How much worse is a 1st round loss than a Finals loss? 16th vs 2nd place?

[ELITEpower23]

With 16 teams making the playoffs it's easy to know a 1st round loss = 16th place and a Finals loss = 2nd place.

If we invent a simple point system that shows
1st round loss = 1 pt
2nd round loss = 2 pt
3rd round loss = 3 pt
4th round loss = 4 pt
4th round win = 5.5 pts
4th round win (w/ FMVP) = 8 pts

Would this show GOATness? I think so.

MJ would have
6x8 = 48
2x3 = 6
2x2 = 4
3x1 =3
Total = 61 GOATness points

LBJ would have
4x8 = 32
6x4 = 24
1x3 = 3
3x2 = 6
1x1 = 1
Total = 66 GOATness points

Let's keep this system going.

1. LeBron = 66
2. Jordan = 61

[ELITEpower23]

Shaq
3x8 = 24
1x5.5 = 5.5
2x4 = 8
5x3 = 15
1x2 = 2
4x1 = 4
Total = 58.5 GOATness

Magic
3x8 = 24
2x5.5 = 11
4x4 = 16
1x3 =3
1x2 = 2
2x1 = 2
Total = 58 GOATness


Totals

1. LeBron = 66
2. Jordan = 61
3. Shaq = 58.5
4. Magic = 58

Someone do Duncan or Bird

[beasted]

Where is Russell in this hypothetical. I know there was no MVP then.

[Phoenix]

Based just on finals wins Russell has 60.5. If the finals MVP award was a thing for him I'd imagine he'd have enough of them to be off the charts.

[000]

Duncan
3x8 = 24
2x5.5 = 11
1x4 = 4
3x3 = 9
6x2 = 12
3x1 = 3
Total = 63

Duncan top 2 confirmed.

[HunterSThompson]

a first round loss isn't as bad as a finals loss because you obviously didn't have a team worthy of winning a title if you lose in the first round. with some rare exceptions like Dallas in 2007.

when you lose in the finals it means if you are a superstar/all time great and you have a team thats good enough to make the finals then your presence should be enough to put you over the top. if you truly are a goat candidate. so if you lose its most likely cause you came up short.

like lebron in nearly every finals he lost. he either sucked on offense or sucked on defense. he was never great on both ends and lost.


2007 = trash offense, trash leadership
2011 = trash offense, trash leadership
2013 = trash offense but thanks ray
2014 = trash offense, trash leadership
2015 = trash offense and defense
2017 = trash defense
2018 = trash defense, trash leadership

[ELITEpower23]

a first round loss isn't as bad as a finals loss because you obviously didn't have a team worthy of winning a title if you lose in the first round. with some rare exceptions like Dallas in 2007.

when you lose in the finals it means if you are a superstar/all time great and you have a team thats good enough to make the finals then your presence should be enough to put you over the top. if you truly are a goat candidate. so if you lose its most likely cause you came up short.

like lebron in nearly every finals he lost. he either sucked on offense or sucked on defense. he was never great on both ends and lost.


2007 = trash offense, trash leadership
2011 = trash offense, trash leadership
2013 = trash offense but thanks ray
2014 = trash offense, trash leadership
2015 = trash offense and defense
2017 = trash defense
2018 = trash defense, trash leadership

1st low IQ post of the thread. How'd I know it'd be Kenny Griffin.

[ELITEpower23]

Duncan
3x8 = 24
2x5.5 = 11
1x4 = 4
3x3 = 9
6x2 = 12
3x1 = 3
Total = 63

Duncan top 2 confirmed.

:lebronamazed: Real GM had him like 4th or 5th

[000]

Kareem
2x8 = 16
4x5.5 = 22
2x4 = 8
4x3 = 12
2x2 = 4
2x1 = 2
Total = 64

[ELITEpower23]

Kareem
2x8 = 16
4x5.5 = 22
2x4 = 8
4x3 = 12
2x2 = 4
2x1 = 2
Total = 64

Interesting

Russell =
11x5.5 = 60.5
1x4 = 4
1x3 = 3
Total.= 67.5 GOATness

GOAT: Russell = 67.5
1. LBJ = 65
2. Kareem = 64
3. Duncan = 63
4. Jordan = 61
5. Shaq = 58.5
6. Magic = 58

Bird, Kobe, Hakeem, Curry, KD?

[ELITEpower23]

Shoud ring just be 5 instead of 5.5?

I was gonna set it to 5

[ELITEpower23]

Based just on finals wins Russell has 60.5. If the finals MVP award was a thing for him I'd imagine he'd have enough of them to be off the charts.

I think that's the trade off in this scenario.

He doesn't get the FMVP boost but he gets the 11x ring boost for playing in an obviously weaker era.

[TheCorporation]

Shoud ring just be 5 instead of 5.5?

I was gonna set it to 5

Good thread EP23,

I would do 1st round loss = 0.5
Ring = 5.0
FMVP = 7.5

Rest looks good to me. It's balanced.

[warriorfan]

Go outside

[RogueBorg]

6 rings in 15 seasons > 4 rings in 18

[dankok8]

Thread backfires when OP realizes that Russell beats everyone even without FMVP credit. If there was a FMVP, Russell would have 7-9 for sure.

[Bronbron23]

With 16 teams making the playoffs it's easy to know a 1st round loss = 16th place and a Finals loss = 2nd place.

If we invent a simple point system that shows
1st round loss = 1 pt
2nd round loss = 2 pt
3rd round loss = 3 pt
4th round loss = 4 pt
4th round win = 5.5 pts
4th round win (w/ FMVP) = 8 pts

Would this show GOATness? I think so.

MJ would have
6x8 = 48
2x3 = 6
2x2 = 4
3x1 =3
Total = 61 GOATness points

LBJ would have
4x8 = 32
6x4 = 24
1x3 = 3
3x2 = 6
1x1 = 1
Total = 66 GOATness points

Let's keep this system going.

1. LeBron = 66
2. Jordan = 61

This is trash man how is a finals win only worth 1.5 mor than a finals loss when players wouldn't trade in 1 finals win for 50 finals runner ups:facepalm

[RogueBorg]

With 16 teams making the playoffs it's easy to know a 1st round loss = 16th place and a Finals loss = 2nd place.

If we invent a simple point system that shows
1st round loss = 1 pt
2nd round loss = 2 pt
3rd round loss = 3 pt
4th round loss = 4 pt
4th round win = 5.5 pts
4th round win (w/ FMVP) = 8 pts

Would this show GOATness? I think so.

MJ would have
6x8 = 48
2x3 = 6
2x2 = 4
3x1 =3
Total = 61 GOATness points

LBJ would have
4x8 = 32
6x4 = 24
1x3 = 3
3x2 = 6
1x1 = 1
Total = 66 GOATness points

Let's keep this system going.

1. LeBron = 66
2. Jordan = 61

You should add Finals Plus/Minus to it. That would put Lebron at -20

[Bronbron23]

Shoud ring just be 5 instead of 5.5?

I was gonna set it to 5

No it should be adjusted to 10 or more. Your system is flawed bruh. All that matters is the ring. Nobody cares if you made it to round 2 vs round 1 or even round 4 vs round 1. Your point sytem is accurate in that sense. A finals win however is looked at as significantly better than a finals loss so your point system should reflect that.

We all know why it doesn't though. These bron stans are getting more desperate by the day:oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

Same shit if you lose to the eventual champ

[ELITEpower23]

Go outside

Hi wheels, can I borrow your sweet huffy bicycle if I do?

https://i.postimg.cc/wTp9gMTy/Welfare-Wheels-All-Along.jpg

Thread: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?314096-What-bike-are-you-riding/page2

[ELITEpower23]

No it should be adjusted to 10 or more. Your system is flawed bruh. All that matters is the ring. Nobody cares if you made it to round 2 vs round 1 or even round 4 vs round 1. Your point sytem is accurate in that sense. A finals win however is looked at as significantly better than a finals loss so your point system should reflect that.

We all know why it doesn't though. These bron stans are getting more desperate by the day:oldlol:

2nd majorly low IQ response in this thread. Must say overall a good ratio all things considered.

[Bronbron23]

2nd majorly low IQ response in this thread. Must say overall a good ratio all things considered.

What's low iq about it? Chips are worth way more than runner ups so clearly your system is off.

What's low iq is thinking a runner up is worth anywhere near a chip.

[000]

1st round losses should be worth 0 pts. Coz anyone can lose in 1st round ;)

[theman93]

You should add Finals Plus/Minus to it. That would put Lebron at -20

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ELITEpower23]

What's low iq about it? Chips are worth way more than runner ups so clearly your system is off.

What's low iq is thinking a runner up is worth anywhere near a chip.

No.

2017 and 2018 Finals LeBron > 2000 Kobe, 1998 Pippen

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Ask Tim Duncan

He lost to your 8th seed grizzles hahahhaha

[Bronbron23]

No.

2017 and 2018 Finals LeBron > 2000 Kobe, 1998 Pippen

Sure but they didn't win fmvp.

And it sucks that bron played well and still lost but that's the breaks. That's the team he chose to go to. All things being equal as far as the players talent a chip is worth more than 50 times that of a runner up. We know this because there isn't one champion in this world in any sport whether team or individual that would trade 1 chip, belt, trophy or gold medal for 50 runner ups. Let that shit sink in.

[ELITEpower23]

Thread backfires when OP realizes that Russell beats everyone even without FMVP credit. If there was a FMVP, Russell would have 7-9 for sure.

Low IQ alert. Breathe :oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

Updated with more players!


Point System
FMVP = 8
Ring (no FMVP) = 5
4th rd loss = 4
3rd rd loss = 3
2nd rd loss = 2
1st rd loss = 0.75

Results
LeBron = 65.75
B. Russell = 62.00
Kareem = 61.50
Duncan = 61.25
Jordan = 60.25
Shaq = 57.00
Magic = 56.50
Kobe = 53.50
Wilt = 49.00
Bird = 44.75
Durant = 37.75
Malone = 35.75
Hakeem = 35.00
Curry = 25.75


Jordan is still top 5, Curry took a big hit for no Finals MVPs and still needing to build his career out (missed playoffs in 2020 and 2021).

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3

[ELITEpower23]

Updated with more players!


Point System
FMVP = 8
Ring (no FMVP) = 5
4th rd loss = 4
3rd rd loss = 3
2nd rd loss = 2
1st rd loss = 0.75

Results
LeBron = 65.75
B. Russell = 62.00
Kareem = 61.50
Duncan = 61.25
Jordan = 60.25
Shaq = 57.00
Magic = 56.50
Kobe = 53.50
Wilt = 49.00
Bird = 44.75
Durant = 37.75
Malone = 35.75
Hakeem = 35.00
Curry = 25.75


Jordan is still top 5, Curry took a big hit for no Finals MVPs and still needing to build his career out (missed playoffs in 2020 and 2021).'

Kiwi Len?