Current LeBron is a much better player than Wizards Jordan

[Lebron23]

And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.

[TheGoatest]

And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.

LeBron haters trying to point out that LeBron had Larry Hughes on his 2007 finals squad while avoiding the subject of Jordan failing to make the playoffs that had a 50-32 #1 seed in the east while playing with Larry Hughes:

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg

:roll:

And here is a picture of Rip Hamilton just a couple years after he freed himself from the shackles of that ball hog:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcrfPkBXsAAcSX4.jpg

Wizards Jordan wasn't even a top 25 player in the league.

[Axe]

Here you go again louie lol

[Rysio]

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league yes but Jordan made a living on around 90% midrange jumpshots and was still a star which to me is more impressive.

[Spurs m8]

So basically the same as bron until he got superstars by his side.

Right.

Shit thread ..again hahahaah

[TheGoatest]

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league yes but Jordan made a living on around 90% midrange jumpshots and was still a star which to me is more impressive.

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.

And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:

[8Ball]

Year 15 Jordan vs year 19 LeBron.

[Baller789]

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.

And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:

I'm confused. You said:

Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds

:confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

They were in the POs before MJ's injury in '02 and had a winning record without Larry Hughes in 2003. Poor OP :(

[TheGoatest]

I'm confused. You said:

Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds

:confusedshrug:

2001-02 Eastern Conference #1 seed: New Jersey Nets with a 52-30 record
2002-03 Eastern Conference #1 seed: Detroit Pistons with a 50-32 record

Since the 1979-80 season, there has never been a #1 seed with a lower win percentage than those exact two seasons Jordan played with the Wizards.

[Full Court]

OP fantasizes about being Lebum's girlfriend.


Also, Solomon Hill > Lebrone

[Bronbron23]

And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.

True but i Dougt 40 year old bron will but we'll have to wait and see

[expansionera]

Jordan could never play 19 years, he’d be worse than 40 year old Vince Carter because he couldn’t hit a three point shot. Scottie was an impact playoff player late in his career

What’s that mean?

[8Ball]

The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.

[Hey Yo]

True but i Dougt 40 year old bron will but we'll have to wait and see

Again..... Jordan only played 25 or so games once he turned 40.

[SATAN]

He's still better than prime MJ.

[TheCorporation]

OP fantasizes about being Lebum's girlfriend.


Also, Solomon Hill > Lebrone

https://i.postimg.cc/mDWTZXX2/Trans-Bron-Sexuals-lol.png

[kawhileonard2]

And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.

Lebron failed to make playoffs playing with Carlos Boozer while Deron Williams led them to wcf. Lebron won bronze medal with peak Duncan, Iverson on his squad. Lebron lost in round 2 with a 3x finals mvp winner in Shaq while Kobe with Shaq won 3 titles, Wade and Shaq won a title.

[kawhileonard2]

He's still better than prime MJ.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for)

List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting


Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote


Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title


Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did


Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently


Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780


Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG

http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543



Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal


Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF



Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

[Axe]

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.

And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:
Don't you think you're scrutinizing too much about a player you hate the most at this point?

[2much_knowledge]

Better at taking advantage of weaknesses of the league? :oldlol:
Since the introduction of the 3 point line, the east was literally never weaker than under those two exact seasons Jordan played with the Wizards. 52 win and 50 win team #1 seeds. :roll: And Jordan couldn't exploit this weakness to get his team in the playoffs either of the two seasons.

And dat 29% and 19% 3 point shooting percentage doe... :applause:

Its called being injured.

[Bronbron23]

Again..... Jordan only played 25 or so games once he turned 40.

Ok then 39 year old bron. You know what i mean

[Baller789]

I have no problems having Lebron better than Jordan at an advanced age because he has better longevity.

PEDron stans are so disingenious to compare the two merely by seasons played and ignoring age.

Sure PEDron has more milage (and more PEDS), but let's not act like age doesn't matter and stop-starting a professional sport is actually more detrimental to one's career in a lot of ways.

[AirBonner]

LeBron is better fact

[Hey Yo]

Ok then 39 year old bron. You know what i mean
You cant compare though. It took MJ 19yrs to play 15 seasons and that's counting his 17gm season in 95.

19 consecutive >>> needing 19 to play 15.

[WhiteKyrie]

LeBron isn’t 39 and 40 years old. Also, wasn’t not playing for three years, which is way worse for than staying in shape and continually playing.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron isn’t 39 and 40 years old. Also, wasn’t not playing for three years, which is way worse for than staying in shape and continually playing.

Yeah.... real chance of getting injured while sitting in the casino getting drunk and gambling.

If he wasnt in playing shape, he would've never returned. Weak sauce, chico.

[Bronbron23]

You cant compare though. It took MJ 19yrs to play 15 seasons and that's counting his 17gm season in 95.

19 consecutive >>> needing 19 to play 15.

You can definitely compare. Your assuming bron has more miles because he played more seasons at the same span but it's a flawed way of thinking. Mj had way more practices. He also had way harder practices. He also didn't take 2 years off in 93 and 94 he wad busting his off every day trying to succeed in baseball. Age here is our best comparison so we'll see how good bron is at 39. My guess is like every other age comparison bron will just be slightly worse than mj.

[SATAN]

Yeah.... real chance of getting injured while sitting in the casino getting drunk and gambling.



:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for)

List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting


Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote


Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title


Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did


Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently


Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780


Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG

http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543



Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal


Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF



Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Guys

[Hey Yo]

You can definitely compare. Your assuming bron has more miles because he played more seasons at the same span but it's a flawed way of thinking. Mj had way more practices. He also had way harder practices. He also didn't take 2 years off in 93 and 94 he wad busting his off every day trying to succeed in baseball. Age here is our best comparison so we'll see how good bron is at 39. My guess is like every other age comparison bron will just be slightly worse than mj.

Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park

There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.

[HoopsNY]

How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.

MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.

[Pip' N Rodman]

How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.

MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.

So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.

And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for)

List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting


Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote


Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title


Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did


Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently


Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780


Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG

http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543



Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal


Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF



Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

MJ was much better.

[HoopsNY]

So you wanna give MJ the injury excuse using pre-injury numbers, but don't wanna concede that LeBron has also been injured this year.

And Wizards Jordan was the lowest efficiency volume scorer in NBA History (20+ ppg)

The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.

Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.

[Pip' N Rodman]

The injury comparison isn't the same. LeBron wasn't sidelined for a month with a worse injury. In addition, he wasn't away from the game for 3 years, in the peak of the defensive era, on a bad team, in a league that averaged 12 PPG fewer than this year.

Is LeBron better now than MJ when he returned? Sure. But again, context is key.

So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ

Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player

[HoopsNY]

So then compare 35 year old LeBron (2019-2020) to 35 year old MJ (1997-1998) if you don't want to talk about Wizards MJ

Even though LeBron had 4 more years of wear and tear and played 10,000+ more minutes, he was still clearly the better player

Wear and tear is one thing, but MJ was a machine at that age, too. You're also not factoring that he played professional baseball and had three years of college.

MJ played all 82 games and averaged nearly 39 minutes a game in his final season with Chicago. He put up 29/6/4/2 on 47% in again, one of the slowest paced and greatest defensive eras. Not to mention, he was All-Defensive 1st Team. LeBron was not the better player.

2020 was a free for all with lax perimeter rules. Again, how is this not contextualized?

[Hey Yo]

How is this a comparison? You're comparing a player 3 years removed from the NBA, at the age of 39-40, in the peak of the defensive era of league history.

MJ was something like 25/6/5/2 prior to his injury when he returned and had his team in playoff contention, at the age of 39, to LeBron, who is not 3 years removed, putting up 25/5/6/2 at the age of 37, now. The league averaged 95.5 PPG during the 2001-02 season. The league is currently averaging 107 PPG now.

So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?

[Baller789]

So MJ was out of shape when he played for the Wiz?

Adjust for pace and compare the numbers. Youre just deflecting because you only do troll arguments.

[Bronbron23]

Nothing you say will change the fact that playing a season of double A baseball, as an outfielder, can compare to making a title run in the NBA. Including Olympic play during James' 8yr Finals run, he avg. like 96 or 97 games per season. 97 games in a baseball season is a walk in the park

There's a reason why MJ had a bar put in the team bus he bought and restored.

It depends on the players dude. Mj is a maniac. His work ethic is as legendary as his determination. I would agree if we weren't talking about mj but mj was apparently putting in a full day of training on game days and non game days. Bron isn't doing anything close to that. So it isn't like we're comparing 2 hrs of baseball training to 2 hrs of basketball training. We're comparing 2 hrs of basketball to 10 hrs of baseball.

[dankok8]

I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.

Troll: MJ was retired for 2 years. He took a break!
Sane person: He played another sport and at a professional level.
Troll: In other words, he was well rested.

A 'coach potato' is a great way to describe them. I prefer morons.

[RogueBorg]

Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's

MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.

https://c.tenor.com/GDsfybm5VQUAAAAM/need-i-say-more-redmond.gif

[Bronbron23]

Lebron - zero MVP's and zero All-Defensive Teams in his 30's

MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.

https://c.tenor.com/GDsfybm5VQUAAAAM/need-i-say-more-redmond.gif

Damn this can't be true?

[GrayGoat]

MJ Stan’s have all the excuses

[Hey Yo]

It depends on the players dude. Mj is a maniac. His work ethic is as legendary as his determination. I would agree if we weren't talking about mj but mj was apparently putting in a full day of training on game days and non game days. Bron isn't doing anything close to that. So it isn't like we're comparing 2 hrs of baseball training to 2 hrs of basketball training. We're comparing 2 hrs of basketball to 10 hrs of baseball.

Links to all this grueling training that MJ was doing?

What did a full day of training on game days consist of in Double A baseball?

MJ would run / exert more energy in one quarter of an NBA game than he would standing in the outfield with his thumb up his ass for an entire baseball game.

[Hey Yo]

I love it when a bunch of couch potatoes on a forum dismiss someone playing a professional sport for over a year.

Professional?? He didn't come close to breaking the Major Leagues. That doesn't happen to players who bat .202

[ImKobe]

MJ Stan’s have all the excuses

So what has Lebron done this season to prove that he's better than Wizards' MJ? a 39 pt game against a mediocre Defense? 38 y.o MJ did this.. Didn't need the 3PT shot either.


https://youtu.be/RFZFBfnmVQY

Current Lebron is averaging 3.8 FTA, 38-39 y.o MJ with 3 years removed from basketball averaged 5.6 FTA in a much tougher defensive era.

[RogueBorg]

MJ Stan’s have all the excuses

Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.

[Baller789]

Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.

https://i.ibb.co/zNzfH0j/the-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-will-smith.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[BigShotBob]

Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.

Uh oh :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Ok, let me ask you a question, has nothing to do with MJ. How many league MVP's and All-Defensive team awards does Lebron have in his 30's? No excuses.

wHaT aBouT hIs tWenTieS

:lol Idiot

[Baller789]

wHaT aBouT hIs tWenTieS

:lol Idiot

https://i.ibb.co/5hvs6LH/download.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Axe]

MJ - Age 35 league MVP, All-Defensive 1st Team.

https://c.tenor.com/GDsfybm5VQUAAAAM/need-i-say-more-redmond.gif
How many without pippen? Lmao.

[Baller789]

How many without pippen? Lmao.

That argument is kinda weak when that coincides with the player's and team's progression to their peaks.

[ClipperRevival]

OP is 5'2"

[j3lademaster]

The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.Longevity has to matter in a GOAT debate imo. The average nba career is 4.5 years, having more than double that in Finals appearances is impressive.

[j3lademaster]

How many without pippen? Lmao.Is Jordan not allowed to have a teammate? If the Bulls got Drob in that draft or Pippen was traded for Kemp and Jordan wins with a different all-star, would his legacy become somehow more impressive?

[Bronbron23]

Links to all this grueling training that MJ was doing?

What did a full day of training on game days consist of in Double A baseball?

MJ would run / exert more energy in one quarter of an NBA game than he would standing in the outfield with his thumb up his ass for an entire baseball game.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/ one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.

[HoopsNY]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/ one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.

I guess baseball players aren't athletes? Of course, only Bran stans believe this. Not to mention ground consistently covered as an OF'er. It's not like MJ was a DH or 1b.

[Baller789]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4sVpVdJDQ frank thomas talking about how he worked harder than everyone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/last-dance-news-michael-jordan-trainer-warned-him-that-baseball-workouts-would-ruin-his-basketball-abilities/amp/ one of the best trainers telling mj how all the baseball training would hurt him physically for basketball. Why would this be if the 2 year break from basketball was actually a break?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/michael-jordan-hit-so-much-that-his-hands-would-bleed/%3famp coaching staff about how he worked so hard his hands would bleed and they worried he was training too hard.

Watch Lebrontards deflect or run away from this post altogether.

[PP34Deuce]

Hard to tell. 37 is older for professional athletes but if you talk to a 40 year old, they'll tell you they wish they could go back to 37 even if they are declining.

I look at it more like the IQ and athletiscm of the younger prospects catches up. Jordan struggled and didn't even defend Kobe Pierce Tmac Carter because they could defend him fairly effectively.

Bron has just enough to juice to outrun guys in the open court but he can't blow by guys anymore nor can he rise up and cram on guys. He's in this weird plays like a throwback big but is tasked with defending the perimeter.

[3ba11]

Hard to tell. 37 is older for professional athletes but if you talk to a 40 year old, they'll tell you they wish they could go back to 37 even if they are declining.

I look at it more like the IQ and athletiscm of the younger prospects catches up. Jordan struggled and didn't even defend Kobe Pierce Tmac Carter because they could defend him fairly effectively.

Bron has just enough to juice to outrun guys in the open court but he can't blow by guys anymore nor can he rise up and cram on guys. He's in this weird plays like a throwback big but is tasked with defending the perimeter.


Kobe was the only guy that Wizards' Jordan didn't defend...

Otherwise, Wizards' Jordan was the primary defender on Tmac, Pierce and Carter - outplaying them about half the time he faced them during the Wizards years.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe was the only guy that Wizards' Jordan didn't defend...

Otherwise, Wizards' Jordan was the primary defender on Tmac, Pierce and Carter - outplaying them about half the time he faced them during the Wizards years.
He didn’t come close to outperforming McGrady in any of their meetings. I don’t know about the others.

[PP34Deuce]

Jordan didn't defend those guys half the time because he didn't play even 70 games first year and he came off the bench for 15 or so games the following year.

Wizards defenders for athletic swing men were RIP and Tyrone Nesby who was athletic and 6 8. Most of Jordan's defensive plays in regular season were his great block in eon mercer. After that, Jordan wasn't clamping guys up nor was he a liability.

My main point was once the next generation has their IQ catch up to their athletiscm that's when an all time player hits the back 9.

[Lebron23]

Not even close

[Gohan]

The knock on Jordan is that he didn't have longevity. Only 13 real seasons played. Too little.
In the little time he did play though he did more than anyone else though. Thats with players having the longevity argument against him

[Johnny32]

current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.

[Baller789]

current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.

On defense?

[Full Court]

current lebron is better than 96-98 mj.

Are you thinking of the same Lebron that I'm thinking of? The one who can't even get what should be a super team, the pre-season favorite in the west, up to .500?

[John_Connor]

current LeBron is a much better player than any version of lebron offensively so yes hes obviously better than wizards jordan.

it is kind of fishy though that lebrons basically a 30ppg player on 54% now even though he never came close to that kind of output and efficiency at the same time in any other of his 18 seasons

[Spurs m8]

I'd have to say, going by the past few days, johnny32 is now officially the dumbest cvnt on ish.

Granted, I don't think even he believes most of what he says....but God dammit hhahahahaah

[Johnny32]

it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.

[3ba11]

it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.


Jordan was top 5 DPOY from 88-98'

Meanwhile, Pippen was hidden in the 98' ECF by guarding the slowest PG of all-time, while MJ had to run a few miles defending HOF Miller.

Jordan was also the primary defender on Gary Payton in Games 3 and 5 of the 96' Finals.

And we can't compare efficiency because Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals or various playoff runs, so he didn't face maximum defensive attention like Jordan.

[StrongLurk]

Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.

[3ba11]

Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.


At this same point in the season, 2002 Jordan was winning with the Wizards (4 seed) and 1 of 3 players getting 25/5/5 (Kobe/Tmac/MJ), while also having numerous 40/50 point games and game-winners over Lebron's bully (Marion).

Otoh, Lebron is a year younger but basically lottery or 1st Round in the West without AD, with the most empty-stat style of all-time (6'9" westbricking)

[Dengness9]

Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon 😅

[Hey Yo]

Tim Duncan was a more impactful franchise player than Lebron. Wake me up when Lebron has 5 titles. He better get it soon ��

Wake me up when prime LeBron loses to an 8th seed.

[Johnny32]

Jordan was top 5 DPOY from 88-98'

Meanwhile, Pippen was hidden in the 98' ECF by guarding the slowest PG of all-time, while MJ had to run a few miles defending HOF Miller.

Jordan was also the primary defender on Gary Payton in Games 3 and 5 of the 96' Finals.

And we can't compare efficiency because Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals or various playoff runs, so he didn't face maximum defensive attention like Jordan.

false. he was 7th in 91 and 6th in 96. it's a rep award anyway. his teammates were much better defenders. from 96-98 he consistently was hidden on the third worst perimeter scorer on the opposing team for long stretches of most games. he got beat like a drum by quick guards during this span. you're not changing history for those of us who saw it. sry.

[Dengness9]

Your Goat only has 4 titles? ��. Sounds like hell to me. You must be another one of Delonte’s bastard children.

[Dengness9]

Well if it’s a rep award, Lebron James reputation for defense is clearly far and away worse than Michaels.

[Johnny32]

Well if it’s a rep award, Lebron James reputation for defense is clearly far and away worse than Michaels.

lebron was 4th in nba.com's dpoy ladder before getting injured last season. how stupid do you feel?

[Dengness9]

Lebron James greatest play ever was a potential finals saving block, Michael Jordans best play was stripping the other teams best player, then also scoring the game winner, he didn’t need someone else to finish the job. You think Lebron wanted to take the last shot against GS? He never even considered it. Thank god he didn’t bc he would’ve choked and Cavs would’ve never won a title behind Kyrie’s confidence to take a series deciding shot

[MadDog]

it's funny how they try to pretend 96-98 jordan wasn't an inefficient chucker on one end who has hidden on defense on the other end. unfortunately for them those of us who watched him (nba lg pass on primestar 96-98) know better.

He wasn't inefficient. Jordan shot 49% in the regular-season and 46% in the playoffs while averaging 30 points. Jordan also made all-defense and led the league in impact metrics. Grab a clue and stop making shit up.

[Johnny32]

oh and speaking of pip's defense in 98.

But if Pippen's defensive performance in Game 3 didn't convince you that he's worthy of being named MVP of the Finals, then what he did on both ends of the court in the Bulls' 86-82 Game 4 victory should have clinched the vote.

Pippen impressed Jerry Sloan.

"He was sensational," said the Jazz's coach.

"He did a terrific job getting in the open court, pulling up and taking the 3-point shots, and got in a great rhythm," Sloan said. "We had a difficult time trying to guard him."

And that was just half the court.

"Defensively, he puts tremendous pressure on you. . . . He caused us a lot of problems, I think everybody is aware of that. We're aware of it," Sloan said. "We have trouble with him every time we play. And I don't know what more you can say. You can put him on any player on the floor, and he's going to do a terrific job defensively."

That versatility amazes ESPN basketball expert Dr. Jack Ramsay, a longtime coach in the NBA. Ramsay ranks Pippen among the outstanding defenders in the history of the game. Right there with K.C. Jones, Mel Hutchins, Satch Sanders and so on.

"I can't conjure up anybody who does all the things that Pippen does as a defender. I mean, he can defend anybody," Ramsay said. "We've seen him defend point guards and take them out of their game, two guards and deny them a shot, small forwards, big forwards. The only player that I haven't seen him defend well is the opposing center. I think he'd have a hard time with Shaq."

"Scottie has done a lot in terms of relieving some of the pressure off of me," said Jordan. "Defensively, he's the key component for us. He's a recovery. And we give him the authority to do whatever he wants on the defensive end . . . He can disrupt anybody's offense, really. And tonight was a great example of that."

https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp

LeREKT.

[Dengness9]

Holy shit, an in season list from nba.com?! Sounds like gospel! Did he make an all defensive team last year? Oh wait, he didn’t even receive a vote. That’s right. Try harder, be less stupid

[Johnny32]

"Scottie has done a lot in terms of relieving some of the pressure off of me," said Jordan.
"Defensively, he's the key component for us."

i wonder what mj meant by this. oh wait i think i know. scottie allows me to hide on defense and focus only on offense. kind of like what i've been saying. shocker.

[Dengness9]

Michael Jordan dragged the Bulls and Scottie through the entire 98 season. Rodman was more important than Pip at that point. Scotties body was failing him big time. Scottie winning finals mvp over MJ who stripped Malone then hit the finals winner? Laughable but keep trying bud!

[Johnny32]

Michael Jordan dragged the Bulls and Scottie through the entire 98 season. Rodman was more important than Pip at that point. Scotties body was failing him big time. Scottie winning finals mvp over MJ who stripped Malone then hit the finals winner? Laughable but keep trying bud!

the jazz coach disagrees with your uneducated opinion.

[Johnny32]

more fun facts from the 98 finals: only steve kerr had a worse defensive rating than mj in the 98 finals.

hurrr, 4th in dpoy voting doe, durrr

[Johnny32]

let's check out the defensive ratings of duh bulls starters in the 96-98 finals. lower is better.

96

pippen - 103
rodman - 104
harper - 106
mj/longley -107

97

pippen - 101
rodman - 101
harper - 103
mj/longley - 105

98

longley - 92
harper - 93
pippen - 97
mj/kukoc - 100 (only kerr had a worse drtg on the entire roster)

summary: mj was tied with longley twice and kukoc once as the worst defensive starter in the 96, 97 and 98 finals.

hurrr, but duh voting results, durrr.

[StrongLurk]

At this same point in the season, 2002 Jordan was winning with the Wizards (4 seed) and 1 of 3 players getting 25/5/5 (Kobe/Tmac/MJ), while also having numerous 40/50 point games and game-winners over Lebron's bully (Marion).

Otoh, Lebron is a year younger but basically lottery or 1st Round in the West without AD, with the most empty-stat style of all-time (6'9" westbricking)

You can cherry pick specific time frames, it doesn't help the FULL reality that Wizards MJ was an embarrassment for the GOAT. He should've kept his last shot as the game winner in his last finals.

[ELITEpower23]

let's check out the defensive ratings of duh bulls starters in the 96-98 finals. lower is better.

96

pippen - 103
rodman - 104
harper - 106
mj/longley -107

97

pippen - 101
rodman - 101
harper - 103
mj/longley - 105

98

longley - 92
harper - 93
pippen - 97
mj/kukoc - 100 (only kerr had a worse drtg on the entire roster)

summary: mj was tied with longley twice and kukoc once as the worst defensive starter in the 96, 97 and 98 finals.

hurrr, but duh voting results, durrr.

SHUT IT DOWN :oldlol:

[SATAN]

let's check out the defensive ratings of duh bulls starters in the 96-98 finals. lower is better.

96

pippen - 103
rodman - 104
harper - 106
mj/longley -107

97

pippen - 101
rodman - 101
harper - 103
mj/longley - 105

98

longley - 92
harper - 93
pippen - 97
mj/kukoc - 100 (only kerr had a worse drtg on the entire roster)

summary: mj was tied with longley twice and kukoc once as the worst defensive starter in the 96, 97 and 98 finals.

hurrr, but duh voting results, durrr.

Interesting.

[HylianNightmare]

Maybe if he had prime Anthony Davis and Westbrook it would have helped MJ

[TheGoatest]

Current Anthony Edwards is a much better player than Wizards Jordan.

[kawhileonard2]

Current Anthony Edwards is a much better player than Wizards Jordan.

Current Carlos Arroyo is better than Lebron remember he beat him in the Olympics.

[John8204]

Michael Jordan dragged the Bulls and Scottie through the entire 98 season. Rodman was more important than Pip at that point. Scotties body was failing him big time. Scottie winning finals mvp over MJ who stripped Malone then hit the finals winner? Laughable but keep trying bud!


LOL good one

Jordan's team was tailor made for him, it failed in Washington and in the 80's because you need specific players for Jordan's game to work. Everyone always says Scottie and Rodman but it was Kukoc, Harper, and Kerr who were all selfless players that allowed for Jordan to be successful.

[Baller789]

On defense?

Anyone?

[Johnny32]

let's check out the defensive ratings of duh bulls starters in the 96-98 finals. lower is better.

96

pippen - 103
rodman - 104
harper - 106
mj/longley -107

97

pippen - 101
rodman - 101
harper - 103
mj/longley - 105

98

longley - 92
harper - 93
pippen - 97
mj/kukoc - 100 (only kerr had a worse drtg on the entire roster)

summary: mj was tied with longley twice and kukoc once as the worst defensive starter in the 96, 97 and 98 finals.

hurrr, but duh voting results, durrr.

speaking of defense.

[Baller789]

speaking of defense.

Drtg? :roll:

[Johnny32]

i'm desperate as fk

yeah it's obvious as fk.

[RRR3]

Maybe if he had prime Anthony Davis and Westbrook it would have helped MJ
Westbrook isn’t helping. Typical Hylianretard

[warriorfan]

Maybe if he had prime Anthony Davis and Westbrook it would have helped MJ

:roll:

[Baller789]

LOL good one

Jordan's team was tailor made for him, it failed in Washington and in the 80's because you need specific players for Jordan's game to work. Everyone always says Scottie and Rodman but it was Kukoc, Harper, and Kerr who were all selfless players that allowed for Jordan to be successful.

You need a team to be successful.

No sh!t Sherlock.

:roll:

And oh dtrg? :roll:

[000]

let's check out the defensive ratings of duh bulls starters in the 96-98 finals. lower is better.

96

pippen - 103
rodman - 104
harper - 106
mj/longley -107

97

pippen - 101
rodman - 101
harper - 103
mj/longley - 105

98

longley - 92
harper - 93
pippen - 97
mj/kukoc - 100 (only kerr had a worse drtg on the entire roster)

summary: mj was tied with longley twice and kukoc once as the worst defensive starter in the 96, 97 and 98 finals.

hurrr, but duh voting results, durrr.
Wow, Longley and Harper stepped up their games SO MUCH in 1998.:eek:

Shouldve been co-DPOYs.:bowdown:

[Johnny32]

Wow, Longley and Harper stepped up their games SO MUCH in 1998.:eek:

Shouldve been co-DPOYs.:bowdown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7VFL9cXTk&ab_channel=ABCNewsIn-depth

[000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7VFL9cXTk&ab_channel=ABCNewsIn-depth

Poor guy. One of the forgotten stars of the 90s:(

[Lebron23]

Obviously Lebron is better than Wizards Jordan, but that version of Jordan was a total joke. He should've never come back, that was embarrassing.

I agree

[kawhileonard2]

And it's not even close. MJ failed to led the Wizards in the playoffs despite playing with Richard Hamilton and the Kevin Love of his era Christian Laettner in 2001-02, Jerry Stackhouse and Larry Hughes in 2002-03.

Wizards also were 14th in ratings to win title in 2002 and 2003 while the Lakers were 2nd this year

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2002_preseason_odds.html

Lakers were 4th in 2019 and didn't even make the playoffs https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019_preseason_odds.html

[MrFonzworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7VFL9cXTk&ab_channel=ABCNewsIn-depth

Holy fk thought that was Sam Hyde.

[Mr. Woke]

Poor guy. One of the forgotten stars of the 90s:(

He was never a star lol.

He was a pretty good role player though.

[j3lademaster]

No doubt Lebron's better, but if we look at Jordan's first year with the Wizards in a vacuum it was pretty impressive. The Wizards started with a completely ass record as Jordan had to play himself back into shape, then got the Wizards coming back to a potential playoff berth with: baby rip hamilton shooting 41%, jahidi white, baby kwame brown, and popeye jones. All while averaging 25 ppg in the toughest defensive climate in NBA history, until he finally was hurt enough to be sidelined. Wizards Jordan gets shit on a lot because it's Michael Jordan, but he was still a franchise player. He'd be even better in the current league with the modern load management culture and less physicality. Imagine MJ in a league where the biggest guy on the court on a nightly basis is about Draymond Green's size, and defenses are designed to give up the mid range.

[2much_knowledge]

Funny fact. Pre injury 2002 jordan had his team #2 in the east while his right hand man missed alot games


Lebron has led hls team to..... #9? Lol

Empty stats are overrated

[Lebron23]

Funny fact. Pre injury 2002 jordan had his team #2 in the east while his right hand man missed alot games


Lebron has led hls team to..... #9? Lol

Empty stats are overrated

and Jordan still missed the playoffs in 2002 despite playing 60 games

[2much_knowledge]

and Jordan still missed the playoffs in 2002 despite playing 60 games

Go to youtube. Search the FREE documentary. Jordan: the wizard years and skip it to the last 10 - 5 minutes with a black screen with white text

You might learn something there

[Lebron23]

Go to youtube. Search the FREE documentary. Jordan: the wizard years and skip it to the last 10 - 5 minutes with a black screen with white text

You might learn something there

And he also played in the weakest era in eastern conference history were teams like the Sixers and Nets advanced in the NBA Finals.

[WhiteKyrie]

Funny fact. Pre injury 2002 jordan had his team #2 in the east while his right hand man missed alot games


Lebron has led hls team to..... #9? Lol

Empty stats are overrated
This is true too. And plays with way, way superior talent. I mean Anthony Davis is the 3rd best player of all time according to PER. Trailing only LeBron, and the GOAT, Jordan.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is so much better it's not even close. Jordan also missed the playoffs in the Leastern Conference.

[Johnny32]

it's crazy how much better legoat is than mj and kobe at similar ages.

lebron at 37 - 29 ppg on 61 ts%, 8 rpg, 6 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.0 bpg
jordone at 38 - 23 ppg on 47 ts%, 6 rpg, 5 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg
chuckobe at 37 - 18 ppg on 47 ts%, 4 rpg, 3 apg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

[Lebron23]

Lebron is averaging 30 ppg this season

[Spurs m8]

Lebron is averaging 30 ppg this season

Let's leave today's inflated stats at the door for a moment...

You realise there's more to basketball than scoring right?

There's no point putting up 30 if it means you're not playing D and can't get the Ws.

This dude is literally gonna finish 11th after starting as a ring favourite....

[Lebron23]

Let's leave today's inflated stats at the door for a moment...

You realise there's more to basketball than scoring right?

There's no point putting up 30 if it means you're not playing D and can't get the Ws.

This dude is literally gonna finish 11th after starting as a ring favourite....

Not his fault him and anthony davis missed plenty of games this season

[theman93]

Not his fault him and anthony davis missed plenty of games this season

They sucked even when they both played.

[Lebron23]

They sucked even when they both played.

https://www.kayfabenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/what.jpg

[FKAri]

A pretty low bar to be fair. Though I will say this about MJ. I was impressed at how much he kept his ego in check that season. Complete contrast to the end of Kobe and Lebron's careers.

[theman93]

https://www.kayfabenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/what.jpg

Did I stutter? They sucked even when they both played.

[ClipperRevival]

A pretty low bar to be fair. Though I will say this about MJ. I was impressed at how much he kept his ego in check that season. Complete contrast to the end of Kobe and Lebron's careers.

:applause:

MJ always had respect for the game.

Kobe took 50 shots in his last game. Guess how many MJ took?

15

MJ didn't need to prove anything in his last game.

[FKAri]

:applause:

MJ always had respect for the game.

Kobe took 50 shots in his last game. Guess how many MJ took?

15

MJ didn't need to prove anything in his last game.

It was his last game. Team was done for the season. He went out with a bang. I have no problem with that even if it is an ego trip. To me the issue was how he prioritized getting his over team success or even the success of teammates... all season long. I had never seen Kobe be that blatantly selfish. I think for someone that competitive it's hard to play on a team that's rebuilding. And he knew he was done so he just stopped giving a fucc. Lebron's selfishness and ego manifests itself in a very different way.

[ClipperRevival]

It was his last game. Team was done for the season. He went out with a bang. I have no problem with that even if it is an ego trip. To me the issue was how he prioritized getting his over team success or even the success of teammates... all season long. I had never seen Kobe be that blatantly selfish. I think for someone that competitive it's hard to play on a team that's rebuilding. And he knew he was done so he just stopped giving a fucc. Lebron's selfishness and ego manifests itself in a very different way.

Yes, it's sad seeing an all time great like Bron just trying to get his.

He even said a few weeks ago, he's having the, "time of his life".

How can you say that when you're losing? Because he's getting his points.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is just a superior player than Wizards Jordan. Not even close.

[ImKobe]

MJ led his team to more wins at 39 and 40 years old.

[Johnny32]

Lebron is just a superior player than Wizards Jordan. Not even close.

lol it's not even up for debate. kobe at 37 vs mj at 38 is closer than lebron vs mj at 37/38.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

At least Michael's Wizards finished #10th place in 2002/2003 at age 39/40, with no all-stars or future HOF teammates. By today's rules they'd be in the play-in. So there's that.

[Johnny32]

lmao you know you have no argument individually whatsoever when you're desperately trying to count wins on lottery teams.

[HoopsNY]

lmao you know you have no argument individually whatsoever when you're desperately trying to count wins on lottery teams.

MJ at 39 is comparable to LeBron at 37. Prior to arthroscopic knee surgery, I think the Wizards were 4th in the conference and one of the better defensive teams in the league. MJ put up 25/6/5/2 on 42% during that time. Offensively it's a no brainer, LeBron is better, but what LeBron isn't excused for is his complete abandonment of defense.

Jordan was drilling his team to play defense that season and if I'm not mistaken, they were like 7th in Opp PPG prior to the surgery. Defense is half of the game and LeBron seemed to not care about that half this year, instead preferring his stat sheet. That obviously had an impact on the team's lethargic defensive play as well.

[HoopsNY]

At least Michael's Wizards finished #10th place in 2002/2003 at age 39/40, with no all-stars or future HOF teammates. By today's rules they'd be in the play-in. So there's that.

2002 and 2003 the Eastern Conference was very weak. Having said that, I do believe it's closer than most Bran stans are willing to admit. I'd say they're about equal, especially when you consider 2001-02 was the peak of the defensive era.

[Johnny32]

MJ at 39 is comparable to LeBron at 37. Prior to arthroscopic knee surgery, I think the Wizards were 4th in the conference and one of the better defensive teams in the league. MJ put up 25/6/5/2 on 42% during that time. Offensively it's a no brainer, LeBron is better, but what LeBron isn't excused for is his complete abandonment of defense.

Jordan was drilling his team to play defense that season and if I'm not mistaken, they were like 7th in Opp PPG prior to the surgery. Defense is half of the game and LeBron seemed to not care about that half this year, instead preferring his stat sheet. That obviously had an impact on the team's lethargic defensive play as well.

nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.

[HoopsNY]

nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.

I'm sorry your mother is also your sister.

[FKAri]

Yes, it's sad seeing an all time great like Bron just trying to get his.

He even said a few weeks ago, he's having the, "time of his life".

How can you say that when you're losing? Because he's getting his points.

To be clear, an ego isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if you're a great player. You need the confidence and leadership assuming ability that come along with it. It's a double edged sword. But the way it's negatives manifest for both Lebron and Kobe are different and interesting. And both have been damaging at times.

It's why the superfans of each think the other is selfish and their guy is all about the team. They're still two of the greatest players in history and it needs to be said that this is all just nitpicking.

[Johnny32]

legoat - 30.3 ppg on 21.8 fga (62.0% 2pt, 35.9% 3pt, 52.4% fg, 59.0% efg, 61.9% ts), 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg

jordone - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga (42.6% 2pt, 18.9% 3pt, 41.6% fg, 42.0% efg, 46.8% ts), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg
chuckobe - 17.6 ppg on 16.9 fga (41.0% 2pt, 28.5% 3pt, 35.8% fg, 41.7% efg, 46.9% ts), 3.7 rpg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

advanced nerd stats.

legoat - 26.2 per, 6.8 obpm, 0.8 dbpm, 7.6 bpm, 5.2 ows, 2.3 dws, 7.5 ws, 5.1 vorp

jordone - 20.7 per, 3.2 obpm, -0.1 dbpm, 3.1 bpm, 1.2 ows, 2.1 dws, 3.3 ws, 2.7 vorp
chuckobe - 14.9 per, 0.9 obpm, -2.4 dbpm, -1.6 bpm, -0.9 ows, 0.5 dws, -0.4 ws, 0.2 vorp

lol mj/kb were so bad. the shooting percentages. negative defenders. kobe horrific in all advanced stats. compare the trash to each other cuz they're not even close to the real goat.

[HoopsNY]

legoat - 30.3 ppg on 21.8 fga (62.0% 2pt, 35.9% 3pt, 52.4% fg, 59.0% efg, 61.9% ts), 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg

jordone - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga (42.6% 2pt, 18.9% 3pt, 41.6% fg, 42.0% efg, 46.8% ts), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg
chuckobe - 17.6 ppg on 16.9 fga (41.0% 2pt, 28.5% 3pt, 35.8% fg, 41.7% efg, 46.9% ts), 3.7 rpg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

advanced nerd stats.

legoat - 26.2 per, 6.8 obpm, 0.8 dbpm, 7.6 bpm, 5.2 ows, 2.3 dws, 7.5 ws, 5.1 vorp

jordone - 20.7 per, 3.2 obpm, -0.1 dbpm, 3.1 bpm, 1.2 ows, 2.1 dws, 3.3 ws, 2.7 vorp
chuckobe - 14.9 per, 0.9 obpm, -2.4 dbpm, -1.6 bpm, -0.9 ows, 0.5 dws, -0.4 ws, 0.2 vorp

lol mj/kb were so bad. the shooting percentages. negative defenders. kobe horrific in all advanced stats. compare the trash to each other cuz they're not even close to the real goat.

Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot 46% from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot 53%. That's a 7% difference. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?

Also, if he was averaging 25 PPG prior to the knee sidelining him, in a league that averaged 95 PPG, what's he doing now? The league averages 110+ now. So MJ is putting up maybe 28/8/6/2 on 47-48%? Mind you, most of his shots would be 2PA, which would mean his percentages are still blow the league average for 2PA.

But either way, the combination of his offense and his defense would be just as valuable, if not more, than what LeBron has done this season.

[Johnny32]

Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot 46% from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot 53%. That's a 7% difference. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?

Also, if he was averaging 25 PPG prior to the knee sidelining him, in a league that averaged 95 PPG, what's he doing now? The league averages 110+ now. So MJ is putting up maybe 28/8/6/2 on 47-48%? Mind you, most of his shots would be 2PA, which would mean his percentages are still blow the league average for 2PA.

But either way, the combination of his offense and his defense would be just as valuable, if not more, than what LeBron has done this season.

lol i wonder if he's embarrassed by how desperate he feels inside after this post. the best part...he starts it off with "nice try" like i did anything but post every relevant stat for each player.

[Johnny32]

ignoring the desperate tard math from the window licker it is interesting to think how mj would fare in today's gm. he was a horrific 18% 3pt shooter. he attempted 73% of his field goals on midrange jumpers lol. i'm not sure he even starts. probably comes off the bench in a melo type role without the 3pta.

[HoopsNY]

ignoring the desperate tard math from the window licker it is interesting to think how mj would fare in today's gm. he was a horrific 18% 3pt shooter. he attempted 73% of his field goals on midrange jumpers lol. i'm not sure he even starts. probably comes off the bench in a melo type role without the 3pta.

Precisely. If MJ is from this era, then he evolves with this era, which means he probably doesn't shoot as low a percentage from 3 point range. But he also didn't take many threes.

If he shot 43% 2PA to the league's 46% 2PA back then, then ____ is to 53% in all likelihood. This doesn't mean he shoots 3% less from 2 point range- meaning 50% - but 47-48% in total between threes and twos isn't unreasonable.

You don't just plant players from different eras into another era without first contextualizing. Not to mention, you gave no consideration for a 3 year absence. He went from 19% from the distance to 29% the next year, and increase of +10. That should tell you something.

[RogueBorg]

nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.

window licker, window licker, window licker....

[RogueBorg]

Nice try. I already said LeBron is better offensively at his age, but differences should be accounted for based on eras.

For example, the league shot 46% from 2 pt range in 2001-02. This season, the league shot 53%. That's a 7% difference. Does this mean that MJ would have shot 49%? Probably not, but maybe something close to it. Maybe 47%?




You are 100% correct here in this analysis. Most people don't understand you can't compare percentages from one era to another. The proper way is to compare a player in their season/era with other players from the same era/season because of exactly what you stated above.

[Johnny32]

Precisely. If MJ is from this era, then he evolves with this era, which means he probably doesn't shoot as low a percentage from 3 point range. But he also didn't take many threes.

If he shot 43% 2PA to the league's 46% 2PA back then, then ____ is to 53% in all likelihood. This doesn't mean he shoots 3% less from 2 point range- meaning 50% - but 47-48% in total between threes and twos isn't unreasonable.

You don't just plant players from different eras into another era without first contextualizing. Not to mention, you gave no consideration for a 3 year absence. He went from 19% from the distance to 29% the next year, and increase of +10. That should tell you something.

i don't care to play fantasy land about how his game evolves if born 20 years later. i just know what his game was with a 3pt line his entire career at the ages of 38-40. his floor jordone scoring skills are bench tier in today's nba.

[Johnny32]

look at me, look at me, look at me....

nah.

[StrongLurk]

Let's see how Bron plays at 38-40.

[Axe]

I'm sorry your mother is also your sister.
:lol

[2much_knowledge]

nothing you type matters. there is no debate no matter how desperately you window lickers try.

Literally everything he typed is real, facts, not like your garbage opinions. The only thing not real is they were 2nd in the east, not 4th

[2much_knowledge]

My question is.... serious question....

If 2002 jordan was inferior to current lebron...

Why jordan was able to play winning basketball and had his team at #2 pre injury?????

With hamilton out ton of games????

Why lebron is not able to play winning basketball???

Btw , westbrook > any 3rd option wizards had

[Johnny32]

Literally everything he typed is real, facts, not like your garbage opinions. The only thing not real is they were 2nd in the east, not 4th

I posted stats tardboy. He made desperate excuses. Lol @ how stupid they are.

[Baller789]

I'm sorry your mother is also your sister.

:roll:

Lil Johnny argues like a woman. All emotions and no logic.

[Johnny32]

legoat - 30.3 ppg on 21.8 fga (62.0% 2pt, 35.9% 3pt, 52.4% fg, 59.0% efg, 61.9% ts), 8.2 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.1 bpg

jordone - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga (42.6% 2pt, 18.9% 3pt, 41.6% fg, 42.0% efg, 46.8% ts), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg
chuckobe - 17.6 ppg on 16.9 fga (41.0% 2pt, 28.5% 3pt, 35.8% fg, 41.7% efg, 46.9% ts), 3.7 rpg, 2.8 rpg, 0.9 spg, 0.2 bpg

advanced nerd stats.

legoat - 26.2 per, 6.8 obpm, 0.8 dbpm, 7.6 bpm, 5.2 ows, 2.3 dws, 7.5 ws, 5.1 vorp

jordone - 20.7 per, 3.2 obpm, -0.1 dbpm, 3.1 bpm, 1.2 ows, 2.1 dws, 3.3 ws, 2.7 vorp
chuckobe - 14.9 per, 0.9 obpm, -2.4 dbpm, -1.6 bpm, -0.9 ows, 0.5 dws, -0.4 ws, 0.2 vorp

lol mj/kb were so bad. the shooting percentages. negative defenders. kobe horrific in all advanced stats. compare the trash to each other cuz they're not even close to the real goat.

Hurrr, comparable, durrr.

[2much_knowledge]

I posted stats tardboy. He made desperate excuses. Lol @ how stupid they are.

Context. Lack of context. You come across as someone who started watching Nba 2 years ago.

You waste my time

[Baller789]

Context. Lack of context. You come across as someone who started watching Nba 2 years ago.

You waste my time

Don't be mean. He's just a socially akward kid with anger issues.

[Johnny32]

Context. Lack of context. You come across as someone who started watching Nba 2 years ago.

You waste my time

I posted all the context needed. Jordone shot 73% of his 22 inefficient chucks per game from midrange. He couldn't get to the rim and he was a terrible 3pt shooter. Bench caliber at best in today's game. And I'm being nice.

[HoopsNY]

My question is.... serious question....

If 2002 jordan was inferior to current lebron...

Why jordan was able to play winning basketball and had his team at #2 pre injury?????

With hamilton out ton of games????

Why lebron is not able to play winning basketball???

Btw , westbrook > any 3rd option wizards had

I forgot about Hamilton missing a bunch of games during that stretch, good point. Yea, safe to say MJ at 39 was > LeBron at 37.

[HoopsNY]

I posted all the context needed. Jordone shot 73% of his 22 inefficient chucks per game from midrange. He couldn't get to the rim and he was a terrible 3pt shooter. Bench caliber at best in today's game. And I'm being nice.

Your stats are decontextualized. But hey, if you're happy with empty stats then be my guest.

[HoopsNY]

I posted empty stats tardboy. He made a legitimate argument with a legitimate analysis. Lol @ how smart they are.

*Fixed

[Johnny32]

Look at the desperate tard flailing all over the place. Jordone getting destroyed in every raw and advanced stat known to man doesn't matter cuz....hurrr, context, durrr.

Nostalgia is an embarrassing emotion.

[HoopsNY]

Look at the desperate tard flailing all over the place. Jordone getting destroyed in every raw and advanced stat known to man doesn't matter cuz....hurrr, context, durrr.

Nostalgia is an embarrassing emotion.

"mrhrmrhmphrmrh mrhrmrhmphrmrh" - bumbling rabid Johnny the Bran Stan whose mother is his sister

[Johnny32]

What's funny is jordone vs rip is a closer comparison than mj vs legoat. Both negative defenders...rip is the more efficient scorer across the board. Mj rebounds and gets more assists. Pretty even overall i'd say.

[Johnny32]

i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.

jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

mj - 42.6 2pt%, lg avg - 46.5%. difference of -2.9%.
mj - 18.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.4%. difference of -16.5%
mj - 41.6 fg%, lg avg - 44.5%. difference of -2.9%
mj - 42.0 efg%, lg avg - 47.7%. difference of -5.7%
mj - 46.8 ts%, lg avg - 52.0%. difference of -3.2%

conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.

lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

lbj - 62.0 2pt%, lg avg 53.2%. difference of +8.8%
lbj - 35.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.3%. difference of +0.6%
lbj - 52.4 fg%, lg avg - 46.1%. difference of +6.3%
lbj - 59.0 efg%, lg avg - 53.1%. difference of +5.9%
lbj - 61.9 ts%, lg avg - 56.5%. difference of +5.4%.

conclusion. efficient scoring machine.

[Johnny32]

like i've said before and the stats back up...current lebron is better than any version of mj after 1993. deal with it.

[Axe]

"mrhrmrhmphrmrh mrhrmrhmphrmrh" - bumbling rabid Johnny the Bran Stan whose mother is his sister
Ether

[TheGoatest]

i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.

jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

mj - 42.6 2pt%, lg avg - 46.5%. difference of -2.9%.
mj - 18.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.4%. difference of -16.5%
mj - 41.6 fg%, lg avg - 44.5%. difference of -2.9%
mj - 42.0 efg%, lg avg - 47.7%. difference of -5.7%
mj - 46.8 ts%, lg avg - 52.0%. difference of -3.2%

conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.

lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

lbj - 62.0 2pt%, lg avg 53.2%. difference of +8.8%
lbj - 35.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.3%. difference of +0.6%
lbj - 52.4 fg%, lg avg - 46.1%. difference of +6.3%
lbj - 59.0 efg%, lg avg - 53.1%. difference of +5.9%
lbj - 61.9 ts%, lg avg - 56.5%. difference of +5.4%.

conclusion. efficient scoring machine.

Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:

Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.

[Johnny32]

Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:

Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.

exactly. lol the window licker had no clue the destruction he was about to lay upon himself when he brought up league averages.

[Johnny32]

What's funny is jordone vs rip is a closer comparison than mj vs legoat. Both negative defenders...rip is the more efficient scorer across the board. Mj rebounds and gets more assists. Pretty even overall i'd say.

as i mentioned earlier...this is a much better comparison.

jordone - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga (42.6 2pt%, 18.9 3pt%, 41.6 fg%, 42.0 efg%, 46.8 ts%), 5.7 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.4 bpg
hamilton - 20.0 ppg on 17.2 fga (43.8 2pt%, 38.1 3pt%, 43.5 fg%, 44.3 efg%, 51.1 ts%), 3.4 rpg, 2.7 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.2 bpg

[Johnny32]

Chucker Jordone - 22.9 ppg on 22.1 fga (42.6 2pt%, 18.9 3pt%, 41.6 fg%, 42.0 efg%, 46.8 ts%)
Cuttino Mobley - 21.7 ppg on 18.4 fga (45.5 2pt%, 39.5 3pt%, 43.8 fg%, 49.3 efg%, 53.7 ts%)

lol this inefficient chucking fraud is getting his shit pushed in by everyone.

[Johnny32]

legoat - 30.3 ppg on 21.8 fga, 6.0 fta (62.0 2pt%, 35.9 3pt%, 52.4 fg%, 59.0 efg%, 61.9 ts%)
embiid - 30.4 ppg on 19.7 fga, 11.8 fta (52.5 2pt%, 36.5 3pt%, 49.5 fg%, 53.0 efg%, 61.2 ts%)

see the difference. legoat compares favorably to the leagues scoring leader and mvp candidate embiid. while jordone gets his shit pushed in by cuttino fkn mobley lol.

[MadDog]

The early 2000s are arguably the greatest defensive era - statistically, its tops among DRTG. 39 & 40 year old Jordan saw this same defense night in and out. Does the retard above not realize that? :confusedshrug:

[MadDog]

Your stats are decontextualized. But hey, if you're happy with empty stats then be my guest.

If we go by impact, and not raw numbers like that retard used, Jordan was top 5 in RPM (among SGs). Again, this is at 40 years old and during the GOAT defensive climate. Some chide MJ for his play because it messed with his career averages - but he faired well. If not for injury, I shudder to think what he'd put up.

[Johnny32]

If we go by impact, and not raw numbers like that retard used, Jordan was top 5 in RPM (among SGs). Again, this is at 40 years old and during the GOAT defensive climate. Some chide MJ for his play because it messed with his career averages - but he faired well. If not for injury, I shudder to think what he'd put up.

He was 38 you excuse making ******. He scored less efficiently than the league average so your pathetic whining is irrelevant. FloorDone has been exposed.

[MadDog]

He was 38 you excuse making ******. He scored less efficiently than the league average so your pathetic whining is irrelevant. FloorDone has been exposed.

Jordan was 40 in 2003, mouth breather. While you desperately cling to efficiency, MJ still impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Fact.

[HoopsNY]

i believe the window licker brought up league averages earlier. let's do it the correct way.

jordan's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

mj - 42.6 2pt%, lg avg - 46.5%. difference of -2.9%.
mj - 18.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.4%. difference of -16.5%
mj - 41.6 fg%, lg avg - 44.5%. difference of -2.9%
mj - 42.0 efg%, lg avg - 47.7%. difference of -5.7%
mj - 46.8 ts%, lg avg - 52.0%. difference of -3.2%

conclusion: below average inefficient chucker.

lebron's shooting percentages vs the lg avg.

lbj - 62.0 2pt%, lg avg 53.2%. difference of +8.8%
lbj - 35.9 3pt%, lg avg - 35.3%. difference of +0.6%
lbj - 52.4 fg%, lg avg - 46.1%. difference of +6.3%
lbj - 59.0 efg%, lg avg - 53.1%. difference of +5.9%
lbj - 61.9 ts%, lg avg - 56.5%. difference of +5.4%.

conclusion. efficient scoring machine.

No context provided for

1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era

2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league

3) A 2 year age difference

4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery

And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.

[Johnny32]

Jordan was 40 in 2003, mouth breather. While you desperately cling to efficiency, MJ still impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Fact.

The topic of discussion has clearly been 37 yr old legoat vs 38 year old poor mans cuttino mobley, window licker.

[Johnny32]

Did jordone trade rip for stack so he could shamelessly chuck inefficiently without anyone bringing up his teammate (rip) should prob be shooting 25 times per gm and mj 12 based on those horrific percentages.

That squad isn't winning 10 games in today's nba btw lol holy shit late 90s early 00s was really bad.

[MadDog]

No context provided for

1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era

2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league

3) A 2 year age difference

4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery

And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.

My numbers were taken from the 2003 season. Or when Jordan was 40. He also played a handful of games at 39, the season prior. Any way you slice it, MJ was better than his raw numbers. If his knee held up, he would've both had MVP consideration and his team in the playoffs.

[MadDog]

The topic of discussion has clearly been 37 yr old legoat vs 38 year old poor mans cuttino mobley, window licker.

Wrong retard. The "topic of discussion" was my quote to Hoops. 02 Jordan also played a handful of games at 39. Get your facts straight.

[Johnny32]

If, could, wah, blah, when will they face reality and realize it was all a lie. Probably never. Plz luv their jordone, even when he was a below average inefficient chucker and a negative defender, plz.

[MadDog]

If, could, wah, blah, when will they face reality and realize it was all a lie. Probably never. Plz luv their jordone, even when he was a below average inefficient chucker and a negative defender, plz.

40 year old Jordan impacted the game like a top 5 sg. Against players damn near half his age! Lol why does that upset you? :confusedshrug:

[Johnny32]

Wrong retard. The "topic of discussion" was my quote to Hoops. 02 Jordan also played a handful of games at 39. Get your facts straight.

Look how desperate she is to argue about anything besides jordone's below league average shameless inefficient chucking. Can't blame her...it's pretty hard to defend.

[MadDog]

Look how desperate she is to argue about anything besides jordone's below league average shameless inefficient chucking. Can't blame her...it's pretty hard to defend.

Autist32 wants to ignore objective data lol. Sorry retard, but impact>efficiency.

[Johnny32]

Summary: lebron's scoring efficiency is top 1 tier. Jordone's scoring efficiency was below league average.

For those just catching up! LeYawn.

[Baller789]

Summary: lebron's scoring efficiency is top 1 tier. Jordone's scoring efficiency was below league average.

For those just catching up! LeYawn.

How much impact does Lebron's efficiency having now?

[GimmeThat]

guess the thread just reads more players prefer to play like the current Lebron over Wizards Jordan

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron failed to make the playoffs with 4 other players who were top 75 all time and included two guys who won league mvp on the same team missed the playoffs.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs

[Soundwave]

36 year old Jordan won an NBA championship, NBA MVP, Finals MVP, scoring title, AND hit the game winning shot in the freaking Finals.

So suddenly LeBron's 37 year old season doesn't look like shit by comparison, lol.

Fact is it was much harder to score in the late 90s/early 2000s and many players had lower shooting percentages, LeBron himself didn't have a season of above .500 shooting until his 7th year in the league when the NBA was all guns forward on opening the game up for more scoring.

We didn't really get to see what Wizards Jordan could do, because just as he was getting into shape and starting to push the Wizards into playoff position and getting his scoring average up to 26 ppg (which would be more like 30-32 ppg in the current no defense league), he suffered a torn knee and that type of injury can derail a 25 year old's career, a 39 year old ... forget it.

If this year's Lakers had a Wizards Jordan, but the version pre-knee injury ... they make the playoffs IMO (not even just a play in team).

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/HPq2FJW/1-A42-DC1-C-6-CE1-4-EDF-ABE5-D094789-E3184.jpg (https://ibb.co/1XTnvSD)

https://i.ibb.co/YBMLCrH/CFFA1-DBE-7-BE0-4-D83-A9-A5-5-D32-A074-D0-B8.jpg (https://ibb.co/QvRKg5y)

https://i.ibb.co/8828ZK4/459-BD788-05-C1-4359-AD82-8-D685-ED43146.jpg (https://ibb.co/WKFKJxp)

https://i.ibb.co/pW5rQ5W/265-BB9-EA-42-C5-4-DC4-A9-E1-E01801824-B52.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[2much_knowledge]

No context provided for

1) The height of the defensive era vs. a defenseless era

2) The fact that MJ was 3 years removed from the league

3) A 2 year age difference

4) Stats that include both pre and post arthroscopic knee surgery

And most of all, impact. As Maddog mentioned, you're not considering impact, especially when we consider casts. I don't believe the gap between the two are wide, but I do believe MJ's overall impact at age 38 is more meaningful. You can take LeBron, I choose differently.

Too much correct context and and factual logic here. Not designed for dumb haters or newbies lol

[2much_knowledge]

36 year old Jordan won an NBA championship, NBA MVP, Finals MVP, scoring title, AND hit the game winning shot in the freaking Finals.

So suddenly LeBron's 37 year old season doesn't look like shit by comparison, lol.

Fact is it was much harder to score in the late 90s/early 2000s and many players had lower shooting percentages, LeBron himself didn't have a season of above .500 shooting until his 7th year in the league when the NBA was all guns forward on opening the game up for more scoring.

We didn't really get to see what Wizards Jordan could do, because just as he was getting into shape and starting to push the Wizards into playoff position and getting his scoring average up to 26 ppg (which would be more like 30-32 ppg in the current no defense league), he suffered a torn knee and that type of injury can derail a 25 year old's career, a 39 year old ... forget it.

If this year's Lakers had a Wizards Jordan, but the version pre-knee injury ... they make the playoffs IMO (not even just a play in team).

Another person who actually knows what he is talking about..

[2much_knowledge]

Damn... DE-stroyed! :oldlol:
Jordan extremist alts are going to do their best to ignore such factual evidence. Bu... bu... but "inflated stats era" :roll:

Wizards Jordan was flat out a poor basketball player, no matter how you slice it. Comparing him to this era, comparing him to averages of his own era or any previous era.

A poor basketball player who had his team at #2 with his right hand man injured alot of games.

Lebron is the most awesome player ever who cant even make the play in LOL

[Lebron23]

Not even close

[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan wasn't a net negative.

LeShrivel, the Lakers' dead weight, is.

OP is shook.

:lebroncry:

[Iverson3]

LeBron haters trying to point out that LeBron had Larry Hughes on his 2007 finals squad while avoiding the subject of Jordan failing to make the playoffs that had a 50-32 #1 seed in the east while playing with Larry Hughes:

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg

:roll:

And here is a picture of Rip Hamilton just a couple years after he freed himself from the shackles of that ball hog:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcrfPkBXsAAcSX4.jpg

Wizards Jordan wasn't even a top 25 player in the league. I agree

[Lebron23]

Wizards Jordan was garbage. Missed the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 season in the Weakstern Conference

[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan was garbage. Missed the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 season in the Weakstern Conference

:roll: You're a desperate idiot. Jordan got injured and was almost 40 years old. Your hero Bronie missed the playoffs in 2019. And got eliminated in the first round in 2021. And missed the playoffs with a super team in 2022. And he's in the lottery bracket again. And he's a net negative.

Just face it that your hero is barely top ten. And that's only because he's jumped to stacked teams. And he's also the greatest choker of all time.

[Lebron23]

:roll: You're a desperate idiot. Jordan got injured and was almost 40 years old. Your hero Bronie missed the playoffs in 2019. And got eliminated in the first round in 2021. And missed the playoffs with a super team in 2022. And he's in the lottery bracket again. And he's a net negative.

Just face it that your hero is barely top ten. And that's only because he's jumped to stacked teams. And he's also the greatest choker of all time.

West is better than the Lestern Conference

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron missed the playoffs with peak AD and Westbrook and also Melo and Dwight Howard and won even less games at that.

[Full Court]

West is better than the Lestern Conference

For the last couple years the east is way more stacked than the west. The best players, KD, Tatum, Giannis, Embiid, are all in the east. The west has Jokic. For teams that have a good chance of winning the finals, there's the Bucks, Celtics, Nets, and Cavs. In the West? Grizzlies. And maybe the Pelicans if a miracle happens.

[Legend248]

West is better than the Lestern Conference

honestly you need to STFU before I go to the Philippines and whip your ****ing ass....you are ****ing annoying....get a life dumb filipino monkey

[Soundwave]

This is actually one thing I will grant Bronnies, LeBron probably is better at age 38.

*That said* I think being a bit taller helps you age better as you don't need to jump quite as high to get your shot off, get dunks off, etc. Being 6'8 over 6'6 helps in this regard, Karl Malone is also about that size and we saw he was able to play effectively for a long time too.

Also I don't think Wizards Jordan was ever like 100% in shape. He kinda just decided on a whim to come back after not playing much for three years at an advanced age which probably isn't a good idea and then broke his ribs in the summer playing pick up, started to get back into shape and his numbers started to look good and then he tore his knee and you're not coming back from a knee tear at age 38/39, no way.

Beyond that I do think LeBron takes better care of his body, Jordan was an athletic freak with incredible body mass index and a pure athlete, don't get me wrong, but it seems like as his career went on he was into playing poker all night, smoking cigars, staying up for most nights, playing huge amounts of golf in-season ... while I think Jordan's great athleticism let him get away with doing that in his late 20s/30s and it was necessary to blow off steam given the fishbowl atmosphere he lived in, it's hard to pull that off at age 38/39.

That said though I do suspect LeBron is also taking illegal supplements to prolong his career. There's no way anyone with a straight face can say Wade wasn't on some shit in Miami when LeBron was there, and if Wade was doing it, I bet LeBron got hooked on it too. LeBron just didn't have the pre-existing knee conditions Wade had and probably these days is using something even better and harder to detect than 10 years ago.

[Lebron23]

Just saw an old article about Jordan being a ballhog when he played for the Wizards. Michael Jordan averaged more field goal attempts per game than points when he played for Wizards. 25 field goal attempts compared to 21 points per game.

Jordan wanted to score over 30,000 points. Winning is not his priority.
that's why that wizards team never made it in the playoffs. that team ain't bad relative to their era and competitions i meant the east sucks in the early 2000's​.

https://nypost.com/2001/11/29/but-jordan-must-change-his-ball-hoggin-ways/

[Full Court]

Just saw an old article about Jordan being a ballhog when he played for the Wizards. Michael Jordan averaged more field goal attempts per game than points when he played for Wizards. 25 field goal attempts compared to 21 points per game.

Jordan wanted to score over 30,000 points. Winning is not his priority.
that's why that wizards team never made it in the playoffs. that team ain't bad relative to their era and competitions i meant the east sucks in the early 2000's​.

https://nypost.com/2001/11/29/but-jordan-must-change-his-ball-hoggin-ways/

Jordan won way more than LeShrivel with far fewer years of playing.

Jordan was the better player. Period. Your hero is a loser. Get over it.

[Soundwave]

Just saw an old article about Jordan being a ballhog when he played for the Wizards. Michael Jordan averaged more field goal attempts per game than points when he played for Wizards. 25 field goal attempts compared to 21 points per game.

Jordan wanted to score over 30,000 points. Winning is not his priority.
that's why that wizards team never made it in the playoffs. that team ain't bad relative to their era and competitions i meant the east sucks in the early 2000's​.

https://nypost.com/2001/11/29/but-jordan-must-change-his-ball-hoggin-ways/

They were trending to a playoff spot as he was getting into shape his first year there, then he had the knee injury which basically put a stop to that.

If he wanted to get it done the easy way he could've just signed with the Lakers and joined Phil with Shaq and Kobe, Phil tried to talk him into returning in 2000.

[Lebron23]

They were trending to a playoff spot as he was getting into shape his first year there, then he had the knee injury which basically put a stop to that.

If he wanted to get it done the easy way he could've just signed with the Lakers and joined Phil with Shaq and Kobe, Phil tried to talk him into returning in 2000.

With Jordan massive ego. I don't think he can accept the fact that he only average 14-16 ppg if he plays with the Lakers. Jordan was statspadding in his Wizards days. He had plenty of games in which he scored in single digits.

[Soundwave]

With Jordan massive ego. I don't think he can accept the fact that he only average 14-16 ppg if he plays with the Lakers. Jordan was statspadding in his Wizards days. He had plenty of games in which he scored in single digits.

He probably could still get 20+ a night with that run support, Phil wouldn't bring him there to do that to him. Kobe would have to wait a bit before he could go off on scoring sprees, but 28 Shaq, 22 Jordan, 22-23 Kobe is still only like 73 points.

[Lebron23]

Not even close

[Full Court]

Not even close

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F2f763 d5dc6561140e834e75746d23081%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3 D4252788&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=eb3388925cbedf4e8c0f6cf28093112583aecbd15203e4 1043e8a2be1c8afa08&ipo=images

[kawhileonard2]

Not even close

You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.

[8Ball]

This is actually one thing I will grant Bronnies, LeBron probably is better at age 38.

*That said* I think being a bit taller helps you age better as you don't need to jump quite as high to get your shot off, get dunks off, etc. Being 6'8 over 6'6 helps in this regard, Karl Malone is also about that size and we saw he was able to play effectively for a long time too.

Also I don't think Wizards Jordan was ever like 100% in shape. He kinda just decided on a whim to come back after not playing much for three years at an advanced age which probably isn't a good idea and then broke his ribs in the summer playing pick up, started to get back into shape and his numbers started to look good and then he tore his knee and you're not coming back from a knee tear at age 38/39, no way.

Beyond that I do think LeBron takes better care of his body, Jordan was an athletic freak with incredible body mass index and a pure athlete, don't get me wrong, but it seems like as his career went on he was into playing poker all night, smoking cigars, staying up for most nights, playing huge amounts of golf in-season ... while I think Jordan's great athleticism let him get away with doing that in his late 20s/30s and it was necessary to blow off steam given the fishbowl atmosphere he lived in, it's hard to pull that off at age 38/39.

That said though I do suspect LeBron is also taking illegal supplements to prolong his career. There's no way anyone with a straight face can say Wade wasn't on some shit in Miami when LeBron was there, and if Wade was doing it, I bet LeBron got hooked on it too. LeBron just didn't have the pre-existing knee conditions Wade had and probably these days is using something even better and harder to detect than 10 years ago.

Wizards Jordan was already breaking down early in the season. He had knee problems starting in training camp. It wasn't a shape issue. His body was just breaking down.

Jordan simply does not have longevity.

Bron just came back from a foot tendon tear at 38.

[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan was already breaking down early in the season. He had knee problems starting in training camp. It wasn't a shape issue. His body was just breaking down.

Jordan simply does not have longevity.

Bron just came back from a foot tendon tear at 38.

And still a higher impact player than LeShrivel was at 36 years old. There's levels to this GOAT stuff. And Bronie is about 4 levels below Jordan.

[8Ball]

Bron at 36 was all-nba level player.

Jordan wasn't even close, and Jordan was given 3 years load management + 1.5 more in 94 and 95.

[Full Court]

Bron at 36 was all-nba level player.

Jordan wasn't even close, and Jordan was given 3 years load management + 1.5 more in 94 and 95.

Jordan at 38 was still a competent defender. Bronie at 36 was a statue on defense to save energy for stat padding.



Truth hurts.

[Lebron23]

2023 LeBron >>>> 2001-2003 Michael Jordan

[kawhileonard2]

You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.

[Lebron23]

You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.

Rest In Peace Michael Jordan

[kawhileonard2]

Rest In Peace Michael Jordan

You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.

[Lebron23]

You right. Lebron couldn't make playoffs with Peak Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony and only won 33 games.

You are retarded. Welcome to my ignore lists

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[kawhileonard2]

You are retarded. Welcome to my ignore lists

These are facts.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st) - 1st round lost

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd) - No Play in.

[Lebron23]

https://scontent.fmnl8-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/340781680_949669616377448_5351774255044650701_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=0_cN2_8iJyoAX9OoiLg&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl8-3.fna&oh=00_AfBLkrg340OPlxSRMBWJQ0l7b0U7h08D68QksQSv5Kcj 5Q&oe=64377281

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[Johnny32]

richard hamilton was a more efficient scorer than 38/39 yr old lil mikey. he's not even in the same ballpark as 38 yr old legoat.

[kawhileonard2]

richard hamilton was a more efficient scorer than 38/39 yr old lil mikey. he's not even in the same ballpark as 38 yr old legoat.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA. Wade and Kobe won titles with Shaq. KD led a team to the finals with Westbrook, Lebron didn't even make the play in with Westbrook. KD won gold medal with Dame. Lebron won bronze medal with Duncan and Iverson. Need I say more?

[Johnny32]

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA. Wade and Kobe won titles with Shaq. KD led a team to the finals with Westbrook, Lebron didn't even make the play in with Westbrook. KD won gold medal with Dame. Lebron won bronze medal with Duncan and Iverson. Need I say more?

uh, what?

[kawhileonard2]

Ill post again.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA. Wade and Kobe won titles with Shaq. KD led a team to the finals with Westbrook, Lebron didn't even make the play in with Westbrook. KD won gold medal with Dame. Lebron won bronze medal with Duncan and Iverson. Need I say more?

[Johnny32]

more incoherent rambling.

maybe have mommy help you.

[kawhileonard2]

maybe have mommy help you.

Yes

Ill post again.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA. Wade and Kobe won titles with Shaq. KD led a team to the finals with Westbrook, Lebron didn't even make the play in with Westbrook. KD won gold medal with Dame. Lebron won bronze medal with Duncan and Iverson. Need I say more?

[Lebron23]

LeBron scoring 40 points in Game 4

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron scoring 40 points in Game 4

Lebron got swept by a team that never swept anyone before. Lebron predicted to win title with #2 odds missed play in.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd)

[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan would have easily won a championship with this Lakers team.

[Lebron23]

Wizards Jordan would have easily won a championship with this Lakers team.

Cannot even lead the Wizards in the Leastern Conference.

[Full Court]

Cannot even lead the Wizards in the Leastern Conference.

LeShrivel led a SUPERTEAM to the LOTTERY.

Ponder that deeply, and you may be closer to finding wisdom.

[Lebron23]

LeShrivel led a SUPERTEAM to the LOTTERY.

Ponder that deeply, and you may be closer to finding wisdom.

Just STFU Bro. You are a **********.

[Lebron23]

Still a much better player. And lebron is playing in the West

[WhiteKyrie]

LeBron is horrendous. Stands around all game. No defense. Cherry picks. Doesn’t even get back on defense. Needs to stiff arm and push and not get called for offensive fouls to get to the basket. Spams easy buckets. Is shooting like 36% outside just a few feet from the rim. It’s hilariously bad. And has been like this for years. He knows when and how to pad his box score, to fool people who don’t know what they’re watching. Much better than Jordan? Nah. On defensive grounds and consistency alone. LeBron just plays with far superior talent.

[Baller234]

lebron is in better shape at this age than any player before him i can remember (attribute to that what you will)

more importantly you can't compare the league today to the league from the early 2000's. jordan had to contend with zone defense and zero spacing. wayy harder to score during that time.

and he still managed to put up 40 and 50 here and there.

[warriorfan]

LeBron is horrendous. Stands around all game. No defense. Cherry picks. Doesn’t even get back on defense. Needs to stiff arm and push and not get called for offensive fouls to get to the basket. Spams easy buckets. Is shooting like 36% outside just a few feet from the rim. It’s hilariously bad. And has been like this for years. He knows when and how to pad his box score, to fool people who don’t know what they’re watching. Much better than Jordan? Nah. On defensive grounds and consistency alone. LeBron just plays with far superior talent.

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[Full Court]

Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.

[ShawkFactory]

Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.

What are the facts there?

[Walk on Water]

Wizards Jordan had more positive impact on a way worse team than Lebron has. That's a fact.


I agree wholeheartedly 100 percent

[Full Court]

What are the facts there?

Read the sentence immediately before the text that says, "That's a fact."

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron couldn't even make play in with peak Anthony Davis and prime Russell Westbrook both of which are mvp candidates and one won league mvp and is the all time leader in triple doubles and this despite being 2nd in odds to win it all.

[ShawkFactory]

Read the sentence immediately before the text that says, "That's a fact."

Yea it was was pretty heavily implied that I was referring to the sentence before. You made yourself what some call a declarative statement. As such, you should provide facts to support such a statement. Ya dig?

[3ba11]

What are the facts there?


Jordan was 30-30 with that Wizards team in 2002 and his cast was much worse than Lebron has now

And everyone who watched back then knows that the Wizards were 26-21 (surging 4 seed) at which point MJ got hurt and limped to 60 games before sitting out the rest of the season.

MJ was one of 3 guys getting 25/5/5 (27/6/6 in today's era) and had multiple game winners and numerous 40 or 50 point games due to pull-up ability that Lebron lacks... That's better than current Lebron

[Full Court]

Yea it was was pretty heavily implied that I was referring to the sentence before. You made yourself what some call a declarative statement. As such, you should provide facts to support such a statement. Ya dig?

For one, Jordan was still putting out effort on defense right up until the end. He had slowed down a lot, but he wasn't a revolving door getting blown by like Lebron is. His refusal to "waste" energy on defense is what makes Lebro a net negative. We all know he can still score.

Also, see 3ball's post above.