B.1.1.529?

[oldtimer28]

South Africa’s government said Thursday it was considering new public-health restrictions to contain the new variant, dubbed B. 1.1.529. Scientists say it has a high number of mutations that may make it more transmissible and allow it to evade some of the immune responses triggered by previous infection or vaccination. The variant has been detected in a South African traveler in Hong Kong.

So what was the point for all those addicted to Vs - just a ridiculous situation. They will spin it and say variants are a reason to be V - but think of the logic, these Vs have no longterm testing results and not even short term testing results against variants. Yet, everyone seems to madly see Vs as the solution for anything related to Covid...sigh

I am completely lost at the madness that has enveloped the world.

The extreme left are winning control globally.

[kabacho]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1463890439581442051

https://i.ibb.co/LtzJbX0/1637889522662.png (https://ibb.co/6PR1V7y)

[kabacho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ8t0qQ5R4I

[jstern]

The WHO had a meeting on what to name this new variant, and they narrowed it down to Omicron. The Omicron variant, the variant of concern.

[fsvr54]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1463890439581442051

https://i.ibb.co/LtzJbX0/1637889522662.png (https://ibb.co/6PR1V7y)

108? WTF. How many players are in the fifa league total?

[MrFonzworth]

108? WTF. How many players are in the fifa league total?

Its not a league it's the governing body of football that covers hundreds of thousands of players in leagues across all continents.

[Axe]

Just in time to destroy the holidays and whatever plans people have before this year ends.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFNQ4-_X0Agod5l?format=jpg&name=small

[Cleverness]

Biden admin announces travel ban for South Africa and 7 other countries, citing new variant (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-admin-announces-travel-ban-for-south-africa-and-7-other-countries-citing-new-variant-523394)

Biden has taken another page out of the Trump playbook; this time it's a travel ban on South Africa and 7 other countries, per source above.

When will Trump's travel bans end? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495811-When-will-Trump-s-travel-bans-end) :rolleyes:

[diamenz]

Biden admin announces travel ban for South Africa and 7 other countries, citing new variant (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-admin-announces-travel-ban-for-south-africa-and-7-other-countries-citing-new-variant-523394)

Biden has taken another page out of the Trump playbook; this time it's a travel ban on South Africa and 7 other countries, per source above.

When will Trump's travel bans end? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495811-When-will-Trump-s-travel-bans-end) :rolleyes:

surely cnn is talking about how racist this new travel ban is! oh no wait, trump's gone.

[Patrick Chewing]

Stop listening to people that are trying to scare you about Covid.

[kabar]

Biden admin announces travel ban for South Africa and 7 other countries, citing new variant (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-admin-announces-travel-ban-for-south-africa-and-7-other-countries-citing-new-variant-523394)

Biden has taken another page out of the Trump playbook; this time it's a travel ban on South Africa and 7 other countries, per source above.

When will Trump's travel bans end? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495811-When-will-Trump-s-travel-bans-end) :rolleyes:

Do you have a spreadsheet cataloguing your shitty ISH threads? :oldlol:

[BigKobeFan]

Do you have a spreadsheet cataloguing your shitty ISH threads? :oldlol:

The local idiot finally shows his face

[oldtimer28]

The local idiot finally shows his face

I have these trolls on ignore. They are sadly lost causes that show their dogmatic irrationality each time they breathe.

Shame they try to bring down happy, healthy, and thinking people through fear and attempts at insults and intimidation.

[JohnnySic]

The Dems must be pissed. They were probably saving this bogus variant for midterms. They were gonna bring back the white supremacy nugget after Kyle's trial (if you paid attention, you may have noticed that covid/vaccine mania was fairly quiet during the trial) but had to can that plan after the Waukesha incident. So its back to fear porn. Guess they'll have to come up with something else later.

[BigKobeFan]

I have these trolls on ignore. They are sadly lost causes that show their dogmatic irrationality each time they breathe.

Shame they try to bring down happy, healthy, and thinking people through fear and attempts at insults and intimidation.

That idiot kabar was so certain that trump colluded with russia that he started insulting everyone that disagreed with him. I just called him an idiot throughout the entire time.

That thread didnt age very well

[Cleverness]

Do you have a spreadsheet cataloguing your shitty ISH threads? :oldlol:

Aren't you the guy who supports the official narrative regarding social distancing, masks, travel bans, and overwhelmed hospitals?


I have these trolls on ignore. They are sadly lost causes that show their dogmatic irrationality each time they breathe.

Shame they try to bring down happy, healthy, and thinking people through fear and attempts at insults and intimidation.

I don't need to put them on ignore. Just ask kabar a few basic questions regarding his position and he'll disappear.

[Cleverness]

That idiot kabar was so certain that trump colluded with russia that he started insulting everyone that disagreed with him. I just called him an idiot throughout the entire time.

That thread didnt age very well

Trump said to social distance, wear masks, ban travel, and get the vaccine. I'm pretty sure kabar agrees with Trump on all 4 accounts ... even believes in the "overwhelmed hospital" narrative.

[bladefd]

The Dems must be pissed. They were probably saving this bogus variant for midterms. They were gonna bring back the white supremacy nugget after Kyle's trial (if you paid attention, you may have noticed that covid/vaccine mania was fairly quiet during the trial) but had to can that plan after the Waukesha incident. So its back to fear porn. Guess they'll have to come up with something else later.

Question for you. If this was just a bogus variant, why would they come out with it now instead of waiting when it was more beneficial? The economy was beginning to get back to better than the last 15 months, and suddenly new restrictions. You mention the Waukesha incident. What is your reasoning there, genius? Let's hear what the new Qanon conspiracy is. :lol


This doesn't seem worse than the average covid variant according to early accounts so I do think people should not overreact. I don't like seeing countries close down air travel or panic just a couple of days after the news broke without actually doing their due diligence. Reach out to the epidemiologists first to look into it instead of automatically jumping to lockdowns..

[JohnnySic]

Question for you. If this was just a bogus variant, why would they come out with it now instead of waiting when it was more beneficial? The economy was beginning to get back to better than the last 15 months, and suddenly new restrictions. You mention the Waukesha incident. What is your reasoning there, genius? Let's hear what the new Qanon conspiracy is. :lol


.

I made myself pretty I think.

1.) The Dems were going to push white supremacy again after the Kyle trial (It was pretty clear that Kyle was going to get off.) They actually did for a couple of days post trial, then Waukeshia happened, which killed their mojo considering white people (including a child) were murdered by a pro-BLM'er. That's why its relevant.

2.) They're bring out the variant now because they have no other choice. The Dems thrive on manufactured crises and negative energy. With white supremacy off the table for now, their only other fake crisis option other than covid is climate change and no one who isn't a drooling idiot cares about that. So, covid it is.

3.) None of this is Qanon, just a personal theory. I dont subscribe to Qanon but compared to the drivel that comes from the left, Qanon is actually preferarble.

[BigKobeFan]

I made myself pretty I think.

1.) The Dems were going to push white supremacy again after the Kyle trial (It was pretty clear that Kyle was going to get off.) They actually did for a couple of days post trial, then Waukeshia happened, which killed their mojo considering white people (including a child) were murdered by a pro-BLM'er. That's why its relevant.

2.) They're bring out the variant now because they have no other choice. The Dems thrive on manufactured crises and negative energy. With white supremacy off the table for now, their only other fake crisis option other than covid is climate change and no one who isn't a drooling idiot cares about that. So, covid it is.

3.) None of this is Qanon, just a personal theory. I dont subscribe to Qanon but compared to the drivel that comes from the left, Qanon is actually preferarble.

Qanon is much more factual than CNN

[bladefd]

I made myself pretty I think.

1.) The Dems were going to push white supremacy again after the Kyle trial (It was pretty clear that Kyle was going to get off.) They actually did for a couple of days post trial, then Waukeshia happened, which killed their mojo considering white people (including a child) were murdered by a pro-BLM'er. That's why its relevant.

2.) They're bring out the variant now because they have no other choice. The Dems thrive on manufactured crises and negative energy. With white supremacy off the table for now, their only other fake crisis option other than covid is climate change and no one who isn't a drooling idiot cares about that. So, covid it is.

3.) None of this is Qanon, just a personal theory. I dont subscribe to Qanon but compared to the drivel that comes from the left, Qanon is actually preferarble.

Why though? What do they gain from smashing the stock market and a somewhat recovering economy? There is no election right now in the near few months. This doesn't boost Biden's approval rating if we have to go into more lockdowns & restricted travel. If anything, it could hurt his approval rating. It can make inflation worse. Why would he or democrats want to risk that?

[theman93]

The 4 individuals who tested positive for the Omicron variant all had the safe and effective* vaccines.

https://beckernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Screenshot-11_26_2021-6_36_26-PM.jpg

[diamenz]

The 4 individuals who tested positive for the Omicron variant all had the safe and effective* vaccines.

https://beckernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Screenshot-11_26_2021-6_36_26-PM.jpg

the vaccines don't prevent spread or infection. you know this.

[outofstomach]

Qanon is much more factual than CNN

you’re a ****ing idiot

[outofstomach]

The 4 individuals who tested positive for the Omicron variant all had the safe and effective* vaccines.

https://beckernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Screenshot-11_26_2021-6_36_26-PM.jpg
so, do you wanna explain why a vaccine would be effective against a NEW strain of the virus?

[theman93]

so, do you wanna explain why a vaccine would be effective against a NEW strain of the virus?

I'm not the one claiming that. That would be the experts. You should take it up with them.



Collins also stressed the need for people to get vaccinated and for those who are fully vaccinated to get their booster shots.

"The booster — it basically enlarges the capacity of your immune system to recognize all kinds of different spike proteins it's never seen," Collins said.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/11/28/1059623783/fauci-says-the-omicron-variant-will-inevitably-appear-in-the-u-s


Fauci Says Omicron Likely More Contagious So Get Vaccinated

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-28/no-reason-to-panic-over-omicron-but-boosters-aid-says-nih-head

[diamenz]

I'm not the one claiming that. That would be the experts. You should take it up with them.




https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/11/28/1059623783/fauci-says-the-omicron-variant-will-inevitably-appear-in-the-u-s



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-28/no-reason-to-panic-over-omicron-but-boosters-aid-says-nih-head

i don't want to get into a one-up back & forth here because i honestly don't like to participate in that, but from your article:


Collins appeared on CNN's State of the Union said he thinks people who have already been vaccinated "will probably be OK," but that scientists will likely need two or three weeks to determine that.


Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, said “there’s no reason to panic, but ... a great reason to go get boosted” with the discovery of omicron last week in South Africa. Existing vaccines have worked against mutations and may again now, he said on “Fox News Sunday.”


i think the covid hysteria is overblown as well and fauci & friends are hacks, but let's at least ATTEMPT to be fair here.

[tpols]

It is pretty wild. The vaccines that were literally just given out are no longer effective against new variants. Which are what is present now, only a few months later.

So they don't work short term (< a year) and there's no studies long term (3-5+ years) so how can somebody possibly come to the conclusion they are the fix all solution? It really is absolute illogical insanity. Propaganda really does work.

[diamenz]

It is pretty wild. The vaccines that were literally just given out are no longer effective against new variants. Which are what is present now, only a few months later.

So they don't work short term (< a year) and there's no studies long term (3-5+ years) so how can somebody possibly come to the conclusion they are the fix all solution? It really is absolute illogical insanity. Propaganda really does work.

ugh.

again, they're not saying for certain that the vaccines do indeed work or don't work again omicron. or am i missing something?

the vaccines (according to 'them') were indeed 'effective' against delta.

[tpols]

ugh.

again, they're not saying for certain that the vaccines do indeed work or don't work again omicron. or am i missing something?

the vaccines (according to 'them') were indeed 'effective' against delta.

If they were effective against delta countries with 80-90+% vaccination rates wouldn't be experiencing record case rates.

Look guy.... If you can't see the new variant booster shot merry go round game thats being played on you... its honestly baffling how gullible you (and others to be fair) are.

I just hope the house of cards and lies falls before enough people are stupid enough to keep believing it all. A lot are waking up though.

[Off the Court]

If they were effective against delta countries with 80-90+% vaccination rates wouldn't be experiencing record case rates.

Look guy.... If you can't see the new variant booster shot merry go round game thats being played on you... its honestly baffling how gullible you (and others to be fair) are.

I just hope the house of cards and lies falls before enough people are stupid enough to keep believing it all. A lot are waking up though.
The vaccine doesn't stop cases it only stops deaths. See Gibraltar. Diamenz isn't a tin foil clown like you so he already knows this. Your low IQ theories change weekly. The powers that be don't gain anything from us not working and slaving away like ants for a higher GDP. Citizens working and creating wealth is the only thing that gives governments power. Unfortunately you're incapable of thinking past "it's a trick to get sheeplez!".

[diamenz]

If they were effective against delta countries with 80-90+% vaccination rates wouldn't be experiencing record case rates.

Look guy.... If you can't see the new variant booster shot merry go round game thats being played on you... its honestly baffling how gullible you (and others to be fair) are.

I just hope the house of cards and lies falls before enough people are stupid enough to keep believing it all. A lot are waking up though.

yes, tpols - we already know where you stand on the 'sheep' front. we already know what you're going to say before you say it.

addressing your point... cases are irrelevant - this virus is endemic. vaccines DO NOT prevent spread.

[tpols]

addressing your point... cases are irrelevant - this virus is endemic. vaccines DO NOT prevent spread.

Wait a second...



Terms to know

Outbreak - Refers to the number of cases (disease) that exceeds what would be expected

Endemic - An infection within a geographic location that is existing perpetually

Pandemic - A global epidemic


So now were not in a pandemic? Its just an endemic? This virus isn't spread all over the world and is only contained to a specific demographic region?

Cases are irrelevant? What happened to the "stop the spread" mantra?

:oldlol:

You clowns can barely put one foot in front of the other.

[Loco 50]

yes, tpols - we already know where you stand on the 'sheep' front. we already know what you're going to say before you say it.

addressing your point... cases are irrelevant - this virus is endemic. vaccines DO NOT prevent spread.

Man is trolling or pathologically stupid. Disengage, hermano.

[bladefd]

The vaccine doesn't stop cases it only stops deaths. See Gibraltar. Diamenz isn't a tin foil clown like you so he already knows this. Your low IQ theories change weekly. The powers that be don't gain anything from us not working and slaving away like ants for a higher GDP. Citizens working and creating wealth is the only thing that gives governments power. Unfortunately you're incapable of thinking past "it's a trick to get sheeplez!".

That will never enter tpols' head. He is too far down the rabbit hole to understand that, even if you tell him that a hundred times. He only hears, sees, and reads what he wants to hear, see and read.

[tpols]

COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.


Straight from the CDC website.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

Now were hearing they don't stop the spread from you fellas. And were not in a pandemic, but an endemic. Maybe its a transdemic. That would make more sense. :lol

[jstern]

so, do you wanna explain why a vaccine would be effective against a NEW strain of the virus?

CDC now says all adults should get COVID booster shots amid Omicron fears


The CDC upped its urgency over coronavirus vaccine boosters Monday, saying every US adult should now get the extra shot because of the Omicron variant.

The federal agency previously said that while every adult was eligible for a booster, only those age 50 and older and those 18 and above in long-term care should really make a point of getting it.

But given heightened concerns over Omicron, the CDC now says that everyone over 18 “should” get the boosters.

“Today, CDC is strengthening its recommendation on booster doses for individuals who are 18 years and older,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement.

“The recent emergence of the Omicron variant further emphasizes the importance of vaccination, boosters, and prevention efforts needed to protect against COVID-19,” she said.

The agency said adults should seek booster shots six months after their second dose of the Moderna and Pfizer jabs or two months after the Johnson & Johnson shot.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/new-cdc-warning-all-adults-should-get-boosters-amid-omicron/

[bladefd]

Straight from the CDC website.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

Now were hearing they don't stop the spread from you fellas. And were not in a pandemic, but an endemic. Maybe its a transdemic. That would make more sense. :lol

Flu vaccines are never 100% effective. It fluctuates from season to season.

As for covid vaccines, pretty much all articles I have read say they lessen the probability of spread as well. Perhaps not very well, but they do. And yes, they absolutely lessen the chance of getting severe symptoms, which by itself makes it effective. The question remaining is not 'if it's effective' but rather 'how long does it remain'. And maybe there could be an even more effective vaccine in the future that significantly lessens spread altogether rather than primarily severe symptoms.

[FultzNationRISE]

CDC now says all adults should get COVID booster shots amid Omicron fears



https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/new-cdc-warning-all-adults-should-get-boosters-amid-omicron/


:roll:


blade already in line.

[theman93]

i don't want to get into a one-up back & forth here because i honestly don't like to participate in that, but from your article:






i think the covid hysteria is overblown as well and fauci & friends are hacks, but let's at least ATTEMPT to be fair here.


jstern beat me to it. See below.



CDC now says all adults should get COVID booster shots amid Omicron fears



https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/new-cdc-warning-all-adults-should-get-boosters-amid-omicron/

[AKA_AAP]

bladefd be like:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0120/0692/products/kiss-cut-stickers-5.5x5.5-default-61158d48debef.jpg?v=1628802380

[theman93]

The less harmful omicron variant (as Chair of S. African Med Soc, Dr. Coetzee states, “we don’t see severely ill patients...the hype that’s been created in the media and worldwide doesn’t correlate with the clinical picture” https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1465344629373640708?s=20) just so happens to cause the main harmful side effect of the vaccines. :lol :lol

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/091/836/541/original/b3d1630f4a3ae216.jpg

[diamenz]

Wait a second...



So now were not in a pandemic? Its just an endemic? This virus isn't spread all over the world and is only contained to a specific demographic region?

Cases are irrelevant? What happened to the "stop the spread" mantra?

:oldlol:

You clowns can barely put one foot in front of the other.

what in the flying f*** are you talking about tpols? the virus is endemic - it's here to stay. in other words, it's NOT going away.

yes, cases are irrelevant because like i said... endemic. everyone's going to catch covid eventually if they haven't already.

what "stop the spread" mantra? when did i ever say or push that? stop generalizing everyone as sheep and playing with definitions in an attempt to just shit on people.

if you want to address my original statement with something other than arguing how vaccines aren't stopping spread (because they don't), then i'd love to hear it.

[diamenz]

jstern beat me to it. See below.

alright, then i'll quote that article.


Walensky noted that early data from South Africa suggests that the new strain is highly transmissible and that scientists are still gauging the effectiveness of existing vaccines in combating the new variant.

The cdc are going to push the vaccines, period. in this case, they're doing it as a precautionary.

bro, i get it - i don't like it either. pharmaceutical companies are milking this for all it's worth and the government along with the media are enabling them, but back to the original point... the vaccines don't prevent spread & infection, so the fact that the vaccinated are catching omicron doesn't mean shit. it does not mean the vaccines aren't doing their job in preventing and/or lowering the probability of serious illness and death. the effectiveness of that is of course up for debate.

[theman93]

alright, then i'll quote that article.



The cdc are going to push the vaccines, period. in this case, they're doing it as a precautionary.

bro, i get it - i don't like it either. pharmaceutical companies are milking this for all it's worth and the government along with the media are enabling them, but back to the original point... the vaccines don't prevent spread & infection, so the fact that the vaccinated are catching omicron doesn't mean shit. it does not mean the vaccines aren't doing their job in preventing and/or lowering the probability of serious illness and death. the effectiveness of that is of course up for debate.

It means everything. If you don't know the effectiveness, then don't push for a vaccine that has a chance to turn out to be useless.

[Cleverness]

The vaccine doesn't stop cases it only stops deaths.

Hmm, are there any RCTs that have shown a statistically significant difference in deaths? theman93 actually posted about the Pfizer trial that showed no statistically significant difference in deaths between the vaccine and placebo groups.


15 patients who received the vaccine died; 14 who received the placebo died.

baudkarma, who has claimed outrageous things in the past, posted in the thread. Unfortunately he (once again) abandoned the thread when he was asked to back up his claims. :(
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death&p=14410653&viewfull=1#post14410653

[Cleverness]

Trump's travel restrictions for Covid-19 began in January 2020. Biden kept them going.

Does anyone know how many Covid-19 infections Trump/Biden's travel restrictions have prevented so far in the US? (Any recent studies and/or estimates?)

[SATAN]

Yes.

[Axe]

It means everything. If you don't know the effectiveness, then don't push for a vaccine that has a chance to turn out to be useless.
:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.

[AKA_AAP]

:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.

You mean the Operation Warp Speed Mr. Donald Trump vaccines?

[theman93]

Hmm, are there any RCTs that have shown a statistically significant difference in deaths? theman93 actually posted about the Pfizer trial that showed no statistically significant difference in deaths between the vaccine and placebo groups.



baudkarma, who has claimed outrageous things in the past, posted in the thread. Unfortunately he (once again) abandoned the thread when he was asked to back up his claims. :(
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496379-Pfizer-vaccine-clinical-trial-shows-it-does-nothing-to-reduce-overall-risk-of-death&p=14410653&viewfull=1#post14410653

There has been an UPDATE***** to this study.

21 patients who received the vaccine died, not 15.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fda-quietly-discloses-that-21-not-15-people-died-during-pfizers-jab-trials/

[theman93]

:roll:

Without the existence of these vaccines, there's a big chance that the world economy would have been in a complete standstill until now.

Nah.

But since you believe that you should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the world. :lol

[Axe]

You mean covid happened under Mr. Donald Trump?

Nah.

But since you believe that you should be cursing Donald Trump's administration for causing the pandemic. :lol
Ftfy guys :roll:

[Cleverness]

There has been an UPDATE***** to this study.

21 patients who received the vaccine died, not 15.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fda-quietly-discloses-that-21-not-15-people-died-during-pfizers-jab-trials/

Wow. Thanks for the update. diamenz, you seeing this?

It would be nice if we had a Covid "vaccine" with an RCT showing a reduction in death & hospitalization, but I can't find one.

[Cleverness]

Nah.

But since you believe that you should be thanking Donald Trump for saving the world. :lol

Trump told Axe to social distance, wear masks, and get the vaccine... Axe took his advice literally and has been preaching it on this forum quite a bit as of late... we shouldn't be surprised to know that Axe is a big fan of Trump and Trump's Covid-19 team.

[diamenz]

Wow. Thanks for the update. diamenz, you seeing this?

It would be nice if we had a Covid "vaccine" with an RCT showing a reduction in death & hospitalization, but I can't find one.

discouraging... personally especially. i like to think my parents (77 & 78) are safer with the jab. now, not so much...


Despite a group of doctors and academics filing a lawsuit to obtain the FDA’s complete data profile of the Pfizer jab, the agency suspiciously denied the request for transparency and asked a judge to delay the release of the data until the year 2076, some 55 years after the FDA gave the green light to roll out the experimental shots to millions of people in the country.

hmm...?

[theman93]

Trump told Axe to social distance, wear masks, and get the vaccine... Axe took his advice literally and has been preaching it on this forum quite a bit as of late... we shouldn't be surprised to know that Axe is a big fan of Trump and Trump's Covid-19 team.

:roll: :roll:

[Cleverness]

discouraging... personally especially. i like to think my parents (77 & 78) are safer with the jab. now, not so much...



hmm...?

As I've said on here a few times, I *think* the jab would be good for elderly folk who haven't already had Covid, but

- I don't know. it's based on anecdotes and limited data.
- their effectiveness is massively overrated and quite frankly, unknown at this point because we don't have any solid trials (that I know of) showing a reduction in hospitalization & death.

We know that many people are classified as a Covid hospitalization even though they may have already been in the hospital otherwise. This helps explain why hospitalizations are way below what they were in 2018 & 2019 vs 2020. Check this link out... https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html ... shows 29.2% Covid hospitalizations with Pregnancy as an underlying medical condition... begs the question... how many of these women would have been to the hospital regardless of Covid? Perhaps they were delivering a baby and caught a cold (Covid) in the hospital during their stay or some routine procedure and happened to test positive...? who knows... :confusedshrug:

[theman93]

As I've said on here a few times, I *think* the jab would be good for elderly folk who haven't already had Covid, but

- I don't know. it's based on anecdotes and limited data.
- their effectiveness is massively overrated and quite frankly, unknown at this point because we don't have any solid trials (that I know of) showing a reduction in hospitalization & death.

We know that many people are classified as a Covid hospitalization even though they may have already been in the hospital otherwise. This helps explain why hospitalizations are way below what they were in 2018 & 2019 vs 2020. Check this link out... https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html ... shows 29.2% Covid hospitalizations with Pregnancy as an underlying medical condition... begs the question... how many of these women would have been to the hospital regardless of Covid? Perhaps they were delivering a baby and caught a cold (Covid) in the hospital during their stay or some routine procedure and happened to test positive...? who knows... :confusedshrug:

This could help provide some answers

https://beckernews.com/new-covid-policies-failed-proof-43258/

[Axe]

Trump told Axe to social distance, wear masks, and get the vaccine... Axe took his advice literally and has been preaching it on this forum quite a bit as of late... we shouldn't be surprised to know that Axe is a big fan of Trump and Trump's Covid-19 team.
Stop making lies. It's not even funny.

[kabacho]

https://i.ibb.co/P4Vs3XM/1638344169849.png (https://ibb.co/mtPr1Z0)

[Cleverness]

Stop making lies. It's not even funny.

Where's the lie? :ohwell:

[kabacho]

TThe powers that be don't gain anything from us not working and slaving away like ants for a higher GDP. Citizens working and creating wealth is the only thing that gives governments power. Unfortunately you're incapable of thinking past "it's a trick to get sheeplez!".
the power that be want to sell as many vaccines as possible. destroying small business all over the country benefits them.
most big tech companies have grown with the pandemic.

[kabacho]

https://i.ibb.co/3CMcsPH/1638386410390-1.png (https://ibb.co/G5tRJrj)

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://twitter.com/MadMoneyOnCNBC/status/1465771660506808338


Listen to this Bull$hit.

[oldtimer28]

https://twitter.com/MadMoneyOnCNBC/status/1465771660506808338


Listen to this Bull$hit.

love the comments about that he should be fired for this nonsense.

Completely irrelevant and he has no credibility.

[SATAN]

Completely irrelevant and he has no credibility.

https://cdn.drawception.com/drawings/Klkcox1kbS.png

[Nanners]

Trump's travel restrictions for Covid-19 began in January 2020. Biden kept them going.

Does anyone know how many Covid-19 infections Trump/Biden's travel restrictions have prevented so far in the US? (Any recent studies and/or estimates?)

Trumps racist travel restrictions didnt save any lives, but Bidens science based restrictions have saved millions!

source: I am the science

[Nanners]

As I've said on here a few times, I *think* the jab would be good for elderly folk who haven't already had Covid, but

- I don't know. it's based on anecdotes and limited data.
- their effectiveness is massively overrated and quite frankly, unknown at this point because we don't have any solid trials (that I know of) showing a reduction in hospitalization & death.

We know that many people are classified as a Covid hospitalization even though they may have already been in the hospital otherwise. This helps explain why hospitalizations are way below what they were in 2018 & 2019 vs 2020. Check this link out... https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html ... shows 29.2% Covid hospitalizations with Pregnancy as an underlying medical condition... begs the question... how many of these women would have been to the hospital regardless of Covid? Perhaps they were delivering a baby and caught a cold (Covid) in the hospital during their stay or some routine procedure and happened to test positive...? who knows... :confusedshrug:

Perhaps the hospitals are used rigged PCR tests to create "infections" out of thin air!