How is AD the problem when he leads Lakers in PER, WS/48, VORP, rebs, blk, efficiency

[3ba11]

And he's a near-equal-scoring partner to Lebron...

The Lakers have 2 guys that are producing better than Pippen ever did, yet the Lakers are .500 - so Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance is a massive underachiever of talent when you consider this Laker team, the 2019 lottery team, and being lottery in 2005 despite the East all-star center, while going 3/7 with super-teams from 11-17'

Ultimately, the historical record will always show Lebron to be an underachieving loser regardless of how much his fans/media lie about him

[AirBonner]

He can’t stay healthy. Lakers can still win games without him

[RRR3]

Kobe was the worst player in the league at LeBron’s age.

[3ba11]

Kobe was the worst player in the league at LeBron’s age.


Lebron traded away 2 all-stars in Ingram (pippen) and Randle (horace)... Then he traded away other good players like Lonzo (harper), Kuzma (kukoc) and Caruso (paxson)

He traded away these young studs because his frontcourt ball-dominance can't develop young players - he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win like AD..

pretty pathetic when you think about it..

[Manny98]

He has practically the worst on court rating on the entire team this year (worse than Westbrook) he's looked horrendous so far outside of a couple of games

[3ba11]

He has practically the worst on court rating on the entire team this year (worse than Westbrook) he's looked horrendous so far outside of a couple of games


he leads Lakers in PER, WS/48, VORP, rebs, blk, efficiency and is equal-scoring partner to Lebron

the problem is that you guys want him to carry lebron and he can't, so you're blaming him for everything despite him being the best 2nd option in the league - name a better #2 than AD

everyone wants AD to carry Lebron, so they can give Lebron the credit like the 2020 Playoffs

[1987_Lakers]

Because people actually watch games instead at looking at advanced stats.

[RRR3]

Lebron traded away 2 all-stars in Ingram (pippen) and Randle (horace)... Then he traded away other good players like Lonzo (harper), Kuzma (kukoc) and Caruso (paxson)

He traded away these young studs because his frontcourt ball-dominance can't develop young players - he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win like AD..

pretty pathetic when you think about it..
LeBron wasn’t on the Lakers when Randle signed in New Orleans. Are you retarded?

[1987_Lakers]

He has practically the worst on court rating on the entire team this year (worse than Westbrook) he's looked horrendous so far outside of a couple of games

Yes, his jumper has been off all season and he just looks kinda lazy out there at times. His first half performance against Boston was embarrassing, he was getting dunked on left and right by a role player.

[RRR3]

LeBron TS%: 59.7%
AD: 57.1%

“AD leads in efficiency”-retardball
Snivelly making shit up as usual.

[3ba11]

Yes, his jumper has been off all season and he just looks kinda lazy out there at times. His first half performance against Boston was embarrassing, he was getting dunked on left and right by a role player.


AD has far better stats and performance this year than Pippen ever had, so why isn't this enough to Lebron?.. Why isn't a rich man's Pippen enough help?

Heck, Westbrook is averaging 20/8/9, which is better than Pippen's best too... So Lebron has 2 guys better than Pippen but can't win.. Then he has several other HOF teammates that are capable of out-producing Pippen on any given night.

Only a shit brand of ball can make this kind of talent lose.. but this is nothing new - Lebron has been underperforming his supporting talent ever since he barely won 40 games with the East all-star center in 2005.

[warriorfan]

:roll:

Lebron stans squirming over this one

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau Gasol led the 2010 Lakers in PER, WS/48, VORP, BPM, rebounds, blocks & efficiency.

[warriorfan]

Pau Gasol led the 2010 Lakers in PER, WS/48, VORP, BPM, rebounds, blocks & efficiency.

Yeah, it’s almost like all those stats are complete nonsense and using the eye test is still the most important thing.

I agree.

[tpols]

Because people actually watch games instead at looking at advanced stats.

:roll:

Oh man... :roll:

That's rich coming from you.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, it’s almost like all those stats are complete nonsense and using the eye test is still the most important thing.

I agree.
You used PER to claim Bosh was better than Kobe in 2010

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

Oh man... :roll:

That's rich coming from you.

Coming from a guy who uses ORTG to prove Reggie Miller was a superstar.

:roll:

[RRR3]

Coming from a guy who uses ORTG to prove Reggie Miller was a superstar.

:roll:
Ttrolls :facepalm

[3ba11]

Because people actually watch games instead at looking at advanced stats.


The problem is that AD is a #2... and he's being the most productive 2 in the league..... but you guys expect him to be the #1 option and dominate like Duncan or Kareem - am I right?... Like in the 2020 playoffs when he dominated Jokic?

But instead he's playing just a little better than peak Pippen, so that's like, nowhere NEAR what Lebron needs to win, which makes you guys shit on AD

carry on

[RRR3]

The problem is that AD is a #2... and he's being the most productive 2 in the league..... but you guys expect him to be the #1 option and dominate like Duncan or Kareem - am I right?

But instead he's playing just a little better than peak Pippen, so that's like, nowhere NEAR what Lebron needs to win, which makes you guys shit on AD

carry on
LeBron is washed up. AD IS supposed to be the number one at this point you retard.

[3ba11]

LeBron is washed up. AD IS supposed to be the number one at this point you retard.


Lebron is averaging 26/7/6, while Westbrook gets 20/8/9, while AD gets 24/10/3/1/2

Then there's Melo and Dwight and Monk and Bradley and THT and tons of guys

Yet he's barely .500... So as Lebron gets older, his underachieving of supporting talent gets more and more pronounced - it's even gone way past his early days, when he barely won 40 with the East all-star center on his team..

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron is averaging 26/7/6, while Westbrook gets 20/8/9, while AD gets 24/10/3/1/2

Then there's Melo and Dwight and Monk and Bradley and THT and tons of guys

Yet he's barely .500... So as Lebron gets older, his underachieving of supporting talent gets more and more pronounced - it's even gone way past his early days, when he barely won 40 with the East all-star center on his team..

Why are the Lakers 5-7 without LeBron despite having all this talent?

Bulls won 55 games without MJ.

[PP34Deuce]

AD is noticeably younger than bron and 4 years younger than Westbrook. He's a number 2 yet has number 1 talent in a market where the scoring big man is valued

[Hey Yo]

The problem is that AD is a #2... and he's being the most productive 2 in the league..... but you guys expect him to be the #1 option and dominate like Duncan or Kareem - am I right?... Like in the 2020 playoffs when he dominated Jokic?

But instead he's playing just a little better than peak Pippen, so that's like, nowhere NEAR what Lebron needs to win, which makes you guys shit on AD

carry on

Who was the number 1 option when James was out with injury? Who was it that blew 2 double digit leads to OKC earlier this season?

[3ba11]

Why are the Lakers 5-7 without LeBron despite having all this talent?

Bulls won 55 games without MJ.


Lakers run bron-ball-domination so they're starting over from square one offensively when he's gone.. Otoh, if they ran a system that moved the ball, they would continue to move the ball whether he was there or not and win more.

Btw, after the honeymoon period of surprise factor ended in the 2nd Round of the 94' Playoffs, the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery and cratering fast, so consider how severe the downward trajectory was from 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 2 years.. 95' was the REAL bulls without MJ and they sucked

[ZenMaster]

Yes, his jumper has been off all season and he just looks kinda lazy out there at times. His first half performance against Boston was embarrassing, he was getting dunked on left and right by a role player.

He's one of very few Lakers to actually move around on defense and I think he's contesting more shots at the 3pt line than ever before, he gets gassed when you also factor in that he's expected to try and always outrun his matchup down the floor.

Problem is Westbrook getting paid 44 million when we weren't going deep into the luxury tax, and the players missing in the difference between that number compared to his actual value.
It's going to be a while before I forgive Jeanie for this bullshit, Westbrook and Melo as our 3rd and 4th leading scorers, it's easily the most unlikeable Laker team I've seen in 20 years with these trash ass defenders.

Lonzo Ball and Caruos makes about 30 million combined and we could have had both if we wanted to. Could also have had Hield if we wanted to while keeping Caruso and KCP, all players that are valuable in line with their contracts, except for Caruso who's probably the best 10 million dollar player you can find in the league.

Instead we have this stupid ass, talking shit and pandering to the crowd like his team is rolling over the league, while a few days later demean and embarrass long time and beloved Laker reporter Mike Trudell.
44 million dollar point guard who can't shoot a floater or a fall away jumper, I hope by some miracle we can trade his dumb ass


https://youtu.be/sJXj3phhnvg


https://youtu.be/U02gEAy8bhM

[SouBeachTalents]

After the honeymoon period of surprise factor ended in the 2nd Round of the 94' Playoffs, the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery and cratering fast, so consider how severe the downward trajectory was from 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 2 years.. 95' was the REAL bulls without MJ and they sucked
The Bulls were on pace to be the 6 seed in '95 before Jordan returned, so that would've been b2b playoff berths without Jordan.

[ELITEpower23]

The Bulls were on pace to be the 6 seed in '95 before Jordan returned, so that would've been b2b playoff berths without Jordan.

Ouch :oldlol: Pete Myers

[Spurs m8]

Because people actually watch games instead at looking at advanced stats.

People that aren't you and bron stans

[3ba11]

Why are the Lakers 5-7 without LeBron despite having all this talent?

Bulls won 55 games without MJ.


You're making my point - the current Lakers aren't winning despite super talent because of weak strategy/brand of ball, while the 94' Bulls won 55 with weak talent because of 3-peat strategy/brand of ball/experience.

Regardless, after the honeymoon period of surprise factor ended in the 2nd Round of the 94' Playoffs, the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery and cratering fast, so consider how severe the downward trajectory was from 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 2 years.. 1995 was the REAL bulls without MJ and they sucked

[PP34Deuce]

Don't know what you guys get riled up over these posts. Treat em like a little kid who wants and craves attention...

"Jordan is the best thing since sliced bread. I hate lebron james and make posts that are hot takes so I can be memorable in this world of vanity. "

Keep it up sport. Many other topics we can discuss.

[3ba11]

Don't know what you guys get riled up over these posts. Treat em like a little kid who wants and craves attention...

"Jordan is the best thing since sliced bread. I hate lebron james and make posts that are hot takes so I can be memorable in this world of vanity. "

Keep it up sport. Many other topics we can discuss.


I'm merely pointing out the misperceptions about Lebron and his career

The things I post aren't my opinion - they're the historical record - it's the historical record that Lebron isn't an assist target (low assisted rate) and he lowers teammate assists, which lowers the TEAM'S assists.. That's just 1 example...

It's the historical record that he doesn't take contested jumpers and defers them to lesser teammates (the tracking data shows this).. It isn't a mystery that he lacks elite jumpshooting skill, which obviously reduces the team's capacity for sophisticated strategy (ball movement).

This stuff is historical record and objective fact, not my opinion









Why are the Lakers 5-7 without LeBron despite having all this talent?

Bulls won 55 games without MJ.





You're making my point - the current Lakers aren't winning despite super talent because of weak strategy/brand of ball, while the 94' Bulls won 55 with weak talent because of 3-peat strategy/brand of ball/experience.

Regardless, after the honeymoon period of surprise factor ended in the 2nd Round of the 94' Playoffs, the 95' Bulls were borderline lottery and cratering fast, so consider how severe the downward trajectory was from 3-peat dynasty to lottery in less than 2 years.. 1995 was the REAL bulls without MJ and they sucked

[warriorfan]

This thread is rat poison for the LeBron stans :roll:

[SATAN]

AD has not been playing hard since the chip. He is often moving slow and playing passive. The majority of Laker fans will tell you that. And you are an absolute moron, OP.

[ShawkFactory]

This thread is rat poison for the LeBron stans :roll:

Not really. No one actually believes that AD is the problem

[3ba11]

AD has not been playing hard since the chip. He is often moving slow and playing passive. The majority of Laker fans will tell you that. And you are an absolute moron, OP.


Awww poor baby... AD not gonna carry old Bron to the chip... :cry:

The problem is that he still might - it's not like he's seriously hurt and they're obviously going to protect him the rest of the year.. He could come alive in time to carry the Lakers to another ring - he already lifted lottery Lakers to champion, so lifting a 1st round loser should be even easier.

[RRR3]

Look at the expectations 3ball has for LeBron at almost 37. Kobe at 37? Worst player in the league. MJ? Retired. LeBron though? He has to be perfect or he sucks. 3ball obviously thinks LeBron is the best ever.

[SATAN]

Awww poor baby... AD not gonna carry old Bron to the chip... :cry:



Grow up. Didn't read whatever the other nonsense was.

[3ba11]

Look at the expectations 3ball has for LeBron at almost 37. Kobe at 37? Worst player in the league. MJ? Retired. LeBron though? He has to be perfect or he sucks. 3ball obviously thinks LeBron is the best ever.


Do you think Lebron will score 100 points in 2 games (50 ppg) like MJ did at 38 years old?

So that would be NEXT season for Lebron - do you think Lebron is capable of that THIS season, let alone NEXT?... lol... of course not... he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to achieve goat scoring levels without any athleticism.. or the pure scoring ability.. MJ could get in shooting form/position quicker than anyone in history, even at 39

[RRR3]

Do you think Lebron will score 100 points in 2 games (50 ppg) like MJ did at 38 years old?

So that would be NEXT season for Lebron - do you think Lebron is capable of that THIS season, let alone NEXT?... lol... of course not... he lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to achieve goat scoring levels without any athleticism.. or the pure scoring ability.. MJ could get in shooting form/position quicker than anyone in history, even at 39
You can’t seriously think MJ was even close to current LeBron at 38 lmao. His TS% was 46.8% lmfao. Yes LeBron could score 100 in two games if he chucked up garbage like that. His TS% is 59.1%

[Axe]

This thread is rat poison for the LeBron stans :roll:
Stephen curry hasn't had a playoff berth without andre iguodala in the last five years.

[kawhileonard2]

And he's a near-equal-scoring partner to Lebron...

The Lakers have 2 guys that are producing better than Pippen ever did, yet the Lakers are .500 - so Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance is a massive underachiever of talent when you consider this Laker team, the 2019 lottery team, and being lottery in 2005 despite the East all-star center, while going 3/7 with super-teams from 11-17'

Ultimately, the historical record will always show Lebron to be an underachieving loser regardless of how much his fans/media lie about him

No idea!

[Axe]

You're making my point - the current Lakers aren't winning despite super talent because of weak strategy/brand of ball, while the 94' Bulls won 55 with weak talent because of 3-peat strategy/brand of ball/experience.
But i thought you said the triangle was trash and overrated? Now you see those don't happen without its existence?

[999Guy]

if Prime Clint Capela were on the Lakers he’d lead in those too.

And he’s be better than Davis.

AD stinks. His offense is regressive post up play that’s been phased out due to inefficiency unless you’re Embiid or Jokic AKA better. And just tons and tons of face up jumper bricks. He’s one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

And his defense is pathetic. Like truly pathetic. He makes no effort to protect the rim, always finding himself on switches and stuck on islands where he gets torched.

When he does drop in the pick and roll, he’s clearly lost some athleticism so his timing and resistance is just mediocre.

He’s not banging and rebounding at a high level, making high effort plays, or disrupting at all. He’s been one of the worst defensive bigs in the league.

LA’s been better with Dwight on the court. They’ve been better without AD all year.

He’s a rim running big man. Boxscore stats are inherent. But all the stuff that distinguishes role playing rim runners from superstars(Creating shots for himself and teammates, defensive impact), he’s been shit.

[999Guy]

And just so people don’t think I’m bullshitting, teams are shooting BETTER at the rim against Davis.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612747

I’ve never seen that from any young big man. Just young, not even athletic or supposedly elite

37 year old LeBron is better than AD at everything on a court. Everything literally except offensive rebounding. Dumb thread from a delusional poster.