All of MJ’s asterisks

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91: The year the NBA implemented the increase in penalties for flagrant fouls. It was Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant vs Magic Johnson. The Lakers of the 90s had no Kareem, arguably one of the GOAT, Michael Cooper who is arguably the greatest on-ball defender in history, and James Worthy who suffered an ankle injury against Portland who was basically hobbling the entire series. Byron Scott and James Worthy didn't play the final game of that series, cakewalk for MJ's Bulls.

92: MJ, Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant vs Clyde Drexler and.....well that's all the Blazers had. Cakewalk for MJ's Bulls.

93: MJ, Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant vs Charles Barkley. Chuck's team had a great record during the watered down 90s but I dare you to tell me that that suns team would have gone over .500 in the 80s. Cakewalk for MJ's Bulls.

94: Pippen almost leads the Bulls to a championship on his own but is eliminated due to one of the most bullshit calls in Playoff history. With a CBA player filling MJ's place the Bulls only drop 2 games compared to the previous years with MJ on the team. Why was MJ's impact so minimal?

96: The 3 point line is shortened to near the college level thus why MJ's 3 point% jumped dramatically. This was an expansion year so there were new cupcake teams that padded the Bulls record to 72-10. Faced an injured Gary Payton and lazy Shawn Kemp in the Finals with the addition of Dennis Rodman, multiple time defensive player of the year winner and arguably the greatest rebounding forward in NBA history. Cakewalk for MJ's Bulls.

97 and 98: The Utah Jazz who are probably the best team that Jordan's Bulls ever faced in all the years they went to the Finals, but this team does not hold a candle to the Utah Jazz of the 80s. If you recall in the 80s they had Mark Eaton who is the greatest shot blocker in NBA history since they started recording blocks. He used to give MJ problems regularly and there were no easy trips into the paint for the psuedo GOAT. MJ matched up with Byron Russell who I'll put bluntly was an absolute scrub. Karl Malone and Stockton were the only decent players on that entire roster trying to pick up the slack for Greg Ostertag who was a liability on defense playing the 5.

[Axe]

Meltdown

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Imagine creating a lousy dup to trash baldan :(

[Johnny32]

it's insane how watered down the 90s were. the lg added two teams in 88. two teams in 89. two teams in 95. and have added only one team since in 2004 despite the talent pool being far deeper now.

[HunterSThompson]

none of these are asterisks. only one I can think of is Rodman being the real 96 finals mvp

[Bronbron23]

it's insane how watered down the 90s were. the lg added two teams in 88. two teams in 89. two teams in 95. and have added only one team since in 2004 despite the talent pool being far deeper now.

You do realize that the same advantages mj got from new teams being in the league bron and players from this era enjoy as well right? And if more teams watering down the league is such a big factor that means kareem, magic, bird and Russell have a better argument than mj and everyone from this era became they played when there were less teams. Shit Russ played when there was like 8 teams and he won 11 chips. Based on your logic he's by far the goat.

[Axe]

it's insane how watered down the 90s were. the lg added two teams in 88. two teams in 89. two teams in 95. and have added only one team since in 2004 despite the talent pool being far deeper now.
Hurr durr kyurr

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[Johnny32]

You do realize that the same advantages mj got from new teams being in the league bron and players from this era enjoy as well right

what part of the talent pool being far deeper are you failing to comprehend?

[Johnny32]

Hurr durr kyurr

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you okay, lil fella? did the truth hurt your feelings?

[Axe]

you okay, lil fella? did the truth hurt your feelings?
Did duh truth what?

[AirBonner]

Op with yet another quality thread. Keep it up any you just might be the ish roty ;)

[Bronbron23]

what part of the talent pool being far deeper are you failing to comprehend?

It's not far deeper It's just a little deeper. It seems deeper to you because everything is relevant now. Just look at the last couple finals though. These teams aren't that deep with talent. Bucs won with one superstar and mid level all star and a bunch of supporters that weren't special. Heat were in the finals the following year with not even a superstar really.

Mj and bulls skunked a Orlando magic team with as much talent and shooting as any team in the league now. What makes you think he'd have a problem with any of this crop?

[Johnny32]

It's not far deeper It's just a little deeper. It seems deeper to you because everything is relevant now.

lmao.

there was 23 foreign born players at the start of the 92 season, there was 109 at the start of this season.

you're a clown...stop obsessing over everything i post.

[Bronbron23]

lmao.

there was 23 foreign born players at the start of the 92 season, there was 109 at the start of this season.

you're a clown...stop obsessing over everything i post.

Right because there's so many foreign born players now that would give mj problems. Who are we talking exactly? Slow ass luka and jokic? No maybe greek who in the 90's slow half court would be lucky to score 20 a game. I mean damn the last handful of championship teams were packed with these amazing foreign players:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

lmao.

there was 23 foreign born players at the start of the 92 season, there was 109 at the start of this season.

you're a clown...stop obsessing over everything i post.

And stop posting dumb shit and maybe i'll leave your bitchass alone

[Johnny32]

that wasn't the argument clown.

[Johnny32]

it's insane how watered down the 90s were. the lg added two teams in 88. two teams in 89. two teams in 95. and have added only one team since in 2004 despite the talent pool being far deeper now.


You do realize that the same advantages mj got from new teams being in the league bron and players from this era enjoy as well right?


what part of the talent pool being far deeper are you failing to comprehend?


It's not far deeper It's just a little deeper. It seems deeper to you because everything is relevant now.


lmao.

there was 23 foreign born players at the start of the 92 season, there was 109 at the start of this season.

you're a clown...stop obsessing over everything i post.


Right because there's so many foreign born players now that would give mj problems. Who are we talking exactly? Slow ass luka and jokic? No maybe greek who in the 90's slow half court would be lucky to score 20 a game. I mean damn the last handful of championship teams were packed with these amazing foreign players:facepalm


that wasn't the argument clown.

absolutely embarrassing.

[SouBeachTalents]

This is a legit asterisk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ks4tzZ8kLY&t=149s

Two bad calls that both benefitted the Bulls, resulting in a 5 point swing in a game they'd win by only 1 point to clinch the championship. That's not even getting into Jordan's pushoff on Russell

Jordan also kicked Stockton during the title winning play in '97

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-jGOjXXJY&t=260s

[Bronbron23]

absolutely embarrassing.

Yes very embarrassing. I've never seen stupidity like this until 5 min ago on one of your other posts:oldlol:

And what's the point of bringing up the foreign players then? How does having 4x more foreign players make q difference in mj dominating? Especially when these players are distributed among the league and mj himself would benefit from having some as teammates. Exactly how does more foreign players make a difference?

Especially when most European players are less athletic and worse defenders than their American counterparts and athathleticism and defense is one of your main arguments on why mj would struggle in the nba now?

[Full Court]

Talking about the shortened three point line to bash MJ is the most idiotic argument anyone's ever made on this forum. Hey OP, you do realize that the three point line was shorter for EVERYONE, on EVERY TEAM, not just for Jordan, right?

OP is living proof of the failure of our education system.

And the 2020 bubble championship was the biggest asterisk in the history of the NBA.

[TheGoatest]

Talking about the shortened three point line to bash MJ is the most idiotic argument anyone's ever made on this forum. Hey OP, you do realize that the three point line was shorter for EVERYONE, on EVERY TEAM, not just for Jordan, right?

OP is living proof of the failure of our education system.

And the 2020 bubble championship was the biggest asterisk in the history of the NBA.

LMAO

First you mention a 3-point line distance that was damn-near customized for what Jordan's most suitable 3-point range would be compared to other players, then you go on to bash the fairest, most controlled environment championship ever won, where everyone lived in the same conditions, the same climate, had the same days of rest, had the same travel distance, ate the same food and conditions were actually the same "for EVERYONE, on EVERY TEAM".

Objectivity is truly a foreign concept for these Jordan stans :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

You can't shitpost your way to James getting the consensus GOAT status. That has to be earned in the court where James has created a strong argument but isn't quite there. Some of you may recall that Kobe was getting some GOAT push around the time he lead LA to his fifth ring. The perspective of history killed that chatter after a few years and the same thing will and is happening to James.

Being something like the third greatest player ever is certainly nothing to be ashamed of.

[Axe]

You can't shitpost your way to James getting the consensus GOAT status. That has to be earned in the court where James has created a strong argument but isn't quite there. Some of you may recall that Kobe was getting some GOAT push around the time he lead LA to his fifth ring. The perspective of history killed that chatter after a few years and the same thing will and is happening to James.

Being something like the third greatest player ever is certainly nothing to be ashamed of.
:applause:

[Axe]

LMAO

First you mention a 3-point line distance that was damn-near customized for what Jordan's most suitable 3-point range would be compared to other players, then you go on to bash the fairest, most controlled environment championship ever won, where everyone lived in the same conditions, the same climate, had the same days of rest, had the same travel distance, ate the same food and conditions were actually the same "for EVERYONE, on EVERY TEAM".

Objectivity is truly a foreign concept for these Jordan stans :oldlol:
Wow, he really did a good job in exposing that you are op indeed. :(

[kawhileonard2]

Some of Lebron's

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3