Barkley blames AD for the Lakers' troubles

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfHyruVdwg

[Full Court]

AD is the only one playing solid defense. He should blame Lebron for being lazy and only playing hard in spurts and blame DJ and Carmelo for letting the opposition have their way with them on offense.

[PP34Deuce]

If you are an elite player as a big man I agree with what Chuck is saying. Lebrin deserves blame but he's also got a lot of mileage. Davis doesn't have the same motor as he used to. People forget he was a defensive monster in college

[FireDavidKahn]

It's true.

He gave up after LeGOAT dominated the finals.

[HunterSThompson]

lebron hand picking his teammates is the main problem.. then Westbrooks inefficiency... then lebrons unreliability. then lack of shooters and defense because of lebrons poor GM skills

AD needs to make more jumpers but hes not even close to the main problem

[1987_Lakers]

AD is the only one playing solid defense. He should blame Lebron for being lazy and only playing hard in spurts and blame DJ and Carmelo for letting the opposition have their way with them on offense.

AD was supposed to be the one to take over the Lakers once LeBron aged, Bron is about to be 38 and AD has failed miserably so far in taking the reins.

[Johnny32]

he ain't wrong. ad is supposed to be a top 5 player in his prime. dude won one championship and seems content.

[1987_Lakers]

lebron hand picking his teammates is the main problem.. then Westbrooks inefficiency... then lebrons unreliability. then lack of shooters and defense because of lebrons poor GM skills

AD needs to make more jumpers but hes not even close to the main problem

LeBron at this point of his career has nothing to prove, his GM skills beat a 73 win team in the Finals and won him a few more chips along the way.

I agree Westbrook's inefficiency is another reason, I remember watching the 2000 Finals and seeing Kobe almost cost us a championship due to his inefficiency, luckily Shaq bailed us out.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron at this point of his career has nothing to prove, his GM skills beat a 73 win team in the Finals and won him a few more chips along the way.

I agree Westbrook's inefficiency is another reason, I remember watching the 2000 Finals and seeing Kobe almost cost us a championship due to his inefficiency, luckily Shaq bailed us out.
Thankfully that was the last time you'd see Kobe be inefficient in the Finals.

[Johnny32]

Thankfully that was the last time you'd see Kobe be inefficient in the Finals.

lol ha.

[John_Connor]

LeBron at this point of his career has nothing to prove, his GM skills beat a 73 win team in the Finals and won him a few more chips along the way.

I agree Westbrook's inefficiency is another reason, I remember watching the 2000 Finals and seeing Kobe almost cost us a championship due to his inefficiency, luckily Shaq bailed us out.

didn't Hunter put you on ignore. why are you always following him around like a lost puppy


and how did lebrons GM skills get kyrie to Cleveland so he could hit the series winner for lecuck

I will however give him credit for his GM call to Adam silver for that draymond suspension

and I also remember the 2000 finals. the series that shaq loses if kobe doesn't save after Sha fouled out in game 4. the same series that never takes place had kobe not saved game 7 one round earlier.

and every perimeter player shot poorly back then. didn't you see hunters list of players kobe faced in the finals

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

and kobe probably shouldn't even have been playing on one good leg. but he did because he's not lebron who skips 2 months with a sprained ankle

and isn't this just gonna turn into the same back and forth you have with everyone here. is this literally the only thing you know how to talk about. can you please grow as a poster before more of us put you on ignore... STEVE


you schizophrenic Jewish midget

[John_Connor]

Thankfully that was the last time you'd see Kobe be inefficient in the Finals.

5 for 7 seems pretty efficient to me.. 4* for 10.. not so much

[Axe]

Another thread that has turned into a LeSourgrape discussion rofl

[Johnny32]

5 for 7 seems pretty efficient to me.. 4* for 10.. not so much

imagine having such a simple basketball mind.

[1987_Lakers]

Thankfully that was the last time you'd see Kobe be inefficient in the Finals.

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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[SATAN]

I think AD has tried to lead but somewhat struggled. Look at some of his comments and the Dwight incident. Not good. There is no comparison between him and LeBron. It's night and day. AD is still figuring out how to fulfill his destiny but it's not easy with LeBron there, even though LeBron seems to want to help his friend. Maybe for AD it's a confidence thing. Maybe he's lazy. Maybe he's an alcoholic. Maybe he's not very smart. I don't know.

Obviously Russ adds to that situation also, I recall him saying he's there to help LeBron win. It's kind of strange but AD should take advantage while he can.

I don't think AD has played as bad as some people claim, nor as good as others claim.

That being said, I'm not impressed with LeBron jacking up threes at stupid times, although I think he will step up as usual in due time and when he does the team will follow.

They are all to blame to be honest. From the coach to the players. They need to look at their last championship run where they held each other accountable in a positive manner. They are too busy ****ing around instead of aggressively focusing on being the team they should be.

[1987_Lakers]

didn't Hunter put you on ignore. why are you always following him around like a lost puppy


You put me on ignore, yet clicked my thread and posted in it.

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[Hey Yo]

5 for 7 seems pretty efficient to me.. 4* for 10.. not so much

Kobe's 2 for 3 as first option.

4 >>>> 2

[Johnny32]

I think AD has tried to lead but somewhat struggled. Look at some of his comments and the Dwight incident. Not good. There is no comparison between him and LeBron. It's night and day. AD is still figuring out how to fulfill his destiny but it's not easy with LeBron there, even though LeBron seems to want to help his friend. Maybe for AD it's a confidence thing. Maybe he's lazy. Maybe he's an alcoholic. Maybe he's not very smart. I don't know.

Obviously Russ adds to that situation also, I recall him saying he's there to help LeBron win. It's kind of strange but AD should take advantage while he can.

I don't think AD has played as bad as some people claim, nor as good as others claim.

That being said, I'm not impressed with LeBron jacking up threes at stupid times, although I think he will step up as usual in due time and when he does the team will follow.

They are all to blame to be honest. From the coach to the players. They need to look at their last championship run where they held each other accountable in a positive manner. They are too busy ****ing around instead of aggressively focusing on being the team they should be.

lebron is either done or still recovering from that core injury. it's hard to tell which. if he isn't healthy he should not be playing but they're so bad without him i guess he has to.

[John_Connor]

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%

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oh it's this game again. let me take over for hunter since he has you on ignore

lebron vs kobe finals defense:


Kobe:

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's


https://i.redd.it/fkxo4aq7glc61.gif


Lebron

Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )
Terry - 50%
Marion - 48%
Dirk - 42% ( finals MVP )
Durant - 55%
Kawhi - 51% 2013
Diaw - 50%
Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )
Manu - 50%
Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )
Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016
Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017
Iguodala - 53%
Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018
Green - 52% 2018
Iguodala - 58% 2018
Butler - 55%


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who beat lebron, Kobe and Jordan in a tournament setting:

Jordan:

1985 Sidney Moncrief ( 2xDPOTY Hall of famer )
1986 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1987 Larry Bird ( 3xMVP Hall of famer )
1988 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1989 Isiah Thomas ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1990 Joe Dumars ( 1xFMVP Hall of famer )
1995 Shaquille O'neal ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )



Kobe:

1997 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1998 Karl Malone ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
1999 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2003 Tim Duncan ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2004 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2006 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP Hall of famer )
2007 Steve Nash ( 2xMVP hall of famer )
2008 Paul Pierce ( 1xFMVP hall of famer )
2011 Dirk Nowitzki ( 1xMVP hall of famer )
2012 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP hall of famer )



Lebron:

2004 Carlos Arroyo ( 0 NBA accolades )
2004 Sarunas Jasikevicius ( 2 years NBA experience )
2004 Manu Ginobili ( 2 time allstar )
2006 Vassilis Spanoulis ( 1 year NBA experience )
2006 Ben Wallace ( 4xDPOTY Hall of famer )
2007 Tony Parker ( 1xFMVP )
2008 Kevin Garnett ( 1xMVP Hall of famer )
2009 Dwight Howard ( 4xDPOTY )
2010 Rajon Rondo ( 4 time allstar )
2011 Jason Terry ( 1x 6th man of the year )
2014 Kawhi Leonard ( 2x DPOTY )
2015 Andre Iguodala ( 1x allstar )
2017 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2018 Kevin Durant ( 1xMVP )
2021 Devin Booker ( 2x allstar )



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[John_Connor]

You put me on ignore, yet clicked my thread and posted in it.

https://c.tenor.com/KgqQiwFuEjsAAAAM/lmfao-lmao.gif

I dont have you on ignore idiot

[TheGoatest]

One of the few times Barkley is right. After LeGOATest won a chip for him, Davis proceeded never to play hard again, and last playoffs his softness prevented him from playing in the playoffs at all.

[ELITEpower23]

didn't Hunter put you on ignore. why are you always following him around like a lost puppy



It's his thread you dumbshit moron.

[John_Connor]

Kobe's 2 for 3 as first option.

4 >>>> 2

number of asterisks for kobes rings

2000 - sidekick but saved the playoffs twice
2001 - didn't win finals mvp as 1a for almost the entire playoffs
2002 - didn't win finals mvp as 1a half the playoffs
2009 - none
2010 - game 7 was off but owned the 4th


now lebrons asterisks

2012 - colluded big 3, lockout shortened season
2013 - colluded big 4, Ray allen bail out
2016 - colluded big 3, kyrie irvong bail out, draymond suspension
2020 - colluded with davis, Disney bubble, no travel, no fans, 5 month break, no Durant and kyrie due to blm protest



I think kobes rings are worth a lot more. hence players and coaches and lebrons own teammates all ranking kobe above lebron

[1987_Lakers]

lebron vs kobe finals defense:


Kobe:

reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's


https://i.redd.it/fkxo4aq7glc61.gif


Lebron

Parker - 53% ( finals MVP )
Terry - 50%
Marion - 48%
Dirk - 42% ( finals MVP )
Durant - 55%
Kawhi - 51% 2013
Diaw - 50%
Kawhi - 61% 2014 ( finals MVP )
Manu - 50%
Iguodala - 52% ( finals MVP )
Green - 49% ( should be finals MVP. thanks silver ) 2016
Durant - 56% ( finals MVP ) 2017
Iguodala - 53%
Durant - 53% ( finals MVP ) 2018
Green - 52% 2018
Iguodala - 58% 2018
Butler - 55%


This right here is why nobody takes you serious, imagine having such low basketball IQ that you actually think LeBron or Kobe guarded those guys 100% of the time in the Finals. Your arguments are something a toddler would come up with to be honest.

To quote Phil Jackson...

"“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

His own coach said this. lol

[John_Connor]

This right here is why nobody takes you serious, imagine having such low basketball IQ that you actually think LeBron or Kobe guarded those guys 100% of the time in the Finals. Your arguments are something a toddler would come up with to be honest.

To quote Phil Jackson...

"“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

His own coach said this. lol

when it's literally everyone vs literally everyone. disqualifying one or two guys cause you think they weren't matched up the entire time or thinking they should all be disqualified because guys take different assignments sometimes based on substitutions is just like a retard burying his head in the sand

why are you incapable of believing that the nba was just a better more competitive league and players took more pride defensively during kobes era and in lebrons the league actually changed rules that they finally realized were too soft this season and took away that crap

you're literally denying history and fact. the nba was a joke during lebrons era. zero competitiveness. zero pride

like your soul

[1987_Lakers]

number of asterisks for kobes rings

2000 - sidekick, not even a legit 2nd option in the Finals
2001 - Outplayed by Iverson in the Finals
2002 - Shaq still the alpha
2009 - none
2010 - Worst game 7 ever for a superstar player in the Finals


now lebron...

2012 - Beat 3 future NBA MVPs in the Finals, won as the alpha
2013 - MVP & FMVP again, historic 37/12/4 game 7 to close out SA
2016 - His greatest achievement, beat a 73 win team while leading ALL players in points, rebounds, assists, steals, & blocks
2020 - At 35 had a better Finals performance than Kobe could ever muster



I think LeBron's rings are worth a lot more. hence ISH, Realgm, & every media outlet has LeBron ranked ahead of Kobe.

Fixed.

[1987_Lakers]

when it's literally everyone vs literally everyone. disqualifying one or two guys cause you think they weren't matched up the entire time or thinking they should all be disqualified because guys take different assignments sometimes based on substitutions is just like a retard burying his head in the sand

why are you incapable of believing that the nba was just a better more competitive league and players took more pride defensively during kobes era and in lebrons the league actually changed rules that they finally realized were too soft this season and took away that crap

you're literally denying history and fact. the nba was a joke during lebrons era. zero competitiveness. zero pride

like your soul

Kobe won alot of his titles as a sidekick and was beating teams like the Sixers, Nets, & Magic for the chip.

LeBron won ALL his titles as the #1 guy and was beating historic teams like the Durant/Harden/Westbrook Thunder, Spurs, & the 73 win Warriors.

/thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 Sixers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

And keep in mind none of those guys had anybody within the same stratosphere on their team as peak Shaq, they were all the top focus of the defense. And even in his FMVP years, LeBron & Wade both had SIGNIFICANTLY better series against the '09 Magic & '10 Celtics than Kobe did.

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe won alot of his titles as a sidekick and was beating teams like the Sixers, Nets, & Magic for the chip.

LeBron won ALL his titles as the #1 guy and was beating historic teams like the Durant/Harden/Westbrook Thunder, Spurs, & the 73 win Warriors.

/thread.

no no retard jew. Kobe was beating teams like Portland, Sacramento and sanantonio for the chip as #1 option and shaq was winning his hijacked Finals mvps vs those sixer/nets teams and as for the magic. who's to blame for that

[HunterSThompson]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 Sixers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

And keep in mind none of those guys had anybody within the same stratosphere on their team as peak Shaq, they were all the top focus of the defense. And even in his FMVP years, LeBron & Wade both had SIGNIFICANTLY better series against the '09 Magic & '10 Celtics than Kobe did.

already done this. Finals defense was infinitely more intense during kobes era

hence


reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's

[1987_Lakers]

no no retard jew. Kobe was beating teams like Portland, Sacramento and sanantonio for the chip as #1 option and shaq was winning his hijacked Finals mvps vs those sixer/nets teams and as for the magic. who's to blame for that

Kobe: 20 ppg on 44% shooting vs Portland | 42% shooting vs the Kings in '02.

Outplayed by Shaq in both series, you can't re-write history.

[John_Connor]

Kobe: 20 ppg on 44% shooting vs Portland | 42% shooting vs the Kings in '02.

Outplayed by Shaq in both series, you can't re-write history.

why oh why are you skipping 2001 and the 2002 series vs San Antonio

hmmmmm....hmmmmmm

and lol@ nitpicking kobes food poisoning series. lebron wouldn't even have played. he probly calls silver and asks him to postpone the season 5 months

[John_Connor]

isn't it funny how lebron fans have to nitpick how kobe won

for lebron we just make fun of how he lost and that would be good enough. making fun of how he won isn't even really needed cause realistically he never did

[1987_Lakers]

why oh why are you skipping 2001 and the 2002 series vs San Antonio

hmmmmm....hmmmmmm

and lol@ nitpicking kobes food poisoning series. lebron wouldn't even have played. he probly calls silver and asks him to postpone the season 5 months

Nobody is nitpicking, you were the one who said he was as a #1 option vs the Portland and Kings, something that is a flat out lie.

Shame you have to resort to lying to prop up Kobe, that's how you know you have nothing.

[John_Connor]

Nobody is nitpicking, you were the one who said he was as a #1 option vs the Portland and Kings, something that is a flat out lie.

Shame you have to resort to lying to prop up Kobe, that's how you know you have nothing.

you know they played Portland and Sacramento in 2001 right


so sorry kobe only carried shaq past sanantonio a year later

and I thought it was the refs and horry who carried LA vs Sacramento in 2002. why is it now suddenly shaqs doing

[SouBeachTalents]

already done this. Finals defense was infinitely more intense during kobes era

hence


reggies 2000 finals = 41%fgs
M Jackson 2000 finals = 41% fg's
iversons 2001 finals = 40%fgs
snow 2001 finals = 40%fgs
mckie 2001 finals = 31%fg's
bell 2001 finals = 30%fg's
kidds 2002 finals = 43%fg's
Hamilton 2004 finals = 40%fg's
prince 2004 finals = 38%fg's
pierce 2008 finals = 43%fg's ( finals MVP )
Rondo 2008 finals = 37%fg's
Alston 2009 finals = 36%fg's
lee 2009 finals = 37%fg's
reddick 2009 finals = 40%fg's
nelson 2009 finals = 34%fg's
pierce 2010 finals = 43%fg's
ray 2010 finals = 36%fg's
tony allen 2010 finals = 33%fg's
The Pacers & 76ers eastern conference series were all played at a significantly slower pace with far fewer scoring than either of their Finals. So it seems like these guys all scored more points on better efficiency than Kobe did in tougher, lower scoring series. And as I said earlier, none of those guys had anybody in the vicinity of peak Shaq on their team.

[SATAN]

isn't it funny how lebron fans have to nitpick how kobe won

for lebron we just make fun of how he lost and that would be good enough. making fun of how he won isn't even really needed cause realistically he never did

I think you'll find LeBron fans wouldn't bother arguing about Kobe if Kobe stans weren't so bitter and loud about LeBron. Same thing with the MJ stans.

[1987_Lakers]

you know they played Portland and Sacramento in 2001 right

You know they weren't title contenders in 2001 right? 2000 & 2002 were their best teams and Shaq outperformed Kobe in those series.

[John_Connor]

I think you'll find LeBron fans wouldn't bother arguing about Kobe if Kobe stans weren't so bitter and loud about LeBron. Same thing with the MJ stans.


I've literally said lebron is top 6 all time and people still got buthurt. there's no compromise with lebron fans. they're far more butthurt and will say kobes 14th or 17th all time till their death bed

[John_Connor]

You know they weren't title contenders in 2001 right? 2000 & 2002 were their best teams and Shaq outperformed Kobe in those series.

sorry but 50 wins and how dominant they were a year prior plus with this roster

https://i.ibb.co/x5b0ZRk/Screenshot-20211207-224124-Gallery.jpg


they had a great team regardless of their record. the Lakers didn't win many games some years due to injuries and were contenders so give it a rest. stop being a moron


next you're gonna say the 2001 kings and spurs sucked too

what about mvp Duncan in 2002 and his spurs. trash right. no better than the nets I bet

[1987_Lakers]

A 50-32 team is now considered a contender. lol

[John_Connor]

A 50-32 team is now considered a contender. lol

this proves you were never a Laker fan. the 2003 Lakers were 50-32 and came 1 horry shot from probably taking the spurs series and going onto a 4peat

[SouBeachTalents]

A 50-32 team is now considered a contender. lol
That got swept in the first round losing every game by double digits to boot :lol

[John_Connor]

btw I find it funny how 50 wins isn't even a contender to you. considering most of lebrons playoff series victories didn't even come against teams with 50+ wins

in fact he only beat 14 of them to make 10 finals

while Kobe beat 24 or then yo make 7 finald

[John_Connor]

That got swept in the first round losing every game by double digits to boot :lol

so now to discredit kobe we're laughing at how much he dominates a 50 win team

[1987_Lakers]

this proves you were never a Laker fan. the 2003 Lakers were 50-32 and came 1 horry shot from probably taking the spurs series and going onto a 4peat

They won 50 games because Shaq missed some time, in those games he missed we went 5-10. That right there shows you Kobe couldn't carry the load the way a peak LeBron could.

Plus, a team with top level talent like the Lakers were are always dangerous, Portland had talent, but no superstar level player, that recipe has always shown to not be consistent.

[Axe]

But kobe was lucky to have shaq though in his first 8 years in the league. But when him and phil jackson had to depart from hollywood, look what happened. The lakers didn't even managed to win around 40 games in his first year without both of them.

[1987_Lakers]

so now to discredit kobe we're laughing at how much he dominates a 50 win team

The funny thing is Shaq arguably had a better series than Kobe vs the Blazers in 2001 as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

so now to discredit kobe we're laughing at how much he dominates a 50 win team
You can credit Kobe all you want, but calling a 7 seed who got swept in a first round destruction a "contender" is ludicrous. You would literally never argue that if it wasn't a team Kobe beat.

[John_Connor]

But kobe was lucky to have shaq though in his first 8 years in the league. But when him and phil jackson had to depart from hollywood, look what happened. The lakers didn't even managed to win around 40 games in his first year without both of them.

the Lakers were actually doing quite well without Shaq in 2005 before Rudy T stepped down due to health issues and kobe/Odom missed a bunch of games due to injury

its literally the excuse lebron fans use for 2019

LA was 24-19 with tomjanovich


in 2019 the Lakers were 20-14 when lebron went down


oh the hypocrisy

[John_Connor]

You can credit Kobe all you want, but calling a 7 seed who got swept in a first round destruction a "contender" is ludicrous. You would literally never argue that if it wasn't a team Kobe beat.

they had a contending roster. they ran into the greatest playoff team of all time with the greatest combo ever at their apex

of course they got dominated. everyone got dominated by kobe and shaq that year.

did the spurs suck farts too. they got blown away lol

did Sacramento suck c*ck as well? they got steam rolled


jesus christ you guys are absolute mental midgets lol

[John_Connor]

The funny thing is Shaq arguably had a better series than Kobe vs the Blazers in 2001 as well.

its funny how when Shaqs just under Kobe its a 1a/1b thing but when Shaq slightly outperforms Kobe it's a carry job

[1987_Lakers]

jesus christ you guys are absolute mental midgets lol

The irony, you had me blocked because you couldn't handle the truth, definition of a mental midget.

[1987_Lakers]

its funny how when Shaqs just under Kobe its a 1a/1b thing but when Shaq slightly outperforms Kobe it's a carry job

The Finals that year were in no way shape or form a 1a/1b situation, Shaq totally dominated while Kobe shrank from his postseason production that year.

Kobe will always be looked as the inferior player than Shaq during that era and it's best that you accept it instead of throwing a tantrum.

[John_Connor]

The irony, you had me blocked because you couldn't handle the truth, definition of a mental midget.

no hunter blocked you because you said something all time historically retarded like kobe isn't even good enough to lose like lebron

you're lucky I'm giving you the time of day in his absence

and the only reason I'm entertaining your repetitive 15 year same old topic right now is because I exposed you as another Steve alt after you talked about my lips on your corporation alt. I legit thought you were a different person but now I know what you look like you midget jew schizophrenic f*ggot

[1987_Lakers]

no hunter blocked you because you said something all time historically retarded like kobe isn't even good enough to lose like lebron

you're lucky I'm giving you the time of day in his absence

and the only reason I'm entertaining your repetitive 15 year same old topic right now is because I exposed you as another Steve alt after you talked about my lips on your corporation alt. I legit thought you were a different person but now I know what you look like you midget jew schizophrenic f*ggot

First I was this SaintzFury poster, now I'm this Corporation poster. Looks like a case of Paranoid personality disorder. lol.

[kawhileonard2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEdXUcWwS8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhmJ0TDt3U&t

[John_Connor]

First I was this SaintzFury poster, now I'm this Corporation poster. Looks like a case of Paranoid personality disorder. lol.

this place is a joke Steve. there's too many similar regulars. all with the same agendas and talking points. all focusing on the same shit with the same poster. and your 8ball/pip'nrodman and corporation alts also seem to go silent when your lakers1987 alt gets going. odd

also odd that all are obsessed with me and my personal life and my lips

[John_Connor]

and literally nobody would say "this corporation poster" when referring to Steve's main alt lmao

like how kobe would say "this griff guy".. its obvious he knew who people were talking about

[1987_Lakers]

this place is a joke Steve. there's too many similar regulars. all with the same agendas and talking points. all focusing on the same shit with the same poster. and your 8ball/pip'nrodman and corporation alts also seem to go silent when your lakers1987 alt gets going. odd

also odd that all are obsessed with me and my personal life and my lips

Dude, you are accusing me of having an alt while currently using an alt to respond to me because you are too scared to admit you unblocked me.

https://c.tenor.com/E6aL4cqEdmwAAAAM/michael-jordan-lol.gif

[John_Connor]

Dude, you are accusing me of having an alt while currently using an alt to respond to me because you are too scared to admit you unblocked me.

https://c.tenor.com/E6aL4cqEdmwAAAAM/michael-jordan-lol.gif

I didn't block you. hunter did

are you retarded or something

I'm John Connor

[1987_Lakers]

I didn't block you. hunter did

are you retarded or something

Ok Kenny.

[Axe]

this place is a joke Steve. there's too many similar regulars. all with the same agendas and talking points. all focusing on the same shit with the same poster. and your 8ball/pip'nrodman and corporation alts also seem to go silent when your lakers1987 alt gets going. odd

also odd that all are obsessed with me and my personal life and my lips
So it's steve's fault again huh? Lmao he seems to rent free inside of you.

[SouBeachTalents]

they had a contending roster. they ran into the greatest playoff team of all time with the greatest combo ever at their apex

of course they got dominated. everyone got dominated by kobe and shaq that year.

did the spurs suck farts too. they got blown away lol

did Sacramento suck c*ck as well? they got steam rolled


jesus christ you guys are absolute mental midgets lol
Were those in the first round you fcking doofus :oldlol: Contenders can get swept, but no contender has ever gotten swept in the first round.

[John_Connor]

Ok Kenny.



oh yeah and sorry again about my thin lips. I know they don't suit you cause you want full pouty ones on your chopped jew d*ck. but it doesn't matter anyway cause I'm not gay

https://i.ibb.co/6XqsF5Z/Screenshot-20211207-234419-Gallery.jpg

[Pip' N Rodman]

oh yeah and sorry again about my thin lips. I know they don't suit you cause you want full pouty ones on your chopped jew d*ck. but it doesn't matter anyway cause I'm not gay

https://i.ibb.co/r0fn1WB/Screenshot-20211207-234012-Free-*********-Browser.jpg

How many alts have you made since I joined this place in May

[John_Connor]

Were those in the first round you fcking doofus :oldlol: Contenders can get swept, but no contender has ever gotten swept in the first round.

back then the first round was best of 5. I think with that format a ton of great teams got swept in the first round throughout history. at least one every 5 years probly

but like I said everyone was getting swept by LA that year and if it wasn't for the long break before the finals ruining their rhythm they sweep all 4 rounds

[HoopsNY]

LeBron at this point of his career has nothing to prove, his GM skills beat a 73 win team in the Finals and won him a few more chips along the way.

I agree Westbrook's inefficiency is another reason, I remember watching the 2000 Finals and seeing Kobe almost cost us a championship due to his inefficiency, luckily Shaq bailed us out.

What does Kobe's 2000 performance have anything to do with the Lakers' woes this season? It's very odd how Lakers fans are suddenly very anti-Kobe and pro-LeBron. Never met a Lakers fan that hated Kobe as much as some of them do now, all in an effort to prop up LeBron.

In any case, the Lakers were never in danger of losing the 2000 finals due to Kobe's inefficiency. The series got to 3-2 and was taken back to L.A., but no one seriously thought the Lakers were gonna lose.

I also find it a bit disingenuous how Kobe's 2000 performance is always emphasized by LeBron fans (who are ironically Lakers fans, too?), but LeBron's 2007 finals gets ignored completely. The excuse is always, "LeBron was only 22," so what would that make Kobe at the age of 21? Added to the fact that Kobe got hurt during the series, while LeBron was fully healthy in '07. These just appear to be glaring inconsistencies to me.

[SouBeachTalents]

What does Kobe's 2000 performance have anything to do with the Lakers' woes this season? It's very odd how Lakers fans are suddenly very anti-Kobe and pro-LeBron. Never met a Lakers fan that hated Kobe as much as some of them do now, all in an effort to prop up LeBron.

In any case, the Lakers were never in danger of losing the 2000 finals due to Kobe's inefficiency. The series got to 3-2 and was taken back to L.A., but no one seriously thought the Lakers were gonna lose.

I also find it a bit disingenuous how Kobe's 2000 performance is always emphasized by LeBron fans (who are ironically Lakers fans, too?), but LeBron's 2007 finals gets ignored completely. The excuse is always, "LeBron was only 22," so what would that make Kobe at the age of 21? Added to the fact that Kobe got hurt during the series, while LeBron was fully healthy in '07. These just appear to be glaring inconsistencies to me.
You’re comparing apples and oranges. LeBron was the first option on one of the worst Finals teams ever, Kobe was the 2nd option behind peak Shaq. The ‘07 Spurs were also clearly a more talented team than the Pacers, with championship experience to boot. That doesn’t excuse LeBron’s performance, he was absolutely dreadful, but he and Kobe were in vastly different circumstances in your comparison.

The disingenuous part is Kobe fans bragging about 5 rangs while ignoring the fact he got outscored 38-16 in the Finals in the first one.

[Johnny32]

What does Kobe's 2000 performance have anything to do with the Lakers' woes this season? It's very odd how Lakers fans are suddenly very anti-Kobe and pro-LeBron. Never met a Lakers fan that hated Kobe as much as some of them do now, all in an effort to prop up LeBron.

In any case, the Lakers were never in danger of losing the 2000 finals due to Kobe's inefficiency. The series got to 3-2 and was taken back to L.A., but no one seriously thought the Lakers were gonna lose.

I also find it a bit disingenuous how Kobe's 2000 performance is always emphasized by LeBron fans (who are ironically Lakers fans, too?), but LeBron's 2007 finals gets ignored completely. The excuse is always, "LeBron was only 22," so what would that make Kobe at the age of 21? Added to the fact that Kobe got hurt during the series, while LeBron was fully healthy in '07. These just appear to be glaring inconsistencies to me.

lol slightly different situations. the lakers won a championship in spite of kobe's terribly inefficient series and everyone counts that ring among his 5. the cavs had no business even making the finals with that roster yet everyone tries to hold it against lebron when hurrr, durrring over his finals record. so in the end...one gets credit for playing terrible, the other gets criticism for taking a team further than they should have gone.

[HunterSThompson]

What does Kobe's 2000 performance have anything to do with the Lakers' woes this season? It's very odd how Lakers fans are suddenly very anti-Kobe and pro-LeBron. Never met a Lakers fan that hated Kobe as much as some of them do now, all in an effort to prop up LeBron.

In any case, the Lakers were never in danger of losing the 2000 finals due to Kobe's inefficiency. The series got to 3-2 and was taken back to L.A., but no one seriously thought the Lakers were gonna lose.

I also find it a bit disingenuous how Kobe's 2000 performance is always emphasized by LeBron fans (who are ironically Lakers fans, too?), but LeBron's 2007 finals gets ignored completely. The excuse is always, "LeBron was only 22," so what would that make Kobe at the age of 21? Added to the fact that Kobe got hurt during the series, while LeBron was fully healthy in '07. These just appear to be glaring inconsistencies to me.

its Steve. he hates kobe with a passion and it shows through all of his alts here

its impossible for there to be this many life long obsessed bran Stan kobe haters that are also short and also Jewish and also around 30 years old like lakers1987 and 8ball and corporation and pip'n'rodman and all these before them

https://i.ibb.co/Y7cWhZy/Screenshot-20211208-082137-Gallery.jpg




this guys sick. he has no life whatsoever and has been spending 24 hours a day on this board for 15 years. he's a board administrator and Jeff's right hand man. he's actually paid to boost traffic.

other people have alts but I've never seen anyone go all out for so long trying to hide it. like with the corporation/dubeta type ones he just spams dumb stuff. but then he has the lakers1987 to expose what he looks like. but he gave himself away cause he's a closet homosexual obsessed with me and my pics and how thin my lips are apparently
y. he might be in love with me. that's why he only bans me but still leaves the registration open. and he always knows what my alts are right away and asks how I'm doing in ottawa lol. this guy needs to be arrested

[HoopsNY]

You’re comparing apples and oranges. LeBron was the first option on one of the worst Finals teams ever, Kobe was the 2nd option behind peak Shaq. The ‘07 Spurs were also clearly a more talented team than the Pacers, with championship experience to boot. That doesn’t excuse LeBron’s performance, he was absolutely dreadful, but he and Kobe were in vastly different circumstances in your comparison.

The disingenuous part is Kobe fans bragging about 5 rangs while ignoring the fact he got outscored 38-16 in the Finals in the first one.

I don't deny any of the above. The problem is that shouldn't give LeBron a free pass at what was, arguably, the worst finals performance for a top 10 player ever. Not to mention that the final 2 games were decided by a total of 4 points. But then again, like I mentioned before, he was 22. The expectations are too high for a player that young. Granted, Kobe should get the same benefit of the doubt, too.

[HoopsNY]

lol slightly different situations. the lakers won a championship in spite of kobe's terribly inefficient series and everyone counts that ring among his 5. the cavs had no business even making the finals with that roster yet everyone tries to hold it against lebron when hurrr, durrring over his finals record. so in the end...one gets credit for playing terrible, the other gets criticism for taking a team further than they should have gone.

I'm not talking about wins and losses here. I'm simply talking about efficiency and overall performance. It doesn't matter to me who won or lost. The performances were inexcusable (to an extent) on both of their parts.

[HoopsNY]

its Steve. he hates kobe with a passion and it shows through all of his alts here

its impossible for there to be this many life long obsessed bran Stan kobe haters that are also short and also Jewish and also around 30 years old like lakers1987 and 8ball and corporation and pip'n'rodman and all these before them

https://i.ibb.co/Y7cWhZy/Screenshot-20211208-082137-Gallery.jpg




this guys sick. he has no life whatsoever and has been spending 24 hours a day on this board for 15 years. he's a board administrator and Jeff's right hand man. he's actually paid to boost traffic.

other people have alts but I've never seen anyone go all out for so long trying to hide it. like with the corporation/dubeta type ones he just spams dumb stuff. but then he has the lakers1987 to expose what he looks like. but he gave himself away cause he's a closet homosexual obsessed with me and my pics and how thin my lips are apparently
y. he might be in love with me. that's why he only bans me but still leaves the registration open. and he always knows what my alts are right away and asks how I'm doing in ottawa lol. this guy needs to be arrested

Erm, okay? I'm not on this forum for this level of drama. Hope you're wrong but maybe you're right. The behaviors on this forum reminds me of my 7th grade class....and that was like, nearly 25 years ago. I shiver to think if these guys are older than 18.

[Johnny32]

I'm not talking about wins and losses here. I'm simply talking about efficiency and overall performance. It doesn't matter to me who won or lost. The performances were inexcusable (to an extent) on both of their parts.

and one of them gets credit for a championship with that performance and the other gets it on his hurrr, 4-6, durrr finals record. you wanted to know why lebron fans bring up 2000...that's why.

[HoopsNY]

and one of them gets credit for a championship with that performance and the other gets it on his hurrr, 4-6, durrr finals record. you wanted to know why lebron fans bring up 2000...that's why.

It just sounds like a tit for tat, while drawing excuses for one and not the other. The difference here is the Lakers were expected to win, the Cavs weren't. But both their performances were inexcusable.

However, one camp likes to highlight the age and lack of team support, which is fair, while pointing to the other camp citing team support, but disregarding age. All of this is done in an effort to discuss ring totals, but obfuscates the performance aspect, which isn't fair, since the age of both players should be accounted for to some degree.

[Wally450]

Damn, I didn't realize AD was shooting 19% from 3. At some point you have to say to yourself, I shouldn't be shooting this much from out here. Get your ass in the post like Shaq said.

[HoopsNY]

Damn, I didn't realize AD was shooting 19% from 3. At some point you have to say to yourself, I shouldn't be shooting this much from out here. Get your ass in the post like Shaq said.

Yea, at the same time, he's only attempting 2 per game, the lowest he's attempted in like five years. Still a lot of games left to play. I doubt he remains at 19% for the rest of the season.

[Gohan]

Iverson was trapped on every play in 2001 finals and still shot 41 percent. Thats my goat

[Hey Yo]

its Steve. he hates kobe with a passion and it shows through all of his alts here

its impossible for there to be this many life long obsessed bran Stan kobe haters that are also short and also Jewish and also around 30 years old like lakers1987 and 8ball and corporation and pip'n'rodman and all these before them

https://i.ibb.co/Y7cWhZy/Screenshot-20211208-082137-Gallery.jpg




this guys sick. he has no life whatsoever and has been spending 24 hours a day on this board for 15 years. he's a board administrator and Jeff's right hand man. he's actually paid to boost traffic.

other people have alts but I've never seen anyone go all out for so long trying to hide it. like with the corporation/dubeta type ones he just spams dumb stuff. but then he has the lakers1987 to expose what he looks like. but he gave himself away cause he's a closet homosexual obsessed with me and my pics and how thin my lips are apparently
y. he might be in love with me. that's why he only bans me but still leaves the registration open. and he always knows what my alts are right away and asks how I'm doing in ottawa lol. this guy needs to be arrested

Why not just start a 'Kobe fans only' board?

Problem solved, chico.