What would steph score in the 90's without Hindsight?

[Bronbron23]

Sure if you dropped steph in the 90's with the current philosophy of pace and 3>2 and with an open minded coach steph would absolutely come close to doing what he's doing now. Defenses were aloud to handcheck and be more physical so that would account for 2-3 less points a game but he'd still be one of the best scorers in the game.

What if he didn't have Hindsight though and like every other great perimeter shooter he only shot 4 or 5 threes and he had to play inside out more and the game was at a snails pace. What would he score then? I say he'd be about 6-8 points less so maybe he'd be around 20-22 pts a game.

[expansionera]

The best point guard of the era apparently couldn’t even dribble with his left hand. With teams unable to double up or play zone on him Steph would incinerate primitive defenses and the slow footed guards of the era.

35ppg 6apg (would be more but no one could shoot at this time) 8rpg

[FromDowntown]

The best point guard of the era apparently couldn’t even dribble with his left hand. With teams unable to double up or play zone on him Steph would incinerate primitive defenses and the slow footed guards of the era.

35ppg 6apg (would be more but no one could shoot at this time) 8rpg

there it is

curry would mind blow out 90s players that dribble 1 handed and dont shoot range.

curry without double teams might, miiiight even get 40 ppg in 90s defense settings

[Airupthere]

Lol, I dont think anyone would understand what you mean by "without hindsight" here.

[Bronbron23]

The best point guard of the era apparently couldn’t even dribble with his left hand. With teams unable to double up or play zone on him Steph would incinerate primitive defenses and the slow footed guards of the era.

35ppg 6apg (would be more but no one could shoot at this time) 8rpg

So even with steph shooting 4-5 threes a game he'd score 35 pts a game on 2's in a packed mid and post area? Great take bud:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

Lol, I dont think anyone would understand what you mean by "without hindsight" here.

Dosn't look like it so far:oldlol:

[Dr. Lemon]

OP seems to be a 40+ year old going through a mid-life crisis and projecting those insecurities on a basketball message board.

You're old. It's okay.

[Bronbron23]

OP seems to be a 40+ year old going through a mid-life crisis and projecting those insecurities on a basketball message board.

You're old. It's okay.

That's wrong and not an answer buddy but clearly It's you who's obviously insecure because you can't answer the question.

[expansionera]

So even with steph shooting 4-5 threes a game he'd score 35 pts a game on 2's in a packed mid and post area? Great take bud:facepalm

*jukes one time*
*defender falls flat on his ass like that weak ass crossover Jordan did on Byron Russell*
*shoots automatic wide open mid range because the help defender is late due to 90s defensive rules*

Repeat x45,000, Steph is the probable GOAT in that weak era. You have to remember there were NO historically stacked teams outside of the Bulls and Curry has the benefit of having watched these guys play growing up. It’s no disrespect to them, athletes are better today as a result of the strides made by their predecessors.

[Bronbron23]

*jukes one time*
*defender falls flat on his ass like that weak ass crossover Jordan did on Byron Russell*
*shoots automatic wide open mid range because the help defender is late due to 90s defensive rules*

Repeat x45,000, Steph is the probable GOAT in that weak era. You have to remember there were NO historically stacked teams outside of the Bulls and Curry has the benefit of having watched these guys play growing up. It’s no disrespect to them, athletes are better today as a result of the strides made by their predecessors.

Holy shit dude let me say this one more time. "Without Hindsight"

Does anyone in this shit hole know what Hindsight means :facepalm

[lilblingy]

He'd probably need a season or two of solid 20ishppg scoring on high efficiency and about 5-6 threes a game(sprinkle in some of his absurd shots here and there) to convince his coach that his antics shouldn't have him benched. But once he does, he would completely destroy the league similar to what he did in 2016 except it would be even more shocking. He would completely change how the rest of 90s basketball and forward is played. Kids would want to be like steph similar to how they wanted to be like Mike.

Moving a shooter of Curry's caliber from one era to the next doesn't change his ability to make a shot. That's skill. That will remain regardless of when or where he plays. What does change is the type of defense that gets thrown his way, the rules and the norms of that specific Era. Initially, his defender wouldn't even know what to do with him so he'd easily get to 20points off defenders not defending his range and quick shot properly. So if he gets a coach that does allow him to play freely. He would destroy the league.

If we are going to try to remove hindsight, we also have to not give defenders and the league foresight on how to defend curry. He would kill everybody cept maybe the likes of Gary payton

[Bronbron23]

He'd probably need a season or two of solid 20ishppg scoring on high efficiency and about 5-6 threes a game(sprinkle in some of his absurd shots here and there) to convince his coach that his antics shouldn't have him benched. But once he does, he would completely destroy the league similar to what he did in 2016 except it would be even more shocking. He would completely change how the rest of 90s basketball and forward is played. Kids would want to be like steph similar to how they wanted to be like Mike.

Moving a shooter of Curry's caliber from one era to the next doesn't change his ability to make a shot. That's skill. That will remain regardless of when or where he plays. What does change is the type of defense that gets thrown his way, the rules and the norms of that specific Era. Initially, his defender wouldn't even know what to do with him so he'd easily get to 20points off defenders not defending his range and quick shot properly. So if he gets a coach that does allow him to play freely. He would destroy the league.

So when u say completely destroy the league like 15-16 you mean he would completely destroy the league in the regular season and then kinda destroy them in the first three rounds and then he'd get completely destroyed in the finals by the significantly better best player in the league?

[000]

So even with steph shooting 4-5 threes a game he'd score 35 pts a game on 2's in a packed mid and post area? Great take bud:facepalm
Right? What if Steph only shot 0 threes a game and the opponent was allowed to kick him in the balls, how would he score then???

[lilblingy]

So when u say completely destroy the league like 15-16 you mean he would completely destroy the league in the regular season and then kinda destroy them in the first three rounds and then he'd get completely destroyed in the finals by the significantly better best player in the league?

Title of the thread is what would he score in the 90s. Yeah he'd destroy the league and score over 30 per game with ease. Teams are out there game planning to stop elite big man's. Not some dude shooting from near half court and making it consistently. As for what happens in the playoffs, idk. Maybe he gets an injury that visibly makes him lose a step again, or maybe his team mate get suspended in an important game again and he chokes. Who knows. What I do know is, no team from that era is stopping him from averaging 30. Idk where people are coming from talking about Mark price, Dell curry, etc. Those guys don't even come close to curry as a three point shooter let alone all the dribbling and shot creation curry does. You pair curry with an elite big or slasher from the 90s....How do u stop that?

[SATAN]

11 ppg coming off the bench

[Bronbron23]

Title of the thread is what would he score in the 90s. Yeah he'd destroy the league and score over 30 per game with ease. Teams are out there game planning to stop elite big man's. Not some dude shooting from near half court and making it consistently. As for what happens in the playoffs, idk. Maybe he gets an injury that visibly makes him lose a step again, or maybe his team mate get suspended in an important game again and he chokes. Who knows. What I do know is, no team from that era is stopping him from averaging 30. Idk where people are coming from talking about Mark price, Dell curry, etc. Those guys don't even come close to curry as a three point shooter let alone all the dribbling and shot creation curry does. You pair curry with an elite big or slasher from the 90s....How do u stop that?

I agree those comparisons are dumb but those guys woud certainly score more now due to more threes and scoring being easier. And i don't think you ever watched 90's ball dude. Defenders were aloud to ride guys 90 feet. With more physicality steph is definitely scoring less or at the very least scoring the same but with less efficiency. We've seen this numerous times in the finals.

It's interesting that people like you think steph would shoot 10 threes a game in the 90's but he didn't even do it just 10 years ago when threes were much less than they are now. You realize steph didn't shoot more threes until the league shot more threes right? Again he wouldn't have Hindsight and as far as i know he's not clairvoyant. Larry bird who was 6'10 and could hit threes just as crazy as steph shot 3 threes a game in his prime. Luka who dosn't shoot anywhere near as good as bird shoots 3 times more than that.

You guys are insane with these takes man. Steph would shoot the same as every other great shooter in the league in the 90's

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11 ppg coming off the bench

But a 5’10 165lb guard averaged 26ppg and made the all star team? Lmao nostalgia heads are something else

[Bronbron23]

But a 5’10 165lb guard averaged 26ppg and made the all star team? Lmao nostalgia heads are something else

Damn that's almost as good as a certain player from this era that was the same scoring 29 ppg qnd making the all star team.

[ShawkFactory]

He'd probably need a season or two of solid 20ishppg scoring on high efficiency and about 5-6 threes a game(sprinkle in some of his absurd shots here and there) to convince his coach that his antics shouldn't have him benched. But once he does, he would completely destroy the league similar to what he did in 2016 except it would be even more shocking. He would completely change how the rest of 90s basketball and forward is played. Kids would want to be like steph similar to how they wanted to be like Mike.

Moving a shooter of Curry's caliber from one era to the next doesn't change his ability to make a shot. That's skill. That will remain regardless of when or where he plays. What does change is the type of defense that gets thrown his way, the rules and the norms of that specific Era. Initially, his defender wouldn't even know what to do with him so he'd easily get to 20points off defenders not defending his range and quick shot properly. So if he gets a coach that does allow him to play freely. He would destroy the league.

If we are going to try to remove hindsight, we also have to not give defenders and the league foresight on how to defend curry. He would kill everybody cept maybe the likes of Gary payton

That's kind of what happened with him already though. Maybe not the benched part but he didn't come into the league launching 10 threes a game.

He could have.

[expansionera]

Damn that's almost as good as a certain player from this era that was the same scoring 29 ppg qnd making the all star team.

Which somehow means, for you, Curry would be relegated to the bench in a “tough defensive era” with no zone defense? :coleman: Embarrassing

[lilblingy]

I agree those comparisons are dumb but those guys woud certainly score more now due to more threes and scoring being easier. And i don't think you ever watched 90's ball dude. Defenders were aloud to ride guys 90 feet. With more physicality steph is definitely scoring less or at the very least scoring the same but with less efficiency. We've seen this numerous times in the finals.

It's interesting that people like you think steph would shoot 10 threes a game in the 90's but he didn't even do it just 10 years ago when threes were much less than they are now. You realize steph didn't shoot more threes until the league shot more threes right? Again he wouldn't have Hindsight and as far as i know he's not clairvoyant. Larry bird who was 6'10 and could hit threes just as crazy as steph shot 3 threes a game in his prime. Luka who dosn't shoot anywhere near as good as bird shoots 3 times more than that.

You guys are insane with these takes man. Steph would shoot the same as every other great shooter in the league in the 90's

Let's just call this whole conversation and thread pointless then. It makes no sense to take a player and remove his tendencies. If you remove his tendencies, then you're changing his playstyle and he isn't even the same player anymore. The Steph curry we have now is not the same as the Steph curry we had 10 years ago. He is a lot more aggressive now and he shoots the three ball more than he did before like you said. It's like trying to put LeBron in a different era and telling him he can't drive and dunk as much...that's not lebron. Curry conforming to 90s style shot attempts is not steph curry.

[Bronbron23]

Which somehow means, for you, Curry would be relegated to the bench in a “tough defensive era” with no zone defense? :coleman: Embarrassing

Who said he be on the bench? I said he'd score 6-8 pts less a game. That's still 22-24 pts a game dude.

And the zone argument is such a bad one. Teams don't even play zone now other than the rare occasion where they'll sprinkle it in for a few minutes. Zones don't work in the nba

[expansionera]

Who said he be on the bench? I said he'd score 6-8 pts less a game. That's still 22-24 pts a game dude.

And the zone argument is such a bad one. Teams don't even play zone now other than the rare occasion where they'll sprinkle it in for a few minutes. Zones don't work in the nba

There were 437 zone possessions in the bubble alone, more than half the 718 possessions played in 2017-18, according to Synergy Sports data. Zone defense boomed in 2018-19 when that number ballooned to 3,824, and by the end of the 2020 regular season (bubble included), the total number was 5,361.

You just don’t know about basketball to determine what zone defense is unless someone points it out to you.

>Who said he’d be a bench player

The person I responded to stupid

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Extremely difficult question to answer. It's like asking what would Shaq do if he couldn't post up or dunk?

Curry has high IQ so i would imagine he would still find ways to just be the greatest mid range shooter of all time.

[Airupthere]

Let's just call this whole conversation and thread pointless then. It makes no sense to take a player and remove his tendencies. If you remove his tendencies, then you're changing his playstyle and he isn't even the same player anymore. The Steph curry we have now is not the same as the Steph curry we had 10 years ago. He is a lot more aggressive now and he shoots the three ball more than he did before like you said. It's like trying to put LeBron in a different era and telling him he can't drive and dunk as much...that's not lebron. Curry conforming to 90s style shot attempts is not steph curry.

That is why it's disingenuous to compare across eras. How good could jerry west's handles have been if he grew up playing modern ball? We don't know. The game progressed so much to allow more movement and capability for the offensive players since the 60s. If you transport harden back to the 80s-90s, as-is, how does officiating react to his gather step anyway? Or his flopping? So many factors to consider. Overall, what I can say is that the game changed. There is a lot more technique allowed for the offensive players nowadays that were simply limitations to players of the past, if you are to compare them.

I would agree with the other poster though. Curry has it. A shooter will always be a shooter. I don't doubt that he would still be a great shooter.

[SATAN]

He would score more than Kawhi.

[HoopsNY]

In Steph's first 6 seasons, he averaged 21 PPG on 47% FGs, 44% from the distance. Since then, he's averaged 28 PPG on 48% FGs, 42.5% FGs.

The real question is, why is there a significant difference between his first 6 seasons and his last 6? One might say he hit his prime/peak, but he also won MVP in 2014-15 where he averaged under 24 PPG.

What it boils down to is style of play and rules. Given that perimeter defense, three quarter court, half court, and full court presses were much more frequent, then one might assume that he is limited more so in the free style kinda play with more spacing that we've since the 2014 season.

In addition, the game slowed down progressively between 1994 and 1999. By 1999, teams averaged just 91 PPG. The game relied on half-court sets and was run through the post.

At the same time, there was a shortened three point line. When considering all of this, I think it's safe to say that Steph averages something similar but slightly lower PPG with slightly lower efficiency. 24-25 PPG sounds about right, as it is the midway point for what we have seen between his first six seasons and his last six. Does he peak at 30? Probably not, but 27-28 PPG might not be unreasonable, especially in 1996 or 1997. Mitch Richmond and Glen Rice put up similar numbers, and Steph is a more skilled player than the both of them.

[lilblingy]

It's silly to compare players across different eras. Im very confident someone like Jerry West playing in today's rules, having the advance training of today would be...insane. but, I will say one thing. Not everybody can just start shooting more and keep their insane efficiency. People underrate Steph in that aspect and act like any regular all star can just start jacking up 10+ 3s a game without ruining their efficiency. That's ridiculous. We haven't seen what the former players could do given currys 3 point shot attempt but we have seen what Curry himself is doing. If it was so easy, why isn't every superstar having 2016 curry level seasons these days?

[Bronbron23]

In Steph's first 6 seasons, he averaged 21 PPG on 47% FGs, 44% from the distance. Since then, he's averaged 28 PPG on 48% FGs, 42.5% FGs.

The real question is, why is there a significant difference between his first 6 seasons and his last 6? One might say he hit his prime/peak, but he also won MVP in 2014-15 where he averaged under 24 PPG.

What it boils down to is style of play and rules. Given that perimeter defense, three quarter court, half court, and full court presses were much more frequent, then one might assume that he is limited more so in the free style kinda play with more spacing that we've since the 2014 season.

In addition, the game slowed down progressively between 1994 and 1999. By 1999, teams averaged just 91 PPG. The game relied on half-court sets and was run through the post.

At the same time, there was a shortened three point line. When considering all of this, I think it's safe to say that Steph averages something similar but slightly slower with slightly lower efficiency. 24-25 PPG sounds about right, as it is the midway point for what we have seen between his first six seasons and his last six. Does he peak at 30? Probably not, but 27-28 PPG might not be unreasonable, especially in 1996 or 1997. Mitch Richmond and Glen Rice put up similar numbers, and Steph is a more skilled player than the both of them.

Good answer

[HoopsNY]

It's silly to compare players across different eras. Im very confident someone like Jerry West playing in today's rules, having the advance training of today would be...insane. but, I will say one thing. Not everybody can just start shooting more and keep their insane efficiency. People underrate Steph in that aspect and act like any regular all star can just start jacking up 10+ 3s a game without ruining their efficiency. That's ridiculous. We haven't seen what the former players could do given currys 3 point shot attempt but we have seen what Curry himself is doing. If it was so easy, why isn't every superstar having 2016 curry level seasons these days?

See my last comment. Thoughts?

[Airupthere]

That was a good post Hoops

[HoopsNY]

That was a good post Hoops

I appreciate it.

[lilblingy]

See my last comment. Thoughts?

I agree with it. So maybe the answer is, if curry was moved to the 90s, he wouldn't be steph curry anymore because style of play, rules, tempo of the game was completely different then.

[Baller789]

He would still be a superstar.
But he would be a different player.
Just as any superstar in any era would be.

[HoopsNY]

I agree with it. So maybe the answer is, if curry was moved to the 90s, he wouldn't be steph curry anymore because style of play, rules, tempo of the game was completely different then.

It's hard to say. Guys like Kenny Anderson, Abdul-Rauf, KJ, etc were prolific ball handlers and shot creators. Steph's ability to light it up from the outside makes him far more effective. Steph would be one of the best players in the 90s, and I have no doubt about that. The problem is, the modern fan thinks you have to jack up 13 threes a game and average 32 PPG to be one of the best.

If Steph has proven anything, it's his impact. And I personally think his impact would be significant, even if it's at 25 PPG on 46%. The Warriors won 67 games with him doing similar. Another great question is, what kind of offensive scheme and teammates does he have that allows for him to have more of a free reign on the perimeter?

I think that's an essential point. If his teammates include someone like Drazen, then yea, I think Steph leads that Nets team and he puts up 26-27 a night on similar shooting numbers he's doing now, which is significantly better than anything KJ, Abdul-Rauf, or Anderson put up as far as PPG goes in their tenure.

[BigShotBob]

Few notes.

*Shortened 3 pt line means that it's easier to close out. No one seems to understand this point at all.

*The NBA does NOT allow you to play a TRUE zone nowadays due to a lack of defensive 3 seconds. Defensive 3 seconds was why there were such thing as an "illegal defense" because loading up and zoning with a big man roaming in the paint stagnated the game. There is no need to play zone with dominant defenders sitting in the paint. It really should be called the Mutumbo rule because it was made to marginalize him. This means that Curry won't have as many free lanes to the basket.

*When Curry is on he's great, all time great, but there are times when his jump shot leaves him and it happens against teams that slow the tempo down. In the 2018 Finals Game 3 when Kevin Durant dropped 43 points Curry had an absolutely horrific 1-13 game. Greatest shooter ever and he still is subjected to shriveling up when it matters the most.

[2ball]

Muggsy averaged damn near a double double has a 4’9 player in the 90’s. Curry would be fine…

[Bronbron23]

Muggsy averaged damn near a double double has a 4’9 player in the 90’s. Curry would be fine…

He did that one season and it was exactly 10 and 10. Mugsy wasn't anywhere near the scorer curry is but he was q significantly better passer. Curry is extremely careless as a playmaker. The carefree play style that makes him fun to watch qlso leads to a shit ton of turnovers at times.

Yeah he'd be more than fine but how fine would he be? 22 pts fine? 25 pts fine? 30 maybe?

[FromDowntown]

OP seems to be a 40+ year old going through a mid-life crisis and projecting those insecurities on a basketball message board.

You're old. It's okay.

:yaohappy:

[FKAri]

The hindsight wouldn't need to be on his part. It would be the coaches who would otherwise not let him do what he does today. Maybe Don Nelson or George Karl would come around to it eventually but otherwise no.
And it would make a BIG difference. He would be a lot worse. He'd be a borderline all-star.

[iamgine]

Steph, like most great players, is great because of hindsight.

You drop him without hindsight he'd be Dell Curry.

[Bronbron23]

The hindsight wouldn't need to be on his part. It would be the coaches who would otherwise not let him do what he does today. Maybe Don Nelson or George Karl would come around to it eventually but otherwise no.
And it would make a BIG difference. He would be a lot worse. He'd be a borderline all-star.

I don't know. Steph and alot of perimeter players are unique in that they came up in an era where the 3 ball has increased alot. They're also in an era where the league put rules in place to make perimeter scoring alot easier. I don't think this accounts for as much lost points as some but i do think it's a factor.

[FKAri]

Steph, like most great players, is great because of hindsight.

You drop him without hindsight he'd be Dell Curry.

He'd be a lot better than Dell regardless. He would either be spotting up traditionally(post entry and sit on the 3pt line) or trying to generate his own points with his handle where he would get worn down over a game. They wouldn't run much action in the way they do today for him. But would he get the 3P-FGA's necessary to score a high volume?(and will they really tell someone shooting at his clip to stop it?). It's really hard to imagine how it would play out. It's a volatile thing that could go either way depending on his, his team's and the opponents' adjustments.

[999Guy]

In Steph's first 6 seasons, he averaged 21 PPG on 47% FGs, 44% from the distance. Since then, he's averaged 28 PPG on 48% FGs, 42.5% FGs.

The real question is, why is there a significant difference between his first 6 seasons and his last 6? One might say he hit his prime/peak, but he also won MVP in 2014-15 where he averaged under 24 PPG.

What it boils down to is style of play and rules. Given that perimeter defense, three quarter court, half court, and full court presses were much more frequent, then one might assume that he is limited more so in the free style kinda play with more spacing that we've since the 2014 season.

In addition, the game slowed down progressively between 1994 and 1999. By 1999, teams averaged just 91 PPG. The game relied on half-court sets and was run through the post.

At the same time, there was a shortened three point line. When considering all of this, I think it's safe to say that Steph averages something similar but slightly lower PPG with slightly lower efficiency. 24-25 PPG sounds about right, as it is the midway point for what we have seen between his first six seasons and his last six. Does he peak at 30? Probably not, but 27-28 PPG might not be unreasonable, especially in 1996 or 1997. Mitch Richmond and Glen Rice put up similar numbers, and Steph is a more skilled player than the both of them.

*****, Michael Adams did 20/10 efficiently in that era. Just stop it.


And the early to mid 10’s was defensive af.

The 2015 season saw some of the best defenses of the era. That was pre-space and paceZ it took until the 2015 finals last few games for GS to even experiment with going small with Dray at the 5. Bogut was a hyped starter those years.

They just did it way more in 2016 and blew the league away with the death lineup. And EVEN then, 2017’s NBA was the first real space and pace year, and it really took until 2019 with teams to put true big men in the dumpster because of the Rockets success with those Tucker at 5 lineups.

That’s a 3 year process. After 2015. Curry’s first MVP.


2012-2016’s NBA was balanced and not 3 point spammy at all, other than Curry.

[FKAri]

I don't know. Steph and alot of perimeter players are unique in that they came up in an era where the 3 ball has increased alot. They're also in an era where the league put rules in place to make perimeter scoring alot easier. I don't think this accounts for as much lost points as some but i do think it's a factor.

If basketball rules remain static, the playstyle of the game would still evolve over time. The conundrum is that we don't know if the shift to the current playstyle happened only because of the rules or was merely accelerated by the rules. It could be that having a team where almost everyone is a 3pt threat and shooting a lot of 3's is more optimal than what they were doing in the 90s even within those rules. Maybe it's not as effective as it is today but still better than the old way. It takes time to find exploits even if they are subtle. The hardest ones to find are those that cannot be approached by incremental changes.

Jordan and the Bulls changed the way everyone looks at the game by showing that a team built around a dynamic guard can overcome ones built around superstar bigs. But it no one was trying to do that until they showed that it could work.

[iamgine]

He'd be a lot better than Dell regardless. He would either be spotting up traditionally(post entry and sit on the 3pt line) or trying to generate his own points with his handle where he would get worn down over a game. They wouldn't run much action in the way they do today for him. But would he get the 3P-FGA's necessary to score a high volume?(and will they really tell someone shooting at his clip to stop it?). It's really hard to imagine how it would play out. It's a volatile thing that could go either way depending on his, his team's and the opponents' adjustments.

That doesn't sound like he'd be a lot better than Dell.

People would be surprised how much worse someone would be if they play without hindsight. Add to that Steph is a small guy thrown in a much more physical league. I think he'd be lucky to get to Dell level.

[expansionera]

That doesn't sound like he'd be a lot better than Dell.

People would be surprised how much worse someone would be if they play without hindsight. Add to that Steph is a small guy thrown in a much more physical league. I think he'd be lucky to get to Dell level.

You guys are completely deluded. Mark Price was a 5’11 180lbs multiple All NBA All Star in the 90s. Muggsy Bogues started at 5’3 150lbs on multiple playoff teams. Michael Adams was a 26ppg 10apg all star at 5’10 160lbs

Whatever physicality is thrown at Curry he’s far more equipped to handle it than the smallest all stars of that weak era

[Airupthere]

You guys are completely deluded. Mark Price was a 5’11 180lbs multiple All NBA All Star in the 90s. Muggsy Bogues started at 5’3 150lbs on multiple playoff teams. Michael Adams was a 26ppg 10apg all star at 5’10 160lbs

Whatever physicality is thrown at Curry he’s far more equipped to handle it than the smallest all stars of that weak era

We got 5’7 isaiah thomas averaging 29-30ppg recently. That is unheard of.

[Big164]

Holy shit dude let me say this one more time. "Without Hindsight"

Does anyone in this shit hole know what Hindsight means :facepalm

Heres the thing...Steph didnt have Hindsight in 2009 either...HE STARTED the trend!!

He was going to change the game in ANY era you drop him in. Just like Wilt did with the dunk.

[Bronbron23]

Heres the thing...Steph didnt have Hindsight in 2009 either...HE STARTED the trend!!

He was going to change the game in ANY era you drop him in. Just like Wilt did with the dunk.

Ahhh except he didn't dude. Steph's first 3 years he was around 20th in the league in 3 point attempts even though he was the best 3 point shooter the min he stepped foot in the league.

And he didn't change the game dude. Morey qnd the Rockets did. The rockets started the 3 craziness when morey came out with his analytics on why 3>2 in 2012. The rockets lead the way in 3 point attempts since that. Curry and the warriors followed like everyone else and did it better than everyone else but factually speaking daryl morey changed the game. It's not as sexy but it's facts

[Bronbron23]

We got 5’7 isaiah thomas averaging 29-30ppg recently. That is unheard of.

Yup i guess dude just ignored that little fact:oldlol:

[expansionera]

We got 5’7 isaiah thomas averaging 29-30ppg recently. That is unheard of.

Michael Adams efficient 26ppg 10apg with the crawl pace of the 90s and sub 30% shooting from three is a far worse indictment Curry could easily score in the 90s, try to follow the conversation dunce

[999Guy]

Michael Adams shot 8.5 3’s a game at 29.6%.

Vernon Maxwell shot over 5-6 every year of his prime. at anywhere from 33% to 37%.

Curry would’ve been fine playing his full game, with his full impact in any year with the line.


No coach would be retarded enough to try and clamp their best players game down.




By 95, John Starks and Dan Marjele were at over 7 attempts per game.

Curry would’ve obliterated the 90’s just like the 10’s.

[BigShotBob]

Michael Adams efficient 26ppg 10apg with the crawl pace of the 90s and sub 30% shooting from three is a far worse indictment Curry could easily score in the 90s, try to follow the conversation dunce

Michael Adams was better than Isaiah Thomas....

[BigShotBob]

Michael Adams shot 8.5 3’s a game at 29.6%.

Vernon Maxwell shot over 5-6 every year of his prime. at anywhere from 33% to 37%.

Curry would’ve been fine playing his full game, with his full impact in any year with the line.


No coach would be retarded enough to try and clamp their best players game down.




By 95, John Starks and Dan Marjele were at over 7 attempts per game.

Curry would’ve obliterated the 90’s just like the 10’s.

What happened in the 2015 and 2016 Finals?

[Airupthere]

Michael Adams efficient 26ppg 10apg with the crawl pace of the 90s and sub 30% shooting from three is a far worse indictment Curry could easily score in the 90s, try to follow the conversation dunce

Obviously I cant force you to see the connection if I even have to spell it out.

[999Guy]

What happened in the 2015 and 2016 Finals?

Serious question, do you think you made a point attached to anything I said by asking this?

Are you gonna ****ing say something stupid like Curry hasn’t been a dominant player these past several years?

[Bronbron23]

Michael Adams efficient 26ppg 10apg with the crawl pace of the 90s and sub 30% shooting from three is a far worse indictment Curry could easily score in the 90s, try to follow the conversation dunce

No it's not bro. That was an outlier season for adams because the nuggets were trash and had no scorers so they just gave him the ball and let him do whatever. Almost any good nba player can put up nice numbers with mediocre efficiency in a ball dominant roll and lose all day.

Why didn't steph shoot anywhere close to 10 threes a game in his first 3 years? He was the best shooter in the league from jump. He was better than monta ellis right away yet monta was taking more shots and was the man on the team shit steph was almost as efficient from 3 as monta was from 2. Why didn't steph just say f*ck it and start blazing from 3 and show his coach what the future holds? Why didn't steph 3 point attempts go up until the league 3 point attempts went up?

[BarberSchool]

With hand checking ?
Less that he currently does, but still all-Star status.

Without hand checking ?
In an uptempo run-n-Gun west coast franchise ?
Same or better.

Steph’s the greatest shooter ever.
30ft range off the dribble, off a pick and roll … IS NOT SUBJECT to being beaten to death in the paint by the Pistons and Knicks.

[TheCorporation]

Steph is dropping 45 a night on Jeff Hornacek's pinhead fu**ing face.

[sundizz]

Why work so hard at this guys.

There’s a homeless version of Steph that played in that era. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf was dropping 19 pts and 5 dimes. That guy was like 6’1 and 160. And in 95-96 season he shot 5 tres a game.

Under what logic does Steph who is levels and levels above him as a b-ball player not able to drop 30 ppg?

[kawhileonard2]

Steph in the 90's would be Dell and Dell now would be Steph.

[BigShotBob]

Why work so hard at this guys.

There’s a homeless version of Steph that played in that era. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf was dropping 19 pts and 5 dimes. That guy was like 6’1 and 160. And in 95-96 season he shot 5 tres a game.

Under what logic does Steph who is levels and levels above him as a b-ball player not able to drop 30 ppg?

What happened in the 2015 and 2016 Finals?

[Bawkish]

i'd think he would adapt an off ball approach and run around like Reggie, Iverson or Rip Hamilton

Or he'd be a true PG that would look to pass 1st

[CountDracula]

Pound for pound Stephanie Curry might not have been as strong as Steve Nash, but I believe very similar in playing style! While not the passer that Steve Nash was, you could argue Stephanie Curry would be a more dominant scorer than Steve Nash! I could certainly see Curry’s pinnacle at about 19-20ppg. More profoundly Curry would be at a disadvantage defensively! Although a rarity in today’s game where perimeter plays occasionally post up in the paint, in the old days the mid range and post ups among guards were frequent! Gary Payton would take Curry’s lunch in the post, in that regards Curry is a Virgin, he has no post up game! Tim Hardaway would have seen Curry as fresh meat! Go with God Brother, go with God!

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[Johnny32]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NiEAAOSw~1FUXPwN/s-l1600.jpg

this 5'10, 160 monster averaged 27 ppg in 91.


https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/guard-mark-price-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-moves-the-ball-during-a-picture-id269815?s=2048x2048

this beast was a 4x all star and 4x all nba performer in the rough and tough 90s.


https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/06/22/sports/22jpCURRY3-print/00CURY-03-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp

but this guy wouldn't survive.

[Big164]

Ahhh except he didn't dude. Steph's first 3 years he was around 20th in the league in 3 point attempts even though he was the best 3 point shooter the min he stepped foot in the league.

And he didn't change the game dude. Morey qnd the Rockets did. The rockets started the 3 craziness when morey came out with his analytics on why 3>2 in 2012.

Steph set the NCAA record for Threes(162) way back in 2007-2008....Half decade before Morey thought it was a good idea. This was ALWAYS Stephs game.

[CountDracula]

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[HoopsNY]

*****, Michael Adams did 20/10 efficiently in that era. Just stop it.


Adams had one season where he averaged more than 20 PPG. We're talking about the 90s as a whole. So, not sure what you're really trying to get at here.


And the early to mid 10’s was defensive af.

What's your point?


The 2015 season saw some of the best defenses of the era. That was pre-space and paceZ it took until the 2015 finals last few games for GS to even experiment with going small with Dray at the 5. Bogut was a hyped starter those years.


So 2014-15 was great defensively? Okay, even if we concede to your point, then Steph was MVP that year but averaged 23.8 PPG. You're only proving my point here.


They just did it way more in 2016 and blew the league away with the death lineup. And EVEN then, 2017’s NBA was the first real space and pace year, and it really took until 2019 with teams to put true big men in the dumpster because of the Rockets success with those Tucker at 5 lineups.


It's called the evolution of the game. This is why I said the reality is somewhere between Steph's first six season and his last six.


2012-2016’s NBA was balanced and not 3 point spammy at all, other than Curry.

The league didn't just make the game perimeter friendly then. These rule changes really took effect in the 2004-05 season and worked its way from there. Steph added a revolutionary aspect to the game.

And it also depends on how you view things. To you, the league wasn't three point spamming. But when we look at the data, every year between 2012-2016, the league set an all-time record for three point attempts per game. Relative to today's shooting, is it spamming? Doesn't seem that way. But we can't look at data after the fact, otherwise that's just revisionist history. What we do know is how it was viewed at the time, particularly in 2016, was an up and down three point fest.

But that's neither here nor there. If your contention is that Steph would in fact average 30 PPG, then I could possibly see that happening, but I doubt it. I certainly don't think he does it for an entirety of the 90s, simply because the game was played differently back then and really began to slow down after 1993.

For me, he starts at 20 PPG and peaks somewhere around 27 PPG. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

Btw this doesn't mean that I don't think he was capable of averaging 30. He certainly was. But back then, a lot of guys were capable of that.

[HoopsNY]

That doesn't sound like he'd be a lot better than Dell.

People would be surprised how much worse someone would be if they play without hindsight. Add to that Steph is a small guy thrown in a much more physical league. I think he'd be lucky to get to Dell level.

You're kidding me right? Dell was nowhere near the player Steph is, largely because he couldn't move off the ball or dribble anywhere near Steph's ability.