If the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or spread....

[Patrick Chewing]

Then what the **** are you vaccine Nazis crying about?? You're going to get Covid or spread Covid even if you have the vaccine, so why the disdain for those that are unvaccinated? Why the talk of mandating it?

And please don't tell me that the real reason you act this way is cause you actually care for the well-being of the virus carrier :oldlol:. If someone can contract the virus even while vaccinated, then why do you care so much about what the unvaccinated do?

[tpols]

I had people yesterday straight up tell me the vaccines don't stop spread. Only reduce symptoms and infection and possible death. If that's the case? Everybody vaccinated is protected already.

It kills the whole "if everybody is vaccinated it will disappear!" notion that's been broadcasted. If it doesn't stop the spread.... logically... it can't be eradicated. So other people not being vaccinated should have no effect on a vaccinated persons well being.

I haven't heard a single counter argument to this. Also haven't heard any argument to natural immunity antibody producers.

[Off the Court]

Who is pushing you to get vaccinated? Where are these Nazis? Oh wait you already are vaccinated :oldlol:

There are probably a dozen threads created in here each week whining about the vaccine and supposed mandates even though no one in here has been mandated against their will. You'd have to do some hard searching to find threads trying to force others to vaccinate. I personally have taken the Bill Burr approach in hoping that antivaxxers remain unvaccinated.

[tpols]

NYC mandated vaccines for all businesses dumbass. Anybody that holds a business in NYC was forced to get the vaccine or lose their entire economic livelihood.

[FultzNationRISE]

Honestly, the people pushing these narratives thrive on the division.

I would just stop fighting it. In fact, the crowd seen as "non vaxxers" should straight up troll and start supporting injections as a way for the establishment to keep minorities and the poor in check.

Completely flip the script and start championing vaccines vocally as a white power thing, while giving Heil salutes and whatnot.

Would be hilarious tbh.

[Patrick Chewing]

Who is pushing you to get vaccinated? Where are these Nazis? Oh wait you already are vaccinated :oldlol:

There are probably a dozen threads created in here each week whining about the vaccine and supposed mandates even though no one in here has been mandated against their will. You'd have to do some hard searching to find threads trying to force others to vaccinate. I personally have taken the Bill Burr approach in hoping that antivaxxers remain unvaccinated.

I'm vaccinated for all the right reasons. Not because someone on TV told me to. I'm vaccinated because undoubtedly I believe everyone will contract Covid at some point, and the vaccine is a tool to help keep you from getting truly sick from the virus. I can't miss work. Time is money. Work and money is a concept that is foreign to many of you.

[Off the Court]

Honestly, the people pushing these narratives thrive on the division.
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That's Chewing right here right now. He is the vaccinated person who is terrified of being vaccinated :oldlol:

He isn't worried about the actual vaccine he only cares about the is pushing his political team sports narrative. Must defeat the left!

[tpols]

Honestly, the people pushing these narratives thrive on the division.

I would just stop fighting it. In fact, the crowd seen as "non vaxxers" should straight up troll and start supporting injections as a way for the establishment to keep minorities and the poor in check.

Completely flip the script and start championing vaccines vocally as a white power thing, while giving Heil salutes and whatnot.

Would be hilarious tbh.

Yea that is true. Its just frustrating to see so many people ignore reality. Like asking "whose forcing you?" after cities and states are factually shown to be removing your ability to work, make money, and go to stores without it.

Its true the top wants this lower class warfare but how can you not be mad at idiots going along with it presenting totally absurd arguments? If there's no rebuttal, its just going to continue, no?

[Draz]

I won't lie when I got vaccinated I was afraid I'd die. My wife forced me and shit otherwise I wouldn't have. I don't even get flu shots.

I notice more boners tho

[Patrick Chewing]

Yea that is true. Its just frustrating to see so many people ignore reality. Like asking "whose forcing you?" after cities and states are factually shown to be removing your ability to work, make money, and go to stores without it.

Its true the top wants this lower class warfare but how can you not be mad at idiots going along with it presenting totally absurd arguments? If there's no rebuttal, its just going to continue, no?

That's been blade's line ever since it started. "Who's forcing you? You can get another job." ****ing clowns.

[Off the Court]

We already know you aren't at risk of losing employment to a vaccine mandate Patty mainly because you've been vaccinated.

[BurningHammer]

I won't lie when I got vaccinated I was afraid I'd die. My wife forced me and shit otherwise I wouldn't have. I don't even get flu shots.

I notice more boners tho
:lebronamazed:

[SATAN]

Who is pushing you to get vaccinated? Where are these Nazis? Oh wait you already are vaccinated :oldlol:

There are probably a dozen threads created in here each week whining about the vaccine and supposed mandates even though no one in here has been mandated against their will. You'd have to do some hard searching to find threads trying to force others to vaccinate. I personally have taken the Bill Burr approach in hoping that antivaxxers remain unvaccinated.

All they do is look for things to complain about. They get off on hatred and misery because their brains have become addicted to the chemical process. The eternal victim complex. Even worse, they egg each other on in their sick little fantasy world where only they can be right. Society is better off without these parasites.

[Off the Court]

All they do is look for things to complain about. They get off on hatred and misery because their brains have become addicted to the chemical process. The eternal victim complex. Even worse, they egg each other on in their sick little fantasy world where only they can be right. Society is better off without these parasites.
Very true. Chewing is an eternal victim of the left and tfools is an eternal victim of the Illuminati and will probably die alone in a cabin out in the woods hiding from them.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I can't miss work. Time is money. Work and money is a concept that is foreign to many of you.

30,787 posts

[Axe]

Who is pushing you to get vaccinated? Where are these Nazis? Oh wait you already are vaccinated :oldlol:

There are probably a dozen threads created in here each week whining about the vaccine and supposed mandates even though no one in here has been mandated against their will. You'd have to do some hard searching to find threads trying to force others to vaccinate. I personally have taken the Bill Burr approach in hoping that antivaxxers remain unvaccinated.
Poopsie must've thought at first that he can reduce his sheer weight via vaccination. Turns out he was wrong and thus, he's expressing his disappointment itb. :ohwell:

[Dbrog]

I had people yesterday straight up tell me the vaccines don't stop spread. Only reduce symptoms and infection and possible death. If that's the case? Everybody vaccinated is protected already.

It kills the whole "if everybody is vaccinated it will disappear!" notion that's been broadcasted. If it doesn't stop the spread.... logically... it can't be eradicated. So other people not being vaccinated should have no effect on a vaccinated persons well being.

I haven't heard a single counter argument to this. Also haven't heard any argument to natural immunity antibody producers.

Shhhh you're not supposed to actually think about these things.

I knew from only a few months in that this was going to be another flu (not same virus but new strain every year). There won't be heard immunity because of this as we are already seeing with all the variants. However, what the major media doesn't want you to know is ACTUAL scientists/geneticists/etc will tell you viruses almost always get weaker as they mutate. We are also seeing this right now with the new strain from Africa. It's funny how we already have all the data to support these things but OH NO LOCK DOWN AGAIN!

[outofstomach]

30,787 posts
:lol

[FultzNationRISE]

Shhhh you're not supposed to actually think about these things.

I knew from only a few months in that this was going to be another flu (not same virus but new strain every year). There won't be heard immunity because of this as we are already seeing with all the variants. However, what the major media doesn't want you to know is ACTUAL scientists/geneticists/etc will tell you viruses almost always get weaker as they mutate. We are also seeing this right now with the new strain from Africa. It's funny how we already have all the data to support these things but OH NO LOCK DOWN AGAIN!

It's about getting people - particularly younger generations - comfortable with relying on the state for permission to do things. That is going to be far more prevalent in the future than it was in the past, for complex reasons completely unrelated to covid. However it requires adjustment, which is something best catalyzed by 'crisis.'

It comes much easier for people with naturally submissive personalities, which you can see in the political divide over covid. People defending lock downs and vax mandates (realmengreen, imdaman, rr3, bladefd, itsmillertime, primetime, rufupaul, burninghammer, loco50, andgar, etc) are more nervous, fearful and obedient types. They prefer certainty and stability and clarity. The truth itself is irrelevant, as long as they can count on a narrative not to change too often or become too confusing. They get anxious if people question things they believe. I don't mean this as a criticism per se, it's simply a fact of their personality types. Personalities vary and these guys have a natural inclination for conformity.

I mean this trope goes back as far as humanity itself. "Scare em, convince em everyone else is responding by doing x, then watch as they all scramble to do x."

Watching them try to explain a memorized rationale for irrational views is like going through the 5 stages of grief. First youre in denial theyre really falling for it, then youre angry, then you try to bargain with them, then it just becomes depressing, then finally you accept it. :lol

[diamenz]

the fauci's of the world and especially fauci himself can't lend themselves any credibility for the life of them. any rational person liberal or conservative would look at the situation today and come to the conclusion that:

- covid is endemic and we have no choice but to live with it.

- we have vaccines and boosters for seniors & the vulnerable and anyone else that wants them.

- we have therapeutics, which always seems to get glossed over in corporate media.

so can we just be over and done with it? i made this point yesterday - the pharmaceutical companies aren't going to stop with boosters every time a new variant pops up, and as long as the government and media keep enabling them, this is never gonna end. fauci is nothing but a full blown blatant political hack at this point.

then again... maybe when we start vaccinating fetuses, then we'll be at a safe enough place where we can officially say it's over!

[bladefd]

I'm vaccinated for all the right reasons. Not because someone on TV told me to. I'm vaccinated because undoubtedly I believe everyone will contract Covid at some point, and the vaccine is a tool to help keep you from getting truly sick from the virus. I can't miss work. Time is money. Work and money is a concept that is foreign to many of you.

So why are you still constantly whining about it? You already got it and agree it stops you from getting severe symptoms. Go sit down.

[Patrick Chewing]

SATAN, Off The Court, Lakers Legend, and Axe all post back to back to back to back. All the same person. All following Chewing. :oldlol:

[Axe]

SATAN, Off The Court, Lakers Legend, and Axe all post back to back to back to back. All the same person. All following Chewing. :oldlol:
Our new punching bag. Mwah. :cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

So why are you still constantly whining about it? You already got it and agree it stops you from getting severe symptoms. Go sit down.

I'm pointing out that people like you are the ones whining. Don't try to turn it around little boy. You've been on the vaccine crusade since Day 1. And for what? Go to your room. I'll be in there in a bit to put you to bed.

[Chick Stern]

We already know you aren't at risk of losing employment to a vaccine mandate Patty mainly because you've been vaccinated.
He got vaccinated because he didn’t want to be kept from restaurants

[bladefd]

I had people yesterday straight up tell me the vaccines don't stop spread. Only reduce symptoms and infection and possible death. If that's the case? Everybody vaccinated is protected already.

It kills the whole "if everybody is vaccinated it will disappear!" notion that's been broadcasted. If it doesn't stop the spread.... logically... it can't be eradicated. So other people not being vaccinated should have no effect on a vaccinated persons well being.

I haven't heard a single counter argument to this. Also haven't heard any argument to natural immunity antibody producers.

If your argument is that the vaccines don't stop spread at all... Vaccine does actually lessen spread even though not very well. I already told you.

But listen, don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Federal judge just blocked Federal mandate. I don't see the federal mandate getting through. States/cities/private businesses have the rights to run it how they want. If you don't want it, then don't get it. Go sit down.

[Axe]

He got vaccinated because he didn’t want to be kept from restaurants
:oldlol:

[bladefd]

I'm pointing out that people like you are the ones whining. Don't try to turn it around little boy. You've been on the vaccine crusade since Day 1. And for what? Go to your room. I'll be in there in a bit to put you to bed.

I don't post new threads on covid. I don't even remember the last time I made a covid thread. You probably made one yesterday and the day before.

If you don't want the vaccine, don't get it. (by 'you', I am talking in 3rd person because it obviously doesn't apply to you.. you are already fully vaccinated)

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't post new threads on covid. I don't even remember the last time I made a covid thread. You probably made one yesterday and the day before.

If you don't want the vaccine, don't get it. (by 'you', I am talking in 3rd person because it obviously doesn't apply to you.. you are already fully vaccinated)

I don't want people like you harassing the non-vaccinated. Leave them alone.

[Proctor]

so can we just be over and done with it? i made this point yesterday - the pharmaceutical companies aren't going to stop with boosters every time a new variant pops up, and as long as the government and media keep enabling them, this is never gonna end. fauci is nothing but a full blown blatant political hack at this point.
Exactly. It's open season for the pharmaceutical companies and it isn't going to stop.

I have no doubt that in time, the scope of these vaccine efforts will be scrutinized and seen as deceitful in a way only rivaled by the Sackler family and Purdue. Mild scrutiny and pushback are nothing.

[SATAN]

SATAN, Off The Court, Lakers Legend, and Axe all post back to back to back to back. All the same person. All following Chewing. :oldlol:

https://c.tenor.com/1D5S8Qcl668AAAAM/thumbs-up-conspiracy.gif

[bladefd]

I don't want people like you harassing the non-vaccinated. Leave them alone.

Non-vaccinated are the loudest in the room. Look around on ish - you will notice most new threads from non-vaccinated raging, crying, moaning about vaccines/covid/etc.

[Patrick Chewing]

Non-vaccinated are the loudest in the room. Look around on ish - you will notice most new threads from non-vaccinated raging, crying, moaning about vaccines/covid/etc.

Sure, kid. Let me know when the non-vaccinated prevent the vaccinated from having a job. Loudest in the room....lol you're something else.

[SATAN]

Sure, kid. Let me know when the non-vaccinated prevent the vaccinated from having a job. Loudest in the room....lol you're something else.

People on a basketball forum are to blame. Totally.

[bladefd]

Sure, kid. Let me know when the non-vaccinated prevent the vaccinated from having a job. Loudest in the room....lol you're something else.

Vaccinated don't. It's up to the private businesses to determine how to run their company. If they want a vaccine mandate, they have the power to. If they don't want it, they have the power not to. Weren't conservatives the ones always using the argument of private business rights?? Now you have a problem with that?

Feds (well, Biden administration) are trying to implement a national mandate, but they have been stopped by federal courts twice. I don't see Biden administration succeeding.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkeKbStexE

[Cleverness]

lmao @ "private" businesses. "private" businesses were forcefully SHUT DOWN in 2020 bro. but wait, i thought they were private? hahahaha. they're regulated down to the amount of toilet water they can flush.

"google's a private company. they can mandate the vaccine if they want." oh yeah? the same "private" company that has massive gov't contracts, donates to campaigns, and follows a ton of gov't regulations?

conservatives -though fundamentally confused- like chewing want common sense: people shouldn't be forced to inject these "vaccines" as an employment condition.

Btw Biden/feds implemented a nationwide mask mandate in places such as airports. Where in the constitution does the federal gov't derive the authority to do so?

[theman93]

Blade is such a confused soul.

"It's up to the private businesses to determine how to run their company."

Has this guy ever even heard of discrimination laws?

[TheMan]

This covid shit ain't gonna end anytime soon, a new strain popping up continuously and vaccinated or not, it still is going to keep spreading so vaccines should not be mandated.

[Loco 50]

This covid shit ain't gonna end anytime soon, a new strain popping up continuously and vaccinated or not, it still is going to keep spreading so vaccines should not be mandated.

Nah, you should know better than to trust Patricio's ability to process information.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-the-basics?topicRef=129849&source=related_link#H1048118625

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-the-basics?topicRef=129849&source=related_link#H79730249

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't be bullied by the Vax Nazis. They are sheep and they love to be controlled.

[n00bie]

Don't be bullied by the Vax Nazis. They are sheep and they love to be controlled.

I'm confused by this thread. Are you complaining about vaccines but got vaccinated?

[warriorfan]

Vax cucks absolutely fuming right now :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm confused by this thread. Are you complaining about vaccines but got vaccinated?


For the love of God. :facepalm


This is why there is so much conflict out there because there are a lot of people out there who just see in black and white. No, I'm not complaining about vaccines. I support a vaccine. What I am against is the idea of mandating it, removing the freedom of choice from the person involved. Most anti-vaxxers share this position. I'm against the negative attitudes and comments directed to those who refuse to vaccine. A lot of people who are vaccinated are also under the assumption that the vaccine prevents one from getting the virus. I'm simply pointing out, that if the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or the spread of Covid, then why are there so many people out there who care about the unvaccinated? Leave them be.

[Off the Court]

Chewing is terrified that the Gov will mandate him to be vaccinated.

Even though he is vaccinated :oldlol:

[tpols]

For the love of God. :facepalm


This is why there is so much conflict out there because there are a lot of people out there who just see in black and white. No, I'm not complaining about vaccines. I support a vaccine. What I am against is the idea of mandating it, removing the freedom of choice from the person involved. Most anti-vaxxers share this position. I'm against the negative attitudes and comments directed to those who refuse to vaccine. A lot of people who are vaccinated are also under the assumption that the vaccine prevents one from getting the virus. I'm simply pointing out, that if the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or the spread of Covid, then why are there so many people out there who care about the unvaccinated? Leave them be.

I don't know why its so hard for them to wrap their heads around the fact most people are anti mandate not anti vax. They've been effectively brainwashed into thinking if you've been vaccinated you're a hardcore blade esque vax Nazi. There's no grey area or nuance in their heads.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't know why its so hard for them to wrap their heads around the fact most people are anti mandate not anti vax. They've been effectively brainwashed into thinking if you've been vaccinated you're a hardcore blade esque vax Nazi. There's no grey area or nuance in their heads.

It actually makes me wonder if they're like this on purpose. They can't stand to be unified on any given subject or idea, so they'll parse words and ignore the obvious just to remain on the opposing side.

[n00bie]

For the love of God. :facepalm


This is why there is so much conflict out there because there are a lot of people out there who just see in black and white. No, I'm not complaining about vaccines. I support a vaccine. What I am against is the idea of mandating it, removing the freedom of choice from the person involved. Most anti-vaxxers share this position. I'm against the negative attitudes and comments directed to those who refuse to vaccine. A lot of people who are vaccinated are also under the assumption that the vaccine prevents one from getting the virus. I'm simply pointing out, that if the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or the spread of Covid, then why are there so many people out there who care about the unvaccinated? Leave them be.

I actually agree with you. Im pro vaccine but I don't think its morally right to force people to put this in their bodies.

[Bronbron23]

Who is pushing you to get vaccinated? Where are these Nazis? Oh wait you already are vaccinated :oldlol:

There are probably a dozen threads created in here each week whining about the vaccine and supposed mandates even though no one in here has been mandated against their will. You'd have to do some hard searching to find threads trying to force others to vaccinate. I personally have taken the Bill Burr approach in hoping that antivaxxers remain unvaccinated.

This is the same wack argument that most sheep use. They're basically forcing you when you can't live a regular life in society. We're social creatures buddy. They're taking away people's lives essentially. They're also taking away people's ability to provide for themselves and their family.

How can you say that shit with a straight face:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

If your argument is that the vaccines don't stop spread at all... Vaccine does actually lessen spread even though not very well. I already told you.

But listen, don't get the vaccine if you don't want it. Federal judge just blocked Federal mandate. I don't see the federal mandate getting through. States/cities/private businesses have the rights to run it how they want. If you don't want it, then don't get it. Go sit down.

It dosn't reduce it enough to significantly reduce the spread. This is pretty much fact at this point. What's also fact is that this virus almost exclusively kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. So that leaves tens of millions of people who are young, healthy or had covid who aren't at risk and who aren't the ones contributing to an overwhelmed Healthcare system. So i'll ask you what i've asked everyone. If the vaccines aren't effective at reducing the spread and there's lots of low risk groups who aren't high risk and overwhelming hospitals What's the logic behind the mandates ?

[Rooster]

It dosn't reduce it enough to significantly reduce the spread. This is pretty much fact at this point. What's also fact is that this virus almost exclusively kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. So that leaves tens of millions of people who are young, healthy or had covid who aren't at risk and who aren't the ones contributing to an overwhelmed Healthcare system. So i'll ask you what i've asked everyone. If the vaccines aren't effective at reducing the spread and there's lots of low risk groups who aren't high risk and overwhelming hospitals What's the logic behind the mandates ?

What’s enough for you?

During April 4–July 17, a total of 569,142 (92%) COVID-19 cases, 34,972 (92%) hospitalizations, and 6,132 (91%) COVID-19–associated deaths were reported among persons not fully vaccinated, and 46,312 (8%) cases, 2,976 (8%) hospitalizations, and 616 (9%) deaths were reported among fully vaccinated persons .The weekly prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant increased from <1% to 90% during April 4–July 17. Full vaccination coverage increased from 19% to 54%.

[Rooster]

I actually agree with you. Im pro vaccine but I don't think its morally right to force people to put this in their bodies.

Not only morally but constitutionally unfit if you just plainly scratch the surface. Unfortunately we also live in the society where we have to have a mask mandate so I digress . So the benefit of others have to trump the benefit of oneself especially for a nation of 40% obese and more than half have underlying condition and have the worst Covid approach.

[Off the Court]

This is the same wack argument that most sheep use. They're basically forcing you when you can't live a regular life in society. We're social creatures buddy. They're taking away people's lives essentially. They're also taking away people's ability to provide for themselves and their family.

How can you say that shit with a straight face:facepalm
Was your life taken away? Did you lose a job? Currently there are more job openings than applicants. Were you even mandated or do you just want to whine like everyone else?

[ArbitraryWater]

either way, the vacc nazis already lost..

if it prevents you from a severe carriage you have nothing to worry about
if it doesnt why would anyone get it

[Bronbron23]

What’s enough for you?

During April 4–July 17, a total of 569,142 (92%) COVID-19 cases, 34,972 (92%) hospitalizations, and 6,132 (91%) COVID-19–associated deaths were reported among persons not fully vaccinated, and 46,312 (8%) cases, 2,976 (8%) hospitalizations, and 616 (9%) deaths were reported among fully vaccinated persons .The weekly prevalence of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant increased from <1% to 90% during April 4–July 17. Full vaccination coverage increased from 19% to 54%.

This is how everyone answers without actually answering.

Yeah dude lots of people died. Who are the unvaccinated that are dying though? It's not children. It's not healthy young adults. It's not healthy middle age adults qnd its not the unvaccinated that had covid. It's the unvaccinated that are old, fat and are immune compromised. Those qre the people who should be educated on vaccines and better health.

Trying to get these low risk groups to get vaccinated because covid kills and hospitalizes the high risk groups makes sense how exactly? It's literally the equivalent of making children, young adults and healthy middle aged men take heart medication because heart disease kills old people, fat people and people with heart conditions. The shit makes zero sense

[Bronbron23]

Was your life taken away? Did you lose a job? Currently there are more job openings than applicants. Were you even mandated or do you just want to whine like everyone else?

Who's whining. Calling out b.s isn't whining it's just stating the obvious. People like you are the whiners. Worst thing is your whining dosn't makes sense. "We're vaccinated and protected but get the vaccine now because your putting everyone at risk" do you know how dumb yall sound?

And so what if there's lots of job openings in certain fields. Wtf are yiu supposed to do if the profession you spent years on achieving gets taken away because of these ridiculous mandates? You live in fantasy world dude. Most people spend a quarter of their life preparing for the job their in. They aren't qualified for another field. Are you really this dumb?

[Off the Court]

Biden can't even get a mandate on healthcare workers to pass. His proposed mandate isn't even a mandate as they would supply tests for those who are scared of the vaccine. Even without the tests his proposed mandate only affects 2% of the population, those who work in the vicinity of 100+ coworkers. Most of us do not work in groups that large and many who used to are now remote. But the internet has convinced you are on the verge of having a SWAT team kick your door down and inject you. And even if THAT happened it would only make you less ill if you contracted covid. This vaccine has been out for a while now, there are no microchips in it and it isn't an evil plot to depopulate the Earth. It's safe and effective which is why the OP took this medicine, now his immune system is stronger.

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden can't even get a mandate on healthcare workers to pass. His proposed mandate isn't even a mandate as they would supply tests for those who are scared of the vaccine. Even without the tests his proposed mandate only affects 2% of the population, those who work in the vicinity of 100+ coworkers. Most of us do not work in groups that large and many who used to are now remote. But the internet has convinced you are on the verge of having a SWAT team kick your door down and inject you. And even if THAT happened it would only make you less ill if you contracted covid. This vaccine has been out for a while now, there are no microchips in it and it isn't an evil plot to depopulate the Earth. It's safe and effective which is why the OP took this medicine, now his immune system is stronger.

The thought of the mandate in the first place is ridiculous. Don't act all nonchalant about it now and pretend like it wasn't a big deal since it would have never passed blah blah blah. Please, son. By the way, post on your real account, not this fake one. Assclown.

[Rooster]

This is how everyone answers without actually answering.

Yeah dude lots of people died. Who are the unvaccinated that are dying though? It's not children. It's not healthy young adults. It's not healthy middle age adults qnd its not the unvaccinated that had covid. It's the unvaccinated that are old, fat and are immune compromised. Those qre the people who should be educated on vaccines and better health.

Trying to get these low risk groups to get vaccinated because covid kills and hospitalizes the high risk groups makes sense how exactly? It's literally the equivalent of making children, young adults and healthy middle aged men take heart medication because heart disease kills old people, fat people and people with heart conditions. The shit makes zero sense

LMAO

so if the deaths per CDC

18-64 Years old = 219,824

and the vaccinated is 10x less likely to die and 10x less likely to be hospitalized

what do you think the number on a nation with 40% obese and over half have underlying condition? LMAO

Mandate sucks but in a high risk nationand people love suing everyone and companies are obligated to protect their employees, managing that risk becomes necessary. In essence , you have the freedom to exercise your right and companies or states have the freedom to exercise theirs.

Anyways how’s Anti-Vaxx going to mitigate the risk??? What can they probably contribute . Healthy lifestyle - that takes time .

[Rooster]

Yup.

If you're a nurse that means you went to college for four years, went to nursing school after, did apprenticeships, and then finally got a full time gig. So what? You have to dump what you spent your entire prime of your life building and go work at a gas station or something? If everyone but low level grunt jobs are mandating it, its obviously being forced. And they know most people will sell out because they have nowhere to laterally transfer and sustain the career they spent many years to build.

so if that nurse who refused to be vaccinated infected their highly compromised sick patients, who do you think they gonna sue?

the nurse? Lol

or the Hospital?

plain and basic common sense.

[Patrick Chewing]

so if that nurse who refused to be vaccinated infected their highly compromised sick patients, who do you think they gonna sue?

the nurse? Lol

or the Hospital?

plain and basic common sense.

But if her patients are vaccinated, then there's nothing to worry about. Cause as is commonly known now, you can still get infected while vaccinated and still spread it while vaccinated. All the vaccine does is potentially save your life if you are severely immunocompromised. But you're going to contract Covid one way or the other. There's no way around that.


So all of this is a moot point. The vaccine doesn't prevent infection. End of discussion.

[tpols]

Yup.

If you're a nurse that means you went to college for four years, went to nursing school after, did apprenticeships, and then finally got a full time gig. So what? You have to dump what you spent your entire prime of your life building and go work at a gas station or something? If everyone but low level grunt jobs are mandating it, its obviously being forced. And they know most people will sell out because they have nowhere to laterally transfer and sustain the career they spent many years to build.


so if that nurse who refused to be vaccinated infected their highly compromised sick patients, who do you think they gonna sue?

the nurse? Lol

or the Hospital?

plain and basic common sense.

Vaccine doesn't stop the spread. Vaccine prevents death in those that take it. You idiot. :oldlol:

A nurse could be vaccinated and still spread it. A patient that has the vaccine is immune to death from the virus remember?

You guys literally have yourselves twisted in a pretzel over all these contradictions.

[Patrick Chewing]

The level of un-education on the vaccine and the virus is astounding. And these are the people out there preaching to others that they have to do this and they have to do that and demonizing those who disagree with them.

[Off the Court]

Patrick is being demonized by pro-vaxers ya'll :(

Oh wait nvm he's vaccinated. It's easy to forget that in here given the situation. In fact I'm pretty sure he forgets that when posting :oldlol:

[Rooster]

Vaccine doesn't stop the spread. Vaccine prevents death in those that take it. You idiot. :oldlol:

A nurse could be vaccinated and still spread it. A patient that has the vaccine is immune to death from the virus remember?

You guys literally have yourselves twisted in a pretzel over all these contradictions.

LMAO this cesspool canÂ’t process :roll:

[Loco 50]

The level of un-education on the vaccine and the virus is astounding. And these are the people out there preaching to others that they have to do this and they have to do that and demonizing those who disagree with them.
Because you're spreading a big fat lie, babyboi.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection#H2215386965

Breakthrough infections after vaccination — Since no COVID-19 vaccine is 100 percent effective, some infections in fully vaccinated individuals are expected. However, breakthrough infection after vaccination occurs much less frequently than infection in unvaccinated individuals and a high proportion may be asymptomatic [204,205]

Impact on transmission risk — Widespread vaccination reduces the overall transmission risk, since vaccinated individuals are less likely to get infection.

[Patrick Chewing]

Because you're spreading a big fat lie, babyboi.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection#H2215386965

Breakthrough infections after vaccination — Since no COVID-19 vaccine is 100 percent effective, some infections in fully vaccinated individuals are expected. However, breakthrough infection after vaccination occurs much less frequently than infection in unvaccinated individuals and a high proportion may be asymptomatic [204,205]

Impact on transmission risk — Widespread vaccination reduces the overall transmission risk, since vaccinated individuals are less likely to get infection.

So where am I wrong that the vaccinated can still get infected??

[Rooster]

But if her patients are vaccinated, then there's nothing to worry about. Cause as is commonly known now, you can still get infected while vaccinated and still spread it while vaccinated. All the vaccine does is potentially save your life if you are severely immunocompromised. But you're going to contract Covid one way or the other. There's no way around that.


So all of this is a moot point. The vaccine doesn't prevent infection. End of discussion.

LMAO can’t even. What part of 10x less likely you don’t understand?

[Bronbron23]

LMAO

so if the deaths per CDC

18-64 Years old = 219,824

and the vaccinated is 10x less likely to die and 10x less likely to be hospitalized

what do you think the number on a nation with 40% obese and over half have underlying condition? LMAO

Mandate sucks but in a high risk nationand people love suing everyone and companies are obligated to protect their employees, managing that risk becomes necessary. In essence , you have the freedom to exercise your right and companies or states have the freedom to exercise theirs.

Anyways how’s Anti-Vaxx going to mitigate the risk??? What can they probably contribute . Healthy lifestyle - that takes time .

18-64? Why are you lumping in young people with old people when more than 80% of those deaths are older people? And yes lots of people are obese and that's why lots of people should get the vaccine. But just because lots of obese people qnd old people are dying from covid it dosn't mean lots of healthy and young people should have to get vaccinated. Exactly how does that make sense?

[Bronbron23]

so if that nurse who refused to be vaccinated infected their highly compromised sick patients, who do you think they gonna sue?

the nurse? Lol

or the Hospital?

plain and basic common sense.

That makes no sense. She can infect her patients even if she's vaccinated. Can they still sue then?

[theman93]

Because you're spreading a big fat lie, babyboi.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection#H2215386965

Breakthrough infections after vaccination — Since no COVID-19 vaccine is 100 percent effective, some infections in fully vaccinated individuals are expected. However, breakthrough infection after vaccination occurs much less frequently than infection in unvaccinated individuals and a high proportion may be asymptomatic [204,205]

Impact on transmission risk — Widespread vaccination reduces the overall transmission risk, since vaccinated individuals are less likely to get infection.

Both of those references [204,205] are using near year old data babyboi.


COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections Reported to CDC - United States, January 1-April 30, 2021.

Postvaccination SARS-CoV-2 Infections Among Skilled Nursing Facility Residents and Staff Members - Chicago, Illinois, December 2020-March 2021.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection/abstract/204,205


Try some relevant data: https://www.westernjournal.com/new-study-covid-positive-vaccinated-people-just-likely-spread-delta-variant-unvaccinated-people/

[Bronbron23]

Because you're spreading a big fat lie, babyboi.

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection#H2215386965

Breakthrough infections after vaccination — Since no COVID-19 vaccine is 100 percent effective, some infections in fully vaccinated individuals are expected. However, breakthrough infection after vaccination occurs much less frequently than infection in unvaccinated individuals and a high proportion may be asymptomatic [204,205]

Impact on transmission risk — Widespread vaccination reduces the overall transmission risk, since vaccinated individuals are less likely to get infection.

This study is on alpha. Your doing what the news and alot of people due and use alpha talking points for virus that is 99.9% delta. And as we now know with delta the vaccines only minimally reduce the spread. The vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread of delta.

What's funny is people like you say antivaxers are spreading misinformation but your doing it yourself every time you say this lie.

[theman93]

This study is on alpha. Your doing what the news and alot of people due and use alpha talking points for virus that is 99.9% delta. And as we now know with delta the vaccines only minimally reduce the spread. The vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread of delta.

What's funny is people like you say antivaxers are spreading misinformation but your doing it yourself every time you say this lie.

Loco 50 is low IQ :facepalm

Babyboi compared the covid vaccines duration of protection (a couple months) to the varicella vaccine duration of protection. Yikes.


Several studies have shown that people vaccinated against varicella had antibodies for at least 10 to 20 years after vaccination. But, these studies were done before the vaccine was widely used and when infection with wild-type varicella was still very common.

A case-control study conducted from 1997 to 2003 showed that 1 dose of varicella vaccine was 97% effective in the first year after vaccination and 86% effective in the second year. From the second to eighth year after vaccination, the vaccine effectiveness remained stable at 81 to 86%. Most vaccinated children who developed varicella during the 8 years after vaccination had mild disease.(1)

A clinical trial showed that children with 2 doses of varicella vaccine were protected 10 years after being vaccinated. Fewer people had breakthrough varicella after 2 doses compared with 1 dose. The risk of breakthrough varicella did not increase over time.(2)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/varicella/hcp-effective-duration.htm

[Rooster]

18-64? Why are you lumping in young people with old people when more than 80% of those deaths are older people? And yes lots of people are obese and that's why lots of people should get the vaccine. But just because lots of obese people qnd old people are dying from covid it dosn't mean lots of healthy and young people should have to get vaccinated. Exactly how does that make sense?

LMAO 🤣

Those are the age group of working people in a company , organization , establishments, etc.

Are you supposed to separate them accordingly from fat , obese, older to other people you deem healthy? LMAO.

You are going to mandate everyone for full check up, all the CT Scans, MRI , Lab tests to prove they are indeed healthy with a doctors clearance of course.

Your idea is plausible but not sustainable brah. At the end of the day , those people will work together.

[Rooster]

That makes no sense. She can infect her patients even if she's vaccinated. Can they still sue then?

I put the risk ratio and you can’t still grasp it. LMAO.

The Hospital has to manage that risk, not the nurse.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO ��

Those are the age group of working people in a company , organization , establishments, etc.

Are you supposed to separate them accordingly from fat , obese, older to other people you deem healthy? LMAO.

You are going to mandate everyone for full check up, all the CT Scans, MRI , Lab tests to prove they are indeed healthy with a doctors clearance of course.

Your idea is plausible but not sustainable brah. At the end of the day , those people will work together.

Separate them for what? I'm against Mandates dude. You don't Separate them and force the old and obese to vaccinate you educate them on why they should get vaccinated. Most old people got vaccinated anyway because they knew they were a high risk group. I'm sure obese people would of done the same if the cdc, government and news weren't so incompetent. They haven't said anything about the importance of health in fighting covid even though obesity is a huge factor.

Honestly you sound like a tool dude. The media has you stupid.

[Rooster]

This study is on alpha. Your doing what the news and alot of people due and use alpha talking points for virus that is 99.9% delta. And as we now know with delta the vaccines only minimally reduce the spread. The vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread of delta.

What's funny is people like you say antivaxers are spreading misinformation but your doing it yourself every time you say
lol this lie.


LMAO. Lower the risk of infection 5 times on Delta variant is not minimal brah.

Especially for a vaccine that is designed for Alpha variant

5x

5x

5x

and MOST IMPORTANTLY Lower the risk of

HOSPITALIZATION 10x
DEATH 10x

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

I put the risk ratio and you can’t still grasp it. LMAO.

The Hospital has to manage that risk, not the nurse.

Your risk ratio made no sense. Like most idiots you use the generalized numbers the government and news is using. It's disingenuous though. It be something like the risk of death from covid is 10x more likely amongst the unvaccinated than the unvaccinated from ages 18-64. This is crazy because covid kills way more 40-64 year olds than it does under 40 year olds. It also kills way more obese people than healthy people. A healthy unvaccinated 25 year old is probably no more at risk from civid than a obese vaccinated 35 year yet your applying these numbers to everyone just the same.

This is a pandemic of the old and fat unvaccinated. It's not much different than heart disease that way.

[Rooster]

Separate them for what? I'm against Mandates dude. You don't Separate them and force the old and obese to vaccinate you educate them on why they should get vaccinated. Most old people got vaccinated anyway because they knew they were a high risk group. I'm sure obese people would of done the same if the cdc, government and news weren't so incompetent. They haven't said anything about the importance of health in fighting covid even though obesity is a huge factor.

Honestly you sound like a tool dude. The media has you stupid.

LMAO You are the. one playing doctor trying to identify who is HEALTHY.

I already put the risk out there, both VACCINATED and UNVACCINATED will have casualties.

Vaccines is simply to mitigate the risk, it’s not all or nothing solution

[Bronbron23]

LMAO. Lower the risk of infection 5 times on Delta variant is not minimal brah.

Especially for a vaccine that is designed for Alpha variant

5x

5x

5x

and MOST IMPORTANTLY Lower the risk of

HOSPITALIZATION 10x
DEATH 10x

:roll:

Where did you get 5x? I could show you studies that show its nowhere close to that.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO. Lower the risk of infection 5 times on Delta variant is not minimal brah.

Especially for a vaccine that is designed for Alpha variant

5x

5x

5x

and MOST IMPORTANTLY Lower the risk of

HOSPITALIZATION 10x
DEATH 10x

:roll:

And it's not 10x for alot of people. Your using generalized numbers.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO You are the. one playing doctor trying to identify who is HEALTHY.

I already put the risk out there, both VACCINATED and UNVACCINATED will have casualties.

Vaccines is simply to mitigate the risk, it’s not all or nothing solution

No i'm not trying to identify anyone. I'm just saying these are the people who are high risk and these are the people who are low risk. The high risk should be educated on ways to fight covid like vaccines, healthy living, masks and even self isolation. Mandates aren't necessary though.

[Loco 50]

Both of those references [204,205] are using near year old data babyboi.



https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccines-to-prevent-sars-cov-2-infection/abstract/204,205


Try some relevant data: https://www.westernjournal.com/new-study-covid-positive-vaccinated-people-just-likely-spread-delta-variant-unvaccinated-people/

You raised my evidence-based medical treatment source site with a far right junk site? K

[theman93]

You raised my evidence-based medical treatment source site with a far right junk site? K

The link to the study is contained in the article. You’re just willfully blind with your reliance on outdated data :lol

[Rooster]

And it's not 10x for alot of people. Your using generalized numbers.

18-49 -

unvaccinated

Case -331,151
Hospitalized - 10,526
Death - 609

Vaccinated -

Cases - 10,346
Hospitalized- 295
Death - 7

Looks like the spread is higher on this age group but I digress. LMAO

[Patrick Chewing]

LMAO can’t even. What part of 10x less likely you don’t understand?

Right, so if you're 10x less likely to catch it if you're fully vaccinated as you said, then why are you worried about someone who isn't vaccinated?? :oldlol:

This is beyond comical.

[Rooster]

Right, so if you're 10x less likely to catch it if you're fully vaccinated as you said, then why are you worried about someone who isn't vaccinated?? :oldlol:

This is beyond comical.

LMAO. Your train of thought seems to be believing vaccines is all or nothing solution. Vaccinated die too brah especially in the hospital where immunocompromised and sick people dwell. So if unvaccinated have 5 times higher spreading the Covid, what you going to do to mitigate the risk?

[Bronbron23]

18-49 -

unvaccinated

Case -331,151
Hospitalized - 10,526
Death - 609

Vaccinated -

Cases - 10,346
Hospitalized- 295
Death - 7

Looks like the spread is higher on this age group but I digress. LMAO

Your still doing it. How many of those who died were obese or immune compromised? Almost all of them. That's why these numbers don't apply to healthy individuals in that age group and it doesn't apply to those who already had covid.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO. Your train of thought seems to be believing vaccines is all or nothing solution. Vaccinated die too brah especially in the hospital where immunocompromised and sick people dwell. So if unvaccinated have 5 times higher spreading the Covid, what you going to do to mitigate the risk?

Where are you getting this 5x higher?

[Rooster]

Your still doing it. How many of those who died were obese or immune compromised? Almost all of them. That's why these numbers don't apply to healthy individuals in that age group and it doesn't apply to those who already had covid.

LMAO YÂ’all musta forgot that over 50% of Covid is spread by Asymptomatic. Why itÂ’s so hard concept that vaccine is a preventable measure to mitigate the risk.

ItÂ’s like you are walking in a building , travel, going to the game or going to a concert,event etc and you already know which is healthy and which one is not . LMAO only people who are grounded have difficulty understanding this.

Like I told you , 40% of Americans are obese and over half have underlying conditions. This is not a best nation to fit your narrative. If you want to get it done ideally, let every Americans get a antigen/antibody test and whoever confirm positive on antigen will take a viral load test . And whoever get positive on antibody have routine test done once thereÂ’s is a metric established to determine Covid immunity. Like I said if a mask is a problem, you possibly expect people to behave accordingly and do all that. LMAO

[Rooster]

Where are you getting this 5x higher?

Again no matter how many times I put this , you will only read what you want to read and make excuses. I put that numbers above in an age group that you keep insisting (actually higher than 5x in that particular age group) and you still can’t process it.

Just check the CDC brah.

Or or better yet , just eyeballing which one is healthy and which one is not .

LMAO. ��

[SATAN]

Bronbron23 is a pathological liar.

[Patrick Chewing]

Where are you getting this 5x higher?

Just check the CDC bruh! Nowhere have I seen or heard that the vaccinated spread it less.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO YÂ’all musta forgot that over 50% of Covid is spread by Asymptomatic. Why itÂ’s so hard concept that vaccine is a preventable measure to mitigate the risk.

ItÂ’s like you are walking in a building , travel, going to the game or going to a concert,event etc and you already know which is healthy and which one is not . LMAO only people who are grounded have difficulty understanding this.

Like I told you , 40% of Americans are obese and over half have underlying conditions. This is not a best nation to fit your narrative. If you want to get it done ideally, let every Americans get a antigen/antibody test and whoever confirm positive on antigen will take a viral load test . And whoever get positive on antibody have routine test done once thereÂ’s is a metric established to determine Covid immunity. Like I said if a mask is a problem, you possibly expect people to behave accordingly and do all that. LMAO

For one the asymptomatic argument is a terrible one. What do you think most vaccinated people are when they get covid? They're asymptomatic whereas most non vaccinated are gonna get symptoms. The vaccinated with symptoms are gonna stay hime because they have symptoms and the unvaccinated with no symptoms are gonna be out in public spreading this thing like crazy. This is basic common sense and is an argument that many experts have made.

And i saw the cdc numbers but again they're misleading for a few reasons. One is as you say alot of people are obese. These are the ones getting sick and or dying. Not the millions of healthy people. Not the millions of vaccinated people.

Qnd it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread. Yes it reduces it more than not being vaccinated but that's a terrible argument because both are spreading this like crazy. It be like saying you should smoking 30 cigarettes a day is better for you than smoking 60 cigarettes a day. It's dumb af dude.

[Bronbron23]

Bronbron23 is a pathological liar.

What e exactly have i lied about exactly? I've said the vaccines aren't effective at significantly reducing the spread and that covid for the most part only kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. What about those statements are factually incorrect?

[Rooster]

For one the asymptomatic argument is a terrible one. What do you think most vaccinated people are when they get covid? They're asymptomatic whereas most non vaccinated are gonna get symptoms. The vaccinated with symptoms are gonna stay hime because they have symptoms and the unvaccinated with no symptoms are gonna be out in public spreading this thing like crazy. This is basic common sense and is an argument that many experts have made.

And i saw the cdc numbers but again they're misleading for a few reasons. One is as you say alot of people are obese. These are the ones getting sick and or dying. Not the millions of healthy people. Not the millions of vaccinated people.

Qnd it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in reducing the spread. Yes it reduces it more than not being vaccinated but that's a terrible argument because both are spreading this like crazy. It be like saying you should smoking 30 cigarettes a day is better for you than smoking 60 cigarettes a day. It's dumb af dude.

LMAO Before there was a vaccine brah, the R was 3-4 and a studies validated that over half is spread by a asymptomatic. This is before the vaccine came out.

The Delta variant is from India when they were most people where non vaccinated.

Now your claiming the vaccinated spreading it like crazy on the same ratio or whatever slightly only definitions you can come out out.

Non vaccinated - over 300 k
vaccinated -10 K

What kind of math you can come out with to justify your assumption? LMAO

LMAO. Do you understand what Efficacy mean . Can you count?

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

LMAO Before there was a vaccine brah, the R was 3-4 and a studies validated that over half is spread by a asymptomatic. This is before the vaccine came out.

The Delta variant is from India when they were most people where non vaccinated.

Now your claiming the vaccinated spreading it like crazy on the same ratio or whatever slightly only definitions you can come out out.

Non vaccinated - over 300 k
vaccinated -10 K

What kind of math you can come out with to justify your assumption? LMAO

LMAO. Do you understand what Efficacy mean . Can you count?

:roll:

Those numbers aren't causal though. There's lots of variables on why those numbers could be what they are. In actually controlled studies it's nowhere near that big of a gap.

Again it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread. Are you actually arguing this?

[Rooster]

Those numbers aren't causal though. There's lots of variables on why those numbers could be what they are. In actually controlled studies it's nowhere near that big of a gap.

Again it's a fact that the vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread. Are you actually arguing this?

Variables you say . LMAO

These are mostly mRNA vaccinated medical personnel who work with sick patients.

109,865 health care personnel were tested across the participating sites; of these persons, 8365 (7.6%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. A total of 1482 participants with a positive test and at least one Covid-19–like symptom (cases) and 3449 with a negative test were enrolled. Among the enrolled health care personnel, 69% worked at acute care hospitals (including emergency departments), 31% in outpatient or specialty clinics, 1% in urgent care clinics, and 1% in long-term care facilities.

LMAO. Are you keep defining the variables again???

:roll:


Again do you understand what EFFICACY MEANS?

[Bronbron23]

Variables you say . LMAO

These are mostly mRNA vaccinated medical personnel who work with sick patients.

109,865 health care personnel were tested across the participating sites; of these persons, 8365 (7.6%) tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. A total of 1482 participants with a positive test and at least one Covid-19–like symptom (cases) and 3449 with a negative test were enrolled. Among the enrolled health care personnel, 69% worked at acute care hospitals (including emergency departments), 31% in outpatient or specialty clinics, 1% in urgent care clinics, and 1% in long-term care facilities.

LMAO. Are you keep defining the variables again???

:roll:


Again do you understand what EFFICACY MEANS?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Right so why is there no correlation between vaccinations and cases and deaths in so many places?

And you have no idea what efficacy means dude. Efficacy has to do with how these vaccines work when applied to regular society not controlled studies. Clearly these vaccines aren't doing a great job at that. Some of the most vaccinated places are having record cases and some of the lowest vaccinated places are having almost no cases.

It's pretty simple dude. Covid effects the old, fat and immune compromised. These are the people who should get the vaccines. Not the young, healthy and those who have natural immunity. This isn't even arguable

[Rooster]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

Right so why is there no correlation between vaccinations and cases and deaths in so many places?

And you have no idea what efficacy means dude. Efficacy has to do with how these vaccines work when applied to regular society not controlled studies. Clearly these vaccines aren't doing a great job at that. Some of the most vaccinated places are having record cases and some of the lowest vaccinated places are having almost no cases.

It's pretty simple dude. Covid effects the old, fat and immune compromised. These are the people who should get the vaccines. Not the young, healthy and those who have natural immunity. This isn't even arguable

LMAO you used a Pfizer jab but you donÂ’t want to use Moderna 76% efficacy against Delta in real world.

How about this letÂ’s USE ALL VACCINES (THAT IS DESIGN FOR ALPHA )
AGAINST DELTA

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/17/which-vaccine-is-the-most-effective-against-the-delta-variant

Again you have trouble processing information.

Look brah Vaccination on healthy young individual bring little benefit to himself/herself. ThatÂ’s been given. But in general , vaccination lower the risk and greatly mitigate the risk of hospitalization and death. ItÂ’s not mutually exclusive . Both can be right at the same time

but if you are running a company of letÂ’s say over 10.100s 1000s. You can not access all of their medical information . You canÂ’t possibly know if they Asthma, HIV , HTN, Lupus, Type 1 Diabetes or Type 2 etc. and you are not most like likely qualified as Physician to validate your employer are HEALTHY. Your logic trying to identify them if they are HEALTHY by simply eyeballing is not applicable in REAL WORLD. What you can control is mitigating the risk.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO you used a Pfizer jab but you donÂ’t want to use Moderna 76% efficacy against Delta in real world.

How about this letÂ’s USE ALL VACCINES (THAT IS DESIGN FOR ALPHA )
AGAINST DELTA

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/17/which-vaccine-is-the-most-effective-against-the-delta-variant

Again you have trouble processing information.

Look brah Vaccination on healthy young individual bring little benefit to himself/herself. ThatÂ’s been given. But in general , vaccination lower the risk and greatly mitigate the risk of hospitalization and death. ItÂ’s not mutually exclusive . Both can be right at the same time

but if you are running a company of letÂ’s say over 10.100s 1000s. You can not access all of their medical information . You canÂ’t possibly know if they Asthma, HIV , HTN, Lupus, Type 1 Diabetes or Type 2 etc. and you are not most like likely qualified as Physician to validate your employer are HEALTHY. Your logic trying to identify them if they are HEALTHY by simply eyeballing is not applicable in REAL WORLD. What you can control is mitigating the risk.

Yes obviously vaccines work for those who need them. I'm not arguing vaccines aren't effective in minimizing deaths and hospitalizations. I'm arguing against mandates trying to force everyone to get the vaccines. Even the people who aren't at high risk.

And companies don't have to do anything. Those who wanna vaccinated should get vaccinated and those who don't want to get vaccinated don't have to. If the vaccines work that means your protected right? And since this thing is spreading regardless if your vaccinated or not it dosn't matter whether i'm vaccinated or not right?

[SATAN]

What e exactly have i lied about exactly? I've said the vaccines aren't effective at significantly reducing the spread and that covid for the most part only kills and hospitalizes the old, obese and immune compromised. What about those statements are factually incorrect?

You are acting stupid for attention lately and you know it.

[Bronbron23]

You are acting stupid for attention lately and you know it.

Not at all and saying so dosn't make it true. Answer the question. What is factually wrong about me saying vaccines aren't effective in significantly reducing the spread? What is factually wrong about saying the naturally immune, young and healthy adults aren't at significant risk?