Has anyone won FMVP averaging 6 or fewer combined rebs/assists?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Anyone know? :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

Rodman averaged 8 rebounds per game and didn't start, while Pippen was pure aids (15.7 on 41%}

So MJ had no help but still won

[Pip' N Rodman]

So MJ had no help but still won


So why did Jordan lose with an all-star teammate in 1990 and 1995?

LeBron won without any all-star teammates in 2016


So LeBron had less help

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron lost in 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017 with 2 other stars on his team. He also won bronze medals with 11 other stars.

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3

[Pip' N Rodman]

Lebron lost in 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017 with 2 other stars on his team. He also won bronze medals with 11 other stars.

Who were the 2 stars in 2015?

https://judebphoto.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/cavs-starting-line-up.jpg

[3ba11]

So why did Jordan lose with an all-star teammate in 1990 and 1995?

LeBron won without any all-star teammates in 2016


So LeBron had less help


Reasons for Bulls' losses with multiple all-stars



1990: Pippen legendary choke
1994: Pippen legendary choke
1995: Pippen Pandemic P (19.0 on 40%)


Unlike Lebron, Jordan won Finals without equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he defeated maximum defensive attention (carry-job), while Lebron never carried the scoring load (defeated max defensive attention) on the Finals level.

[Spurs m8]

Winning is all about empty stats, boys!!!!

Losing is just as good, as long as you get your empty stats!!!!

The whole game is about empty stats!!!!

[Pip' N Rodman]

Reasons for Bulls' losses with multiple all-stars



1990: Pippen legendary choke
1994: Pippen legendary choke
1995: Pippen Pandemic P (19.0 on 40%)


Unlike Lebron, Jordan won Finals without equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he defeated maximum defensive attention (carry-job), while Lebron never carried the scoring load (defeated max defensive attention) on the Finals level.

So how did LeBron win in 2013 with Wade getting 15.9 ppg on 49% TS (WOAT 2nd option). Every game was a choke for Wade

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3

Hello is this on?

[3ba11]

So how did LeBron win in 2013 with Wade getting 15.9 ppg on 49% TS (WOAT 2nd option). Every game was a choke for Wade


Those are Wade's stats for the weak East with a Big 3 - he averaged peak Pippen stats against the West in the Finals, and nearly as much as Lebron - so Lebron never carried the scoring load on the Finals level and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention (carry-job)..

[Pip' N Rodman]

Those are Wade's stats for the weak East with a Big 3

Lies.. that was his stats for the entire playoff run.

And you wanna add rebounds/assists/defense as well when comparing him to Pippen?

[3ba11]

Lies.. that was his stats for the entire playoff run.

And you wanna add rebounds/assists/defense as well when comparing him to Pippen?


he averaged peak Pippen stats against the West and nearly as much as Lebron - so Lebron never carried the scoring load on the Finals level and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention (carry-job)..

[Pip' N Rodman]

he averaged peak Pippen stats against the West and nearly as much as Lebron - so Lebron never carried the scoring load on the Finals level and therefore never defeated maximum defensive attention (carry-job)..

Add up Wade's points/rebounds/assists and compare it to any Peak Pippen playoff run, thanks

[3ba11]

Add up Wade's points/rebounds/assists and compare it to any Peak Pippen playoff run, thanks


Pippen's worst-ever efficiency confirmed that he couldn't handle the 2nd option load and was only a 2nd option alongside MJ.




Add up Wade's points/rebounds/assists and compare it to any Peak Pippen playoff run, thanks


Wade's worst Finals win...... 19.6 on 47%.. outscored opposing 1st option
Pippen's worst Finals win.... 15.7 on 34%.. outscored by Schrempf
Pippen Career Finals............ 19.0 on 42%

[Pip' N Rodman]

Pippen's worst-ever efficiency confirmed that he couldn't handle the 2nd option load and was only a 2nd option alongside MJ.






Wade's worst Finals win... 19.6 on 47%.... outscored opposing 1st option
Pippen Career Finals........ 19.0 on 42%


rebounds/assists/defense?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Rebounding is a positional stat and neither guy was the team's rebounding leader so who cares

And Wade always averaged more assists than Pippen until he played with assist-reducer Lebron.

It's a statistical fact that Lebron's unique frontcourt ball-dominance reduces teammates' assists (playmaking) and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing)

So you admit even the worst version of Pippen outproduced any version of Wade (points/rebounds/assissts)

Thanks

[ELITEpower23]

So you admit even the worst version of Pippen outproduced any version of Wade (points/rebounds/assissts)

Thanks

Bloodbath.

[3ba11]

rebounds/assists/defense?


No need because Wade's worst Finals win (20 on 47%) was so much better than Pippen's (15.7 on 34%)

Wade outscored the opposing 1st option, while Pippen was outscored by Schrempf

[Pip' N Rodman]

Have we figured this out yet?

[TheCorporation]

The only one I can think of was 1998 Jordan with his 4 rebs, 2 asts while shooting .427% FG :lol

Easily the worst FMVP of all time among top 15 players.