Restaurant debate

[hateraid]

If someone was at a restaurant and received the bill, the server walked away to do another duty, so the patron left the money on the table and left. The server comes to the table and the money is gone. No other server took the bill.
Who is more responsible for the missing money? The server or the patron?

[tpols]

If someone was at a restaurant and received the bill, the server walked away to do another duty, so the patron left the money on the table and left. The server comes to the table and the money is gone. No other server took the bill.
Who is more responsible for the missing money? The server or the patron?

Check the cameras and you can easily see. Most restaurants have cameras spanning the whole building for every aisle.

[hateraid]

Check the cameras and you can easily see. Most restaurants have cameras spanning the whole building for every aisle.

Besides the point.
Would you leave money on the table and walk away?

[tpols]

Besides the point.
Would you leave money on the table and walk away?

People leave money in the book they give you with the bill inside all the time and leave. Only time they wait is when they need to give a card, get it back, and sign the tip in. If somebody left money in the book, it'd be easily verifiable via video if anybody walked by and snatched it.

[diamenz]

Would you leave money on the table and walk away?

yeah, that's the way it's done unless like tpols said you're paying by card or need change.

it's neither party's fault or lack of being responsible... it's just plain theft.

[iamgine]

Between the server and patron, neither is more responsible since both are perfectly normal behavior.

[hateraid]

People leave money in the book they give you with the bill inside all the time and leave. Only time they wait is when they need to give a card, get it back, and sign the tip in. If somebody left money in the book, it'd be easily verifiable via video if anybody walked by and snatched it.

And if there's no cameras?

Not all restaurants have cameras or give you a book with a bill inside. Pop up patios, mom and pops, hole in the wall..

For the sake of the argument there is no camera

[hateraid]

Between the server and patron, neither is more responsible since both are perfectly normal behavior.

Leaving money on the table is perfectly normal?

[fsvr54]

Leaving money on the table is perfectly normal?

In Europe I did it all the time.

Here in the states I just wait, not sure why.

[hateraid]

In Europe I did it all the time.

Here in the states I just wait, not sure why.

Because making sure the transaction is complete is a common courtesy?

[ArbitraryWater]

Because making sure the transaction is complete is a common courtesy?

Lol you just roasted us all.

Even I thought it would be ok before this post.

However if the waiter leaves… and takes a while… his fault.

[iamgine]

Leaving money on the table is perfectly normal?
Yeah it is, like the posters above has described.

[clipps]

People leave money in the book they give you with the bill inside all the time and leave. Only time they wait is when they need to give a card, get it back, and sign the tip in. If somebody left money in the book, it'd be easily verifiable via video if anybody walked by and snatched it.

Not every restaurant has cameras you ****ing goon. A decent server would pay attention to that and take a peak as the patrons are leaving. If there's no cash, you chase them down and beat the living **** out of them.

[clipps]

If someone was at a restaurant and received the bill, the server walked away to do another duty, so the patron left the money on the table and left. The server comes to the table and the money is gone. No other server took the bill.
Who is more responsible for the missing money? The server or the patron?

The ****ing server.

[hateraid]

Lol you just roasted us all.

Even I thought it would be ok before this post.

However if the waiter leaves… and takes a while… his fault.

If I was giving money I like to wait for the server so I can let them know they can keep the change. I wait for the money to change hands that way I know there's zero discrepancy.

Geez some of you sound like impatient and entitled. I wish I had friends like you. If I owed you guys money I'd just leave it in your mailbox. If it's not in there not my problem. Lol

[nightlight]

Why beat around the bush? You were never worried about theft. You wanted the server to bow down and be grateful for the tip.

so I can let them know they can keep the change.

:roll:

[hateraid]

Why beat around the bush? You were never worried about theft. You wanted the server to bow down and be grateful for the tip.


:roll:

So it's wrong to appreciate service and reward a server?

I would expect you to get the idea of completing a transaction since lack lack any sort of refinement.

[warriorfan]

Why beat around the bush? You were never worried about theft. You wanted the server to bow down and be grateful for the tip.


:roll:

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Op is the Filipino George Costanza.

[baudkarma]

Ordinarily, I'd say the patron has the major responsibility to make sure they payment is safely transferred. But... servers have tricks. Let's say your bill comes to around $15. Figure your server has provided reasonably good service, but nothing special, the 20% tip puts the bill at $18. So you want to pay cash, you lay a $20 on the table and wait for your server to collect the money and deliver your change. Your server sees that bill and is suddenly "busy". You wait a couple of minutes, then you decide to just leave because it's only two dollars. But your server is $2 up, and if he can work that scheme just a couple of times an hour he's doing reasonably well

[72-10]

If someone was at a restaurant and received the bill, the server walked away to do another duty, so the patron left the money on the table and left. The server comes to the table and the money is gone. No other server took the bill.
Who is more responsible for the missing money? The server or the patron?

This might sound ironic considering the server offered a service, but the legal tender has transferred from being the patron's property to the server's property since it is then on the server's property. The onus is on the server to collect the money; if the money is lost or stolen, I suppose it is a loss for the server. Of course, it is rude of the patron to leave early.

[clipps]

So it's wrong to appreciate service and reward a server?

I would expect you to get the idea of completing a transaction since lack lack any sort of refinement.

Where's the response to my ****ing post, idiot? You're a ****ing retard.

[hateraid]

Where's the response to my ****ing post, idiot? You're a ****ing retard.

I'm sorry, did you address me personally? Boy you did dumb.

[hateraid]

This might sound ironic considering the server offered a service, but the legal tender has transferred from being the patron's property to the server's property since it is then on the server's property. The onus is on the server to collect the money; if the money is lost or stolen, I suppose it is a loss for the server. Of course, it is rude of the patron to leave early.

Interesting. So if I was at Footlocker and nobody was there to help me at the till I can leave the money on the counter and walk out with a pair of shoes?

[hateraid]

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Op is the Filipino George Costanza.

Curious, how does one leave a tip when paying for crack? Do you get a receipt and write it off?

[diamenz]

Interesting. So if I was at Footlocker and nobody was there to help me at the till I can leave the money on the counter and walk out with a pair of shoes?

are you playing dumb in this thread, or what?

[Hey Yo]

So it's wrong to appreciate service and reward a server?

I would expect you to get the idea of completing a transaction since lack lack any sort of refinement.

90% of the time I'll use the card, but always try to tip in cash. I'd rather give it to server personally to make sure they get it, plus compliment them if I got good service.

[clipps]

I'm sorry, did you address me personally? Boy you did dumb.

Make sure you address me as "Sir" next time.:kobe:

[hateraid]

90% of the time I'll use the card, but always try to tip in cash. I'd rather give it to server personally to make sure they get it, plus compliment them if I got good service.

Well according to refined posters like warriorfan and nightlight you're bragging and expecting the server to bow down! Lol

Yes, I always pay card. But these particular cases I'm curious about because I am regular at certain establishments where they make the server pay the tab on a walkout and to me that's wrong.

[hateraid]

are you playing dumb in this thread, or what?

So it's dumb to close a transaction?

Again, some of you seem entitled and impatient to not be able to pay a server directly.

[hateraid]

Make sure you address me as "Sir" next time.:kobe:

What happened to you? You used to be pleasant. You seemed to have aged backward. Sir Benjamin Button

[diamenz]

So it's dumb to close a transaction?

Again, some of you seem entitled and impatient to not be able to pay a server directly.

restaurants and foot lockers are two entirely different beasts. when i read that, my first thought was that this guy is just playing games. in what country do you reside? it's obviously different everywhere, but in first world countries (not saying you aren't from one) the etiquette is mostly as people have said - leave cash on the table. it's a rarity that someone will snatch it - especially considering there are usually other patrons around... it's not a worthy crime. especially in higher end restaurants, it's simply non-existent.

[hateraid]

restaurants and foot lockers are two entirely different beasts. when i read that, my first thought was that this guy is just playing games. in what country do you reside? it's obviously different everywhere, but in first world countries (not saying you aren't from one) the etiquette is mostly as people have said - leave cash on the table. it's a rarity that someone will snatch it - especially considering there are usually other patrons around... it's not a worthy crime. especially in higher end restaurants, it's simply non-existent.

It's relatable due to the principle. Obviously the Footlocker example is exaggerated but the principles are the same. Just like if I owe you money and I said I left it in the mail. If you didn't receive it, then what's the proof it happened? I never leave cash on the table partially because I don't trust people and I have empathy for people who work in these industries. So asking to be accountable to give someone cash payment should be on the patron to see it changes hands. There are many instances where people get drunk, someone thought the other person paid, intentional walkouts....where people don't pay the bill. It's not just stealing. Until you get the reciept there is no confusion.

[72-10]

90% of the time I'll use the card, but always try to tip in cash. I'd rather give it to server personally to make sure they get it, plus compliment them if I got good service.

Wow, you sound like a nice guy.

[Nanners]

Besides the point.
Would you leave money on the table and walk away?

Depends entirely on the restaurant. I have no problem leaving a pile of cash on the table at most Portland restaurants, especially the higher end ones... but if I am eating at a Waffle house in Columbus GA I would probably wait around to make sure the waitress gets the money.

[iamgine]

It's relatable due to the principle. Obviously the Footlocker example is exaggerated but the principles are the same. Just like if I owe you money and I said I left it in the mail. If you didn't receive it, then what's the proof it happened? I never leave cash on the table partially because I don't trust people and I have empathy for people who work in these industries. So asking to be accountable to give someone cash payment should be on the patron to see it changes hands. There are many instances where people get drunk, someone thought the other person paid, intentional walkouts....where people don't pay the bill. It's not just stealing. Until you get the reciept there is no confusion.

What's normal isn't always the absolute safest. For example, in some places jaywalking is considered normal instead of going five blocks to find a crossing. Are you the type to always go five blocks to cross?