Wait.. does Jordan' '96 and '98 Finals help or HURT his GOAT case?

[Pip' N Rodman]

Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..


1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%

Last 3 games:

- 23 points 6/19 shooting

- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist

- 22 point 5/19 shooting



1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG

Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP

Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)



IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)



Discuss :confusedshrug:

[kawhileonard2]

Here is the discussion

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.

[Pip' N Rodman]

:pimp:

[Bawkish]

Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..


1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%

Last 3 games:

- 23 points 6/19 shooting

- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist

- 22 point 5/19 shooting



1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG

Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP

Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)



IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)



Discuss :confusedshrug:

nothing beats 2011 as the worst chokejob in Finals history

[ImKobe]

OP thinks that Lebron losing 6x in the Finals helped enhance his legacy

he also thinks that MJ hurt his GOAT case by winning 2 more championships.

Can this site get any worse? :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

nothing beats 2011 as the worst chokejob in Finals history

Correction.... that would be Kobe and the Lakers in 04

[Bawkish]

Correction.... that would be Kobe and the Lakers in 04

remember a joke that time in 2011 where Lebron couldn't get a dollar because he's missing 1 quarter?

[Axe]

Hi @Gus

[Spurs m8]

The daily Jordan thread by this loser

Nah seriously, sick life, bro

[Cyrus334]

Lebron fans once again showing they insecurity by always trying to tear down the legacy of the true GOAT.

[TheGoatest]

Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..


1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%

Last 3 games:

- 23 points 6/19 shooting

- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist

- 22 point 5/19 shooting



1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG

Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP

Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)



IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)



Discuss :confusedshrug:

The luxury of playing in an era where shitting out these turd numbers was enough to win the chip

combined with

The luxury of having voter stans to vote for you being Finals MVP even though you didn't deserve it

[Johnny32]

hurt. he was horrible in both series.

[RogueBorg]

remember a joke that time in 2011 where Lebron couldn't get a dollar because he's missing 1 quarter?

:lol:oldlol::roll::applause:

[RogueBorg]

The luxury of playing in an era where shitting out these turd numbers was enough to win the chip

combined with

The luxury of having voter stans to vote for you being Finals MVP even though you didn't deserve it

6 Finals losses
6x NOT FMVP
-86
2011
outscored by some guy named Terry
swept 3x in the Finals
needed another NBA champion to help him get his 1st championship

[TheGoatest]

6 Finals losses
6x NOT FMVP
-86
2011
outscored by some guy named Terry
swept 3x in the Finals
needed another NBA champion to help him get his 1st championship

Zero .500 seasons
Lower seeding than an all-star-less team whose best player by far and leading scorer by a significant margin was rookie Chuck Person
1-9
Outscored by Terry Cummings despite his game being based on scoring
Lost in first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that went on to lose in the conference finals to a team that went on to lose in the finals
Emptiest stat season of all time

Then...

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/Along-Came-Scottie.jpg

[expansionera]

Hurts his legacy, it shows that you could put up Tyler Herro numbers and be the, so-called, best player in the world on a championship team at the time. Jordan played in the weakest era.

[RogueBorg]

Zero .500 seasons
Lower seeding than an all-star-less team whose best player by far and leading scorer by a significant margin was rookie Chuck Person
1-9
Outscored by Terry Cummings despite his game being based on scoring
Lost in first round to a team that got swept in the second round by a team that went on to lose in the conference finals to a team that went on to lose in the finals
Emptiest stat season of all time

Then...

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/Along-Came-Scottie.jpg

How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?

[Johnny32]

How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?

mj was getting shit on by steve alford in the ncaa tournament at the same age lebron was missing the playoffs in the nba.

[RogueBorg]

mj was getting shit on by steve alford in the ncaa tournament at the same age lebron was missing the playoffs in the nba.

MJ was winning an NCAA National Championship at the same age Lebron was being rejected by Akron Community College.

[Johnny32]

mj, sam perkins, brad daugherty, and kenny smith lost to freshman steve alford in the ncaa tournament lmao.

mj - 13 points on 43% chucking, 1 rbd, 1 ast, 4 to's.

mj quit college after failing to lead unc to a championship as the best player on the team in back to back years and went pro.

[Johnny32]

MJ was winning an NCAA National Championship at the same age Lebron was being rejected by Akron Community College.

as the third best player on his own team. congrats on the bj armstrong ncaa championship.

[TheGoatest]

How many times has Lebron missed the playoffs?

In an era where a 30-52 record is enough for a playoff spot? Zero. In fact, even as an 18 year-old rookie he makes the playoffs easily.

[RogueBorg]

as the third best player on his own team. congrats on the bj armstrong ncaa championship.

NCAA Champion & 2x college basketball player of the year with competition of Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, and Akeem Olajuwon while Lebron, at the same age, couldn't meet the academic requirements to get into Akron Community College.

[RogueBorg]

In an era where a 30-52 record is enough for a playoff spot? Zero. In fact, even as an 18 year-old rookie he makes the playoffs easily.

Answer the question, how many times has Lebron missed the playoffs? I won't bring up the fact he missed it once in his prime.

[Johnny32]

NCAA Champion & 2x college basketball player of the year with competition of Ralph Sampson, Patrick Ewing, and Akeem Olajuwon while Lebron, at the same age, couldn't meet the academic requirements to get into Akron Community College.

his teammate dropped 28 points on 75% shooting in that championship gm. mj had 16. congrats though!

[Pip' N Rodman]

Have we figured this out yet?

[kawhileonard2]

Yep right here!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher



Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED



Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

[Full Court]

Only to the intellectually bereaved Lebronophiles could winning FMPVs while three-peating hurt your legacy.

Keep these threads coming. Maybe someday Lebrone will let you be his girlfriend.

[Pip' N Rodman]

Only to the intellectually bereaved Lebronophiles could winning FMPVs while three-peating hurt your legacy.

Keep these threads coming. Maybe someday Lebrone will let you be his girlfriend.

meltdown

[Bronbron23]

Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..


1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%

Last 3 games:

- 23 points 6/19 shooting

- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist

- 22 point 5/19 shooting



1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG

Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP

Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)



IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)



Discuss :confusedshrug:

Well dosn't hury him any more than 2011 hurts bron so not sure what the point of this is

[RogueBorg]

Yes he happened to be on the team that won the series, but here's how he performed..


1996 - 27/6/4 on 41%

Last 3 games:

- 23 points 6/19 shooting

- 26 points 4 rebounds 1 assist

- 22 point 5/19 shooting



1998 - 4 rebs/2 assists on 43% FG

Lowest rebounds/assists EVER for a FMVP

Lowest FG% ever for a FMVP winner (only ahead of Kobe)



IMO if 1996 and 1998 never happened, Jordan would have a stronger argument for GOAT. Those series exposed his ability to perform against legit defenses (which he didnt play his other 4 finals)



Discuss :confusedshrug:

Was it like 2011?

[000]

Every single Finals hurts his GOAT case, he was a useless ballhog carried by Pippen's monster 6 apg.

Genius insight OP:applause:

[Manny98]

Then 2011 completely eradicates any argument for LeBron being the GOAT if that's the case

[Pip' N Rodman]

Then 2011 completely eradicates any argument for LeBron being the GOAT if that's the case

Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny

Rebounds: 7 vs 4

Assists: 4 vs 2

FG%: 47% vs 43%

[Baller789]

Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny

Rebounds: 7 vs 4

Assists: 4 vs 2

FG%: 47% vs 43%

:facepalm

[Manny98]

Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny

Rebounds: 7 vs 4

Assists: 4 vs 2

FG%: 47% vs 43%
Even for your standards this is just dumb :facepalm

[ELITEpower23]

Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny

Rebounds: 7 vs 4

Assists: 4 vs 2

FG%: 47% vs 43%

SHUT IT DOWN

:dancin

[3ba11]

.
Finals

94' HAKEEM..... 26.9 on 55.2 TS

11' DIRK......... 26.0 on 53.7 TS

96' JORDAN..... 27.3 on 53.8 TS

98' JORDAN..... 33.5 on 51.6 TS



^^^ the biggest carry-jobs in history fall short of Jordan's in 96' and 98', where his sidekick wet the bed worse than any winning sidekick ever has

[Baller789]

Except Bron was better in 2011 than Jordan was in 1998 lil' Manny

Rebounds: 7 vs 4

Assists: 4 vs 2

FG%: 47% vs 43%


SHUT IT DOWN

:dancin

Both your brains are pretty much shutdown at this point.

:oldlol:

[Wally450]

Yikes.

[Axe]

Every single Finals hurts his GOAT case, he was a useless ballhog carried by Pippen's monster 6 apg.

Genius insight OP:applause:
And he still got finals mvps, unlike your boy steph. :oldlol: