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iamgine

12-04-2021, 01:17 PM

Age by Feb 1st

18 - Tracy Mcgrady
19 - Luka Doncic
20 - Lebron James
21
22
23 - Michael Jordan?
24
25
26
27 - Michael Jordan? Shaq?
28
29
30
31 - Hakeem Olajuwon?
32
33
34
35 - LeBron James?
36
37 - Karl Malone?
38 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
39 - John Stockton
40 - John Stockton
41 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
42 - Vince Carter
43 - Robert Parish
44 - Kevin Willis

Fill out the rest.

Johnny32

12-04-2021, 01:24 PM

31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, are all lebron.

ELITEpower23

12-04-2021, 01:27 PM

31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, are all lebron.

+1

Same for 24

2009 LeBron was on another stratosphere at that age

37 PER in the playoffs is unmatched thru a conference Finals

Akeem34TheDream

12-04-2021, 01:32 PM

18 - Kobe
19 - Luka Doncic
20 - Shaq
21 - TJ McConnell
22 - TJ McConnell
23 - TJ McConnell
24 - TJ McConnell
25 - TJ McConnell
26 - TJ McConnell
27 - Michael Jordan
28 - TJ McConnell
29 - TJ McConnell
30 - Michael Jordan
31 - Michael Jordan
32- LeBron James
33- LeBron James
34 - Michael Jordan
35 - Michael Jordan
36 - LeBron James
37 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
38 - Kareem Abdul Jabbar
39 - KAJ
40 - KAJ
41 - KAJ
42 - Vince Carter
43 - Robert Parish
44 - Kevin Willis

ELITEpower23

12-04-2021, 01:54 PM

Phoenix

12-04-2021, 05:09 PM

39 - John Stockton
40 - John Stockton

You sure about that one, OP?

999Guy

12-04-2021, 10:00 PM

Luka was definitely better than LeBron at 20.
05 LeBron was not a superstar.

Wasn’t passing or defending like he would later like in 08.

Luka’s passing and scoring was way more advanced.

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:04 PM

Jordan at 28, 29, 33, 35 won league, finals, scoring title, all nba 1st team, all 1st defensive team and won the title for the franchise that drafted him and that never won prior to him arriving.

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:06 PM

31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, are all lebron.

Umm no.

SouBeachTalents

12-04-2021, 10:07 PM

Definitely not Kawhi for any of them

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:13 PM

Definitely not Kawhi for any of them

2019 at 27 he was pretty good. He and MJ battling for that spot.

1987_Lakers

12-04-2021, 10:31 PM

1987_Lakers

12-04-2021, 10:32 PM

2019 at 27 he was pretty good. He and MJ battling for that spot.

Kawhi better than 2000 version of Shaq? LOL

SouBeachTalents

12-04-2021, 10:36 PM

19 - LeBron
20 - LeBron
21 - LeBron
22 - Kareem
23 - Kareem
24 - MJ or Kareem
25 - MJ
26 - MJ
27 - Shaq
28 - Shaq/MJ
29 - MJ
30 - Wilt
31 - Hakeem/LeBron
32 - LeBron
33 - LeBron
34 - MJ
35 - LeBron
36 - K. Malone
37 - Kareem
38 - Kareem
39 - K. Malone
40 - Stockton
Just FYI the ages on basketball reference aren't always accurate for players. I only say that because I'm assuming you don't believe 1999 Shaq is the best 27 year old ever getting swept in the 2nd round.

1987_Lakers

12-04-2021, 10:40 PM

Just FYI the ages on basketball reference aren't always accurate for players. I only say that because I'm assuming you don't believe 1999 Shaq is the best 27 year old ever getting swept in the 2nd round.

Yea, I pretty much labeled Shaq at 27 for 2000 given OP said "age by Feb 1", I assume that meant they were that exact age at that date, and Shaq was 27 by Feb 1st, 2000 I believe.

But I pretty much went age by basketballreference.

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:41 PM

Kawhi better than 2000 version of Shaq? LOL

Shaq was 28 when the playoffs came around. Kawhi was 27 when he won the title in 2019 and then a few days later turned 28.

SouBeachTalents

12-04-2021, 10:43 PM

Yea, I pretty much labeled Shaq at 27 for 2000 given OP said "age by Feb 1", I assume that meant they were that exact age at that date, and Shaq was 27 by Feb 1st, 2000 I believe.

But I pretty much went age by basketballreference.
Ah, didn't see the bolded. I only pointed that out because I always consider the players age for that season by what age they were in the playoffs.

1987_Lakers

12-04-2021, 10:45 PM

Shaq was 28 when the playoffs came around. Kawhi was 27 when he won the title in 2019 and then a few days later turned 28.

Kawhi not even better at 27 than Magic Johnson, LeBron, MJ, Durant, Bird etc, let alone Shaq.

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:49 PM

Ah, didn't see the bolded. I only pointed that out because I always consider the players age for that season by what age they were in the playoffs.

Agreed!

kawhileonard2

12-04-2021, 10:50 PM

Kawhi not even better at 27 than Magic Johnson, LeBron, MJ, Durant, Bird etc, let alone Shaq.

Shaq at that age wasn't better than MJ or Magic or Kawhi.

3ba11

12-05-2021, 09:36 AM

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Lebron weakened his opponent by stealing their sidekick:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-15-2021/t3TEzx.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-15-2021/LIlDOj.gif

So Lebron had the East all-star center and his opponent's sidekick, along with the future COY and top defenses... aka HIGH SEEDS in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while MJ had rookie low seeds in a conference that required a super-team to win.

Lebron didn't have to carry his worst teams/low seeds in the playoffs because he got 3 years to develop his team into a veteran, high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs.. Otoh, Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in year 1 as a low seed and forced to carry his worst teams in the playoffs as a rookie.

3ba11

12-05-2021, 09:38 AM

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Stats at 22-23 years old against championship team and #1 defense

Lebron vs 07' Spurs..... 22 on 35%
Lebron vs 08' Celtics.... 26 on 35%

Jordan vs 86' Celtics.... 44 on 50%
Jordan vs 87' Celtics.... 36 on 41%

Lebron didn't have to carry his worst teams/low seeds in the playoffs because he got 3 years to develop his team into a veteran, high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs.. Otoh, Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in year 1 as a low seed and forced to carry his worst teams in as a rookie.

Lebron's first playoff teams actually had the East all-star center and his opponent's sidekick (a 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition), along with the future COY and top defenses... aka HIGH SEEDS in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while MJ had rookie low seeds in a conference that required a super-team to win..

Ultimately, at some point in everyone's career, they had equal-scoring teammates to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, and therefore weren't facing maximum defensive attention - any period without max defensive attention are inflated stats compared to Jordan, who faced max defensive attention for his entire career by carrying the scoring load in every SERIES, let alone playoff run..

So Jordan's stats are the baseline to which everyone is compared because his stats are the only stats that reflect max defensive attention for an entire career, aka no periods without facing max defensive attention (no inflation).

Im so nba'd out

12-05-2021, 10:21 AM

18 LeBron
19 LeBron
20 LeBron
21 LeBron
22 LeBron
23 LeBron
24 LeBron
25 LeBron
26 Wilt
27 Magic
28 LeBron
29 LeBron
30 LeBron
31 LeBron
32 LeBron
33 LeBron
34 LeBron
35 LeBron
36 LeBron
37 Kareem
38 Kareem
39 Kareem
40 Kareem

TheGoatest

12-05-2021, 10:25 AM

31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, are all lebron.

Luka being better than LeBron at 19 is also crap. LeBron at 19 averaged a couple of more points on a higher fg%, one assist more, a steal and half a block more than Luka at 19. Luka averaged about one rebound more.

Also, why random-ass "age by Feb 1st" and not just flat out age? So you could say that McGrady, who would otherwise be completely obliterated by LeBron (who played 31 games at 18 and averaged 20/6/6) is best at 18, but at the same time include Luka (wrongly) being better than LeBron at 19?

Im so nba'd out

12-05-2021, 10:30 AM

Luka being better than LeBron at 19 is also crap. LeBron at 19 averaged a couple of more points on a higher fg%, one assist more, a steal and half a block more than Luka at 19. Luka averaged about one rebound more.

Also, why random-ass "age by Feb 1st" and not just flat out age? So you could say that McGrady, who would otherwise be completely obliterated by LeBron (who played 31 games at 18 and averaged 20/6/6) is best at 18, but at the same time include Luka (wrongly) being better than LeBron at 19?

Because Jordan's birthday is after February 1st. ITs a clever way to keep him completely off the list, cause he would of made it as the best player at age 40. but because of the unique rules made by OP, he doesnt qualify so he is completely off the list :oldlol:. some "goat" huh? :oldlol: