MJ would destroy every team in history with a 3rd all-star on team like Lebron had

[3ba11]

Lebron lost 3 times with a 3rd all-star teammate (11', 14', 17')

and his loss with a super-team in 14' was worse than his loss in 07' with an 01' Iverson-like cast

It's called FRAUD.. LeFraud

[AirBonner]

MJ couldn’t destroy with prime Larry Houghes (better player than Pippen)

[TheCorporation]

Complete List of Finals won with 1 all NBA vs 3 all NBA

• 2016 LeBron

That's the list. NEXT

[3ba11]

Complete List of Finals won with 1 all NBA vs 3 all NBA

• 2016 LeBron

That's the list. NEXT


wade was all-nba caliber in 11' or 12', so Lebron had the same all-nba teammate as Jordan plus an extra perennial all-star teammate (bosh)

and Wade achieved prime Pippen stats from 13-16' - he nearly made the 16' ECF with 21/5/5 and 21 PER, aka prime Pippen-caliber - so he was still all-nba based on pippen's standard of performance for all-nba

Ultimately, the point is that Lebron's teams had 3 good players and the Bulls only 2

[TheCorporation]

wade was all-nba caliber in 11' or 12', so Lebron had the same all-nba teammate as Jordan plus an extra perennial all-star teammate (bosh)

and Wade achieved prime Pippen stats from 13-16' - he nearly made the 16' ECF with 21/5/5 and 21 PER, aka prime Pippen-caliber - so he was still all-nba based on pippen's standard of performance for all-nba

Ultimately, the point is that Lebron's teams had 3 good players and the Bulls only 2


Dumb logic once again :lol

If the Bulls only had "2 good players" and according to you Scottie sucked yet he outscored his Finals opposition 5 of 6 times, even once outscoring the #1 option as well, then does that mean MJ faced teams with only 1 star while he always had ateast 2?

[2much_knowledge]

Thats overkill. He only needs one allstar at a time. Just like Kobe

[warriorfan]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Pau Gasol as a second option when he won

[3ba11]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Paul Gasol as a second option when he won




And to add onto that...

2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4 BPM

So Lebron was added to Kobe-Pau II (wade/bosh) but went 2/4 including goat choke and record loss

[AirBonner]

Steph Curry is a better shooter than MJ ever was

[3ba11]

Steph Curry is a better shooter than MJ ever was


Not on:


* 2-point jumpshots

* clutch jumpers

* contested jumpers


:confusedshrug:



And Curry would've had a weaker 3-point percentage like MJ if he limited himself to 1 bailout (end-of-shotclock) per game like MJ did

Good form shoots better at higher volume and MJ always shot well above bailout volume, such as the 90' or 93' seasons, or the 93' Playoffs and of course the 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts)

That being said, I have Curry in my top 5 based on his knowledge of how to WIN (organic) versus team-hopping, and also his ability to defeat max defensive attention by averaging far more than teammates in the 15' Playoffs and Finals.. These pure basketball feats make him top 5 coupled with his era-changing game and jumpshooting style that yields the best teammate fits/team strategy/team ceilings

[Johnny32]

unlikely. mj's ball hogging chuck style only won in an offensively challenged era.

[Axe]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Pau Gasol as a second option when he won


While stephen curry hasn't made the playoffs without klay thompson and the finals without andre iguodala.

[AirBonner]

Not on:


* 2-point jumpshots

* clutch jumpers

* contested jumpers


:confusedshrug:



And Curry would've had a weaker 3-point percentage like MJ if he limited himself to 1 bailout (end-of-shotclock) per game like MJ did

Good form shoots better at higher volume and MJ always shot well above bailout volume, such as the 90' or 93' seasons, or the 93' Playoffs and of course the 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts)

That being said, I have Curry in my top 5 based on his knowledge of how to WIN (organic) versus team-hopping, and also his ability to defeat max defensive attention by averaging far more than teammates in the 15' Playoffs and Finals.. These pure basketball feats make him top 5 coupled with his era-changing game and jumpshooting style that yields the best teammate fits/team strategy/team ceilings

Shots fired at warriorfan

[Johnny32]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Pau Gasol as a second option when he won



your stats aren't accurate clown.

[Johnny32]

gasol's real stats in mem as a second option to rudy gay before the trade.

19 ppg on 14 fga and 57 ts%, 9 rpg, 3 apg.

[SaintzFury13]

Love stats Pre-LeBron - 26/13/2/59% TS

Bosh stats Pre-LeBron - 24/11/2/59% TS

Pau stats Pre-Kobe - 19/8/3/59% TS

It's safe to say that Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were both better than Pau Gasol before they joined with their new teams

LeBron needed Bosh and Love as third options when he won

Kobe had Pau Gasol as a second option when he won



Love wasn't even Cleveland's third option in the 2016 finals when they won.

This is why I've stopped coming on this site. The amount of retards here has legitimately made me question my life and what I'm doing with it.

[3ba11]

Love wasn't even Cleveland's third option in the 2016 finals when they won.

This is why I've stopped coming on this site. The amount of retards here has legitimately made me question my life and what I'm doing with it.


Love was the Cavs' third best player, so don't play dumb just because you can't refute the obvious point that Kobe won with a Bosh or Love caliber sidekick, while Lebron needed these guys as his 3rd option or 3rd best player, however you want to articulate it..




Love wasn't even Cleveland's third option in the 2016 finals when they won.

This is why I've stopped coming on this site. The amount of retards here has legitimately made me question my life and what I'm doing with it.


2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4 BPM

So Lebron was added to Kobe-Pau II (wade/bosh) but went 2/4 including goat choke and record loss

[JohnMax]

This clown says Kukoc was better than Pippen which would mean Bulls had 3 stars. That doesn't even include Rodman who could also be considered a star because he made top 75 list.

[3ba11]

This clown says Kukoc was better than Pippen which would mean Bulls had 3 stars. That doesn't even include Rodman who could also be considered a star because he made top 75 list.


There was no Kukoc or Rodman during the 1st three-peat

And Pippen was the only all-star that Jordan ever played with (6 rings), while everyone else in history needed many all-star teammates during their careers

[000]

But 3ball, wait a second. Have you considered that if MJ had another Pippen by his side, he might've only averaged 32 on 65%TS instead of 35 on 60%TS in the Finals?

And therefore, it's okay for Legoat to lose 400 times in the Finals?

Have you??? BOOM roasted

[3ba11]

But 3ball, wait a second. Have you considered that if MJ had another Pippen by his side, he might've only averaged 32 on 65%TS instead of 35 on 60%TS in the Finals?

And therefore, it's okay for Legoat to lose 400 times in the Finals?

Have you??? BOOM roasted


If MJ had a 3rd star/pippen, then he would've won from 88-90' and have 9+ rings.

Accordingly, any reduction in stats is offset by winning 9+ chips as the best player, which would make him more goat than his current 6 as the best player.. Modern era ring count as the best player has always been MJ's primary goat case.

So the issue for Lebron vs MJ has always been that Lebron only won 4 despite having 3rd stars, while MJ would have 9+, as described previously.

[000]

If MJ had a 3rd star/pippen, then he would've won from 88-90' and have 9+ rings.

Accordingly, any reduction in stats is offset by winning 9+ chips as the best player, which would make him more goat than his current 6 as the best player.. Modern era ring count as the best player has always been MJ's primary goat case.

So the issue for Lebron vs MJ has always been that Lebron only won 4 despite having 3rd stars, while MJ would have 9+, as described previously.

:whatever:

[AirBonner]

What I learned in this thread: lebrons 3rd option in the 2016 finals was an 8ppg Kevin love

[3ba11]

:whatever:


4 chips with super-teams (3rd all-star) is trash

Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

Imagine getting a bunch of free Finals trips by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning..... And then losing most of those Finals with said super-teams

[Johnny32]

4 chips with super-teams (3rd all-star) is trash

Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

Imagine getting a bunch of free Finals trips by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning..

not everyone's toughest finals opp is the corpses of malone and stockton.

[3ba11]

not everyone's toughest finals opp is the corpses of malone and stockton.


Stockton, Hornacek and company demolished the same Popovich/Duncan that ragdoll Lebron and confirmed this win by sweeping Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers - so only MJ could beat them

[Johnny32]

Stockton, Hornacek and company demolished the same Popovich/Duncan that ragdoll Lebron and confirmed this win by sweeping Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers - so only MJ could beat them

td was a rookie. congratulations jazz!

[Lebron23]

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[3ba11]

td was a rookie. congratulations jazz!


Rookie Duncan was 23-years old and the most prepared rookie ever and > 07' Duncan or 13/14 that destroyed Heat

Yet him, and Robinson and Popovich were destroyed by Hornacek and company

[k0kakw0rld]

stfu op, go away

[Axe]

not everyone's toughest finals opp is the corpses of malone and stockton.
Durrr

I've heard da 2020 miami heat were one of da weakest finals teams from da east also

Hurrr

[3ba11]

stfu op, go away


How many more rings for Michael from 85-98' if he had an extra all-star teammate (3 all-star team) like Lebron had, or a teammate to out-produce him like 20' AD???... Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.

[SouBeachTalents]

How many more rings for Michael from 85-98' if he had an extra all-star teammate (3 all-star team) like Lebron had, or a teammate to out-produce him like 20' AD???... Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer.
Yes he did, he won in 2013 with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg and led the Heat in points by 10 ppg, as well as assists, rebounds and steals. No team in history has ever been considered a superteam with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg.

[AirBonner]

Yes he did, he won in 2013 with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg and led the Heat in points by 10 ppg, as well as assists, rebounds and steals. No team in history has ever been considered a superteam with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg.
Checkmate. PER tho?

[3ba11]

Yes he did, he won in 2013 with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg and led the Heat in points by 10 ppg, as well as assists, rebounds and steals. No team in history has ever been considered a superteam with a 2nd option averaging 16 ppg.


Dwight won the conference with a 1-star team, so it's no surprise that a big 3 didn't need elite production from everyone to win it - but in the Finals, Wade was Lebron's equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so lebron NEVER defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals like jordan ALWAYS did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dwight won the conference with a 1-star team, so it's no surprise that a big 3 didn't need elite production from everyone to win it - but in the Finals, Wade was Lebron's equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so lebron NEVER defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals like jordan ALWAYS did.
25.3 is equal to 19.6? I think you need a tutorial in basic math

[Hey Yo]

Dwight won the conference with a 1-star team, so it's no surprise that a big 3 didn't need elite production from everyone to win it - but in the Finals, Wade was Lebron's equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention, so lebron NEVER defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals like jordan ALWAYS did.

Dwight had All-star Rashard Lewis in 09' when they won the conference.

LeBron had zero AS teammates while winning the East in 07'

[sdot_thadon]

Except, he already did Op.

https://ansel.frgimages.com/chicago-bulls/dennis-rodman-signed-96-bulls-72-10-16x20-photo-autograph-~-bas-coa_ss2_p-12976537+u-kwk874vbp6839wwoypam+v-f1e1c2da9dbe46ccb786dc6853608f3c.jpg?_hv=1&w=900

[Johnny32]

17 warriors should do a signed championship poster.

"73-9+kd just to beat legoat"

[SATAN]

Except, he already did OP.

https://www.ozy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/72253657.jpg?w=660

https://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/BIL-BJ-ALLSTARs.jpg

[SaintzFury13]

Love was the Cavs' third best player, so don't play dumb just because you can't refute the obvious point that Kobe won with a Bosh or Love caliber sidekick, while Lebron needed these guys as his 3rd option or 3rd best player, however you want to articulate it..

Yeah, and what were Loves numbers in that series retard? And compare them to Gasols numbers while you’re at it.

[2much_knowledge]

Kinda obvious. Dude didn't even had a 3 game losing streak in his prime. And that was only with one allstar at a time. 6 - 0 with no game 7s

[SATAN]

Kinda obvious. Dude didn't even had a 3 game losing streak in his prime. And that was only with one allstar at a time. 6 - 0 with no game 7s

To be fair, LeBron wouldn't lose a single game to a bunch of mechanics and grocery baggers.

[Johnny32]

Kinda obvious. Dude didn't even had a 3 game losing streak in his prime. And that was only with one allstar at a time. 6 - 0 with no game 7s

how many all nba/all defensive teammates did his opp's have?

[Baller789]

To be fair, LeBron wouldn't lose a single game to a bunch of mechanics and grocery baggers.

Yeah but he sure lost to a part time accountant.

https://i.ibb.co/k2Kb4Td/images-6.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[000]

4 chips with super-teams (3rd all-star) is trash

Lebron never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

Imagine getting a bunch of free Finals trips by forming super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were winning..... And then losing most of those Finals with said super-teams
:facepalm
:whatever:

[SaintzFury13]

25.3 is equal to 19.6? I think you need a tutorial in basic math

Funny part is that he used to claim you need to average at least 5 more points than your teammate to prove you could carry them. Once his dumbass got proven wrong (since LeBron actually did it twice), he changed it to ten.


So scoring-wise, Lebron needs a 1b sidekick to win - Lebron never averaged more than 5 points above his sidekick in the Finals so he can't carry the scoring load like Jordan... It's night and day.

[2much_knowledge]

To be fair, LeBron wouldn't lose a single game to a bunch of mechanics and grocery baggers.

Yet, he did share the court with 7 of the top 10 players ever tho

[SouBeachTalents]

Yet, he did share the court with 7 of the top 10 players ever tho
What kind of bullshit is this :oldlol:

He never faced Kareem or Hakeem in the playoffs. He avoided facing Hakeem during his baseball years, and Kareem was retired by the time the Bulls started winning.

Bird beat him soundly whenever they went h2h, and he was a shell of himself by the time the Bulls started winning.

Duncan was a rookie and Kobe was a bench player. He faced them a grand total of 6 times during his Bulls tenure.

So with the slightest bit of context, he beat Magic once and split two series with Shaq.

[3ba11]

So with the slightest bit of context, he beat Magic once and split two series with Shaq.





Magic and Shaq rank higher than anyone Lebron beat

And Jordan mostly lost with lottery teams and low seeds, while Lebron lost with title teams, top seeds and defending champion teams..

Jordan never lost with 1 or 2 seeds, while everyone else in history lost 5+ times with 1 or 2 seeds..

So again, if we gave MJ an extra all-star (3 all-star team) like Lebron had, he would demolish every team in history.

[SouBeachTalents]

Magic and Shaq rank higher than anyone Lebron beat

And Jordan mostly lost with lottery teams and low seeds, while Lebron lost with title teams, top seeds and defending champion teams..

Jordan never lost with 1 or 2 seeds, while everyone else in history lost 5+ times with 1 or 2 seeds..

So again, if we gave MJ an extra all-star (3 all-star team) like Lebron had, he would demolish every team in history.
You think 19.6 is equal to 25.3, so who cares what you think :lol

[WhiteKyrie]

He did it with just Scottie Pippen. Of course he would with another legit all star.

[3ba11]

You think 19.6 is equal to 25.3, so who cares what you think :lol


Wade's 19.6 outscored the opposing 1st option and helped avoid an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% thru 3 games.

Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to save him..

So Game 7 almost doesn't count because it required teammate bailout (arguably the goat shot).. Regardless, Lebron didn't dominate in that series (locked up by donut boy and trash before Ray saved him) and had zero plus/minus or a negative net rating (Heat didn't win with him on the floor).

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade's 19.6 outscored the opposing 1st option and helped avoid an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% thru 3 games.

Lebron's 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Allen to save him..

So Game 7 almost doesn't count because it required teammate bailout (arguably the goat shot).. Regardless, Lebron didn't dominate in that series (locked up by donut boy and trash before Ray saved him) and had zero plus/minus or a negative net rating (Heat didn't win with him on the floor).
Pippen outscored Magic then nearly outscored Drexler in their first two Finals, and he put up much better production across the board than 2013 Wade did.

And the bolded is so laughably stupid it’s honestly hard to believe anybody could believe it. Yeah, Game 7 of the Finals, literally the biggest game the sport can have, doesn’t count :oldlol:

[RRR3]

2016 Curry is better than anyone MJ ever beat. Pre-prime Shaq and old Magic lol.

[RRR3]

Pippen outscored Magic then nearly outscored Drexler in their first two Finals, and he put up much better production across the board than 2013 Wade did.

And the bolded is so laughably stupid it’s honestly hard to believe anybody could believe it. Yeah, Game 7 of the Finals, literally the biggest game the sport can have, doesn’t count :oldlol:
I honestly can’t imagine him functioning in real life. He’s shockingly stupid.

[3ba11]

Pippen outscored Magic then nearly outscored Drexler in their first two Finals, and he put up much better production across the board than 2013 Wade did.





Wade's 20 means more than Pippen's because Wade was a near-equal scoring partner to Lebron, while Pippen was carried by Jordan.

Since Wade/Lebron were near-equal scoring partners, they attracted similar defensive attention, which means Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals, while Jordan always did (6/6).






And the bolded is so laughably stupid it’s honestly hard to believe anybody could believe it. Yeah, Game 7 of the Finals, literally the biggest game the sport can have, doesn’t count :oldlol:





Lebron was horrible in the 13' Finals compared to any of Jordan's

Keep in mind that Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to get a 3-0 lead in the 96' Finals, while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% and therefore needed Ray Allen to prevent his carefully, manufactured career from collapsing like a jenga puzzle.

I'm always amused by people that get duped, so Lebron fans/media amuse the hell outta me

[Airupthere]

Wade's 20 means more than Pippen's because Wade was a near-equal scoring partner to Lebron, while Pippen was carried by Jordan.

Since Wade/Lebron were near-equal scoring partners, they attracted similar defensive attention, which means Lebron never defeated maximum defensive attention in the Finals, while Jordan always did (6/6).






Lebron was horrible in the 13' Finals compared to any of Jordan's

Keep in mind that Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to get a 3-0 lead in the 96' Finals, while Lebron wet the bed with 16 on 39% and therefore needed Ray Allen miracle

I'm always amused by people that get duped, so Lebron fans/media amuse the hell outta me

The Lebron and Wade pair, not even mentioning Bosh in the group, led to both of them mutually being able to do perform on offense with much more ease. Both averaged their career fg% playing together. Career 48% for Wade but he was able to do 55% playing with Lebron and Bosh. Since offense is easier to generate now, I dont think there is enough appreciation for the load that Jordan had to perform on offense playing with the Bulls. It was needed and he put up those numbers while getting a lot of the defensive attention.

[2much_knowledge]

What kind of bullshit is this :oldlol:

He never faced Kareem or Hakeem in the playoffs. He avoided facing Hakeem during his baseball years, and Kareem was retired by the time the Bulls started winning.

Bird beat him soundly whenever they went h2h, and he was a shell of himself by the time the Bulls started winning.

Duncan was a rookie and Kobe was a bench player. He faced them a grand total of 6 times during his Bulls tenure.

So with the slightest bit of context, he beat Magic once and split two series with Shaq.

Shared = playing in the same game.

GOD!!!!

[SaintzFury13]

Magic and Shaq rank higher than anyone Lebron beat

And Jordan mostly lost with lottery teams and low seeds, while Lebron lost with title teams, top seeds and defending champion teams..

Jordan never lost with 1 or 2 seeds, while everyone else in history lost 5+ times with 1 or 2 seeds..

So again, if we gave MJ an extra all-star (3 all-star team) like Lebron had, he would demolish every team in history.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what Kevin Love's stats were in the 2016 NBA Finals. Please, by all means, tell us what they were and why they were instrumental to Cleveland winning.

[SaintzFury13]

I'm always amused by people that get duped, so Lebron fans/media amuse the hell outta me

You heard it here folks. Game 7 being important is nothing more than a media creation.

[Charlie Sheen]

This argument cuts both ways. Lebron might destroy every team in history if he had ~10 years of continuity at head coach and championship quality teammates.

Neither one chose the other guy's path, so who really cares in the end.

[SaintzFury13]

This argument cuts both ways. Lebron might destroy every team in history if he had ~10 years of continuity at head coach and championship quality teammates.

Neither one chose the other guy's path, so who really cares in the end.

3ball cares apparently, because he won't stop talking about it.