Greatest floor raise of all time?

[GrayGoat]

2016 LeBron took 5ppg Dahntay Jones and more than doubled his output to 13ppg :biggums:

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Playoffs: kawhi with role player Lowry and g league player siakam

Regular season: any rockets harden season before Chris Paul came

[RRR3]

LeBron James.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Duncan maybe? I'd not say Hakeem since he wasnt as good at passing. MJ also can be a one man team in the offense but he is a guard so he can't be a defensive anchor. Lebron is a good choice tbh floor raising is his best quality. He is not the kind of player that makes good teams great but he can make any team good. Dirk was a great offensive engine that pulled bigs outside and cleared the path for others but defensively he wasn't great. Curry is more of a player that makes good teams great. So yeah either Duncan or Lebron. However if i was going to draft any player it is Duncan easily.

[mr4speed]

2016 LeBron took 5ppg Dahntay Jones and more than doubled his output to 13ppg :biggums:
I have to throw Bird into this discussion. As a rookie, with almost the same roster, Boston went from 29 wins to 61 wins = the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history and there were no new teams added to dilute the talent pool. Then the next year with Parrish and McHale, Boston won it all. When Boston got a "washed-up" and old first round pick in Walton, the 86 Celtic team became one of the best teams ever assembled. To review Bird's first 9 seasons ( before the heel surgery and back issues) in games he played in, Boston won 534 games and lost 177 of the 711 games played for a win % of 75.1%. That win % is higher than Magic's win % for the same 9 year period. And Boston was playing in the much stronger Eastern conference. It takes a great team to win games, but Bird was a multi-dimensional player who could fill gaps and did inspire his teammates. Anyone who needs further proof should look at what Bird did while at Indiana State.

[Johnny32]

legoat and it isn't close.

[Gohan]

legoat and it isn't close.

Got to go with iverson on this one

[Baller789]

legoat and it isn't close.
Duncan who doesn't miss playoffs and made Popovich says hi.

[Johnny32]

Lebron is a good choice tbh floor raising is his best quality. He is not the kind of player that makes good teams great but he can make any team good.

lol disagree. lebron on the 2017 gsw instead of kd would have been the biggest cheat code in the history of sports. they seriously might have gone 98-0.

[Baller789]

lol disagree. lebron on the 2017 gsw instead of kd would have been the biggest cheat code in the history of sports. they seriously might have gone 98-0.

Eh no, hence 4/10

[iamgine]

I have to throw Bird into this discussion. As a rookie, with almost the same roster, Boston went from 29 wins to 61 wins = the biggest single season turnaround in NBA history and there were no new teams added to dilute the talent pool. Then the next year with Parrish and McHale, Boston won it all. When Boston got a "washed-up" and old first round pick in Walton, the 86 Celtic team became one of the best teams ever assembled. To review Bird's first 9 seasons ( before the heel surgery and back issues) in games he played in, Boston won 534 games and lost 177 of the 711 games played for a win % of 75.1%. That win % is higher than Magic's win % for the same 9 year period. And Boston was playing in the much stronger Eastern conference. It takes a great team to win games, but Bird was a multi-dimensional player who could fill gaps and did inspire his teammates. Anyone who needs further proof should look at what Bird did while at Indiana State.
There were a lot more nuance than that to that turnaround. Tiny Archibald returned to form after a devastating injury. Signing of a very good role player in ML Carr. Getting an actual coach in Bill Fitch.

Of course rookie Bird was the biggest factor to the turnaround but that team if fully healthy and had a real coach was more of a 49 win team, not 29.

[mr4speed]

There were a lot more nuance than that to that turnaround. Tiny Archibald returned to form after a devastating injury. Signing of a very good role player in ML Carr. Getting an actual coach in Bill Fitch.

Of course rookie Bird was the biggest factor to the turnaround but that team if fully healthy and had a real coach was more of a 49 win team, not 29.

I did not follow Boston the year before Bird played so I am curious how did Tiny play? Did it take him a whole season to come around? I know he missed the entire season the year before, but he played in 69 games the season Boston won only 29 games. Was Tiny a starter? I am having a hard time seeing that squad win 20 more games and winning 49 games.

[ELITEpower23]

After LeBron?

Probably Pippen for dragging a dead weight, 1-9 career loser to 6 Finals.

[kawhileonard2]

MJ as he turned a role player in Scottie Pippen who came off the bench into a star. Name someone else who did that?

[iamgine]

I did not follow Boston the year before Bird played so I am curious how did Tiny play? Did it take him a whole season to come around? I know he missed the entire season the year before, but he played in 69 games the season Boston won only 29 games. Was Tiny a starter? I am having a hard time seeing that squad win 20 more games and winning 49 games.

Well his injury was brutal. He averaged only 24 minutes, was way overweight, and had feuds with the coach.

Basically turned from like bench player Cory Joseph level into all star Kyle Lowry level the next season.

[ImKobe]

Kobe

'06 and '07 Lakers are worse than any team Lebron's ever played on. '08 Lakers were almost as bad too with the Bynum injury but they were sitting at 30 - 16 before Gasol played a game. He also single-handedly carried a decimated 2013 Lakers squad back into Playoff contention in his 17th season with Gasol, Nash, Blake etc missing 30+ games with a D-league bench.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.

[Pip' N Rodman]

Kobe

'06 and '07 Lakers are worse than any team Lebron's ever played on. '08 Lakers were almost as bad too with the Bynum injury but they were sitting at 30 - 16 before Gasol played a game. He also single-handedly carried a decimated 2013 Lakers squad back into Playoff contention in his 17th season with Gasol, Nash, Blake etc missing 30+ games with a D-league bench.

Kobe missed the playoffs with these Lakers...

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe missed the playoffs with these Lakers...

Lebron missed with peak Shaq, Duncan winning bronze medals and losing in round 2.

[3ba11]

LeBron James.


Real evidence that Jordan is a vastly superior floor-raiser:



* 89' Jordan carried a low seed over the #1 SRS Cavs, who were vastly superior to the 07' Pistons or 18' Celtics (#7 SRS) that Lebron beat with top seeds.

* Jordan only lost with low seeds to the #1 SRS Bucks, the dynasty Celtics/Pistons and the Shaq/Penny Magic, so Jordan would've won every year if he was a high seed against the 18' Celtics (#7 SRS) or the 07' Pistons (#6 SRS).

* Lebron failed to carry lottery casts (teams that were lottery the prior year) to low playoffs seeds in 04', 05' and 19' - so he never had to carry his worst teams in the playoffs and only had high seeds/good teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan had rookie low seed in a conference that required a super-team to win

* The 90' Bulls were inferior on both sides of the ball to the 09' Cavs (league favorite), yet Jordan beat Lebron to titles by winning the next year in 91', while Lebron lost in 10' despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite.

* Lebron's ball-dominant skillset reduces teammates to spot-up roles, while Jordan's scoring was partially off-ball and assisted, which elevates teammate role and allows fellow ball-handlers like Ingram, Hughes or Pippen to develop..


The 2000's East is the only conference in history that was won by multiple 1-star teams like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd, who matched Lebron's 2007 run..

And Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018 and veteran, championship cast - not a "floor-raising" situation.

[ImKobe]

Kobe missed the playoffs with these Lakers...

They were in the Playoffs after the Warriors game so you're wrong.

[coastalmarker99]

In 1963 in which he was arguably saddled with the worst roster in NBA history, Wilt led the NBA in 15 of 22 statistical categories...including leading the league in scoring, rebounding, and setting a then-record FG% mark.

Keep that achievement in mind...as I will be bringing it up again.

Despite his individual brilliance, that team went 31-49 (losing a ton of close games BTW.)

How bad was that roster? Chamberlain shot .52.8...and his teammates collectively shot .41.2.

Plus no one even cracked 15 in PER, so he didn't have a single average teammate.



Even more importantly, the very next season, his new coach, Alex Hannum, conducted a pre-season scrimmage, without Wilt, with that roster going up against draft picks and undrafted players. Guess which team won the game?




I believe it was Hannum who commented on Chamberlain's incredible 1964 season, where he took one of the worst rosters in NBA history, to the Finals..."He has to play like Russell on the defensive end, and like Wilt on the offensive end."



The facts prove up his statement as no other all-time great has had a weaker supporting cast around him in the playoffs than 1964 Wilt.

The Warriors finished 3rd in SRS with a rookie Nate Thurmond and players like Wayne Hightower, Tom Meschery, and Guy Rodgers leading in shots.

Wilt had a .325 WS/48 in the regular season (3rd all-time), and his .323 WS/48 playoff run is 4th all-time in the Shot Clock Era.

In the WDF, with his team playing poorly, Wilt put up 38.6 PPG on a +7.8 rTS%.



In the Finals, he finished with 29.2 PPG on a +2.4 rTS% against the greatest defence of all time.

Only one other player (Tom Meschery) shot above 35 FG% in that series.

[TheGoatest]

2007 Cavs
2015 Playoff Cavs
2018 Cavs

The three worst supporting casts ever to be dragged to the finals by a single player

Made Mo Williams into an all-star as soon as he started playing with him. Playing with LeGOATest was like playing on the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls (2 x first time all-stars, 7 players averaged career highs in ppg) every season.

[Baller789]

2007 Cavs
2015 Playoff Cavs
2018 Cavs

The three worst supporting casts ever to be dragged to the finals by a single player

Made Mo Williams into an all-star as soon as he started playing with him. Playing with LeGOATest was like playing on the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls (2 x first time all-stars, 7 players averaged career highs in ppg) every season.

Weak competition.

[TheGoatest]

Weak competition.

Yes, we all know about the 90s.

[Baller789]

Yes, we all know about the 90s.

Yes. And Bron's conference is even weaker. :lol

[TheGoatest]

Yes. And Bron's conference is even weaker. :lol

He won his first healthy year in the west, being 6 months older than Jordan was in 1998.

Meanwhile in the 90s both east AND west were shit.

[Baller789]

He won his first healthy year in the west, being 6 months older than Jordan was in 1998.

Meanwhile in the 90s both east AND west were shit.

Sure, his competition was so tough Roy Hibbert gave him fits.

[TheGoatest]

Sure, his competition was so tough Roy Hibbert gave him fits.

You're just going to mention players who weren't the best players of the teams LeBron faced? Do you want me to say that Jordan got beaten by Bill Laimbeer thrice?

[Baller789]

You're just going to mention players who weren't the best players of the teams LeBron faced? Do you want me to say that Jordan got beaten by Bill Laimbeer thrice?

Better be beaten by Bill Laimbeer than Roy f*ck!ng Hibbert :lol.

What's even funnier is that somehow, someway Jordan gets dragged to conversations by Bran stans. How insecure is that. :roll:

[TheGoatest]

Better be beaten by Bill Laimbeer than Roy f*ck!ng Hibbert :lol.

What's even funnier is that somehow, someway Jordan gets dragged to conversations by Bran stans. How insecure is that. :roll:

Well, for one Roy Hibbert didn't beat LeBron once, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand beat Jordan...

https://prosportstickers.219signs.com/image/cache/catalog/product/simpsons_mr_burns_not_once_twice_thrice_sticker__4 5779-500x500.jpg

[Baller789]

Well, for one Roy Hibbert didn't beat LeBron once, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand beat Jordan...

https://prosportstickers.219signs.com/image/cache/catalog/product/simpsons_mr_burns_not_once_twice_thrice_sticker__4 5779-500x500.jpg

No problem. I can give you that.

Still wondering why Mr. 1-9 got dragged into this.
It's as if you can't defend your hero without dragging Jordan along.

Talk about chasing a ghost. :lol

Still you haven't defended the weak LEASTERN Conference. :lol

[Baller789]

Well, for one Roy Hibbert didn't beat LeBron once, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand beat Jordan...

https://prosportstickers.219signs.com/image/cache/catalog/product/simpsons_mr_burns_not_once_twice_thrice_sticker__4 5779-500x500.jpg


No problem. I can give you that.

Still wondering why Mr. 1-9 got dragged into this.
It's as if you can't defend your hero without dragging Jordan along.

Talk about chasing a ghost. :lol

Still you haven't defended the weak LEASTERN Conference. :lol

Hey b!tch boi, why you run to other threads like little b!tch? :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

lebron won two games vs the gsw in the nba finals with timofey mozgov as his second option. what's crazy is if he wasn't battling a bad back and had his jumper they probably win the series.

[TheCorporation]

Scottie Pippen transformed a 1-9 career failure to 6 Finals...

[Baller789]

lebron won two games vs the gsw in the nba finals with timofey mozgov as his second option. what's crazy is if he wasn't battling a bad back and had his jumper they probably win the series.


Scottie Pippen transformed a 1-9 career failure to 6 Finals...

Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs in 19 years.
Wonder how many Finals he would have reached if he played in the LEASTern Conference.
:lol

[HylianNightmare]

I hate LeBron but it's LeBron

[Gudo]

I remember when Lebron intentionally missed his shot so that Ray Allen could take it n the clutch. Gave Bosh and Allen a boost in their careers.

[Johnny32]

I remember when Lebron intentionally missed his shot so that Ray Allen could take it n the clutch. Gave Bosh and Allen a boost in their careers.

i rem duh spurs leading by 10 to start the 4th qtr. then lebron scored 16 points and assisted on 6 more to put mia in a position to win the gm. BuT OmG a sHoOtEr MaDe A sHoT. kind of like paxson and kerr, durrr.

[TheCorporation]

I remember when Lebron intentionally missed his shot so that Ray Allen could take it n the clutch. Gave Bosh and Allen a boost in their careers.

And who could forget LeBron's legendary series closing game 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals

Game 6
32/10/11/3

Game 7
37/12/4/2

He averaged 35/11/8/3 in GM6 and 7 to close out the Spurs

[outofstomach]

Well, for one Roy Hibbert didn't beat LeBron once, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Bill Laimbeer on the other hand beat Jordan...

https://prosportstickers.219signs.com/image/cache/catalog/product/simpsons_mr_burns_not_once_twice_thrice_sticker__4 5779-500x500.jpg
in the finals?

[outofstomach]

Tim Duncan never missed the playoffs in 19 years.
Wonder how many Finals he would have reached if he played in the LEASTern Conference.
:lol:lol

[TheGoatest]

And who could forget LeBron's legendary series closing game 6 and 7 of the 2013 Finals

Game 6
32/10/11/3

Game 7
37/12/4/2

He averaged 35/11/8/3 in GM6 and 7 to close out the Spurs

And who could forget Jordan's legendary 5-19 closing game from the 1996 finals? Well, Jordan stans would sure like you to. :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

No problem. I can give you that.

Still wondering why Mr. 1-9 got dragged into this.
It's as if you can't defend your hero without dragging Jordan along.

Talk about chasing a ghost. :lol

Still you haven't defended the weak LEASTERN Conference. :lol

I don't have to defend the eastern conference because LeBron still beat the western conference champions in a 7 game series...

https://prosportstickers.219signs.com/image/cache/catalog/product/simpsons_mr_burns_not_once_twice_thrice_sticker__4 5779-500x500.jpg

Meanwhile Jordan faced nothing but shit teams (when compared to other historically great teams), whether those teams were in the east OR west.

And who exactly are you arguing in favor of being greater than LeBron, if not Jordan?
Kobe? :roll:
Why are you arguing against LeBron, exactly? If you don't think LeBron is the GOAT, then you must have another player who is. Or do are you a cynic who thinks every player ever and everything is shit?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF9JmtGZa0

[La Frescobaldi]

I did not follow Boston the year before Bird played so I am curious how did Tiny play? Did it take him a whole season to come around? I know he missed the entire season the year before, but he played in 69 games the season Boston won only 29 games. Was Tiny a starter? I am having a hard time seeing that squad win 20 more games and winning 49 games.

Tiny always had problems with Achilles’ tendon. If I recall correctly even in college he was injury prone.
but he tore it bad in ‘73 or ‘74 and then later - so everybody thought - it just fully ended his career in ‘77-78 which he was DNP that year.

He was on the Nets which was ABA (Phil Jackson was winding down his playing days also on the Nets but I think he was even further down the bench than he was on the Knicks and he just looked bad on a trash team) so basically Tiny was… disappeared… since ABA pretty much sucked compared to the NBA except for a few big stars. Which he had been definitely a star, but always injured and only had two or three complete seasons and here he was out for the year.

But either the year off did it, or new doctors, or something, because he came out of it just great but Celtics kept him very strictly limited minutes that first year , which had to be hard to do for everybody involved. But then again Boston had him as a floor general not that slashing, fiery young G who had to be double teamed or else.

[Stephonit]

The guy who led the championship team with the longest championship odds at the beginning of the season and who led the previous year's last place sub-20 win team to a 54% win rate the following season and who is currently leading a team to the league's best record with a second scoring option who was a G-Leaguer last year.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

The guy who led the championship team with the longest championship odds at the beginning of the season and who led the previous year's last place sub-20 win team to a 54% win rate the following season and who is currently leading a team to the league's best record with a second scoring option who was a G-Leaguer last year.

I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.

[Baller789]

I don't have to defend the eastern conference
Of course you won't, because you can't :applause:


No because LeBron still beat the western conference champions in a 7 game series...

Did he beat them most of the time? Cause if he didn't... See above.


Meanwhile Jordan faced nothing but shit teams (when compared to other historically great teams), whether those teams were in the east OR west.conference

It's pretty obvious you can't even properly defend your hero without mentioning Mike, pathetic.


And who exactly are you arguing in favor of being greater than LeBron, if not Jordan?
Kobe? :roll:
Why are you arguing against LeBron, exactly? If you don't think LeBron is the GOAT, then you must have another player who is. Or do are you a cynic who thinks every player ever and everything is shit?


If you look closely at this thread, my answer was Tim Duncan. But you seem to have Jordan stuck so far up your @$$ you don't even notice it. :roll:

[SATAN]

I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.

And he averaged 20ppg in the finals. How trash was the competition?

[3ba11]

.
1-star teams that made Finals:


80's

None


90's

94' Knicks
94' Rockets


00's

00' Pacers
01' Sixers
02' Nets
03' Nets
07' Cavs
09' Magic


10's

11' Mavs
19' Raptors
20' Heat
21' Bucks


TLDR: 00's East was trash because 1-star teams rountinely won it, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in


How many players carried a low seed over a #1 SRS team?

I can only think of 1 guy.

[HunterSThompson]

kobe got kwame and smush as starters to the playoffs

then took a team with jordan farmer, Sasha bujacic, Luke Walton, dj mbenga, shanon brown, Adam Morrison, crackhead odumb and gasol to a near 3peat

[Johnny32]

lol @ counting 2018 love as a star but not siakam or middleton.

love - 15 ppg on 39% in the postseason
siakam - 19 ppg on 47% in the postseason
middleton - 24 ppg on 44% in the postseason

[kawhileonard2]

.
1-star teams that made Finals:


80's

None


90's

94' Knicks
94' Rockets


00's

00' Pacers
01' Sixers
02' Nets
03' Nets
07' Cavs
09' Magic


10's

11' Mavs
19' Raptors
20' Heat
21' Bucks


TLDR: 00's East was trash because 1-star teams rountinely won it, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in


How many players carried a low seed over a #1 SRS team?

I can only think of 1 guy.

Good post!

[Shooter]

After LeBron?

Probably Pippen for dragging a dead weight, 1-9 career loser to 6 Finals.

SHUT it DOWN :lol

[kawhileonard2]

SHUT it DOWN :lol

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

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[Manny98]

LeBron easily

07-10 Cavs
2018 Cavs

None of those teams had any business making the finals and winning 60+ games in the regular season

[TheGoatest]

LeBron easily

07-10 Cavs
2018 Cavs

None of those teams had any business making the finals and winning 60+ games in the regular season

Don't forget the incredible 2015 run with the Cavs:

- Love injured in the first round and out for the remainder of the playoffs
- J.R. Smith suspended for the first two games of the 2nd round
- Sweeping the 60-win Hawks with Kyrie missing 2 games of the series and playing 24.6 minutes per game in the other two.
- Somehow winning 2 games against 100% healthy 67-win Warriors without Kyrie, Love and with Matthew Dellavedova being his #2 scoring option

And then there's the 2013 championship, which he won with his #2 scorer averaging 15.9 ppg in the playoffs.

[Stephonit]

I'm not impressed until you win a championship with him. Kawhi won a championship with Siakam who was in the g league 2 years prior.

Done.

[SATAN]

Steve Kerr.

[colts19]

There were a lot more nuance than that to that turnaround. Tiny Archibald returned to form after a devastating injury. Signing of a very good role player in ML Carr. Getting an actual coach in Bill Fitch.

Of course rookie Bird was the biggest factor to the turnaround but that team if fully healthy and had a real coach was more of a 49 win team, not 29.

I wouldn't call returning Tiny returning to form as his prime he avg 34 pts and 11 assist, in 1980 he avg 14 pts and 8 assist.

[3ba11]

Ball-dominators can't beat good teams while carrying the scoring load because they lack sufficient brand of ball at high scoring levels and therefore need all-time scorers at sidekick like Kareem, Wade, AD or Kyrie

Otoh, off-ball players like Curry or MJ maintain good brand at high scoring burdens, so they can beat good teams while carrying the scoring load and can win with secondary scorers at sidekick like Wiggins or Pippen.