Peak Playoff Rondo (09-12') vs Pippen's 3-peat stats

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09-12' Rondo (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html#2009-2012-sum:playoffs_per_game).... 19.3 PER... 16/7/10 on 46%

96-98' Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.0 PER.... 17/7/5 on 41%
91-93' Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.6 PER.... 20/8/6 on 47%


Rondo's peak performance occurred as #1 option - he averaged 21/6/12 on 54% in an upset win over the league favorite 2010 Cavs.. Pippen has nothing like this.

Overall, peak Rondo has twice the assists, leadership and clutch with nearly the same scoring.

[ELITEpower23]

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1-9

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1-9


What would've happened if Lebron's 9 seeds in 04', 05' and 19' were 8 seeds instead and faced the 04' Pistons and 19' Warriors in the 1st Round?

He'd be 1-9.... or thereabouts.. especially if this was rookie Lebron..

Fortunately, he missed those playoffs and had 3 years to develop his team into a favored, high seed before entering the 06' or 20' Playoffs.... The first time he was a low seed (21') he lost in the 1st Round like rookie MJ

[ELITEpower23]

What would've happened if Lebron's 9 seeds in 04', 05' and 19' were 8 seeds instead and faced the 04' Pistons and 19' Warriors in the 1st Round?

He'd be 1-9.... or thereabouts.. especially if this was rookie Lebron..

Fortunately, he missed those playoffs and had 3 years to develop his team into a favored, high seed before entering the 06' or 20' Playoffs.... The first time he was a low seed (21') he lost in the 1st Round like rookie MJ

Nope.

22 year old LBJ = Finals

22 year old MJ = 1st round sweep

[97 bulls]

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09-12' Rondo (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01.html#2009-2012-sum:playoffs_per_game).... 19.3 PER... 16/7/10 on 46%

96-98' Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.0 PER.... 17/7/5 on 41%
91-93' Pippen (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game)... 19.6 PER.... 20/8/6 on 47%


Rondo's peak performance occurred as #1 option - he averaged 21/6/12 on 54% in an upset win over the league favorite 2010 Cavs.. Pippen has nothing like this.

Overall, peak Rondo has twice the assists, leadership and clutch with nearly the same scoring.

So why isn't Rondo considered a top 5 player in the league at any time by his peers?

[3ba11]

So why isn't Rondo considered a top 5 player in the league at any time by his peers?


No one considered Pippen better than MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, or Malone at any point in his career, regardless of a few quotes that you google out of a 30-year period.. If you keep continuing to claim he was better than them, then you lose credibility and it isn't worth a discussion - it's flat out lying...

No one thought he was better than Ewing either... or Clyde... or Stockton... or Payton... or Hill or Penny... Kemp proved to be superior time and time again by WIDE margins... and many more.

Ultimately, Pippen's accolades are similar to Kobe's all-defense - i.e. many were a result of his association with MJ and the winning spotlight, aka not deserved..

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Playoff rondo was a badass though. He waa top 10 point guard all time level during that time and their best player during 2010 finals run

[97 bulls]

No one considered Pippen better than MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, or Malone at any point in his career, regardless of a few quotes that you google out of a 30-year period.. If you keep continuing to claim he was better than them, then you lose credibility and it isn't worth a discussion - it's flat out lying...

No one thought he was better than Ewing either... or Clyde... or Stockton... or Payton... or Hill or Penny... Kemp proved to be superior time and time again by WIDE margins... and many more.

Ultimately, Pippen's accolades are similar to Kobe's all-defense - i.e. many were a result of his association with MJ and the winning spotlight, aka not deserved..

Bird did, Malone did, Rodman did, hell even Jordan did. All of your quotes are from 90 and before. Mine are the assessments of Hall of Fame players after Pippen's career was finished. Maybe you need to look up the definition of the phrase "no one".

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Nope.

22 year old LBJ = Finals

22 year old MJ = 1st round sweep


Stats at 22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense


07' Lebron vs Spurs*...... 22 on 36%
08' Lebron vs Celtics...... 26 on 36%

86' Jordan vs Celtics*.... 44 on 50%
87' Jordan vs Celtics...... 36 on 42%,


Jordan was far superior at 22... However, he was a rookie and forced to carry the worst teams of his career (8 seeds), while Lebron's low seeds avoided the playoffs and he only had high seeds in the playoffs

The first time he had a low seed (2021), he lost in first round

[Axe]

Kobe won the 2000 finals averaging only almost 16 ppg.

Oh wait. He actually had shaq to carry him.