When covid deaths drop lower than flu will you still support mandates?

[Bronbron23]

This question is for the pro mandate folks. Will you because between the weaker omnicron taking over the more deadly delta and high vaccine and natural immunity rates it's gonna happen and the government is still gonna mandate vaccines.

Will you still fall in line or will you finally wake up and stand against mandates?

[Off the Court]

I was wondering when we would all finally debate this vaccine thing.

[Bronbron23]

I was wondering when we would all finally debate this vaccine thing.:oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Until there is not a single person on this planet with Covid, mandates for vaccines and masks must continue.

[PistonsFan#21]

The pro mandate crowd is too low IQ to unserstand basic biology principles or to do some critical thinking on their own...And the ones that do understand they got duped by big pharma have too much pride to admit they got played like sheep so they want everyone else to be on the same boat as them.

[diamenz]

is anyone here actually pro-mandate?

[LAL]

The pro mandate crowd is too low IQ to unserstand basic biology principles or to do some critical thinking on their own...And the ones that do understand they got duped by big pharma have too much pride to admit they got played like sheep so they want everyone else to be on the same boat as them.

Exactly.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7g8tbK6eeQ&t

[Axe]

If most of the world's population get vaxxed, world travel should start becoming normal again.

[Bronbron23]

If most of the world's population get vaxxed, world travel should start becoming normal again.

But some places are 90% vaxxed and they still have mandates.

[Axe]

But some places are 90% vaxxed and they still have mandates.
If "some" then that doesn't represent the whole population of the world lol

[ELITEpower23]

OP with another low IQ thread. Same shit as usual.

[Bronbron23]

If "some" then that doesn't represent the whole population of the world lol

So you actually think it's the 10-20% of the people who aren't vaccinated that's spreading this thing? Not the 80-90% of the people who are the ones who are aloud going everywhere and often don't know when they're sick?

[Bronbron23]

OP with another low IQ thread. Same shit as usual.

Not low iq at all. It's q simple question that your dumbass is clearly having a hard time answering with an actual answer. Lets try again though. When the numbers drop similar to the flu will you still be ok with mandates?

[diamenz]

again, who here is pro-mandate?

[Dr. Lemon]

OP is legitimately clueless.

Very sad to see someone so ill-informed at such a late stage in their life.

[Bronbron23]

again, who here is pro-mandate?


OP is legitimately clueless.

Very sad to see someone so ill-informed at such a late stage in their life.

What is mis informed exactly about what i said?

[SATAN]

OP with another low IQ thread. Same shit as usual.

:oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol:

He didn't answer the question which is no surprise. None of yall will. It's a simple question.

When deaths drop lower or even as low as the flu will you continue to support mandates? Why and why not?

[Bronbron23]

OP is legitimately clueless.

Very sad to see someone so ill-informed at such a late stage in their life.

Still waiting for you to tell me what was ill informed on what i've been saying. Which statement exactly was ill informed?

That the vaccinated are significantly spreading covid?

That unvaxed children and healthy young adults are an extrextremely low risk from covid?

That those with antibodies are as protected as those with the vax?

Which one is ill informed? Anyone?

[Axe]

So you actually think it's the 10-20% of the people who aren't vaccinated that's spreading this thing? Not the 80-90% of the people who are the ones who are aloud going everywhere and often don't know when they're sick?
Huh? But most of the world's population aren't even vaxxed yet. The goal in this one is to try to minimize the effect of the pandemic as much as possible, if not eliminate it. That's why the health org is suggesting that everybody get their vaccine shots regardless of their age or immunity levels so the economy can open up already and thus the world will slowly return to normal as well while people will not have to worry about this shit anymore.

[diamenz]

What is mis informed exactly about what i said?

i'm only asking in general. i want to know who here on this board is actually pro-mandate.

[Bronbron23]

Huh? But most of the world's population aren't even vaxxed yet. The goal in this one is to try to minimize the effect of the pandemic as much as possible, if not eliminate it. That's why the health org is suggesting that everybody get their vaccine shots regardless of their age or immunity levels so the economy can open up already and thus the world will slowly return to normal as well while people will not have to worry about this shit anymore.

The economy can open now. Covid isn't stopping that some governments are.

And lol at the goal being to vax the whole wolrd to minimize the spread. The richest countries bought up all the vaccines for 6 covid shots over. It's why alot of other countries can't get any.

This was some experts complaint. That by doing this It's actually making covid worse. This gets back to the common sense thing and why so many people think these governments are incompetent.

What we should of done is got enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone who's high risk so maybe 70% which is usually the target goal. That would have left enough vaccines for everyone else qround the world to properly fight this.

[Bronbron23]

i'm only asking in general. i want to know who here on this board is actually pro-mandate.

Not sure but i'd say at least half judging by the responses. Maybe a bit less. I think as the government keeps changing the goal post as time goes more and more people are waking up.

[SATAN]

He didn't answer the question which is no surprise. None of yall will. It's a simple question.



You usually double down when wrong anyway and oversimplify everything. There's no point.

[Bronbron23]

You usually double down when wrong anyway and oversimplify everything. There's no point.

Right. Not surprised. Again it's real simple and there's nothing for me to double down on.

How about i ask the question in a different way. How many deaths are acceptable for you to be ok with no mandates?100,000 deaths? 60,000 maybe?

[SATAN]

Right. Not surprised. Again it's real simple and there's nothing for me to double down on.

How about i ask the question in a different way. How many deaths are acceptable for you to be ok with no mandates?100,000 deaths? 60,000 maybe?

Four.

[Axe]

The economy can open now. Covid isn't stopping that some governments are.

And lol at the goal being to vax the whole wolrd to minimize the spread. The richest countries bought up all the vaccines for 6 covid shots over. It's why alot of other countries can't get any.

This was some experts complaint. That by doing this It's actually making covid worse. This gets back to the common sense thing and why so many people think these governments are incompetent.

What we should of done is got enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone who's high risk so maybe 70% which is usually the target goal. That would have left enough vaccines for everyone else qround the world to properly fight this.
Well you are right about that. They shouldn't have hoard them too much. They only got the makers to be more richer too than ever. However it really sucks that even with the presence of these vaccines, world travel is still very limited. I'm sure a lot of people thought that after they get fully vaxxed, they'd be able to enjoy whatever they used to have before all of these happened but that's far from reality because a lot of mandates and restrictions remain in place. So not all expectations about it live up but i guess some is always better than nothing at all.

[Bronbron23]

Well you are right about that. They shouldn't have hoard them too much. They only got the makers to be more richer too than ever. However it really sucks that even with the presence of these vaccines, world travel is still very limited. I'm sure a lot of people thought that after they get fully vaxxed, they'd be able to enjoy whatever they used to have before all of these happened but that's far from reality because a lot of mandates and restrictions remain in place. So not all expectations about it live up but i guess some is always better than nothing at all.

Yeah I'm not against vaccines. I think most people who don't have them should get them because most people are high risk due to the amount of obesity we have in North America. I just don't think everyone needs them given the fact that the vaccines aren't effective in controlling the spread and low risk groups aren't at a high enough risk to justify mandating them to get them.

I feel like this could of been handled much better than it has and things are much worse off because of it.

[baudkarma]

I definitely will continue to support vaccine mandates. I'm following the same logic that anti-vaxxers use when they say "Why should I get the vax when I'm young and healthy and Covid poses very little risk to me?" Why should I stop supporting vax mandates when they don't inconvenience me in the slightest? I mean, what's in it for me personally? Hell, if the mandates thin out the crowd at sporting events and concerts, they're actually benefiting me.

[Cleverness]

I definitely will continue to support vaccine mandates.

Why?

[Axe]

I definitely will continue to support vaccine mandates. I'm following the same logic that anti-vaxxers use when they say "Why should I get the vax when I'm young and healthy and Covid poses very little risk to me?" Why should I stop supporting vax mandates when they don't inconvenience me in the slightest? I mean, what's in it for me personally? Hell, if the mandates thin out the crowd at sporting events and concerts, they're actually benefiting me.
But like what's implied earlier itt, even if you're fully vaccinated, freedom is still limited which sucks for many parts. I get the one in going to many places alone or you're only with a few but things like travelling internationally won't be the same like before in this pandemic. Things such as quarantine and swab testing are not desirable for people who got marks of the beasts already.

[Bronbron23]

I definitely will continue to support vaccine mandates. I'm following the same logic that anti-vaxxers use when they say "Why should I get the vax when I'm young and healthy and Covid poses very little risk to me?" Why should I stop supporting vax mandates when they don't inconvenience me in the slightest? I mean, what's in it for me personally? Hell, if the mandates thin out the crowd at sporting events and concerts, they're actually benefiting me.

Not really the same dude. The vaccinated are spreading this shit just as much so the non vaxxed so it's a terrible argument.

[tpols]

I definitely will continue to support vaccine mandates. I'm following the same logic that anti-vaxxers use when they say "Why should I get the vax when I'm young and healthy and Covid poses very little risk to me?" Why should I stop supporting vax mandates when they don't inconvenience me in the slightest? I mean, what's in it for me personally? Hell, if the mandates thin out the crowd at sporting events and concerts, they're actually benefiting me.

People who are anti mandate have a long list of logical reasoning for it like:

Why is an antibody test proving natural immunity not a replacement for the vaccine when the whole purpose of the vaccine is to produce those same antibodies?

Why do remote jobs that are WFH require it?

Why are we being forced to take experimental injections for a ton of jobs that aren't high risk and never required them before?

Why are domestic laws like HIPPA and international law like the Nuremburg code that are supposed to give us medical privacy being ignored?

Why is the PREP act removing all liability from the manufacturers in case something goes wrong? (and the companies in question already have billions in lawsuits against them)

On and on.

Your reasoning is basically just a child stomping his feet throwing a tantrum just to spite the other side with no justifiable logical backing.

[SATAN]

Not really the same dude. The vaccinated are spreading this shit just as much so the non vaxxed so it's a terrible argument.

SHUT THE **** UP

:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

SHUT THE **** UP

:facepalm

It's true and deep down you know it. I swear the world could be 99% vaxxed and if cases were still high y'all idiots woukd still say the unvaccinated are the ones spreading it. It's honestly getting to thd point of insanity for yall

[Long Duck Dong]

OP with another low IQ thread. Same shit as usual.

He's right tho. I'm not anti-vax or mask. I've got 2 jabs and wear a mask regularly but facts are facts.

Omicron is predicted to infect 60% of US by March

Over 90% will be asymptomatic

It's less than 10% deadly as the Delta variant

It's expected to be less deadly than the typical flu on an average year

It's expected to be more transmissible than the flu and Delta variant

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/22/covid-omicron-variant-ihme-models-predict-140-m-new-infections-winter/8967421002/


So it Omicron is expected to be LESS deadly than the typical flu on an average year. And much less deadly than most other Covid-19 variants.

[diamenz]

i can't wrap my head around the fact that mini lockdowns are being put in place across the country over a less severe variant during the holiday season.

[diamenz]

He's right tho. I'm not anti-vax or mask. I've got 2 jabs and wear a mask regularly but facts are facts.

Omicron is predicted to infect 60% of US by March

Over 90% will be asymptomatic

It's less than 10% deadly as the Delta variant

It's expected to be less deadly than the typical flu on an average year

It's expected to be more transmissible than the flu and Delta variant

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/22/covid-omicron-variant-ihme-models-predict-140-m-new-infections-winter/8967421002/


So it Omicron is expected to be LESS deadly than the typical flu on an average year. And much less deadly than most other Covid-19 variants.

so wait, omicron is good news? surely fauci has something positive to say about this!

[SATAN]

It's true and deep down you know it. I swear the world could be 99% vaxxed and if cases were still high y'all idiots woukd still say the unvaccinated are the ones spreading it. It's honestly getting to thd point of insanity for yall

I never said vaccinated people can't spread it, dumbass.

I just got back from xmas shopping and wore a mask in stores btw...

[Nanners]

Covid deaths are lower than flu deaths, they have been since this "pandemic" started... and this is obvious to anyone who spends any time looking into the statistics (and how the stats have been manipulated upward in a dozen ways).

In the US, only ~2% of covid fatalities have no documented comorbidities, and the average fatality has 2.85 comorbidities and is ~80 years old (2 years older than average life expectancy).

[Bronbron23]

I never said vaccinated people can't spread it, dumbass.

I just got back from xmas shopping and wore a mask in stores btw...

So if you acknowledge that the vaccinated are significantly spreading this thing you know the vaccines clearly aren't effective in controlling the spread.

So how do you justify the mandates knowing this? If it's not to control the spread What's your reasoning for supporting mandates?

[Bronbron23]

Covid deaths are lower than flu deaths, they have been since this "pandemic" started... and this is obvious to anyone who spends any time looking into the statistics (and how the stats have been manipulated upward in a dozen ways).

In the US, only ~2% of covid fatalities have no documented comorbidities, and the average fatality has 2.85 comorbidities and is ~80 years old (2 years older than average life expectancy).

Only thing with this is that deaths per year since covid has increased by the numbers of covid deaths reported so that does suggest its mostly covid. I guess obesity is way up also but i don't think that would account for an extra 400,000 deaths per year or whatever it is.

[Nanners]

Only thing with this is that deaths per year since covid has increased by the numbers of covid deaths reported so that does suggest its mostly covid. I guess obesity is way up also but i don't think that would account for an extra 400,000 deaths per year or whatever it is.

This is not true at all (post a source and prove me wrong if you can)

In 2020 the total number of deaths was right in line with what would have been expected in a normal year without the virus. In 2021 total deaths are slightly above expected, but that can easily be accounted for by increases in overdoses, suicides, cancer (less screening/treatment thanks to covid), as well as the vax side effect deaths like myocarditis (look up "died suddenly" on google trends)

[tpols]

This is not true at all (post a source and prove me wrong if you can)

In 2020 the total number of deaths was right in line with what would have been expected in a normal year without the virus. In 2021 total deaths are slightly above expected, but that can easily be accounted for by increases in overdoses, suicides, cancer (less screening/treatment thanks to covid), as well as the vax side effect deaths like myocarditis (look up "died suddenly" on google trends)

Yup..,

I remember reading the annual death rate in USA is .7 to .8% of the population dies every year. I think that was the number but the point is looking at it the death rate has barely changed. We have more people in this country today than when the plandemic started.

[bladefd]

A lot of countries don't measure excess mortality rates, but USA does. Excess mortality rate is actual number of deaths minus expected deaths based on the previous years.

For USA, the excess mortality rate is elevated for 2021/22.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~USA

This is broken down by age group:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline-by-age?country=~USA

Here it is broken down for 2020-21 relative to 2014-19 5yr period as baseline:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline-by-age?country=~USA

[bladefd]

Here are the raw excess mortality number for USA:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count

[Bronbron23]

This is not true at all (post a source and prove me wrong if you can)

In 2020 the total number of deaths was right in line with what would have been expected in a normal year without the virus. In 2021 total deaths are slightly above expected, but that can easily be accounted for by increases in overdoses, suicides, cancer (less screening/treatment thanks to covid), as well as the vax side effect deaths like myocarditis (look up "died suddenly" on google trends)

Looks like you might be right. I coukd of swore i saw somewhere that 3,300,000 died in 2020 which would of made sense given it was under 3,000,000 the year before. Looking at this though https://www.google.com/amp/knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Demographics/Mortality/Number-of-deaths%3fmode=amp it shows deaths during covid have only risen as much as the usually do.

If these figures are right it's pretty crazy

[SATAN]

So if you acknowledge that the vaccinated are significantly spreading this thing you know the vaccines clearly aren't effective in controlling the spread.

So how do you justify the mandates knowing this? If it's not to control the spread What's your reasoning for supporting mandates?

Your lack of logic is mind blowing. I never said people should be forced to do anything, unless I was trolling or something and forget the comment. I don't keep up with this shit anymore. You guys are complete morons. But if you want to know my stance...Should you get the vaccine? Yes. Should you be forced to? No I don't think forcing people to do anything at all is fair.

[Bronbron23]

Your lack of logic is mind blowing. I never said people should be forced to do anything, unless I was trolling or something and forget the comment. I don't keep up with this shit anymore. You guys are complete morons. But if you want to know my stance...Should you get the vaccine? Yes. Should you be forced to? No I don't think forcing people to do anything at all is fair.

So then you basically agree. Glad your on board:rockon:

[SATAN]

you're*

[Bronbron23]

you're*

Your RRR3 :oldlol:

[bladefd]

A lot of countries don't measure excess mortality rates, but USA does. Excess mortality rate is actual number of deaths minus expected deaths based on the previous years.

For USA, the excess mortality rate is elevated for 2021/22.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~USA

This is broken down by age group:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline-by-age?country=~USA

Here it is broken down for 2020-21 relative to 2014-19 5yr period as baseline:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline-by-age?country=~USA

..I meant 2020/21 rather than 2021/22. Can't edit that typo.

[baudkarma]

..I meant 2020/21 rather than 2021/22. Can't edit that typo.

I feel your pain.