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3ba11
11-29-2021, 11:02 PM
If one team is working harder defensively, they will be less likely to go off offensively, so the Lakers just need a powerful offense that wears down teams.

Unfortunately, their ball-dominant offense isn't shifting defenses/wearing out teams like the ball movement they face, so opponents are always fresher with more capacity to "go off" offensively..

A top level brand of ball would win the attrition battle and lessen the opponent's attack..

James Worthy agrees:. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAS5QQ3s40c&t=02m55s

Full Court
11-30-2021, 12:04 AM
I don't disagree, but not being just plain lazy on defense would help too.

999Guy
11-30-2021, 12:08 AM
No it wouldn’t stupid

Real Men Wear Green
11-30-2021, 12:27 AM
"How much defense is needed" is not a noun.

SouBeachTalents
11-30-2021, 12:28 AM
"How much defense is needed" is not a noun.
It's actually the how much defense is needed

Real Men Wear Green
11-30-2021, 12:34 AM
It's actually the how much defense is needed

That isn't a noun either.

bladefd
11-30-2021, 02:44 AM
Lakers need a better offensive coordinator almost to complement Vogel's defensive mind. Vogel is not a good offensive coach and the assistant coach they got in Fizdale who is coaching the offensive side happens to also be a defensive coach. They should have gotten someone like Mike D'Antoni to coach the offense. Fizdale is fine as an assistant coach, but you don't want him coaching the offense. It's just not his forte.

Session
11-30-2021, 03:20 AM
Lakers team is built to offense, but Lakers coach is a deffense specialist.

There are two problems:

1. Great offense only works for regular season
2. Pelinka make changes without asking anything to Vogel.

3ba11
11-30-2021, 11:53 AM
Lakers team is built to offense, but Lakers coach is a deffense specialist.

There are two problems:

1. Great offense only works for regular season
2. Pelinka make changes without asking anything to Vogel.


It's funny because Vogel said they played Lebron at center but I looked up his hold-time and it was 8 minutes, which is a ton (Lillard or Luka level ball-dominance) - this means that he was bringing the ball up and Vogel is full of shit.

Vogel is playing the word salad game where he says they're playing Lebron at some sexy-sounding position like center or off-guard to make it seem like he's coaching............ but in reality Lebron is still bringing the ball up and playing "Bron-ball"...

Bron-ball entails starting at a frontcourt position like forward, but then becoming a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, which results in low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level.

Every coach that Lebron ever had since he was first discovered has let him play this way except Spolestra, who was only able to cut down on this a little bit - Lebron still had point guard hold-times in Miami.. Ultimately, this inherently suboptimal style imposes spot-up roles that stall players, so players don't develop or play to capacity, thus needing MOAR HELP all year long.

It's interesting because Lebron's offenses have always revolved around him and his teams are too reliant on him, which is just like young MJ before he learned how to win (organic)... Lebron never learned or evolved beyond bron-ball so he must team-hop.

ShawkFactory
11-30-2021, 12:03 PM
Lebrons TOP in 2014 was less then Kobe and Steph. It only goes back to 2014 but I’d bet a lot that his hold time was less in 13