Which players ball hogged and minimized teammates due to poor passing?

[ELITEpower23]

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Players that won rings while being a bad passer and thus forced to take bad shots and ballhog (since 1980, aka 3-pointer basketball)


91' Jordan
92' Jordan
93' Jordan
96' Jordan
97' Jordan
98' Jordan
00' Shaq
03' Duncan
06' Wade
09' Kobe
10' Kobe
15' Curry
19' Kawhi
21' Giannis


Did I miss anyone?

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Kobe cost Shaq multiple rings throwing up prayers instead of passing to the wide open Goliath

[Johnny32]

i'll never forget billups post game interview. i've never been able to find it on youtube. he was asked how the pistons stopped shaq..."we didn't, kobe did"

[warriorfan]

Nice life

[John_Connor]

almost everyone that's played with kobe had career years. wtf lol


minimizing teammates? look no further than LeStagnate Roid McBlames

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almost everyone that's played with kobe had career years. wtf lol


minimizing teammates? look no further than LeStagnate Roid McBlames
https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20111225/sports/712259822/AR/0/AR-712259822.jpg&updated=201112260054&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

Kobe suppressed ball movement, he needed to get his regardless of the scoreboard

[2much_knowledge]

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Players that won rings while being a bad passer and thus forced to take bad shots and ballhog (since 1980, aka 3-pointer basketball)


91' Jordan
92' Jordan
93' Jordan
96' Jordan
97' Jordan
98' Jordan
00' Shaq
03' Duncan
06' Wade
09' Kobe
10' Kobe
15' Curry
19' Kawhi
21' Giannis


Did I miss anyone?

Breaking news: this just in!!! 100% of those players listed have a positive finals record lol. The more you know

[Gohan]

https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20111225/sports/712259822/AR/0/AR-712259822.jpg&updated=201112260054&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

Kobe suppressed ball movement, he needed to get his regardless of the scoreboard

That picture is just gangsta, thats some real nikka ish right there. Fvck passing thats for betas

[3ba11]

Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and Pippen started as single-digit rookies and grew by leaps and bounds every year alongside Jordan, while Lebron never developed a single young player... Think about that - zero players developed in 2 decades of playing - instead, lebron HIMSELF needed to be developed by Wade (taught how to win and not choke)

[Akeem34TheDream]

Did you mean Iguodala in 2015 OP? Or are you too ashamed of saying his name.:lol

[Bronbron23]

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Players that won rings while being a bad passer and thus forced to take bad shots and ballhog (since 1980, aka 3-pointer basketball)


91' Jordan
92' Jordan
93' Jordan
96' Jordan
97' Jordan
98' Jordan
00' Shaq
03' Duncan
06' Wade
09' Kobe
10' Kobe
15' Curry
19' Kawhi
21' Giannis


Did I miss anyone?

how uneducated in the game do you have to be? Mj played in the triangle which implemented a shit ton of passing cuts. Mj actually passed alot he just often ended up getting the ball back because his teammates were never great offensively.

I swear this flicking guy dosn't know shit about ball:facepalm

[Baller789]

how uneducated in the game do you have to be? Mj played in the triangle which implemented a shit ton of passing cuts. Mj actually passed alot he just often ended up getting the ball back because his teammates were never great offensively.

I swear this flicking guy dosn't know shit about ball:facepalm

He doesn't.
Most of these stans aren't even worth seriously debating against tbh.
It gets kinda boring.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jordan Clarkson is the worst I've ever seen in 40 plus years. Just awful

[3ba11]

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RINGER.COM: MJ had futuristic point guard skill by being 30/10/10 point guard like Luka, Westbrook, etc 30 yrs ahead of time


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/nDBX5i.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/GjUUon.gif


If the Bulls needed elite assist levels (more than 7 apg), JORDAN WAS THE ONLY OPTION, and he's also the only player to average 10 apg in a series without bringing the ball up/playing point guard (91' Finals), which is a goat passing accomplishment.

Jordan also led the Bulls in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen, including 3 title runs

And Jordan took more shots than everyone else but can't assist on those shots, so he had less available shots to assist on, which is why his assist PERCENTAGE was always #1 on his team - he assisted 33% more often than Pippen in the playoffs (28 to 21 assist percentage).

[ELITEpower23]

91' Jordan
92' Jordan
93' Jordan
96' Jordan
97' Jordan
98' Jordan
00' Shaq
03' Duncan
06' Wade
09' Kobe
10' Kobe
15' Curry
19' Kawhi
21' Giannis


Did I miss anyone?

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Kawhi beat Giannis\Embiid\Butler\Curry.

Name me a Lebron playoff run when he beat 4 players that good in their primes.

Piece of shit.

[ELITEpower23]

Kawhi beat Giannis\Embiid\Butler\Curry.

Name me a Lebron playoff run when he beat 4 players that good in their primes.

Piece of shit.

2012: Carmello Anthony, Paul George, Garnett, Pierce, KD, Westbrook, Harden

2013: Paul George, Butler, Deng, Duncan, Kawhi, Parker

2016: Horford, Milsap, Derozan, Lowry, Curry, Klay, Draymond

Bye

[tpols]

The highest assist total teams from 1980 onward were:

Magic Lakers
Curry Warriors (before Durant)
Bird Celtics
Kobe Lakers
Duncan Spurs
Jordan Bulls

And that's a fact. Don't conflate individual assists with team ball movement.

Total team assists reign supreme in what compromises superior basketball style of play.

[Cyrus334]

So averaging 11.4 assists in a Finals is being a ball hog and minimizing team mates? :oldlol:

The IQ of this board sometimes :facepalm

[zeerghit]

i'll never forget billups post game interview. i've never been able to find it on youtube. he was asked how the pistons stopped shaq..."we didn't, kobe did"

Chauncey Billups: Our game plan was very calculated. We knew we were going to play Shaq straight-up. We knew there was no way we could stop Shaq straight-up. And there was also no way we could stop Kobe straight-up. But, if we’re going to play Shaq straight-up, [the Lakers’] eyes are going to get big, which means they’re going to keep throwing it down there. We’re telling Ben the whole time, “Take fouls when you need to, but don’t get yourself into foul trouble. You need to give up a layup, cool, we’re going to get what we want on the other side.” But what’s going to happen is Mr. Bryant is going to get a little discouraged with getting no touches and now the second half comes around…now he’s pressing. He’s going to start coming down and just breaking the offense. When you do that, you’re done—you’re playing right into our hands. Even if you start making those shots, you’re finished. this one?

[Spurs m8]

You can't make up how stupid OP is hahajahhaha

Everyone thinks you're a laughing stock

Lebron literally lost 4-6 rings due to being selfish hahahahhaha

Fvckhead

[3ba11]

So averaging 11.4 assists in a Finals is being a ball hog and minimizing team mates? :oldlol:

The IQ of this board sometimes :facepalm


^^^ he's the only guy to average 10+ assists in a series without starting at PG

However, Ringer.com had a great article about how MJ showed futuristic point guard talent when he was a 30/10/10 point guard for 25 games at the position in 1989, or 30 years before Luka, Westbrook and today's "30/10/10 era"

MJ led the Bulls in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen and averaged more assists for their Finals career, playoff and regular season careers.. Ultimately, Pippen was a mid-tier playmaker (5 apg), while averaging less assists than all of Lebron's playmaking help (westbrook, rondo, kyrie, wade) and jordan

[Spurs m8]

^^^ he's the only guy to average 10+ assists in a series without starting at PG

However, Ringer.com had a great article about how MJ showed futuristic point guard talent when he was a 30/10/10 point guard for 25 games at the position in 1989, or 30 years before Luka, Westbrook and today's "30/10/10 era"

MJ led the Bulls in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside Pippen and averaged more assists for their Finals career, playoff and regular season careers.. Ultimately, Pippen was a mid-tier playmaker (5 apg), while averaging less assists than all of Lebron's playmaking help (westbrook, rondo, kyrie, wade) and jordan

You triggered op so much with your thread, he had to create this abomination lmao

[r0drig0lac]

So averaging 11.4 assists in a Finals is being a ball hog and minimizing team mates? :oldlol:

The IQ of this board :facepalm

fixed

[Real Men Wear Green]

I would like to see all the Jordan and James stans thrown together in a room with a many sharp bladed weapons as possible.

[Kblaze8855]

I would like to see all the Jordan and James stans thrown together in a room with a many sharp bladed weapons as possible.

This whole thing really is insane. Just people yelling wrong things back and forth. Like this:



^^^ he's the only guy to average 10+ assists in a series without starting at PG


It isn’t true. Jordan wasn’t the first….or even second. But they have no problem saying so. Give it 10 minutes and we get some shit about playoff point totals as if playing worse can’t increase totals by having longer title runs.

Its just noise. But if we ban them all 70% pull out an alt…then another one. And another one.

Weirdos have much more stamina for this than normal people.

[expansionera]

I would like to see all the Jordan and James stans thrown together in a room with a many sharp bladed weapons as possible.

Jordan stans are old frail men, why would you want to witness murder?

[Kblaze8855]

Jordan stans are old frail men, why would you want to witness murder?


A good number of the Jordan fans here are way waaaaay too young to have seen him play and almost all of the Lebron fans are.

It would be mostly 20 somethings on both sides.

[Axe]

Jordan Clarkson is the worst I've ever seen in 40 plus years. Just awful
:oldlol:

[Axe]

Jordan stans are old frail men, why would you want to witness murder?
This prick has a dup. Banworthy.

[TheGoatest]

1993-94 Chicago Bulls is the most extreme example in history of a team full of players becoming better due to being free from the shackles of playing with a suffocating ball-hog:

2 first time all-stars as soon they were free from Jordan's shackles
7 players on the roster, from superstars to bench warmers, averaged career highs in ppg that exact season

[ELITEpower23]

1993-94 Chicago Bulls is the most extreme example in history of a team full of players becoming better due to being free from the shackles of playing with a suffocating ball-hog:

2 first time all-stars as soon they were free from Jordan's shackles
7 players on the roster, from superstars to bench warmers, averaged career highs in ppg that exact season

Bingo

:dancin

[Baller789]

1993-94 Chicago Bulls is the most extreme example in history of a team full of players becoming better due to being free from the shackles of playing with a suffocating ball-hog:

2 first time all-stars as soon they were free from Jordan's shackles
7 players on the roster, from superstars to bench warmers, averaged career highs in ppg that exact season

The team's leading scorer leaves...

The rest of the guys score more...

*Shock*

First time that ever happened.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


Only Lebron fielded low assist teams that get massively out-assisted and lost the vast majority of his Finals (worst Finals record in modern history/3-pointer history)

[TheGoatest]

The team's leading scorer leaves...

The rest of the guys score more...

*Shock*

First time that ever happened.

Yes, 2 players instantly becoming all-stars and 7 players ending up averaging career high ppgs after one particular player left the roster is the first time it ever happened. Do you have another example of this happening in NBA history to *shock* us with??

[Axe]

1993-94 Chicago Bulls is the most extreme example in history of a team full of players becoming better due to being free from the shackles of playing with a suffocating ball-hog
The same suffocating ball-hog who continues to give you misery in your daily pathetic ish life basing on your activity itb? Eew.

[TheGoatest]

The same suffocating ball-hog who continues to give you misery in your daily pathetic ish life basing on your activity itb? Eew.

*Joined Feb 2020
*Has 21190 posts
*Talks about others' activity on the forum

[Axe]

Cool story bro

[Bronbron23]

He doesn't.
Most of these stans aren't even worth seriously debating against tbh.
It gets kinda boring.

Yeah you can tell some of these guys have never played the game on a competitive level. They don't know wtf they're talking about

[Bronbron23]

Jordan stans are old frail men, why would you want to witness murder?

Come on bruh bron stans are mostly from this generation and this generation can't fight for shit. 2 dudes are more likely to kiss than fight in this era:oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Yeah you can tell some of these guys have never played the game on a competitive level. They don't know wtf they're talking about

LMAO, coming from people who ignore anything that has to do with proper, high level organized basketball in their arguments, and glorify everything that has to do with some 1-on-1 ISO hero ball, as seen in Above The Rim and shit.

[Bronbron23]

LMAO, coming from people who ignore anything that has to do with proper, high level organized basketball in their arguments, and glorify everything that has to do with some 1-on-1 ISO hero ball, as seen in Above The Rim and shit.

Dude wtf are you talking about? Who's praising 1 on 1 iso ball? Mj wasn't even a one on one iso player for most of his career. He played in the triangle where he actually passed alot. He also scored a shit ton of points off of his elite off ball movement.

[Baller789]

Come on bruh bron stans are mostly from this generation and this generation can't fight for shit. 2 dudes are more likely to kiss than fight in this era:oldlol:


LMAO, coming from people who ignore anything that has to do with proper, high level organized basketball in their arguments, and glorify everything that has to do with some 1-on-1 ISO hero ball, as seen in Above The Rim and shit.

So which generation of men are softer?

This generation or the previous one?

[TheGoatest]

Dude wtf are you talking about? Who's praising 1 on 1 iso ball? Mj wasn't even a one on one iso player for most of his career. He played in the triangle where he actually passed alot. He also scored a shit ton of points off of his elite off ball movement.

You and fellow Jordan stans/LeBron haters are praising 1-on-1 hero ball. Every time there is a LeBron-vs-Jordan debate, it diverges into some shit about how Jordan could score over double or triple teams or how he could make all kinds of tough shots, the vast majority of which he shouldn't have taken at all and passed the ball.

[warriorfan]

*Joined Feb 2020
*Has 21190 posts
*Talks about others' activity on the forum

:roll: he absolutely has no life. Hilarious.

[Bronbron23]

You and fellow Jordan stans/LeBron haters are praising 1-on-1 hero ball. Every time there is a LeBron-vs-Jordan debate, it diverges into some shit about how Jordan could score over double or triple teams or how he could make all kinds of tough shots, the vast majority of which he shouldn't have taken at all and passed the ball.

Nah man i can't speak for other people but that's not what i said. I said mj had the ability to easily beat double teams and bron dosn't. This isn't even arguable. Double teams usually happen in the half court and bron dosn't have the quickness and skills to easily beat double teams like mj did. That said it doesn't mean mj did this all the time. like bron and unlike kobe mj would often pass out of the double team. It just depended on the situation and this is where mj had the advantage over bron. Bron had no choice to pass out even if it meant passing to an open player who has shit confidence because they just missed 10 straight. Mj on the other hand could say f*ck it my guy not gonna make this shot i'm taking this shit myself.

[TheGoatest]

Nah man i can't speak for other people but that's not what i said. I said mj had the ability to easily beat double teams and bron dosn't. This isn't even arguable. Double teams usually happen in the half court and bron dosn't have the quickness and skills to easily beat double teams like mj did. That said it doesn't mean mj did this all the time. like bron and unlike kobe mj would often pass out of the double team. It just depended on the situation and this is where mj had the advantage over bron. Bron had no choice to pass out even if it meant passing to an open player who has shit confidence because they just missed 10 straight. Mj on the other hand could say f*ck it my guy not gonna make this shot i'm taking this shit myself.

Nah man, you praise Jordan for taking basketball 101 fundamentally unwise shots over double and triple teams, whereas LeBron is the best open man finder/passer out of double and triple (which he draws due to his additional scoring ability) teams in NBA history. This isn't even debatable. Jordan doesn't have the passing skill and spatial awareness of LeBron to make the right play and find the open man. Instead he takes the difficult shot, and you praise him for doing so. Meanwhile, you can keep on talking about how LeBron isn't a good scorer all you want, and I'll keep on pointing out how the difference between #1 in all-time playoff scoring (LeBron) and #2 (Jordan) is greater than the difference between #2 (Jordan) and #9 (Durant).

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Meanwhile, you can keep on talking about how LeBron isn't a good scorer all you want, and I'll keep on pointing out how the difference between #1 in all-time playoff scoring (LeBron) and #2 (Jordan) is greater than the difference between #2 (Jordan) and #9 (Durant).

Holy **** :banana:

[2much_knowledge]

Nah man, you praise Jordan for taking basketball 101 fundamentally unwise shots over double and triple teams, whereas LeBron is the best open man finder/passer out of double and triple (which he draws due to his additional scoring ability) teams in NBA history. This isn't even debatable. Jordan doesn't have the passing skill and spatial awareness of LeBron to make the right play and find the open man. Instead he takes the difficult shot, and you praise him for doing so. Meanwhile, you can keep on talking about how LeBron isn't a good scorer all you want, and I'll keep on pointing out how the difference between #1 in all-time playoff scoring (LeBron) and #2 (Jordan) is greater than the difference between #2 (Jordan) and #9 (Durant).

Duh. Ton of extra games and 7 game first round series

[Bronbron23]

Nah man, you praise Jordan for taking basketball 101 fundamentally unwise shots over double and triple teams, whereas LeBron is the best open man finder/passer out of double and triple (which he draws due to his additional scoring ability) teams in NBA history. This isn't even debatable. Jordan doesn't have the passing skill and spatial awareness of LeBron to make the right play and find the open man. Instead he takes the difficult shot, and you praise him for doing so. Meanwhile, you can keep on talking about how LeBron isn't a good scorer all you want, and I'll keep on pointing out how the difference between #1 in all-time playoff scoring (LeBron) and #2 (Jordan) is greater than the difference between #2 (Jordan) and #9 (Durant).

Who said bron wasn't a good scorer? He's one of the greatest scorers ever He's just not as good as mj.

And again mj passed alot dude. You clearly never watched those bulls teams play otherwise you wouldn't say that.

And again it's not always the smartest play passing out of the double team. Especially if you can beat it fairly easily like mj could. Especially if the guy who's open is open for a reason.

Who would you rather take a game winning shot? Steph, mj or kobe with a mid or three pull up against a double team or draymond, rodman or shaq wide open from the same distance?

[TheCorporation]

Not everyone has that LeGoggles GOAT vision

https://i.postimg.cc/4x0JjWdQ/Le-Goggles-Goat.jpg

Most are bad passers forced to take bad shots. Anyone can shoot. Not many can pass well.

[warriorfan]

Not everyone has that LeGoggles GOAT vision

https://i.postimg.cc/4x0JjWdQ/Le-Goggles-Goat.jpg

Most are bad passers forced to take bad shots. Anyone can shoot. Not many can pass well.

Holy cringe

[FireDavidKahn]

Meanwhile LeBron let's his teammates eat.

[TheCorporation]

Holy cringe

Your ashy shoebox is what's holy cringe :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/GpsqjmVx/ityity7iototyu7.png

[Axe]

Your ashy shoebox is what's holy cringe :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/GpsqjmVx/ityity7iototyu7.png
:milton

[TheCorporation]

Nah man, you praise Jordan for taking basketball 101 fundamentally unwise shots over double and triple teams, whereas LeBron is the best open man finder/passer out of double and triple (which he draws due to his additional scoring ability) teams in NBA history. This isn't even debatable. Jordan doesn't have the passing skill and spatial awareness of LeBron to make the right play and find the open man. Instead he takes the difficult shot, and you praise him for doing so. Meanwhile, you can keep on talking about how LeBron isn't a good scorer all you want, and I'll keep on pointing out how the difference between #1 in all-time playoff scoring (LeBron) and #2 (Jordan) is greater than the difference between #2 (Jordan) and #9 (Durant).

:lebronamazed:

That's a wrap

[Bronbron23]

:lebronamazed:

That's a wrap

The only thing that should of been wrapped was your fathers p*nis:roll:

[Baller789]

The only thing that should of been wrapped was your fathers p*nis:roll:

Bodybagged :roll: