Pippen was monumental carrying the load in Finals. Leader in Rebs and Ast over MJ 83%

[TheCorporation]

FMVP vs #2 option (MJ vs Pip)
Reb/Ast leader in Championship Finals

1991
Reb: Pip
Ast: MJ

1992
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1993
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1996
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1997
Reb: Pip
Ast: MJ

1998
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip


MJ = 2 for 12 (16.7%)
Pip = 10 for 12 (83.3%)

LBJ vs his #2 option for each Championship Finals

2012
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2013
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2016
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2020
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

LBJ = 8 for 8 (100%)

Both led all series in Pts (LBJ & MJ), but:
• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

Are we done talking about who carried more and who produced more?

[ImKobe]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

[Pip' N Rodman]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

Why does Kobe only have 1 Finals series shooting better than 41% from the field?

And Kobe has less 40 point finals games in 7 finals appearances than LeBron did in a 48 hr stretch in 2016

[8Ball]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

A Kobe fan criticizing LeBron is like a homeless man criticizing someone living in a mansion.

[ImKobe]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

[Hey Yo]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

Kobe only did it 2x... 09 and 10

[ImKobe]

Kobe only did it 2x... 09 and 10

29/7/6 in '01 :kobe:

:(


https://youtu.be/02NeajL75e8

[Hey Yo]

See that big guy on the right? He was first option.

Like I said... 2x

[ImKobe]

See that big guy on the right? He was first option.

Like I said... 2x

He averaged 29.4 ppg in the '01 title run, moron.


https://youtu.be/BmdnWp1RY_U


https://youtu.be/kTGbMhLYiSI

[Hey Yo]

As 2nd option.

Wasn't the focal point of the opposing defense.

[TheCorporation]

Both led all series in Pts (LBJ & MJ), but:
• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

Are we done talking about who carried more and who produced more?

[ImKobe]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

..

[TheCorporation]

Both MJ & LBJ led all Finals series in pts, but:

• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

So are we done talking about who outproduced and who underproduced?

16.3% from lil Mike was all he could muster

[BigShotBob]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

Rebounds and assists because a certain player was a limited scorer....

Sad.

[TheCorporation]

Rebounds and assists because a certain player was a limited scorer....

Sad.

It is sad, thanks for reminding us how limited Kobe was in comparison to the all time greats

Leading team in Finals scoring
LeBron = 9x (2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020)
Jordan = 6x (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
Shaq = 5x (1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004)
Kareem = 5x (1971, 1980, 1983, 1984, 1985)
Duncan = 4x (1999, 2003, 2005, 2013)
Hakeem 3x (1986, 1994, 1995)
Kobe = 3x (2008, 2009, 2010)
Durant = 3x (2012, 2017, 2018)
Curry = 3x (2015, 2016, 2019)

LeBron, NBA leading 9x
Kobe, 3x :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/tT3sww95PSEsRAPJNg/giphy.gif

[2much_knowledge]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

First reply slays hit different

[ELITEpower23]

Both MJ & LBJ led all Finals series in pts, but:

• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

So are we done talking about who outproduced and who underproduced?

16.3% from lil Mike was all he could muster

Was there an answer for this?

[outofstomach]

See that big guy on the right? He was first option.

Like I said... 2x

you’re the worst bron stan on this site by far, i must say

[BigShotBob]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

Any response to this?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen wasnt 'carrying' anything.

The only burden anyone carried was the scoring one. And that was all Mike. His rebounds and assists weren't that far off either, as per the averages. Its why Jordan's impact stats blow Pippen's away.

[2much_knowledge]

Any response to this?

Give him some time to figure out what account hes gonna use for the next deflection

[hateraid]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

:(

And they won so how is this a slay? Why is 28 specifically the marker?
It's pretty irrelevant

[hateraid]

Give him some time to figure out what account hes gonna use for the next deflection

Another great realGM worthy post!

[2much_knowledge]

Another great realGM worthy post!

I'd thrive over there. I wish one could do some serious impartial discussion over here. Its not posible

[TheGoatest]

Both MJ & LBJ led all Finals series in pts, but:

• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

So are we done talking about who outproduced and who underproduced?

16.3% from lil Mike was all he could muster

Damn, fact-spittin has them haters fuming! :applause: :rockon:

[expansionera]

Both led all series in Pts (LBJ & MJ), but:
• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

Are we done talking about who carried more and who produced more?

MJ fans think basketball is strictly points per game, they’re awe struck to see Pippen did all the heavy lifting outside of scoring. They become downright suicidal when they see Lebron did all his own scoring, passing and rebounding without another man to help carry him :lol

[TheCorporation]

MJ fans think basketball is strictly points per game, they’re awe struck to see Pippen did all the heavy lifting outside of scoring. They become downright suicidal when they see Lebron did all his own scoring, passing and rebounding without another man to help carry him :lol

This

LBJ > MJ

Period

[TheGoatest]

MJ fans think basketball is strictly points per game, they’re awe struck to see Pippen did all the heavy lifting outside of scoring. They become downright suicidal when they see Lebron did all his own scoring, passing and rebounding without another man to help carry him :lol

Not only that, but they seem to think that basketball is a 1-on-1 sport. Every time there is a LeBron Vs Jordan discussion, they shift to discussing scoring or some hero basketball type of shit.

[Bronbron23]

FMVP vs #2 option (MJ vs Pip)
Reb/Ast leader in Championship Finals

1991
Reb: Pip
Ast: MJ

1992
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1993
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1996
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip

1997
Reb: Pip
Ast: MJ

1998
Reb: Pip
Ast: Pip


MJ = 2 for 12 (16.7%)
Pip = 10 for 12 (83.3%)

LBJ vs his #2 option for each Championship Finals

2012
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2013
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2016
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

2020
Reb: LBJ
Ast: LBJ

LBJ = 8 for 8 (100%)

Both led all series in Pts (LBJ & MJ), but:
• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

Are we done talking about who carried more and who produced more?

Bron is a point foward qnd mj was a shooting gaurd. Of course mj is gonna score more and bron was gonna get more reb and assists. They both did what the position called for. These threads are so low iq:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

Bron is a point foward qnd mj was a shooting gaurd. Of course mj is gonna score more and bron was gonna get more reb and assists. They both did what the position called for. These threads are so low iq:facepalm

wOuLd u rAtheR hAVe a cHiP oR 20 rUnNeR uPs?

Now THAT'S a low IQ thread my guy :lol

[TheCorporation]

So we're in agreement that LeBron was a top producer and Michael Iverson just took a lot of shots?

[Baller789]

So we're in agreement that LeBron was a top producer and Michael Iverson just took a lot of shots?

So youre saying Lebron is mostly responsible for his team's winning correct?

[TheCorporation]

So youre saying Lebron is mostly responsible for his team's winning correct?

Don't try to get cute, you're not smart :lol

"SO IF LEBRON IS MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WINS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOSSES."

No :lol

LeBron is the only reason his teams won.
Pippen is the only reason his Bulls won.

They are the top producers.

[Bronbron23]

wOuLd u rAtheR hAVe a cHiP oR 20 rUnNeR uPs?

Now THAT'S a low IQ thread my guy :lol

Fair enough. At least you agree that a runner up isn't worth much.:cheers:

[BlackMamba8]

A Kobe fan criticizing LeBron is like a homeless man criticizing someone living in a mansion.

Time for you to go outside kid.....its been almost 2 years since you last saw the sun....go outside

[2much_knowledge]

Don't try to get cute, you're not smart :lol

"SO IF LEBRON IS MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WINS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOSSES."

No :lol

LeBron is the only reason his teams won.
Pippen is the only reason his Bulls won.

They are the top producers.

Garbage. You don't believe that yourself

[2much_knowledge]

MJ fans think basketball is strictly points per game, they’re awe struck to see Pippen did all the heavy lifting outside of scoring. They become downright suicidal when they see Lebron did all his own scoring, passing and rebounding without another man to help carry him :lol

Its called triangle offense. Its not designed for the main scorer to have high assist numbers. Everybody does their jobs and they just win. Lebron tries to do it all, and the result is runner up. You play to win. Not to post cute stats. When will you guys realize that?

Why Bill Russell is top 10 - 5 without barely even scoring? Its call winning. Meanwhile westbrook........

[Hey Yo]

Everybody does their jobs yet it's MJ whose given / takes 100% credit.

[TheCorporation]

3ball?

[Baller789]

Don't try to get cute, you're not smart :lol

"SO IF LEBRON IS MOSTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WINS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOSSES."

No :lol

LeBron is the only reason his teams won.
Pippen is the only reason his Bulls won.

They are the top producers.

So basically what youre saying is Lebron is a woman?
No accountability.
Now I understand. Thanks for clearing things up buddy boi.
:cheers:

[Axe]

Not only that, but they seem to think that basketball is a 1-on-1 sport. Every time there is a LeBron Vs Jordan discussion, they shift to discussing scoring or some hero basketball type of shit.
You replied to your own dup? :ohwell:

[Baller789]

Its called triangle offense. Its not designed for the main scorer to have high assist numbers. Everybody does their jobs and they just win. Lebron tries to do it all, and the result is runner up. You play to win. Not to post cute stats. When will you guys realize that?

Why Bill Russell is top 10 - 5 without barely even scoring? Its call winning. Meanwhile westbrook........

It's like these low iq trolls have stats >>>>winning.
It's kinda obvious they have never been competetive their whole lives.

I think it was Phil Jackson who said it best to Mike... something along the lines that: You should let your teammates do more because that would make them step up and make the team better... Something stat whores won't ever understand.

[2much_knowledge]

It's like these low iq trolls have stats >>>>winning.
It's kinda obvious they have never been competetive their whole lives.

I think it was Phil Jackson who said it best to Mike... something along the lines that: You should let your teammates do more because that would make them step up and make the team better... Something stat whores won't ever understand.

Stats? Chamberlain > westbrook > lebron anyway

[Bawkish]

And they won so how is this a slay? Why is 28 specifically the marker?
It's pretty irrelevant

so does this whole thread, but you're not gonna comment on that, are you?

[aj1987]

Lebron averaged more than 28 ppg once in 3 out of his 4 title runs.

28+ ppg title runs

MJ - 6x
Kobe - 3x
Shaq - 3x
Durant - 2x
Hakeem - 2x
Steph - 2x
Lebron - 1x

Aww.

Defense:

Career DRtg:

Kobe - 105

LeBron - 104

Peak DRtg:

Kobe - 98

LeBron - 97

Career DWS:

Kobe - 50.7

LeBron - 73.6(While playing 5 fewer seasons)

Peak DWS:

Kobe - 4.5

LeBron - 6.5

Career DBPM:

Kobe - -0.6 (A net negative defender for his career)

LeBron - 1.8

Peak DBPM:

Kobe - 1.7

LeBron - 3.6

LeBron shits on Kobe when it comes to defense and it's not particularly close either. Kobe played defense in like 2-3 seasons of his career. That's pretty much it.

Now going to the offensive end, lets talk about the PO's and scoring.


Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

7631 in 266 PO games

+2000 points in 46 games more played for LeBron (about 44 PPG)

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.7 PPG

+3.1 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

58.3% TS

+4.2% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.1 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 4.2% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's? :lol)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 28

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 61

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 118

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 183

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 237

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 28 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at. :lol

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.5PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

58% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 7% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: :roll:)

LeBron - 8

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 16

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 28

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 51

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 64

[TheCorporation]

3ball shook?

Both MJ & LBJ led all Finals series in pts, but:

• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

So are we done talking about who outproduced and who underproduced?

16.3% from lil Mike was all he could muster

[3ba11]

3ball shook?

Both MJ & LBJ led all Finals series in pts, but:

• MJ led in Reb/Ast 16.3% of the time over his #2 option
• LBJ led in Reb/Ast 100% of the time over his #2 option

So are we done talking about who outproduced and who underproduced?

16.3% from lil Mike was all he could muster


When you say "option", you're referring to scoring... that's all that matters

And Lebron never carried the scoring load while winning a Finals, so he can't carry the load and never defeated max defensive attention like Jordan - he always had equal-scoring teammate to take pressure off.

Lebron also never beat a good team while teammates played poorly (no carry-jobs against top 5 SRS team in 2 decades)