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John_Connor
12-18-2021, 02:12 PM
#1 - LeBron
#2 - Shaq
#3 - Barkley
#4 - Durant
#5 - Drexler
#6 - Wilt
#7 - Malone
#8 - Payton
#9 - Garnett
#10 - Ray
#11 - George
#12 - Pippen
#13 - AD
#14 - Harden
#15 - Mourning
#16 - Webber
#17 - Kyrie
#18 - Cousins
#19 - Horry
#20 - Dwight

3ba11
12-18-2021, 02:17 PM
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Hey Yo
12-18-2021, 02:27 PM
Kobe was chasing before he even got drafted.

3ba11
12-18-2021, 02:30 PM
Kobe was chasing before he even got drafted.


Organic winning was easiest for Kobe because his scoring diversity was goat, so he could fit with any teammates or system

He was also capable of winning titles while defeating maximum defensive attention (carry-job titles) by virtue of not having an equal-scoring partner to attract equal-defensive attention (10 ppg more than sidekick in playoffs and Finals while winning title).

Players that know how to win (organic) while carrying teams are automatic top 10 all-time.. And since Kobe averaged 30 in the triangle and won chips with that offense, that makes him #2 behind the GOAT

SouBeachTalents
12-18-2021, 02:32 PM
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Wally450
12-18-2021, 02:46 PM
Organic winning was easiest for Kobe

:facepalm

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 02:58 PM
Kobe

- Demanded to go the Lakers when first drafted to play with Shaq
- Assembled a super team with Shaq/Karl/GP only for Kobe to shoot his team out of the Finals
- Cried, threw a hissy fit and demanded to be traded because his team wasn't good enough until Pau showed up
- Assembled the super team of Dwight, Nash, & Pau only for the team to become a complete disaster

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 02:59 PM
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old Malone and Payton ring chasing with the Lakers means kobe ring chased?

the Lakers trading bynum for Dwight is kobe ring chasing?

the Lakers trading like 10 first round picks for nash is kobe ring chasing?

washed up artest hopping on the Lakers is kobe ring chasing?

pandiani17
12-18-2021, 03:02 PM
As opposed to what many ISH posters claim, "ring chasing" wasn't a trend started by LeBron in 2010. It's been around forever. Wilt and co. building that Lakers superteam in the 70s would be called ring-chasing nowadays. The Knicks of the same era also had some players who went there on purpose of getting the chip. In the 80s, Moses Malone went to Philly to team up with Dr. J., Bob Macadoo and Bill Walton went to the Lakers and Celtics to get their rings. In the next decade this fashion continued, with Clyde Drexler as an example. I will stop here, as these are just mere examples that came up just now, but I could go on and mention Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Michael Finley, Glenn Robinson, PJ Brown, David West, etc.

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:02 PM
old Malone and Payton ring chasing with the Lakers means kobe ring chased?

the Lakers trading bynum for Dwight is kobe ring chasing?

the Lakers trading like 10 first round picks for nash is kobe ring chasing?

washed up artest hopping on the Lakers is kobe ring chasing?

Malone & GP were both pretty much All-stars the year before joining the Lakers, but Kobe's ball hogging and chucking reduced them to role players.

Lakers traded injury prone Bynum for Dwight who won multiple DPOY awards and made the Finals a couple of years prior

And yes, trading for Nash for all those picks is ring chasing, Kobe was notorious an impatient person when it came to the front office, he was willing to sacrafice 100 picks if it meant landing a player like Nash.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:03 PM
Kobe

- Demanded to go the Lakers when first drafted to play with Shaq
- Assembled a super team with Shaq/Karl/GP only for Kobe to shoot his team out of the Finals
- Cried, threw a hissy fit and demanded to be traded because his team wasn't good enough until Pau showed up
- Assembled the super team of Dwight, Nash, & Pau only for the team to become a complete disaster

kobe wanting to play for a rebuilding Lakers team after magic retired and before shaq got there is kobe ring chasing?

demanding a trade to the bulls or clippers is kobe ring chasing?

already addressed the others

nope sorry. go see any all time ring chasers list on the web and search for any articles. nothing about kobe. this is the only place you ever hear such a thing and it's because Steve is a mental midget schizophrenic life time hermit basement dwelling Jewish midget with isolation sickness that will never stop hating kobe and spends every waking moment of his life trolling this board with 500 alts. it's pathetic man. get a life already

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:05 PM
kobe wanting to play for a rebuilding Lakers team after magic retired and before shaq got there is kobe ring chasing?


Didn't LeBron join the Lakers while they were rebuilding as well and before AD got there?

If you are gonna call that ring chase, then we have to call it a ring chase for Kobe.

RRR3
12-18-2021, 03:06 PM
Payton was washed up but Westbrook is still in his prime. Typical kenny. What a moron.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:07 PM
Didn't LeBron join the Lakers while they were rebuilding as well and before AD got there?

If you are gonna call that ring chase, then we have to call it a ring chase for Kobe.

yeah he tried to win naturally and failed. but then called his agent and AD and forced him to demand a trade to the Lakers. I guess that was more of a collusion/tampering thing than a ring chasing moment. but his Miami and Cleveland hopping were definitely straight up ring chasing moments since he went to a constructed big 3

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:08 PM
Payton was washed up but Westbrook is still in his prime. Typical kenny. What a moron.

kobe had nothing to do with Payton or Malone going to the Lakers


lebron on the other hand flew Westbrook out to his home for a collusion party


kobe never had great relationships with management or other stars around the league. if he was ever pulling strings for LA then they make that trade for kidd

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:10 PM
yeah he tried to win naturally and failed. but then called his agent and AD and forced him to demand a trade to the Lakers. I guess that was more of a collusion/tampering thing than a ring chasing moment. but his Miami and Cleveland hopping were definitely straight up ring chasing moments since he went to a consteucted big 3

Sort of how Kobe tried to win naturally and failed, it wasn't until Jerry West himself gifted Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame Brown that he started winning again. At least we actually gave up some decent assets to get AD.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:14 PM
Sort of how Kobe tried to win naturally and failed, it wasn't until Jerry West himself gifted Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame Brown that he started winning again. At least we actually gave up some decent assets to get AD.

sorry Lakers traded kwame/Marc gasol for Pau and all kobe did was ask for management to try and win now instead of waiting on bynum.

the trade wasn't a forced illegal maneuver. Pau never said "trade me to LA" he never went through his agent

and Pau was a 1 time bench warmer allstar with zero playoff victories at the time. he was nowhere near a superstar

he was second fiddle help that the Lakers got legally and organically.

kobe wanted Kidd after he heard they passed on him he got gasol instead. had they listened to kobe they have Kidd and kwame with bynum and Marc gasol coming up

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:18 PM
if you wanna call jerry/mitch/buss colluders go ahead. kobe never had any say in the Lakers front office deals. period

and Jerry hated Phil and mitch at the time and resented buss

so it doesn't make much sense

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:20 PM
sorry Lakers traded kwame/Marc gasol for Pau and all kobe did was ask for management to try and win now instead of waiting on bynum.

the trade wasn't a forced illegal maneuver. Pau never said "trade me to LA" he never went through his agent

and Pau was a 1 time bench warmer allstar with zero playoff victories at the time. he was nowhere near a superstar

he was second fiddle help that the Lakers got legally and organically.

kobe wanted Kidd after he heard they passed on hi... so he got gasol instead. had they listened to kobe they have Kidd and kwame.

Marc Gasol was an unknown 2nd round player at the time, it was basically Kwame for Gasol, highway robbery. Kobe was being pitty for years, demanding a trade, Jerry West being a true Laker at heart gifted us Gasol. That to me is illegal.

And you shit on what Gasol has done before he got to the Lakers, but what exactly has AD done without LeBron?

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:21 PM
if you wanna call jerry/mitch/buss colluders go ahead. kobe never had any say in the Lakers front office deals. period

and Jerry hated Phil and mitch at the time and resented buss

so it doesn't make much sense

Jerry's colluding helped Kobe, so at the end of the day Kobe won due to colluding. You just admitted it.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:33 PM
Jerry's colluding helped Kobe, so at the end of the day Kobe won due to colluding. You just admitted it.

but you're just assuming a collusion took place. and that's fine. that's your belief so whatever. but that isn't kobes doing. the grizzlies got their buy outs and cap space to rebuild around Marc gasol. they were able to tank and get more picks. Jerry made a good decision considering Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs.

but at the end of the day this isn't a thread about how other people possibly colluded to help a team rebuild or get better because of a Laker connection. and even if it was that would be an assumption

this thread is actually about ring chasers. and kobe isn't one so you crying all day about Jerry west's possible favor wouldn't even hold water if it were accurate. read the thread title next time

ShawkFactory
12-18-2021, 03:36 PM
This is such a stupid conversation.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 03:40 PM
This is such a stupid conversation.

why

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1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 03:50 PM
but you're just assuming a collusion took place. and that's fine. that's your belief so whatever. but that isn't kobes doing. the grizzlies got their buy outs and cap space to rebuild around Marc gasol. they were able to tank and get more picks. Jerry made a good decision considering Pau was 0-12 in the playoffs.

but at the end of the day this isn't a thread about how other people possibly colluded to help a team rebuild or get better because of a Laker connection. and even if it was that would be an assumption



Classic, coming from a guy who says LeBron uses steroids strictly from assumption.

Hey Yo
12-18-2021, 04:11 PM
old Malone and Payton ring chasing with the Lakers means kobe ring chased?

the Lakers trading bynum for Dwight is kobe ring chasing?

the Lakers trading like 10 first round picks for nash is kobe ring chasing?

washed up artest hopping on the Lakers is kobe ring chasing?

He stacked the deck every chance he got.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 04:19 PM
Classic, coming from a guy who says LeBron uses steroids strictly from assumption.

hes been accused by first hand witnesses and shows all the signs of PED usage

giant head

giant jaw

ripped body

never ending prime

constant resurgence in health and mobility

linking rich paul to a Miami steroid clinic

self admittance of spending millions on his body

having a biochemist on his pay roll

all his teammates suddenly bulking up while playing g with him



not quite the same as "duuuuurrrr Jerry worst warz ah waker pwayer durrrrr

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 04:20 PM
hes been accused by first hand witnesses and shows all the signs of PED usage

giant head

giant jaw

ripped body

never ending prime

constant resurgence in health and mobility

linking rich paul to a Miami steroid clinic

self admittance of spending millions on his body

having a biochemist on his pay roll

all his teammates suddenly bulking up while playing g with him



not quite the same as "duuuuurrrr Jerry worst warz ah waker pwayer durrrrr

It's called having great genes.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 04:20 PM
He stacked the deck every chance he got.

he who. of kobe ran the Lakers front office they get Kidd instead of gasol after he was offered for bynum dummy

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 04:23 PM
It's called having great genes.

I've seen his kid that isn't into basketball. there's nothing in his family that screams great genetics

and his other kid was undersized and looked like trash then all of a sudden his head is as big as those promethius engineers and he's ripped. seems a bit odd

remember wades transformation. then Carusos. then AD.. seems a bit fishy.

especially when first take and undisputed mock him for it and even his advocates can't deny it

lebron will be in year 25 heading for point #50,000 before he's finished

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 04:28 PM
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Gohan
12-18-2021, 04:56 PM
Kobe is def not a ring chaser, anyone that says that loses all credibility

tpols
12-18-2021, 05:01 PM
Sort of how Kobe tried to win naturally and failed, it wasn't until Jerry West himself gifted Gasol to the Lakers for Kwame Brown that he started winning again. At least we actually gave up some decent assets to get AD.

Memphis got Marc Gasol in that trade who would end up being their MVP for years going forward. And who was easily better than ingram or lonzo.

Besides its impossible for somebody who played for 1 team for 20 years to be a ring chaser. Kobe just won rings period lol. No chase needed.

1987_Lakers
12-18-2021, 05:07 PM
Memphis got Marc Gasol in that trade who would end up being their MVP for years going forward. And who was easily better than ingram or lonzo.

Besides its impossible for somebody who played for 1 team for 20 years to be a ring chaser. Kobe just won rings period lol. No chase needed.

Easier to play for one team if you are gifted with playing with Shaq in your first few years compared to Big Z.

John_Connor
12-18-2021, 05:11 PM
Easier to play for one team if you are gifted with playing with Shaq in your first few years compared to Big Z.

you act like lebron didn't get 10 free trips to the finals where anything can happen

just playing in the east was lebrons "shaq" lmao

tpols
12-18-2021, 05:20 PM
Easier to play for one team if you are gifted with playing with Shaq in your first few years compared to Big Z.

If that's all Kobe ever won with it would be a valid argument but he won back to back rings with a couple guys who never even made an All NBA team before playing with him. And if he won with prime marc / odom / bynum you guys would still say he was carried. Marc Gasol was All NBA, DPOY, and All Star caliber player.

Spurs m8
12-18-2021, 06:48 PM
Posting in LeCareer's thread

Baller789
12-18-2021, 10:24 PM
Easier to play for one team if you are gifted with playing with Shaq in your first few years compared to Big Z.


you act like lebron didn't get 10 free trips to the finals where anything can happen

just playing in the east was lebrons "shaq" lmao

Lebron's automatic bye to the finals virtually for a decade is intentionally being ignored by his rabid fanbase. I wonder why?

1987_Lakers
12-19-2021, 12:53 AM
you act like lebron didn't get 10 free trips to the finals where anything can happen

just playing in the east was lebrons "shaq" lmao

It wasn't any worse than the 80's West, yet Magic with Kareem could only dream of making 10 straight Finals.

There were some years LeBron straight up willed his team to the Finals, 2018 coming to mind. By 2013, Wade was hobbled by Knee issues and clearly past his prime. And in 2015 the Cavs lost Kevin Love early in the playoffs.

It's pretty amazing to me that despite the West being just as weak in the 80's... my Lakers with having all-time great talent on the roster came no where close to reaching 10 straight Finals. That right there is an achievement by LeBron, no question.

TheGoatest
12-19-2021, 01:00 AM
LeBron is #1 on the "willingly putting himself in the most difficult situation to win a ring and winning one anyway" list.
I still can't believe that he could've gone to any team he wanted to in 2014, yet willingly chose to play with a bunch of losers who have never played a playoff minute in their careers.
One of the bravest moves in history.

RogueBorg
12-19-2021, 11:08 AM
1a. Lebron 1b. Durant

2-.....everyone else

Baller789
12-19-2021, 11:16 AM
LeBron is #1 on the "willingly putting himself in the most difficult situation to win a ring and winning one anyway" list.
I still can't believe that he could've gone to any team he wanted to in 2014, yet willingly chose to play with a bunch of losers who have never played a playoff minute in their careers.
One of the bravest moves in history.

And who here agrees with you?

TheCorporation
12-19-2021, 11:21 AM
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I guess it's only "ring chasing" if you actually win. Otherwise you're just considered a pathetic failure :lol

Airupthere
12-19-2021, 12:31 PM
1a. Lebron 1b. Durant

2-.....everyone else

This. Two of the worst in history. Both in their absolute prime joining players in their primes as well to form superteams.

John_Connor
12-19-2021, 01:06 PM
I guess it's only "ring chasing" if you actually win. Otherwise you're just considered a pathetic failure :lol

only artest, Payton and Malone are ring chasers out of the people in those photos from those specific years though. perhaps Phil too

nobody ever knocks hakeems 95 ring. just Drexlers. there was no collusion. just an older guy looking for a ring from an established champion

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-19-2021, 01:15 PM
How do you 'ring chase' playing for 1 franchise?

Some of yall are completely deluded :oldlol:

Full Court
12-19-2021, 01:29 PM
#1 - LeBron
#2 - Shaq
#3 - Barkley
#4 - Durant
#5 - Drexler
#6 - Wilt
#7 - Malone
#8 - Payton
#9 - Garnett
#10 - Ray
#11 - George
#12 - Pippen
#13 - AD
#14 - Harden
#15 - Mourning
#16 - Webber
#17 - Kyrie
#18 - Cousins
#19 - Horry
#20 - Dwight

How is Kawhi not on your list???

John_Connor
12-19-2021, 02:12 PM
How is Kawhi not on your list???

he didn't wanna go to Toronto and went to a worse situation in LA to be close to family. he colluded with George but that isn't better than what he woulda had going into 2020 with the Raptors. colluding yes. ring chasing no