Facts about Kemp that demonstrate his greatness and untapped potential

[3ba11]

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Kemp carried Zydrunas further than Lebron carried all-star Zydrunas

* Kemp led Zydrunas to 47 wins and the playoffs in 98', while Lebron was lottery with the all-star version of Zydrunas in 05'


Kemp and Pippen against the same playoff opponent



VERSUS 98' PACERS

S KEMP.... 26.0 on 47%
PIPPEN.... 16.6 on 39%


VERSUS 93' SUNS

S KEMP.... 21/9 on 66% true shooting... 3.4 blocks... 1st option (payton averaged 12 ppg)
PIPPEN.... 21/9 on 46% true shooting... 1.0 blocks... 2nd option (jordan averaged 41 ppg)


* The Sonics and Suns went 7 games in the 93' WCF with identical ppg and ortg - but the Sonics didn't have an abnormal Paxson shot to win like the Bulls had, so Kemp played the 93' Suns closer than the Bulls did, while drastically outplaying Pippen on less usage.

* Kemp averaged 20/10 on 69% to win the Western Conference title against the 96' Jazz, and then averaged 23/10 on 53% to nearly win FMVP from MJ in the Finals (pippen averaged 15/8 on 34%).

[1987_Lakers]

In terms of on-court impact he was the Blake Griffin of his era.

Imagine that, MJ was beating a team as good as the '12-'16 Clippers in the Finals year in and year out, a team that couldn't reach the CF during LeBron's era.

[Lebron23]

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[3ba11]

In terms of on-court impact he was the Blake Griffin of his era.

Imagine that, MJ was beating a team as good as the '12-'16 Clippers in the Finals year in and year out, a team that couldn't reach the CF during LeBron's era.


Kemp led a team to the Finals by averaging 20/10 on 69% to win the Western Conference title against the 96' Jazz, and then averaged 23/10 on 53% to nearly win FMVP from MJ in the Finals

Blake never did anything anywhere NEAR that... :confusedshrug:

but nice attempt to reduce Kemp's goat-caliber talent to blake griffin but the facts say otherwise... Also, I think the main point is that look how bad Pippen was - he has worse stats against the same opponents as Kemp (2 opponents) and Reggie Miller (5 opponents)... btw, blake was #3 for mvp like pippen

[SouBeachTalents]

Kemp had some horrendous playoff showings in his career

1991 FR: 13 & 7 on 39%
1992 WCSF: 14 & 9 on 42%
1993 WCSF: 14 & 11 on 42%
1994 FR: 15 & 10 on 37% while becoming the first one seed in history to lose to an eight seed

That Sonics team was most known for being a playoff disappointment and losing to an 8 seed before they faced the Bulls in the Finals

[ShawkFactory]

Kemp had some horrendous playoff showings in his career

1991 FR: 13 & 7 on 39%
1992 WCSF: 14 & 9 on 42%
1993 WCSF: 14 & 11 on 42%
1994 FR: 15 & 10 on 37% while becoming the first one seed in history to lose to an eight seed

That Sonics team was most known for being a playoff disappointment and losing to an 8 seed before they faced the Bulls in the Finals

For real. Kemp in the 94 playoffs:

15.9 PER, 0.81 WS/48, 2.0 BPM, 0.2 VORP

GOAT level shit

[SATAN]

I'm not sure you can put Kemp and greatness in the same sentence unfortunately.

He was my favorite player but I admit he wasn't truly elite like some of the other guys. He had so much potential for a kid with leg braces and no college ball experience though. Sonics were fun.

It would be interesting to see him in the modern game.

[FromDowntown]

94 kemps sonics lost as a 1 seeding to 8 seeding. kemp was nothing much

[iamgine]

Kemp was pretty good for about six seasons or so. He was around Bam Adebayo level.

[BigShotBob]

Kemp was pretty good for about six seasons or so. He was around Bam Adebayo level.

Literally one of the most asinine takes I've ever heard. Go watch some actual footage

[iamgine]

Literally one of the most asinine takes I've ever heard. Go watch some actual footage

Level, not playstyle.

[BigShotBob]

Level, not playstyle.

But he's on a different level than Bam Adebayo beyond statistics

[90sgoat]

Kemp was pretty good for about six seasons or so. He was around Bam Adebayo level.

The play nothing alike.

Blake Griffin but with elite shotblocking and defense.

[iamgine]

The play nothing alike.

Blake Griffin but with elite shotblocking and defense.

Level, not playstyle.

[BigShotBob]

Level, not playstyle.

Cool. So Bam Adebayo + Gary Payton = Beating the Hakeem Rockets and the Karl Malone John Stockton Jazz to get to the Finals....

They're not on the same level. Stop it.

[iamgine]

Cool. So Bam Adebayo + Gary Payton = Beating the Hakeem Rockets and the Karl Malone John Stockton Jazz to get to the Finals....

They're not on the same level. Stop it.

Cool. So Shawn Kemp + Gary Payton = Lost to Nick Van Exel. Lost to Laphonzo Ellis.

[RRR3]

Cool. So Bam Adebayo + Gary Payton = Beating the Hakeem Rockets and the Karl Malone John Stockton Jazz to get to the Finals....

They're not on the same level. Stop it.
Just because you were a kid when you watched these guys play doesn’t mean they were anything special. Stop jerking off to nostalgia gramps.

[Kblaze8855]

How is Kemp a totally different level than Bam? Even if he’s better it’s not like….Barkley vs Clarence Weatherspoon or something. They are gonna produce about the same and it’s not like there is a massive intangibles difference. Bam is an elite defender….if he gets rid of his hesitation to take open jumpers he wouldn’t have much to exploit. He’s a different kind of big scoring wise with era differences but theres not like….miles of difference in their level.

Who combined with who to beat who isn’t basketball analysis. You have tandems that both swept the Showtime Lakers and lost to a real life crackhead and the second best player in the King family. That doesn’t determine anything at all.

[3ba11]

How is Kemp a totally different level than Bam? Even if he’s better it’s not like….Barkley vs Clarence Weatherspoon or something. They are gonna produce about the same and it’s not like there is a massive intangibles difference. Bam is an elite defender….if he gets rid of his hesitation to take open jumpers he wouldn’t have much to exploit. He’s a different kind of big scoring wise with era differences but theres not like….miles of difference in their level.

Who combined with who to beat who isn’t basketball analysis. You have tandems that both swept the Showtime Lakers and lost to a real life crackhead and the second best player in the King family. That doesn’t determine anything at all.


Bam isn't a 1st option that can carry an offense to the Finals, while Kemp was exactly that in 96' Playoffs

Btw, Kemp outplayed Malone and Barkley all the time and was on their level talent-wise but simply missed college and wasted a lot of his development years.. He barely scratched the surface of his all-time potential, and that's the tragedy.. Lack of proper training, nutrition, knowledge and guidance in previous eras hurt A LOT of guys

Oh and finally, looking at how 2 guys played against the exact same comp is among the most valid ways of analysis that exists.. In other industries it's called "comps" or comparables... Kemp drastically outplayed Pippen against the same opponent as the OP shows - this was standard - guys like Reggie Miller outplayed Pippen severely against the same playoff opponent 6 times, shown here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493657-Reggie-Miller-and-Pippen-faced-the-same-opponent-in-the-playoffs-6-times).

[90sgoat]

Level, not playstyle.

Kemp was better than Griffin.

Closer to Garnett in impact than Griffin, but for a short time only.

[3ba11]

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Pippen's peers drastically outplayed him against the same playoff opponents:



VERSUS 98' PACERS

S KEMP.... 26.0 on 47%
PIPPEN.... 16.6 on 39%


VERSUS 93' SUNS

S KEMP.... 21/9 on 66% true shooting... 3.4 blocks... 1st option (payton averaged 12 ppg)
PIPPEN.... 21/9 on 46% true shooting... 1.0 blocks... 2nd option (jordan averaged 41 ppg)



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage

[eliteballer]

If Zion was 6-10 and in shape.

[Patrick Chewing]

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Just getting worse.

[bizil]

Kemp was a stud no doubt. Freak athletic wise at the 4 spot, HE SET THE TONE for the freak athletes we saw at the PF going forward. Only thing is he WASN'T as dominant as Barkley and The Mailman. He was never as good as those guys. When u look at the PF's after him, KG, Timmy, Dirk, and Webb were superior. Right when Kemp should have been hitting his peak,that's when he fell off. Kemp, DC,and LJ DIDN'T reach their true potential for various reasons. Took the Golden Age PF crop with Timmy, KG, Dirk,and Webb headlining to push Barkley and Malone GOAT and peak-prime wise. BUT Kemp, DC, and LJ HAD WHAT IT TOOK. Just fell off before they could truly peak at the right time.

[3ba11]

Kemp was a stud no doubt. Freak athletic wise at the 4 spot, HE SET THE TONE for the freak athletes we saw at the PF going forward. Only thing is he WASN'T as dominant as Barkley and The Mailman. He was never as good as those guys. When u look at the PF's after him, KG, Timmy, Dirk, and Webb were superior. Right when Kemp should have been hitting his peak,that's when he fell off. Kemp, DC,and LJ DIDN'T reach their true potential for various reasons. Took the Golden Age PF crop with Timmy, KG, Dirk,and Webb headlining to push Barkley and Malone GOAT and peak-prime wise. BUT Kemp, DC, and LJ HAD WHAT IT TOOK. Just fell off before they could truly peak at the right time.


Kemp routinely outplayed Barkley or Malone and had a guard physique, so his game would be different in other eras.. Despite the guard physique, his all-time talent still got 20/10 in the big man era, including 20/10 on 69% FG against 96' Malone to carry the Sonics to the Finals

[ShawkFactory]

Kemp routinely outplayed Barkley or Malone and had a guard physique, so his game would be different in other eras.. Despite the guard physique, his all-time talent still got 20/10 in the big man era, including 20/10 on 69% FG against 96' Malone to carry the Sonics to the Finals

Did he?

[3ba11]

Did he?


It's subjective but I'll take Kemp's 20/10 on 69% over Barkley's ball-dominance or Malone's excessive bird-feeding

Better coaching would've made Kemp's scoring stats higher like his first year outside of Seattle where he averaged 26/10 against the 98' Pacers great playoff defense (16 on 39% for Pippen).

Again, he had a guard physique at 6'10", so his possibilities are endless - he barely scratched his potential but got 20/10 on 69% against Malone to win the West off sheer talent

[ShawkFactory]

It's subjective but I'll take Kemp's 20/10 on 69% over Barkley's ball-dominance or Malone's excessive bird-feeding

Better coaching would've made Kemp's scoring stats higher like his first year outside of Seattle where he averaged 26/10 against the 98' Pacers great playoff defense (16 on 39% for Pippen).

Again, he had a guard physique at 6'10", so his possibilities are endless and he barely scratched his potential but got 20/10 on 69% against Malone to win the West off sheer talent

Good save.

[3ba11]

Good save.


The fact that his performance can be debated with theirs proves my point, not yours

And thanks for confirming that with your agreement above

[ShawkFactory]

The fact that his performance can be debated with theirs proves my point, not yours

And thanks for confirming that

Anyone can make a debate out of anything. Doesn’t make the argument a good one.

And what is my point, do you think?

[3ba11]

Anyone can make a debate out of anything. Doesn’t make the argument a good one.

And what is my point, do you think?


Kemp's performance clearly matches and even exceeds Malone or Barkley's by various objective measures - for instance, I don't remember Barkley or Malone nearly winning FMVP from Jordan..

Even Phil Jackson concedes in the 96' championship video that "only Kemp was doing anything" (carrying his team and dominating the goat defense)

[bizil]

Did he?

I was thinking the same shit! LOL That poster didn't understand what I was saying. Kemp AT HIS ABSOLUTE BEST wasn't as dominant as Barkley and Malone. NO SHAME because we are talking about Mt. Rushmore type guys at the PF spot. But this thread was about UNTAPPED POTENTIAL! Kemp falls into that category. Many of us thought AT ONE POINT he could be as good as Barkley and Malone on a peak-prime level one day. Hell maybe exceed what they did. When Kemp was at his best, Barkley and Mailman were ALREADY in backend prime mode. I'm talking around '96 Finals time. Kemp, LJ, and DC were supposed to be the next HOF PF's in line after Barkley and Malone.

BUT we were basing that off POTENTIAL! Plain and simple Barkley and Mailman's peak-prime status is superior to Kemp's. IF Kemp had the long primes those guys had and stayed in shape WHO KNOWS where he would be in the PF hierarchy. Once again that Golden Age of PF's in the 2000s REALLY pushed Kemp back to the back in terms of peak-prime status. Kemp DIDN'T maintain that '96 Finals run form. And GROW from that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kemp's performance clearly matches and even exceeds Malone or Barkley's by various objective measures - for instance, I don't remember Barkley or Malone nearly winning FMVP from Jordan..

Even Phil Jackson concedes in the 96' championship video that "only Kemp was doing anything" (carrying his team and dominating the goat defense)
I guess that means Rodman is better than Barkley & Malone too since he nearly won FMVP from Jordan

[3ba11]

So I guess that means Rodman is better than them too since he nearly won FMVP from Jordan


Rodman didn't nearly do anything because he got 1 vote, while Kemp was actually in contention

[SouBeachTalents]

Rodman didn't nearly do anything because he got 1 vote, while Kemp was actually in contention
Kemp got 3 votes, Rodman 2

[bizil]

Kemp's performance clearly matches and even exceeds Malone or Barkley's by various objective measures - for instance, I don't remember Barkley or Malone nearly winning FMVP from Jordan..

Even Phil Jackson concedes in the 96' championship video that "only Kemp was doing anything" (carrying his team and dominating the goat defense)

What your DUMB ASS fails to realize is Kemp DIDN'T MAINTAIN that level long enough to be CONSIDERED as good as Barkley and Malone peak-prime wise. Kemp was AWESOME NO DOUBT! But we are talking Barkley and Malone here! Secondly when in 1996, Barkley and Malone were in backend prime mode. Kemp's era of PF's peers were the guys like DC and LJ. THEY WERE THE GUYS who were supposed to go take the PF mantle after Barkley and Malone. NONE OF THEM reached their true potential. Or in the case of Kemp, didn't maintain it long enough. Kemp at his ABSOLUTE BEST wasn't on the Barkley-Malone level. It TOOK KG-Dirk-Timmy to shake the GOAT PF and peak-prime PF shit up. Kemp didn't have that impact. BECAUSE he didn't maintain that '96 form long enough. OR GROW FROM IT!

[ShawkFactory]

What does “nearly“ winning FMVP mean? Weren’t they down 3-0 in the series at one point

[3ba11]

I was thinking the same shit! LOL That poster didn't understand what I was saying. Kemp AT HIS ABSOLUTE BEST wasn't as dominant as Barkley and Malone. NO SHAME because we are talking about Mt. Rushmore type guys at the PF spot. But this thread was about UNTAPPED POTENTIAL! Kemp falls into that category. Many of us thought AT ONE POINT he could be as good as Barkley and Malone on a peak-prime level one day. Hell maybe exceed what they did. When Kemp was at his best, Barkley and Mailman were ALREADY in backend prime mode. I'm talking around '96 Finals time. Kemp, LJ, and DC were supposed to be the next HOF PF's in line after Barkley and Malone.

BUT we were basing that off POTENTIAL! Plain and simple Barkley and Mailman's peak-prime status is superior to Kemp's. IF Kemp had the long primes those guys had and stayed in shape WHO KNOWS where he would be in the PF hierarchy. Once again that Golden Age of PF's in the 2000s REALLY pushed Kemp back to the back in terms of peak-prime status. Kemp DIDN'T maintain that '96 Finals run form. And GROW from that.


Kemp dominated the highest level (Finals) more than Barkley/Malone, which is confirmed by him getting FMVP votes and they didn't.

If Kemp wasn't the first guy to skip college in the modern era (and did 3-4 years of college like Barkley/Malone), he would destroy Barkley/Malone.... And he already did destroy those guys in various series without scratching the surface of his potential.

Ultimately, I would choose Kemp over Barkley or Malone if I was starting a team because his game and 6'10" guard physique fits in more eras.. He was a superior talent that simply missed college

[Hey Yo]

Kemp routinely outplayed Barkley or Malone and had a guard physique, so his game would be different in other eras.. Despite the guard physique, his all-time talent still got 20/10 in the big man era, including 20/10 on 69% FG against 96' Malone to carry the Sonics to the Finals

If Kemp was so great and Scottie sucked, then why didnt MJ tell the Bulls to make the trade?

MJ said himself he wouldn't have returned to the league in 95 if Pip was traded.

[3ba11]

If Kemp was so great and Scottie sucked, then why didnt MJ tell the Bulls to make the trade?

MJ said himself he wouldn't have returned to the league in 95 if Pip was traded.


Jordan is loyal and if it ain't broke, don't fix it

If you're lapping everyone with a 4-banger, no need to upset the applecart with a V-6

Btw, the beauty of Kemp compared to Barkley/Malone is that he WASN'T this plodding guy with tree trunks for legs like they were... That's what was so intriguing about him.. Even his jumpshot (low release point) was guard-like... Imagine a 6'10" guard physique that was powerful enough to get 20/10 on 69% against Malone, but with the guard handle to play on the perimeter - can you say..... Giannis?.. Kemp simply had all-time talent and potential.

[Hey Yo]

He was out of the league. Had no say in the matter. Yeah, real loyal

So you're saying MJ was too dumb to see that Kemp was 10x the player Pip was?

Even further proof that MJ was Linus and Pip was his blanket.

[3ba11]

He was out of the league. Had no say in the matter. Yeah, real loyal

So you're saying MJ was too dumb to see that Kemp was 10x the player Pip was?

Even further proof that MJ was Linus and Pip was his blanket.


In previous eras, the only respected route was to stay with your team.. No one had concieved of the idea of team-hopping around and teaming up with all the best players like stacking a team in a video game... Everyone figured the media and fans would consider that crazy and unbelievably weak or cheating... But apparently Klutch Sports was a step ahead mentally and realized that people are lapdogs and will eventually accept the deck-stacking rather than stop watching or continue criticizing.

[hateraid]

OP trying to fill Kemp's boots to diminish the competition Lebron faced. OP probably beleivea Kemp is better than KD

He probably thinks GP and Kemp are greater than KD and Curry lol

[hateraid]

Jordan is loyal and if it ain't broke, don't fix it

If you're lapping everyone with a 4-banger, no need to upset the applecart with a V-6

Btw, the beauty of Kemp compared to Barkley/Malone is that he WASN'T this plodding guy with tree trunks for legs like they were... That's what was so intriguing about him.. Even his jumpshot (low release point) was guard-like... Imagine a 6'10" guard physique that was powerful enough to get 20/10 on 69% against Malone, but with the guard handle to play on the perimeter - can you say..... Giannis?.. Kemp simply had all-time talent and potential.

OMG I spat my coffee out reading this take.

[ShawkFactory]

OMG I spat my coffee out reading this take.

Yes he appears to truly be saying that Kemp, a guy who scored 20ppg once in his career, was better/more talented than Malone and Barkley.

Bizarre stuff.

[Hey Yo]

Players with a NMC has no say and has nothing to do with loyalty.

Still doesnt answer why MJ was too dumb to see what you say was quite the obvious that Kemp was 10x better Pippen. Why didn't the front office see what you saw that was so blatantly obvious?

[SouBeachTalents]

Kemp dominated the highest level (Finals) more than Barkley/Malone, which is confirmed by him getting FMVP votes and they didn't.

If Kemp wasn't the first guy to skip college in the modern era (and did 3-4 years of college like Barkley/Malone), he would destroy Barkley/Malone.... And he already did destroy those guys in various series without scratching the surface of his potential.

Ultimately, I would choose Kemp over Barkley or Malone if I was starting a team because his game and 6'10" guard physique fits in more eras.. He was a superior talent that simply missed college
This could very well be the worst post of the year.

[3ba11]

This could very well be the worst post of the year.


the beauty of Kemp compared to Barkley/Malone is that he WASN'T this plodding guy with tree trunks for legs like they were... That's what was so intriguing about him.. Even his jumpshot (low release point) was guard-like... Imagine a 6'10" guard physique that was powerful enough to get 20/10 on 69% against Malone, but with the guard handle to play on the perimeter - can you say..... Giannis?.. Kemp simply had all-time talent and potential.

[SouBeachTalents]

the beauty of Kemp compared to Barkley/Malone is that he WASN'T this plodding guy with tree trunks for legs like they were... That's what was so intriguing about him.. Even his jumpshot (low release point) was guard-like... Imagine a 6'10" guard physique that was powerful enough to get 20/10 on 69% against Malone, but with the guard handle to play on the perimeter - can you say..... Giannis?.. Kemp simply had all-time talent and potential.
Yeah, I read that retarded take the first time :lol

[Airupthere]

Lol, shit. Poor Kemp now being attacked by rabid bransexuals.

[ShawkFactory]

Lol, shit. Poor Kemp now being attacked by rabid bransexuals.

Saying he wasn’t as good as Malone or Barkley = attacking him..?

Read the room. And understand who made the thread and what they’re saying.

[3ba11]

Yes he appears to truly be saying that Kemp, a guy who scored 20ppg once in his career, was better/more talented than Malone and Barkley.

Bizarre stuff.


You guys always conflate talent and skill.

Btw, Derrick Coleman and Kemp were both more talented than Barkley or Malone

But Coleman was taken out by poor work ethic, while Kemp was simply a guard physique in the wrong era and missed college, so coaches didn't let him make post plays like traditional clunky physique of Barkley/Malone.. This changed in the 96' Finals when the Sonics were forced to put the ball in his hands - and the results were Kemp reaching a higher level than Malone/Barkley ever did...

If course this was with a guard physique - Kemp was essentially doing spot duty as a big man in the big man era, but he'd be a guard today and therefore a goat talent.

[SaintzFury13]

The fact that his performance can be debated with theirs proves my point, not yours

Karl Malone AND Charles Barkley both won MVP's, Kemp never even came close.

Karl Malone led two teams to an NBA Finals. Charles led one to an NBA Finals. Shawn Kemp didn't lead anyone to anything. He was Seattle's top scorer but their leader was without question Gary Payton.

It's not debatable. Only a retard like yourself would think it is.

[SouBeachTalents]

You guys always conflate talent and skill.

Btw, Derrick Coleman and Kemp were both more talented than Barkley or Malone

But Coleman was taken out by poor work ethic, while Kemp was simply a guard physique in the wrong era and missed college, so coaches didn't let him make post plays like traditional clunky physique of Barkley/Malone.. This changed in the 96' Finals when the Sonics were forced to put the ball in his hands - and the results were Kemp reaching a higher level than Malone/Barkley ever did...

If course this was with a guard physique - Kemp was doing spot duty as a big man in the big man era, but he'd be a guard today and therefore a goat talent.
Barkley's 3 series against the Bulls SHIT on Kemp's '96 Finals. Absolutely shit on it. It's not even objectively better than Malone's '98 Finals :lol

[RRR3]

I think 3ball might legitimately struggle to open doors.

[3ba11]

Karl Malone AND Charles Barkley both won MVP's, Kemp never even came close.

Karl Malone led two teams to an NBA Finals. Charles led one to an NBA Finals. Shawn Kemp didn't lead anyone to anything. He was Seattle's top scorer but their leader was without question Gary Payton.

It's not debatable. Only a retard like yourself would think it is.


Kemp didn't develop like Barkley or Malone in the big man era because he has a guard physique and was viewed as a dunker for a long time, not a post scorer like Barkley or Malone..

This changed in the 96' Finals when the Sonics were forced to put the ball in his hands - and the results were Kemp reaching a higher level than Malone/Barkley ever did...

If course this was with a guard physique - Kemp was essentially doing spot duty as a big man in the big man era, but he'd be a guard today and therefore a goat talent.. Barkley and Malone didn't have it like that

[RRR3]

Kemp didn't develop like Barkley or Malone in the big man era because he has a guard physique and was viewed as a dunker for a long time, not a post scorer like Barkley or Malone..

This changed in the 96' Finals when the Sonics were forced to put the ball in his hands - and the results were Kemp reaching a higher level than Malone/Barkley ever did...

If course this was with a guard physique - Kemp was essentially doing spot duty as a big man in the big man era, but he'd be a guard today and therefore a goat talent.. Barkley and Malone didn't have it like that
One of the GOAT dumbasses :bowdown:

[Bronbron23]

In terms of on-court impact he was the Blake Griffin of his era.

Imagine that, MJ was beating a team as good as the '12-'16 Clippers in the Finals year in and year out, a team that couldn't reach the CF during LeBron's era.

Terrible take. Kemp was way better than blake.

[3ba11]

Barkley's 3 series against the Bulls SHIT on Kemp's '96 Finals. Absolutely shit on it. It's not even objectively better than Malone's '98 Finals :lol


Kemp's ceiling is higher than Barkley's if they grew up in today's era - both would be guards but Kemp would be 5 inches taller with higher ceiling on his form/jumpshooting

[Kblaze8855]

The funny thing to me is talking up Kemp being talented as if Barkley wasn’t an absolute freak and a unicorn. Barkley was a 6’5” 2-3-4-5 wing who could get 25 rebounds, shoot from 3, post up the biggest bigs on an all time elite level, defend Shaq in the paint, throw wild passes, beat guards off the dribble, go coast to coast like a bullet train, meet David Robinson at the peak blocking dunks, and switch out onto Jordan for a few possessions.

Charles Barkley was a lazy defender….maybe an all around lazy person…he was absolutely a monster talent.

He was what talents like Kemp become when it all goes to plan.

There have been more potential Shawn Kemps than there will ever be Charles Barkleys.

Chuck topped Shawn Kemps career high twice in the same playoff series……..playing against Shawn Kemp. And rumor is he barely even practiced.

Maybe limit the talent talk there. Maybe Karl Malone maxed out. Neither Kemp nor Barkley did but Barkley showed more in both talent(a bit more) and actual play(a lot more). Chick is one of the only people you could argue was more of an athletic freak than Kemp. People like Barkley aren’t supposed to exist.

[BarberSchool]

Kemp’s Seattle in game dunk highlights are top 5 all time. Right up there with Nique, Vince Carter, Jordan, Kobe, etc

If he could have kept the weight off, he would be a top 50 player all time.
Unbelievable pigeon-toed bow-legged lateral agility and explosiveness in all directions, especially UP.

Truly the most electric player ever in NBA history.