets brutally embarrassed. He should stick to the political forum, although he gets brutally embarrassed there too at least he has chewing for backup.

[Baller234]

You basically just described 3ball, a dude who is obsessed with stats. Dude was out here gloating that Washington MJ had a higher PER than LeBron early last year but went quiet when LeBron surpassed him in PER.

I just showed you MJ was less efficient than your average NBA player in his Washington years while also not providing not much else to other aspects of the game and your response was "stats don't matter". That's weak :oldlol:

efficiency is something only stat dorks care about. that counts for made up advanced statistics as well.

the most efficient team doesn't always win. you can either play for numbers or you can play for results. i only care about winning and i don't care if you win efficiently or not.

and yes the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible to the point where it shouldn't even be discussed. you're splitting hairs. if you wanna use this ridiculous number to insinuate that jordan wasn't a good shooter, even though he was killing teams from mid range, then by all means go ahead.

if jordan had another star player on that team of AD's caliber i.e. a potential top 10 guy in the league, the wizards with 40 year old jordan could have made the finals.

[Baller234]

Whenever baller tries to talk basketball he gets brutally embarrassed. He should stick to the political forum, although he gets brutally embarrassed there too at least he has chewing for backup.

board disclaimer:

this post was brought to you by a user who believes a man can become pregnant.

[1987_Lakers]

efficiency is something only stat dorks care about. that counts for made up advanced statistics as well.

the most efficient team doesn't always win. you can either play for numbers or you can play for results. i only care about winning and i don't care if you win efficiently or not.

and yes the difference between shooting 48% and 52% is negligible to the point where it shouldn't even be discussed. you're splitting hairs. if you wanna use this ridiculous number to insinuate that jordan wasn't a good shooter, even though he was killing teams from mid range, then by all means go ahead.

if jordan had another star player on that team of AD's caliber i.e. a potential top 10 guy in the league, the wizards with 40 year old jordan could have made the finals.

Only care about "winning", but ignores the fact that the Wizards went 37-45 with MJ. :oldlol:

And I don't know why you keep saying the difference between 48% & 52% isn't much when the gap between MJ & LeBron was far greater.

MJ had a 48 TS%
LeBron's TS% last season and so far this year is at 59%

That's a big gap.

[Baller234]

Only care about "winning", but ignores the fact that the Wizards went 37-45 with MJ. :oldlol:

And I don't know why you keep saying the difference between 48% & 52% isn't much when the gap between MJ & LeBron was far greater.

MJ had a 48 TS%
LeBron's TS% last season and so far this year is at 59%

That's a big gap.

and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.

[RRR3]

and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.
The league transitioning to pace and space in 2009 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. You are dumber than a sack of hammers. Fully expecting you to start jerking off about trans people again because you have no actual arguments.

[Baller234]

The league transitioning to pace and space in 2009 is one of the most hilarious things I've ever read. You are dumber than a sack of hammers. Fully expecting you to start jerking off about trans people again because you have no actual arguments.

not shocked a guy who can't tell a boy from a girl can't comprehend the basketball games he's watching.

[1987_Lakers]

and once again you are comparing two players across 20 years knowing full well that the league today is basically the globetrotters vs. the generals.

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.

We can compare their efficiency to their own league if you want.

MJ: 48 TS% . League Average: 52%
LeBron 58 TS% . League average: 58%

LeBron more efficient no matter how much you try to move the goal posts.

[RRR3]

This dude is bringing up trans people in a debate about BASKETBALL. His mind is DISEASED.

[Baller234]

We can compare their efficiency to their own league if you want.

MJ: 48 TS% . League Average: 52%
LeBron 58 TS% . League average: 58%

LeBron more efficient no matter how much you try to move the goal posts.

oof, you mean lebron only has the 104th highest TS% in the league?

yikes, that must mean there are 103 players better than lebron.

[RRR3]

oof, you mean lebron only has the 104th highest TS% in the league?

yikes, that must mean there are 103 players better than lebron.
Bottom tier reading comprehension yikes.

[1987_Lakers]

lebron didn't shoot above 50% until the 2009 season just as the league was transitioning into space and pace. before that he was sub 50% just like all the other elite wings.

LeBron became more efficient because his jumper & post game improved considerably as he aged, for sure it got easier to score as he aged, but the league was not transitioning into space and pace in 2009, wtf. :oldlol:

That didn't come until the mid 2010's. Shit, you had the Lakers starting Bynum & Pau for much of the 2012 season, that same year OKC had Perkins & Ibaka in their starting lineup in the Finals, none of them attempted a 3 during the season.

[RRR3]

LeBron became more efficient because his jumper & post game improved considerably as he aged, for sure it got easier to score as he aged, but the league was not transitioning into space and pace in 2009, wtf. :oldlol:

That didn't come until the mid 2010's. Shit, you had the Lakers starting Bynum & Pau for much of the 2012 season, that same year OKC had Perkins & Ibaka in their starting lineup in the Finals, none of them attempted a 3 during the season.
The Pistons were starting Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond together as recently as 2015 :oldlol:

He's an absolute MORON.

[1987_Lakers]

oof, you mean lebron only has the 104th highest TS% in the league?

yikes, that must mean there are 103 players better than lebron.

MJ was at 169, much worse.

[Baller234]

MJ was at 169, much worse.

okay fine, i'm okay with this logic if you want.

under this logic, old man lebron is better than old man jordan because he's "more efficient".

yet under this same logic, that also means there are 103 players currently in the NBA better than lebron.

thanks for playing. this sure is air tight logic.

[Baller234]

This dude is bringing up trans people in a debate about BASKETBALL. His mind is DISEASED.

let the record show RRR3 still refuses to acknowledge that men can't become pregnant.

[RRR3]

Why can't this dude leave his trans fetish out of NBA discussions? It's very disturbing.

[1987_Lakers]

okay fine, i'm okay with this logic if you want.

under this logic, old man lebron is better than old man jordan because he's "more efficient".

yet under this same logic, that also means there are 103 players currently in the NBA better than lebron.

thanks for playing. this sure is air tight logic.

Well, MJ was #10 in scoring in 2002 (25th in 2003), LeBron was #9 last season while also being more efficient. And that is only the scoring aspect, we all know LeBron is a far better playmaker than MJ.

One of the things that everyone agrees on is that peak MJ was a better scorer than LeBron, but Washington MJ can't even beat him in that department.

To say Wizards MJ was better is simply dumb :lol

[Baller234]

Well, MJ was #10 in scoring in 2002 (25th in 2003), LeBron was #9 last season while also being more efficient. And that is only the scoring aspect, we all know LeBron is a far better playmaker than MJ.

One of the things that everyone agrees on is that peak MJ was a better scorer than LeBron, but Washington MJ can't even beat him in that department. :lol

yea, this is great and all.... but that still leaves 103 players in the league who are more efficient than lebron james.

are they better? if not, how come? efficiency is super important right?

[1987_Lakers]

yea, this is great and all.... but that still leaves 103 players in the league who are more efficient than lebron james.

are they better? if not, how come? efficiency is super important right?

Volume + efficiency. If efficiency meant everything, Gobert would be looked at as the best scorer. :oldlol:

MJ was one of the most volume-efficient scorers during his peak, lots of seasons where he was at 60 TS%, in his Washington years he was pretty much a one-dimensional chucker.

And I just proved that.

[Baller234]

Volume + efficiency. If efficiency meant everything, Gobert would be looked at as the best scorer. :oldlol:

MJ was one of the most volume-efficient scorers during his peak, lots of seasons where he was at 60 TS%, in his Washington years he was pretty much a one-dimensional chucker.

And I just proved that.

it's a good thing TS% is a made up statistic that signifies nothing whatsoever and only appeals to stat dorks who don't know shit about basketball.

[Hey Yo]

i wouldn't really compare the rough and tough zone defense era of the early 2000's against the you can't touch me space and pace no defense era of current year.

You'd have a point if MJ didn't need 19yrs to play 15 seasons, compared to 21 consecutive seasons. Then compare minutes played and it's not even close.

[1987_Lakers]

it's a good thing TS% is a made up statistic that signifies nothing whatsoever and only appeals to stat dorks who don't know shit about basketball.

In other words, you have nothing to counter with. People who don't know shit about basketball say things like the "pace and space era was starting in 2009."

[RRR3]

TS% is simply a better way to measure efficiency than FG%, this guy is so stupid it hurts.

[red1]

I dont think its fair to compare an old lebron and an old jordan



lebrons GOAT athleticism is a huge advantage over every nba player ever



that includes longevity



he's literally going to be the first player in nba history who plays at the same time as his son :oldlol:

[Baller234]

In other words, you have nothing to counter with. People who don't know shit about basketball say things like the "pace and space era was starting in 2009."

no, you just put too much of your faith into useless statistics.

does the team with the higher field goal percentage always win the game? what about true shooting percentage? can you be the more efficient team and still lose? do you win a basketball game with efficiency alone or is there a multitude of other factors?

and yet here you are arriving at forgone conclusions and crafting arguments over an effing 4% difference in someone's shooting percentage.

[sdot_thadon]

MJ had a 48 TS%
LeBron's TS% last season and so far this year is at 59%

That's a big gap.
Indeed.

[SATAN]

Btw...

AD's LeBronless Lakers currently losing to the tanking Blazers. Would have been a blow out if LeBron didn't inspire Cam Reddish to carry AD. :crazysam:

[Full Court]

Btw...

AD's LeBronless Lakers currently losing to the tanking Blazers. Would have been a blow out if LeBron didn't inspire Cam Reddish to carry AD. :crazysam:

What an idiot^. :roll:

Maybe this moron didn't realize that the Lakers were BELOW .500 with Lebron playing.

[ImKobe]

Btw...

AD's LeBronless Lakers currently losing to the tanking Blazers. Would have been a blow out if LeBron didn't inspire Cam Reddish to carry AD. :crazysam:

30/13/6 3 blocks and a W

Lakers undefeated without Bran :pimp:

[Full Court]

The Bronie bunch were just PRAYING the Lakers would lose this game.

No Lebron, no dead weight.

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/w47vnRK/A7-EADD0-D-C236-42-A6-8-FFE-69-AF820281-D4.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Full Court]

I dont think its fair to compare an old lebron and an old jordan



lebrons GOAT athleticism is a huge advantage over every nba player ever



that includes longevity



he's literally going to be the first player in nba history who plays at the same time as his son :oldlol:

Jordan beats Lebron in longevity too, along with everything else.

Did you know that Jordan played 82 games in his last season? Lebron's already sitting out games, and the season just started. Not to mention that Lebron does on-court load management every game.

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan beats Lebron in longevity too, along with everything else.

Did you know that Jordan played 82 games in his last season? Lebron's already sitting out games, and the season just started. Not to mention that Lebron does on-court load management every game.

The goat played all 82 games in the worst east ever? I'm sure he had a deep playoff run then and was expected to win kinda like Lebron right?

[8Ball]

If you are trying to argue old Wizards Jordan over old Laker LeBron you are 100% braindead.


This season just further nail in the coffin for the LeBron > Jordan discussion.


I knew this back in 2009 because I am smart. The rest of the world needed another 13-14 years.

[Axe]

The goat played all 82 games in the worst east ever? I'm sure he had a deep playoff run then and was expected to win kinda like Lebron right?
:lebronamazed:

[8Ball]

The goat played all 82 games in the worst east ever? I'm sure he had a deep playoff run then and was expected to win kinda like Lebron right?

No.


Jordan was never expected to win. Nobody at the time even bothered to talk about Jordan Wizards.

[Full Court]

The goat played all 82 games in the worst east ever? I'm sure he had a deep playoff run then and was expected to win kinda like Lebron right?

Nah, 40-year old Jordan couldn't still carry a team deep into the playoffs. He had a far worse team than Lebron had in 2019.

[Axe]

No.


Jordan was never expected to win. Nobody at the time even bothered to talk about Jordan Wizards.
He was never even able to lead that team to the playoffs, despite having hamilton and stackhouse. :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

He was never even able to lead that team to the playoffs, despite having hamilton and stackhouse. :oldlol:

Stackhouse is a pretty good reason for not making the playoffs :facepalm

[Axe]

:sleeping

[8Ball]

He was never even able to lead that team to the playoffs, despite having hamilton and stackhouse. :oldlol:

None of the fans cared about Wizards Jordan because they all knew he was finished.

The media barely cared.

Jordan was no longer even a top 30 player in the league on the Wizards.


Meanwhile Bron is somehow still a top 15 player at season 21.


Jordan was never on Bron's level of overall greatness. It's so painfully obvious to see.

[8Ball]

Bron is averaging more ppg at year 21 than all the year 21 players combined.

[Axe]

None of the fans cared about Wizards Jordan because they all knew he was finished.

The media barely cared.

Jordan was no longer even a top 30 player in the league on the Wizards.


Meanwhile Bron is somehow still a top 15 player at season 21.


Jordan was never on Bron's level of overall greatness. It's so painfully obvious to see.
I think it's also because he's just incapable of elevating those guys in dc bt.

[Full Court]

Only 10 games into the season and the Bronies are already showing their desperation. :roll:

[Lebron23]

Not even a close comparison

[warriorfan]

weak era

[ShawkFactory]

Who cares.

Although Lebron is having an excellent season so far. Playing his best ball since 2020 probably.

[8Ball]

Who cares.

Although Lebron is having an excellent season so far. Playing his best ball since 2020 probably.

Every Jordan stan cares.

[ILLsmak]

weak era

for real... sad

-Smak

[8Ball]

weak era

Warriors won most of all their rings in a weak era? :lol


Curry weak player?

[Lebron23]

Lebron is the superior player

[Lebron23]

Michael Jordan missed the playoffs while LeBron had 30/5/6 against the defending NBA champion.

[SouBeachTalents]

A much better players.

[eliteballer]

Lebron is the superior player

With or without Steroids?

[Lebron23]

Greatest 39 years old in NBA history

[1987_Lakers]

Greatest 39 years old in NBA history

:cheers:

[Bawkish]

Greatest 39 years old in NBA history

see you next years

[Lebron23]

Still a better player even at his 22nd season

[Lebron23]

Greatest 40 years old in NBA history

[Full Court]

40 year old Jordan was a better scorer. 40 year old Jordan played much better defense. 40 year old Jordan wasn't a net negative. LeShrivel is a net negative.

Cry it out, Louise.

[Lebron23]

Lebron had a triple double against new york

[3ba11]

.
1) 40-year Jordan drops 39 in last game at MSG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=66ZVa-VFX2M&pp=ygUNTWogMzkga25pY2tzIA%3D%3D


39-year MJ's final game-winner in MSG over Sprewell:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9QTp_N8q0Sk&pp=ygUYV2l6YXJkcyBKb3JkYW4gMzcga25pY2tz


2) If Lebron's best friend Mims was truly seeking weight loss treatment, he would've gone to a regular doctor for testosterone and HCG instead of the biggest provider of PED's to athletes that ever existed.. The only reason the premium black market was accessed was because Lebron can't go to a regular doctor for those items.. The guy that the DEA identified as a drug dealer is in business with Lebron's wife - this is pertinent because it shows that they're all TIGHT... TLDR: Lebron is the Lance Armstrong of the NBA.


3) The NBA rigged the Lakers with 3 times the free-throw differential and 5 times the transaction activity as any other team, which achieved the best roster in the league by far - the Lakers have had DOZENS of starters for other teams riding their bench over the last 6 years as the NBA finely-tuned the Lakers roster into what we see today (a perfectly manufactured roster that ONLY Lebron's horrible brand and chemistry could lose with).


4) The only reason Austin Reaves isn't a 25 ppg all-star and the Lakers winning the last 3 titles is because of Lebron-ball, which has always reduced good players and underachieved favored rosters... Lebron has a losing record with every type of good team, such as 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-7 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt... He's simply the biggest loser in NBA history.
.
.

[Lebron23]

.
1) 40-year Jordan drops 39 in last game at MSG

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=66ZVa-VFX2M&pp=ygUNTWogMzkga25pY2tzIA%3D%3D


39-year MJ's final game-winner in MSG over Sprewell:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9QTp_N8q0Sk&pp=ygUYV2l6YXJkcyBKb3JkYW4gMzcga25pY2tz


2) If Lebron's best friend Mims was truly seeking weight loss treatment, he would've gone to a regular doctor for testosterone and HCG instead of the biggest provider of PED's to athletes that ever existed.. The only reason the premium black market was accessed was because Lebron can't go to a regular doctor for those items.. The guy that the DEA identified as a drug dealer is in business with Lebron's wife - this is pertinent because it shows that they're all TIGHT... TLDR: Lebron is the Lance Armstrong of the NBA.


3) The NBA rigged the Lakers with 3 times the free-throw differential and 5 times the transaction activity as any other team, which achieved the best roster in the league by far - the Lakers have had DOZENS of starters for other teams riding their bench over the last 6 years as the NBA finely-tuned the Lakers roster into what we see today (a perfectly manufactured roster that ONLY Lebron's horrible brand and chemistry could lose with).


4) The only reason Austin Reaves isn't a 25 ppg all-star and the Lakers winning the last 3 titles is because of Lebron-ball, which has always reduced good players and underachieved favored rosters... Lebron has a losing record with every type of good team, such as 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-7 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt... He's simply the biggest loser in NBA history.
.
.

Jordan turned 29 ppg Jerry Stackhouse into a spot up shooter

[3ba11]

Jordan turned 29 ppg Jerry Stackhouse into a spot up shooter


02' Stackhouse with Detroit..... 21.4 ppg
03' Stackhouse with MJ........... 21.5 ppg

MJ always made teammates better because his skillset doesn't turn teammates into spot-up shooter like Lebron's does

[Lebron23]

02' Stackhouse with Detroit..... 21.4 ppg
03' Stackhouse with MJ........... 21.5 ppg

MJ always made teammates better because his skillset doesn't turn teammates into spot-up shooter like Lebron's does

And they missed the playoffs

[ShawkFactory]

40 year old Jordan was a better scorer. 40 year old Jordan played much better defense. 40 year old Jordan wasn't a net negative. LeShrivel is a net negative.

Cry it out, Louise.

Yes he was.

[Full Court]

Lebron had a triple double against new york

Westbrook has the most triple doubles of all time. Westbrook is the GOAT.


And they missed the playoffs

Lebron is the only player in history to lead a super team to the lottery. Think about it. He led a SUPER TEAM to the LOTTERY.

[Lebron23]

https://youtu.be/Ccjg2_4oAo4?si=KzsT7kZb2EfA7jwT lebron scoring 40 points vs blazers while Jordan was defeated by John Rogers .

[ImKobe]

Inflated numbers in an era where teams play no defense.

[3ba11]

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Goat standard at 40 years old - 43 of 89 points against the #1 defense and East champs in the toughest defensive format ever, where competitive-minded players were eager to finally have a chance against the old lion

Fake standard at 40 years old - 40 of 120 points and 11 turnovers against a bottom-dweller in a hands-off, wide-open format that allows 20 more ppg, while the league's design around a single colluder disincentives opponents from winning or going hard (since it won't get covered and they won't be praised for it)

[SouBeachTalents]

He's easily better. He's also on pace to lead the Lakers to a top 4 seed, while Jordan was bricking the Wizards into a losing record, as he did every season of his career without Pippen.

[3ba11]

He's easily better. He's also on pace to lead the Lakers to a top 4 seed, while Jordan was bricking the Wizards into a losing record, as he did every season of his career without Pippen.


AD led the Lakers in scoring and defense to get the 4 seed, so you guys will say any old lie to support your delusion... that's the definition of crazy..

jordan and everyone in the league had to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, while Lebron couldn't do anything with normal rosters, so he got super-teams of multiple franchise players that matched is stats and carried him.

[SouBeachTalents]

AD led the Lakers in scoring and defense to get the 4 seed, so you guys will say any old lie to support your delusion... that's the definition of crazy
AD hasn't played for the Lakers since January 28th, since then, the Lakers have gone 7-2, with LeBron averaging 29/8/9 on 65%TS. No AD, no Luka, no problem for LeBron. Meanwhile, no Pip, no winning record for Jordan.

LeBron's just a better player, and it's painfully obvious at this point. Once you accept this, you can maybe finally find peace.

[3ba11]

AD hasn't played for the Lakers since January 28th, since then, the Lakers have gone 7-2, with LeBron averaging 29/8/9 on 65%TS. No AD, no Luka, no problem for LeBron. Meanwhile, no Pip, no winning record for Jordan.

LeBron's just a better player, and it's painfully obvious at this point. Once you accept this, you can maybe finally find peace.


The Lakers are the 5 seed now and they were the 5 seed after AD's last game, so Lebron was carried to the 5 seed.... A 7-2 stretch since then with Reaves playing better than Bird and Luka helping in 1 of the games doesn't make Lebron the goat.. It makes him carried as always.

So again, more delusion.. You'll believe anything to make Lebron the goat, even a 7-2 stretch where he was carried compared to any team that MJ ever had.

Lebron can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player that Jordan and everyone else is forced to win with, and he still mostly loses with the super-teams of multiple franchise players..

Meanwhile, his stats have never been anywhere near Jordan - you keep citing PPG that is less than 30 as if that compares to Jordan, lol.., Lebron can't score compared to Jordan and actually won multiple titles and conferences with just 25 ppg because he had so much help.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Lakers are the 5 seed now and they were the 5 seed after AD's last game, so Lebron was carried to the 5 seed.... A 7-2 stretch since then with Reaves playing better than Bird and Luka helping in 1 of the games doesn't make Lebron the goat.. It makes him carried as always.

So again, more delusion.. You'll believe anything to make Lebron the goat, even a 7-2 stretch where he was carried compared to any team that MJ ever had.

Lebron can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player that Jordan and everyone else is forced to win with, and he still mostly loses with the super-teams of multiple franchise players..

Meanwhile, his stats have never been anywhere near Jordan - you keep citing PPG that is less than 30 as if that compares to Jordan, lol.., Lebron can't score compared to Jordan and actually won multiple titles and conferences with just 25 ppg because he had so much help.
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[3ba11]

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Oh, and


MVP and title

Jordan............ 4
Russell............ 4
Bird................ 2
Lebron............ 2
Magic.............. 1
Kareem........... 1
Duncan........... 1
Shaq............... 1
Hakeem........... 1
Moses...............1


half of Lebron's MVP's lacked titles and all lacked scoring title, so Lebron failed to reach the top caliber of anything, such as MVP quality, 3-peat, dynasty, or 70 wins.
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[Walk on Water]

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Lebron 8 All stars, Jordan 1 All star

You're kiddng yourself man. Posters are roasting you. 3ba11 is embarassing your ass.

[Lebron23]

Lebron and the Lakers are the 3rd seed in the West. Wizards missed the playoffs in the leastern conference.

[Manny98]

This thread aged like wine :applause:

4 years later LeBron is still top 5-10 in the league and easily better than Wizards MJ who couldn't even get his team to the playoffs in the East

[3ba11]

This thread aged like wine :applause:






Lebron stat-pads in an easy-scoring league, while also being 3rd option on his own team and a massive negative:




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The Lakers must literally win in spite of Lebron's massive negative impact... Obviously, Luka would have a 70-win pace if he was paired with a true top 5 player

[RRR3]

Lebron stat-pads in an easy-scoring league, while also being 3rd option on his own team and a massive negative:




https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-28-2025/nRBTvP.gif



https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-28-2025/bmpshr.gif




The Lakers must literally win in spite of Lebron's massive negative impact... Obviously, Luka would have a 70-win pace if he was paired with a true top 5 player
Shaq is GOAT confirmed for winning with net negative Kobe in 2002 :applause:

[StrongLurk]

Old Lebron easily clears old MJ. Wizards MJ was a joke, a literal side circus in the NBA. There was less embarrassment with MJ playing baseball.

[Manny98]

Lebron stat-pads in an easy-scoring league, while also being 3rd option on his own team and a massive negative:




https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-28-2025/nRBTvP.gif



https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-28-2025/bmpshr.gif




The Lakers must literally win in spite of Lebron's massive negative impact... Obviously, Luka would have a 70-win pace if he was paired with a true top 5 player
MJ was out the league at age 40 whilst LeBron is competing for championships and putting up superstar numbers

There's levels to this