A few bums 95 Finals Horry has a higher gamescore than...

[000]

91 finals Divac
91 finals Worthy
92 finals Porter
92 finals Drexler
93 finals Johnson
93 finals Majerle
94 finals Ewing
94 finals Starks
96 finals Kemp
96 finals Payton
96 finals Schrempf
96 finals Jordan
97 finals Malone
97 finals Stockton
98 finals Malone
98 finals Stockton

Bonus:

1995 finals Horry - 19 gamescore
1991 finals Magic - 20 gamescore

[SouBeachTalents]

:oldlol: Let's see 3ball try to squirm his way outta this one.

I bet you could add the vast majority of the the Bulls opponents during their title years to this too, making '95 Horry seem like one of the greatest peaks of the 90's.

[3ba11]

It isn't surprising that Horry's best equals many people's worst, but Horry was higher than ALL of Pippen's Finals (6 for 6)..

Furthermore, gamescore was just 1 metric that was higher than Pippen ever had - Horry's 3.4 blocks, 2.3 steals, three-point attempts and efficiency (spacing), and goat clutch are aspects Pippen didn't have either.

So Pippen simply sucked as confirmed by everyone routinely playing on his level - any bum player is Pippen-caliber.. that's the standard - bumminess - JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 57% in the ECF - that's actually better than Pippen ever did when you consider efficiency... That's the kind of trash company that Pippen holds

[Hey Yo]

Gamescore was just 1 metric that was higher than Pippen ever had - Horry's 3.4 blocks, 2.3 steals, three-point attempts and efficiency (spacing), and goat clutch are aspects Pippen didn't have either.

So Pippen simply sucked as confirmed by everyone routinely playing on his level - any bum player is Pippen-caliber.. that's the standard - bumminess - JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 57% in the ECF - that's actually better than Pippen ever did when you consider efficiency... That's the kind of trash company that Pippen holds

So why didnt they trade for Kemp?

[3ba11]

So why didnt they trade for Kemp?


Jordan is loyal and also a fan of routine - if it ain't broke don't fix it

Btw, it isn't surprising that Horry's best equals many people's worst, but Horry was higher than ALL of Pippen's Finals (6 for 6).... Yikes

[000]

It isn't surprising that Horry's best equals many people's worst, but Horry was higher than ALL of Pippen's Finals (6 for 6)..

Furthermore, gamescore was just 1 metric that was higher than Pippen ever had - Horry's 3.4 blocks, 2.3 steals, three-point attempts and efficiency (spacing), and goat clutch are aspects Pippen didn't have either.

So Pippen simply sucked as confirmed by everyone routinely playing on his level - any bum player is Pippen-caliber.. that's the standard - bumminess - JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 57% in the ECF - that's actually better than Pippen ever did when you consider efficiency... That's the kind of trash company that Pippen holds
19.0 gamescore in the Finals:

Horry = 1

Malone+Stockton+Kemp+Payton+Ewing = 0

[3ba11]

19.0 gamescore in the Finals:

Horry = 1

Malone+Stockton+Kemp+Payton+Ewing = 0


Pippen is 0/6 and those guys you listed are 0/1 and 0/2

Pippen is the only guy that didn't get within 10 ppg of his 1st option more than once in a tenure - think about how weak that is - the bum never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series... ONLY PIPPEN is that bad, aka the worst

You'd think the guy would challenge himself to help Jordan out and average near him for 1 series, smh

[ELITEpower23]

19.0 gamescore in the Finals:

Horry = 1

Malone+Stockton+Kemp+Payton+Ewing = 0

Wrekt :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

Lol

[Johnny32]

Pippen is 0/6 and those guys you listed are 0/1 and 0/2

Pippen is the only guy that didn't get within 10 ppg of his 1st option more than once in a tenure - think about how weak that is - the bum never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series... ONLY PIPPEN is that bad, aka the worst

You'd think the guy would challenge himself to help Jordan out and average near him for 1 series, smh

in any series? false.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen is 0/6 and those guys you listed are 0/1 and 0/2

Pippen is the only guy that didn't get within 10 ppg of his 1st option more than once in a tenure - think about how weak that is - the bum never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any series... ONLY PIPPEN is that bad, aka the worst

You'd think the guy would challenge himself to help Jordan out and average near him for 1 series, smh
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1997-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-hawks-vs-bulls.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pistons-vs-bulls.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-knicks-vs-bulls.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1993-nba-eastern-conference-finals-bulls-vs-knicks.html

For someone who posts 25 times per day on one subject you sure know very little about it

[kawhileonard2]

It's a higher game score than anyone in the 2007 finals as well including the 10.6 Game Score of Lebron. Also a higher game score than anyone in the 2011 finals apart from Wade.

[kawhileonard2]

It's a higher game score than anyone in the 2007 finals as well including the 10.6 Game Score of Lebron. Also a higher game score than anyone in the 2011 finals apart from Wade.

Guys!

[000]

It's a higher game score than anyone in the 2007 finals as well including the 10.6 Game Score of Lebron. Also a higher game score than anyone in the 2011 finals apart from Wade.

Also a higher gamescore than anyone in the 2004 Finals and anyone in the 2000 Finals apart from Shaq

[000]

Also a higher gamescore than anyone in the 2004 Finals and anyone in the 2000 Finals apart from Shaq
Update:

Kobe Finals series with > 19.0 gmscore - 2

Kobe Finals series with < 19.0 gmscore - 5

[Johnny32]

Update:

Kobe Finals series with > 19.0 gmscore - 2

Kobe Finals series with < 19.0 gmscore - 5

that's insane.

[Phoenix]

It isn't surprising that Horry's best equals many people's worst, but Horry was higher than ALL of Pippen's Finals (6 for 6)..

Furthermore, gamescore was just 1 metric that was higher than Pippen ever had - Horry's 3.4 blocks, 2.3 steals, three-point attempts and efficiency (spacing), and goat clutch are aspects Pippen didn't have either.

So Pippen simply sucked as confirmed by everyone routinely playing on his level - any bum player is Pippen-caliber.. that's the standard - bumminess - JR Smith averaged 18/8 on 57% in the ECF - that's actually better than Pippen ever did when you consider efficiency... That's the kind of trash company that Pippen holds

So on account of GameScore, if you replaced 96 MJ with 95 Horry the Bulls still beat the Sonics.

[Jasper]

91 finals Divac
91 finals Worthy
92 finals Porter
92 finals Drexler
93 finals Johnson
93 finals Majerle
94 finals Ewing
94 finals Starks
96 finals Kemp
96 finals Payton
96 finals Schrempf
96 finals Jordan
97 finals Malone
97 finals Stockton
98 finals Malone
98 finals Stockton

Bonus:

1995 finals Horry - 19 gamescore
1991 finals Magic - 20 gamescore
huh ?

[ShawkFactory]

So on account of GameScore, if you replaced 96 MJ with 95 Horry the Bulls still beat the Sonics.

Ummm..don’t you know the game is played on the floor and context and etc.

[Phoenix]

Ummm..don’t you know the game is played on the floor and context and etc.

You'll have to relay that question to 3nutball. He doesn't seem to grasp how counter-productive his asinine takes are.

[3ba11]

So no one responded to the point that it's standard for guys to have 1 or 2 Finals with under 19 gamescore, but 6 of them can only mean the player sucks... :confusedshrug:

:dancin /thread

[SouBeachTalents]

So no one responded to the point that it's standard for guys to have 1 or 2 Finals with under 19 gamescore, but 6 of them can only mean the player sucks... :confusedshrug:

:dancin /thread
Kobe has 5 of them :biggums:

[RRR3]

Kobe has 5 of them :biggums:
Rat poison.

[3ba11]

Kobe has 5 of them :biggums:


5/9 < 6/6

a lot less

pippen is the GOAT of having Finals below peak Horry

kobe actually has so many because of the defensive side - Horry was a great defender and would've been all-defense every year alongside MJ, with an improved offensive game too.. could Horry get to 16 ppg on trash effiiciency like Pippen did?.. tough call, but the bottom line is that MJ would've won a bunch with almost anyone, and Horry would be more than enough... Jordan would have Horry playing at PEAK horry level all the time.

[000]

So no one responded to the point that it's standard for guys to have 1 or 2 Finals with under 19 gamescore, but 6 of them can only mean the player sucks... :confusedshrug:

:dancin /thread
How is it standard for 5 guys put together to have 0 Finals with over 19 gamescore

That's 0 of 7 brah

[Phoenix]

So no one responded to the point that it's standard for guys to have 1 or 2 Finals with under 19 gamescore, but 6 of them can only mean the player sucks... :confusedshrug:

:dancin /thread

There's also no response that a role player like Horry had a higher GmSc than the 96 MVP, scoring champ and finals MVP. Walk away, slowly, from the GmSc argument and go for a walk.

[ShawkFactory]

5/9 < 6/6

a lot less

pippen is the GOAT of having Finals below peak Horry

kobe actually has so many because of the defensive side - Horry was a great defender and would've been all-defense every year alongside MJ, with an improved offensive game too.. could Horry get to 16 ppg on trash effiiciency like Pippen did?.. tough call, but the bottom line is that MJ would've won a bunch with almost anyone, and Horry would be more than enough... Jordan would have Horry playing at PEAK horry level all the time.

It’s 5 of 7

[3ba11]

There's also no response that a role player like Horry had a higher GmSc than the 96 MVP, scoring champ and finals MVP. Walk away, slowly, from the GmSc argument and go for a walk.


A 19 gamescore isn't all-time level, but still represents a pretty good series

so it's standard for all-time greats like Lebron, MJ or Kobe to have a few series below a 19, but only Pippen is 6 for 6 - only Pippen was below peak Horry every time - that was his standard caliber, whereas other guys only dipped that low rarely

[SouBeachTalents]

A 19 gamescore represents a pretty good series, but not all-time level, so it's standard for all-time greats like Lebron, MJ or Kobe to have a few series below a 19, but only Pippen is 6 for 6 - only Pippen was below peak Horry every time
Kobe has more than a few, he has 5 of them, over 70% of his Finals appearances

[Phoenix]

A 19 gamescore isn't all-time level, but still represents a pretty good series

so it's standard for all-time greats like Lebron, MJ or Kobe to have a few series below a 19, but only Pippen is 6 for 6 - only Pippen was below peak Horry every time - that was his standard caliber, whereas other guys only dipped that low rarely

That's not the point though. The manner in which you're using GmSc here applies higher GmSc= better series. If( I haven't bothered looking) 95 finals Horry had a higher GmSc than 96 finals Jordan, then the implication is that Horry played better than MJ for a finals series. Let's remove Pippen from the equation for a moment and lets see if you can explain what Horry having a GmSc higher than one of MJ's means here.

[RRR3]

Kobe has more than a few, he has 5 of them, over 70% of his Finals appearances
Yikes he has no answer for this.

[3ba11]

Kobe has more than a few, he has 5 of them, over 70% of his Finals appearances


Pippen was the only guy that was below Horry every time as a standard - so pippen is nothing more than that - below peak Horry (nowhere near top 75)

[SouBeachTalents]

Most great players rarely dipped below Horry-caliber, or some guys like Kobe did because of defense

but Pippen was the only guy that was below Horry every time, so he's simply below peak Horry PERIOD, aka 100% of the time - pippen is nothing more than that - below peak Horry (nowhere near top 75)
3ball logic

Pippen has 6 Finals under 19=WOAT

Kobe has 5 Finals under 19=Top 2 GOAT

[3ba11]

3ball logic

Pippen has 6 Finals under 19=WOAT

Kobe has 5 Finals under 19=Top 2 GOAT


Only Pippen was below-Horry caliber, while everyone else exceeded it... and routinely

In order to find players that had 100% of their Finals below Horry-caliber (assuming more than 1 or 2 Finals), we have to start looking at complete role players like Longley or something.. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

sob sob sob…stop it SouBeach stop exposing me as an idiot who can’t keep his agenda straight :cry:
:lol

[Phoenix]

That's not the point though. The manner in which you're using GmSc here applies higher GmSc= better series. If( I haven't bothered looking) 95 finals Horry had a higher GmSc than 96 finals Jordan, then the implication is that Horry played better than MJ for a finals series. Let's remove Pippen from the equation for a moment and lets see if you can explain what Horry having a GmSc higher than one of MJ's means here.

3ball?

[Johnny32]

5/9 < 6/6

a lot less

pippen is the GOAT of having Finals below peak Horry

kobe actually has so many because of the defensive side - Horry was a great defender and would've been all-defense every year alongside MJ, with an improved offensive game too.. could Horry get to 16 ppg on trash effiiciency like Pippen did?.. tough call, but the bottom line is that MJ would've won a bunch with almost anyone, and Horry would be more than enough... Jordan would have Horry playing at PEAK horry level all the time.

this clown thinks kobe went to 9 finals lol wtf.

[3ba11]

3ball?


Jordan, Lebron, AD, Wade and Kyrie all played better than peak Horry - only Pippen didn't - and he was 0/6, so a meaningful sample - pippen was simply BELOW peak horry

Accordingly, in addition to PPG, efficiency and FMVP, we can add gamescore to the list of metrics that show Pippen was the least help possible, since it shows he always performed below peak Horry, who was Hakeem's sidekick on his legendary carry-jobs.

[1987_Lakers]

this clown thinks kobe went to 9 finals lol wtf.

:roll:

[3ba11]

3ball logic

Pippen has 6 Finals under 19=WOAT

Kobe has 5 Finals under 19=Top 2 GOAT


It's crazy because even though gamescore overvalues steals/blocks and undervalues scoring, scorers like Wade, AD, Kyrie or Kobe still routinely outperformed peak Horry, while a defensive specialist like Pippen never did

[SouBeachTalents]

It's crazy because even though gamescore overvalues steals/blocks and undervalues scoring, scorers like Wade, AD, Kyrie or Kobe still routinely outperformed peak Horry, while a defensive specialist like Pippen never did
Are you seriously retarded? Kobe DIDN'T routinely outperform peak Horry, I'll repeat it again, he performed worse based on your metric 5 times, only one less than Pippen. And nice job lumping in AD with a whopping one series sample size :lol

Speaking of Wade

2012: 16.3
2013: 14.9
2014: 7.9

3 straight years Wade played substantially worse than Horry based on your own metric

[3ba11]

Are you seriously retarded? Kobe DIDN'T routinely outperform peak Horry, I'll repeat it again, he performed worse based on your metric 5 times, only one less than Pippen. And nice job lumping in AD with a whopping one series sample size :lol

Speaking of Wade

2012: 16.3
2013: 14.9
2014: 7.9

3 straight years Wade played substantially worse than Horry based on your own metric


Everyone is capable of playing better than Horry except Pippen - only Pippen was below Horry (bum), while everyone else was far above - gamescore shows their superior gamescores and Pippen always being inferior

[Phoenix]

Jordan, Lebron, AD, Wade and Kyrie all played better than peak Horry - only Pippen didn't - and he was 0/6, so a meaningful sample - pippen was simply BELOW peak horry

Accordingly, in addition to PPG, efficiency and FMVP, we can add gamescore to the list of metrics that show Pippen was the least help possible, since it shows he always performed below peak Horry, who was Hakeem's sidekick on his legendary carry-jobs.


That's not the point though. The manner in which you're using GmSc here applies higher GmSc= better series. If( I haven't bothered looking) 95 finals Horry had a higher GmSc than 96 finals Jordan, then the implication is that Horry played better than MJ for a finals series. Let's remove Pippen from the equation for a moment and lets see if you can explain what Horry having a GmSc higher than one of MJ's means here.

Let's take this step by step. Does Horry having a higher GmSc in 95 mean he had a better finals series than Jordan in 96? I'm not asking about Pippen, so please keep up.

[Phoenix]

Also, as I said in a prior thread, Pippen had a higher GmSc than the 2nd option/best player in 4 of 6 finals. Be careful.....

[Phoenix]

Everyone is capable of playing better than Horry except Pippen - only Pippen was below Horry (bum), while everyone else was far above - gamescore shows their superior gamescores and Pippen always being inferior

Apparently Horry was capable of having a series better than MJ, based on GmSc. Interesting.....

[3ba11]

Also, as I said in a prior thread, Pippen had a higher GmSc than the 2nd option/best player in 4 of 6 finals. Be careful.....


Pippen was outscored by opposing 2nd options more often in earlier rounds where the opponents only had 2 scorers like the Bulls and weren't sharing shots with 3rd and 4th scoring options like the Bulls' Finals opponents..

Since Pippen didn't have to share the load with 3rd option scorers, he should've been drastically outscoring opposing 2nd options in the Finals... But instead, Pippen's garbage peak of 15-21 ppg basically tied opposing 2nd options with horrible efficiency (aka outplayed)

[3ba11]

Apparently Horry was capable of having a series better than MJ, based on GmSc. Interesting.....


Horry's steals and blocks were insane - it's crazy because even though gamescore overrates steals/blocks and underrates scoring, great scorers like Kyrie, Wade, and AD still had better gamescore than Horry, while a defensive specialist like Pippen never did (0 for 6)... So Pippen's caliber was simply below peak Horry, so he's nowhere near top 75 and vastly overrated.

[zeerghit]

Horry's steals and blocks were insane - it's crazy because even though gamescore overrates steals/blocks and underrates scoring, great scorers like Kyrie, Wade, and AD still had better gamescore than Horry, while a defensive specialist like Pippen never did (0 for 6)... So Pippen's caliber was simply below peak Horry, so he's nowhere near top 75 and vastly overrated.

ur such a punching bag:roll::roll:

[3ba11]

ur such a punching bag:roll::roll:


That post killed but I guess you can't read very well oh well

[zeerghit]

That post killed but I guess you can't read very well oh well

u are main clown of all clowns, enjoy ur saturday getting owned again and again and again

[Phoenix]

Horry's steals and blocks were insane - it's crazy because even though gamescore overrates steals/blocks and underrates scoring, great scorers like Kyrie, Wade, and AD still had better gamescore than Horry, while a defensive specialist like Pippen never did (0 for 6)... So Pippen's caliber was simply below peak Horry, so he's nowhere near top 75 and vastly overrated.

So Horry also had a better series than 96 MJ based on GmSc. Him having a higher GmSc than MJ once is worse than him having a higher GmSc than Pippen multiple times. In fact, 95 Horry also had a higher GmSc than 92 Drexler, Kemp and Payton in 96, Malone in 97 and 98. So since Horry's GmSc being higher than Pippens multiple times= Pippen sucked, Horry's GmSc being higher than MJ's elite competition in 92, 96, 97 and 98= MJ's elite competition sucked. That GmSc is something, innit?

[Phoenix]

Pippen was outscored by opposing 2nd options more often in earlier rounds where the opponents only had 2 scorers like the Bulls and weren't sharing shots with 3rd and 4th scoring options like the Bulls' Finals opponents..

Since Pippen didn't have to share the load with 3rd option scorers, he should've been drastically outscoring opposing 2nd options in the Finals... But instead, Pippen's garbage peak of 15-21 ppg basically tied opposing 2nd options with horrible efficiency (aka outplayed)

Pippen had a higher GmSc than the 2nd option in 4 of 6 finals. :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

u are main clown of all clowns, enjoy ur saturday getting owned again and again and again


you're adhd or at least you act like it

[1987_Lakers]

u are main clown of all clowns, enjoy ur saturday getting owned again and again and again

Facts

[ShawkFactory]

u are main clown of all clowns, enjoy ur saturday getting owned again and again and again

He does legit seem to enjoy it.

[zeerghit]

you're adhd or at least you act like it

have a nice day buddy, keep giving us laughs:roll:

[3ba11]

Pippen had a higher GmSc than the 2nd option in 4 of 6 finals. :confusedshrug:


Yes, but he quit in the closeout games of another one (98') and was outplayed by Stockton in another one (97').. he only had 2 viable Finals (91' and 92')

He was also outplayed in the 96' and 98' ECF.. Or 90' ECF... or 92' and 96' ECSF

[Phoenix]

Yes, but he quit in the closeout games of another one (98') and was outplayed by Stockton in another one (97').. he only had 2 viable Finals (91' and 92')

He was also outplayed in the 96' and 98' ECF.. Or 90' ECF... or 92' and 96' ECSF

So even in quitting his GmSc was still higher. Those opposing team 2nd options must have sucked ass.


So Horry also had a better series than 96 MJ based on GmSc. Him having a higher GmSc than MJ once is worse than him having a higher GmSc than Pippen multiple times. In fact, 95 Horry also had a higher GmSc than 92 Drexler, Kemp and Payton in 96, Malone in 97 and 98. So since Horry's GmSc being higher than Pippens multiple times= Pippen sucked, Horry's GmSc being higher than MJ's elite competition in 92, 96, 97 and 98= MJ's elite competition sucked. That GmSc is something, innit?

The post you quoted came after the above, I've reposted for your convenience. Please explain why Horry had a higher GmSc than 92 Drexler, 96 Kemp and Payton, and Malone in 97 and 98.

[3ba11]

So even in quitting his GmSc was still higher. Those opposing team 2nd options must have sucked ass.



The post you quoted came after the above, I've reposted for your convenience. Please explain why Horry had a higher GmSc than 92 Drexler, 96 Kemp and Payton, and Malone in 97 and 98.


MJ was guarding most of those guys (Drexler, Payton)

And gamescore underrates scoring and overrates steals/blocks, which makes it more startling that a defensive specialist like Pippen couldn't match peak Horry in 6 tries

[72-10]

I've never thought of Robert Horry as a great player.

[3ba11]

I've never thought of Robert Horry as a great player.


Exactly, yet so-called "top 75" all-time player Scottie Pippen never matched peak Horry in 6 of 6 Finals.

Everyone else like Kyrie, Wade, AD, or Lebron had Finals where they exceeded 95' Horry's gamescore - ONLY PIPPEN never matched Horry

[72-10]

Exactly, yet so-called "top 75" all-time player Scottie Pippen never matched peak Horry in 6 of 6 Finals.

Everyone else like Kyrie, Wade, AD, or Lebron had Finals where they exceeded 95' Horry's gamescore - ONLY PIPPEN never exceeded Horry

I think '97 Finals Pippen outplayed Horry's best Finals, but I don't regard Pippen as a top 75 offensive player.

[ShawkFactory]

I can't believe no one has mentioned that GMSC is a cumulative stat, and thus will be naturally be higher in higher-paced situations.

The '95 finals had a 95 pace, while '96-98 averaged at 83. '91-93 averaged out at 88. That's a total average of 85.5, in case you aren't great at math.

So Robert Horry had an extra 10 possessions in his one finals than Pippen did over his 6. And it's extra tough because Jordan is going to be taking 25-30 shots regardless of pace. And it's extra extra tough because Horry has a 4 game sample size.

Fun fact: the pace of the 95 finals wasn't to be matched again until 2017.

[Phoenix]

MJ was guarding most of those guys (Drexler, Payton)



MJ wasn't guarding Kemp and Malone.

[Phoenix]

I can't believe no one has mentioned that GMSC is a cumulative stat, and thus will be naturally be higher in higher-paced situations.

The '95 finals had a 95 pace, while '96-98 averaged at 83. '91-93 averaged out at 88. That's a total average of 85.5, in case you aren't great at math.

So Robert Horry had an extra 10 possessions in his one finals than Pippen did over his 6. And it's extra tough because Jordan is going to be taking 25-30 shots regardless of pace. And it's extra extra tough because Horry has a 4 game sample size.

Fun fact: the pace of the 95 finals wasn't to be matched again until 2017.

The entire GmSc argument is asinine. When Horry's GmSc was higher than half of MJ's elite finals competition, since 3bot is using the GmSc argument against Pippen, it should also be used against MJ's competition( based on the rules he's setting, not on the rules of reality). Watching him squirm about when you point out the unintended conclusions based on his own bullshit is its own reward.