View Full Version : Wait.. does Jordan' '96 and '98 Finals help or HURT his GOAT case?
Pip' N Rodman
12-09-2021, 12:17 AM
Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..
1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%
Last 3 games:
- 23 points 6/19 shooting
- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist
- 22 point 5/19 shooting
1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG
Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP
Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)
IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)
Discuss :confusedshrug:
kawhileonard2
12-09-2021, 12:18 AM
Here is the discussion
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher
Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2
Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED
Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.
Pip' N Rodman
12-09-2021, 01:09 AM
:pimp:
Bawkish
12-09-2021, 01:12 AM
Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..
1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%
Last 3 games:
- 23 points 6/19 shooting
- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist
- 22 point 5/19 shooting
1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG
Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP
Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)
IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)
Discuss :confusedshrug:
nothing beats 2011 as the worst chokejob in Finals history
ImKobe
12-09-2021, 02:10 AM
OP thinks that Lebron losing 6x in the Finals helped enhance his legacy
he also thinks that MJ hurt his GOAT case by winning 2 more championships.
Can this site get any worse? :facepalm
Hey Yo
12-09-2021, 02:19 AM
nothing beats 2011 as the worst chokejob in Finals history
Correction.... that would be Kobe and the Lakers in 04
Bawkish
12-09-2021, 02:39 AM
Correction.... that would be Kobe and the Lakers in 04
remember a joke that time in 2011 where Lebron couldn't get a dollar because he's missing 1 quarter?
Spurs m8
12-09-2021, 03:27 AM
The daily Jordan thread by this loser
Nah seriously, sick life, bro
Cyrus334
12-09-2021, 03:54 AM
Lebron fans once again showing they insecurity by always trying to tear down the legacy of the true GOAT.
TheGoatest
12-09-2021, 04:04 AM
Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..
1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%
Last 3 games:
- 23 points 6/19 shooting
- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist
- 22 point 5/19 shooting
1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG
Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP
Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)
IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)
Discuss :confusedshrug:
The luxury of playing in an era where shitting out these turd numbers was enough to win the chip
combined with
The luxury of having voter stans to vote for you being Finals MVP even though you didn't deserve it
Johnny32
12-09-2021, 09:23 AM
hurt. he was horrible in both series.
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 09:34 AM
remember a joke that time in 2011 where Lebron couldn't get a dollar because he's missing 1 quarter?
:lol:oldlol::roll::applause:
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 09:37 AM
The luxury of playing in an era where shitting out these turd numbers was enough to win the chip
combined with
The luxury of having voter stans to vote for you being Finals MVP even though you didn't deserve it
6 Finals losses
6x NOT FMVP
-86
2011
outscored by some guy named Terry
swept 3x in the Finals
needed another NBA champion to help him get his 1st championship
TheGoatest
12-09-2021, 09:41 AM
6 Finals losses
6x NOT FMVP
-86
2011
outscored by some guy named Terry
swept 3x in the Finals
needed another NBA champion to help him get his 1st championship
Zero .500 seasons
Lower seeding than an all-star-less team whose best player by far and leading scorer by a significant margin was rookie Chuck Person
1-9
Outscored by Terry Cummings despite his game being based on scoring
Lost in first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that went on to lose in the conference finals to a team that went on to lose in the finals
Emptiest stat season of all time
Then...
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/Along-Came-Scottie.jpg
expansionera
12-09-2021, 09:50 AM
Hurts his legacy, it shows that you could put up Tyler Herro numbers and be the, so-called, best player in the world on a championship team at the time. Jordan played in the weakest era.
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 09:51 AM
Zero .500 seasons
Lower seeding than an all-star-less team whose best player by far and leading scorer by a significant margin was rookie Chuck Person
1-9
Outscored by Terry Cummings despite his game being based on scoring
Lost in first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that went on to lose in the conference finals to a team that went on to lose in the finals
Emptiest stat season of all time
Then...
https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/Along-Came-Scottie.jpg
How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?
Johnny32
12-09-2021, 09:55 AM
How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?
mj was getting shit on by steve alford in the ncaa tournament at the same age lebron was missing the playoffs in the nba.
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 10:00 AM
mj was getting shit on by steve alford in the ncaa tournament at the same age lebron was missing the playoffs in the nba.
MJ was winning an NCAA National Championship at the same age Lebron was being rejected by Akron Community College.
Johnny32
12-09-2021, 10:06 AM
mj, sam perkins, brad daugherty, and kenny smith lost to freshman steve alford in the ncaa tournament lmao.
mj - 13 points on 43% chucking, 1 rbd, 1 ast, 4 to's.
mj quit college after failing to lead unc to a championship as the best player on the team in back to back years and went pro.
Johnny32
12-09-2021, 10:07 AM
MJ was winning an NCAA National Championship at the same age Lebron was being rejected by Akron Community College.
as the third best player on his own team. congrats on the bj armstrong ncaa championship.
TheGoatest
12-09-2021, 10:37 AM
How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?
In an era where a 30-52 record is enough for a playoff spot? Zero. In fact, even as an 18 year-old rookie he makes the playoffs easily.
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 10:38 AM
as the third best player on his own team. congrats on the bj armstrong ncaa championship.
NCAA Champion & 2x college basketball player of the year with competition of Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, and Akeem Olajuwon while Lebron, at the same age, couldn't meet the academic requirements to get into Akron Community College.
RogueBorg
12-09-2021, 10:39 AM
In an era where a 30-52 record is enough for a playoff spot? Zero. In fact, even as an 18 year-old rookie he makes the playoffs easily.
Answer the question, how many times has Lebron missed the playoffs? I won't bring up the fact he missed it once in his prime.
Johnny32
12-09-2021, 10:40 AM
NCAA Champion & 2x college basketball player of the year with competition of Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, and Akeem Olajuwon while Lebron, at the same age, couldn't meet the academic requirements to get into Akron Community College.
his teammate dropped 28 points on 75% shooting in that championship gm. mj had 16. congrats though!
Pip' N Rodman
12-12-2021, 02:32 AM
Have we figured this out yet?
kawhileonard2
12-12-2021, 02:43 AM
Yep right here!
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT
Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher
Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2
Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED
Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.
Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron
Full Court
12-12-2021, 02:47 AM
Only to the intellectually bereaved Lebronophiles could winning FMPVs while three-peating hurt your legacy.
Keep these threads coming. Maybe someday Lebrone will let you be his girlfriend.
Pip' N Rodman
12-12-2021, 01:26 PM
Only to the intellectually bereaved Lebronophiles could winning FMPVs while three-peating hurt your legacy.
Keep these threads coming. Maybe someday Lebrone will let you be his girlfriend.
meltdown
Bronbron23
12-12-2021, 01:38 PM
Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..
1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%
Last 3 games:
- 23 points 6/19 shooting
- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist
- 22 point 5/19 shooting
1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG
Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP
Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)
IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)
Discuss :confusedshrug:
Well dosn't hury him any more than 2011 hurts bron so not sure what the point of this is
RogueBorg
12-12-2021, 02:43 PM
Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..
1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%
Last 3 games:
- 23 points 6/19 shooting
- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist
- 22 point 5/19 shooting
1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG
Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP
Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)
IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)
Discuss :confusedshrug:
Was it like 2011?
Every single Finals hurts his GOAT case, he was a useless ballhog carried by Pippen's monster 6 apg.
Genius insight OP:applause:
Manny98
12-12-2021, 03:40 PM
Then 2011 completely eradicates any argument for LeBron being the GOAT if that's the case
Pip' N Rodman
12-12-2021, 04:57 PM
Then 2011 completely eradicates any argument for LeBron being the GOAT if that's the case
Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny
Rebounds: 7 vs 4
Assists: 4 vs 2
FG%: 47% vs 43%
Baller789
12-12-2021, 07:02 PM
Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny
Rebounds: 7 vs 4
Assists: 4 vs 2
FG%: 47% vs 43%
:facepalm
Manny98
12-12-2021, 07:45 PM
Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny
Rebounds: 7 vs 4
Assists: 4 vs 2
FG%: 47% vs 43%
Even for your standards this is just dumb :facepalm
ELITEpower23
12-12-2021, 07:52 PM
Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny
Rebounds: 7 vs 4
Assists: 4 vs 2
FG%: 47% vs 43%
SHUT IT DOWN
:dancin
3ba11
12-12-2021, 07:53 PM
.
Finals
94' HAKEEM..... 26.9 on 55.2 TS
11' DIRK......... 26.0 on 53.7 TS
96' JORDAN..... 27.3 on 53.8 TS
98' JORDAN..... 33.5 on 51.6 TS
^^^ the biggest carry-jobs in history fall short of Jordan's in 96' and 98', where his sidekick wet the bed worse than any winning sidekick ever has
Baller789
12-12-2021, 08:29 PM
Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny
Rebounds: 7 vs 4
Assists: 4 vs 2
FG%: 47% vs 43%
SHUT IT DOWN
:dancin
Both your brains are pretty much shutdown at this point.
:oldlol:
Wally450
12-13-2021, 12:02 AM
Yikes.
Every single Finals hurts his GOAT case, he was a useless ballhog carried by Pippen's monster 6 apg.
Genius insight OP:applause:
And he still got finals mvps, unlike your boy steph. :oldlol:
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