The top 5 all-time turnovers list is a collection of goat losers

[3ba11]

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Imagine if Lebron and Moses hadn't formed super-teams... :facepalm:

Each year, Lebron is top 5 in turnovers per game and within 0.5 of Westbrook most years, so there's a double standard where Westbrook is criticized but Lebron isn't.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_career.html

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe top 5 in TOs despite not even playing a PG role like LeBron.

:roll:

[000]

Didnt MJ face two of those guys in the Finals back to back

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe top 5 in TOs despite not even playing a PG role like LeBron.

:roll:

6 is not top 5. So it doesn’t count.

[1987_Lakers]

6 is not top 5. So it doesn’t count.

Top 5 in NBA history.

[SouBeachTalents]

6 is not top 5. So it doesn’t count.
Yep, despite having significantly less assists than 3 of those guys too :lol

[1987_Lakers]

And lol @ Moses averaging more than twice as many turnovers than assists.

Chris Paul only in the 40's on that list, very impressive.

[3ba11]

And lol @ Moses averaging more than twice as many turnovers than assists.

Chris Paul only in the 40's on that list, very impressive.


I made this thread because bum Shannon Sharpe said that it's impossible to win with someone that leads the league in turnovers (Westbrook)...

So what about the guy that leads everyone in history in turnovers? It must be impossible to win with that guy too... That guy would probably still mostly lose with super-teams and 1b teammates.

[Dr. Lemon]

Westbrick is already in the top 5. :oldlol:

[RogueBorg]

And lol @ Moses averaging more than twice as many turnovers than assists.

Chris Paul only in the 40's on that list, very impressive.

When Big Mo got the ball down low, it wasn't coming back out fellas.

[Ne 1]

I made this thread because bum Shannon Sharpe said that it's impossible to win with someone that leads the league in turnovers (Westbrook)...

So what about the guy that leads everyone in history in turnovers? It must be impossible to win with that guy too... That guy would probably still mostly lose with super-teams and 1b teammates.

Westbrook averages more turnovers per game.

LeBron typically plays more games than anyone and plays a lot of minutes. Prior to last year LeBron had only misses 70 games. So if you play often and also every night you are bound to have a total amount of turnovers. It's like a QB that throws 60 times a game but averages 2 picks per game.

That's a lot of throws and a lot of potential picks.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Hahahhahaha f'n bums especially Moses because he doesn't even pass the ball.

Jordan and Kawhi are the best are not turning the ball over

[SouBeachTalents]

Hahahhahaha f'n bums especially Moses because he doesn't even pass the ball.

Jordan and Kawhi are the best are not turning the ball over
Hard to turn the ball over sitting on the bench

[SATAN]

Hard to turn the ball over sitting on the bench

:lol

[3ba11]

Westbrook averages more turnovers per game.

LeBron typically plays more games than anyone and plays a lot of minutes. Prior to last year LeBron had only misses 70 games. So if you play often and also every night you are bound to have a total amount of turnovers. It's like a QB that throws 60 times a game but averages 2 picks per game.

That's a lot of throws and a lot of potential picks.


Every year, Lebron is top 5 in turnovers per game and within 0.5 of Westbrook..

Accordingly, it's his all-time level of turnovers per game (perennial top 5 each year) that makes him #1 all-time when you include his longevity.

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe top 5 in TOs despite not even playing a PG role like LeBron.

:roll:

actually he did. but just not as much. kobe was the point guard for the lakers when they broke the triangle. he brought the ball up a ton for many years and initiated the offense. ran pick and rolls. he just limited his playmaking to keep the flow of the offense going

leading assist totals for LA:

1997 - Nick Van Exel
1998 - Nick Van Exel
1999 - Derek Fisher
2000 - Kobe Bryant
2001 - Kobe Bryant
2002 - Kobe Bryant
2003 - Kobe Bryant
2004 - Gary Payton
2005 - Kobe Bryant
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2007 - Kobe Bryant
2008 - Kobe Bryant
2009 - Kobe Bryant
2010 - Kobe Bryant
2011 - Kobe Bryant
2012 - Kobe Bryant
2013 - Kobe Bryant
2014 - Kendall Marshall
2015 - Jeremy Lin
2016 - D'angelo Russell



when you play that long and handle the ball that much you'l have a ton of turnovers

if you go by per game averages kobe is actually 16th all time

#1 Russell Westbrick 4.14
#2 Magic Johnson 3.87
#3 Isiah Thomas 3.76
#4 james Harden 3.75
#5 Allen Iverson 3.57
#6 Lebron james 3.51
#7 Reggie Theus 3.40
#8 Bernard King 3.19
#9 Dwyane Wade 3.16
#10 Charles Barkley 3.15
#11 Kevin Durant 3.14
#12 Larry Bird 3.14
#13 Karl Malone 3.07
#14 Moses Malone 3.05
#15 Patrick Ewing 2.99
#16 Kobe Bryant 2.98


and btw i wasn't signed in so i saw your post. you're still blocked steve

[3ba11]

when you play that long and handle the ball that much you'l have a ton of turnovers





Jordan and Kobe handled the ball a similar amount, but Jordan's turnovers were far lower despite actually having the highest usage of all-time and being the only guy in history to face maximum defensive attention/burden for his entire career (i.e. everyone else had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention for various playoff runs, while MJ carried the scoring load in every SERIES, aka carry-job).

Btw, consider that Pippen was a mid-tier playmaker (5 apg) that averaged less assists than MJ for their Finals career, Playoff career, and regular season career - so if Pippen's mid-tier playmaking helped Jordan, think about how much greater he would be with a TOP-TIER PLAYMAKER like Stockton or Harden (guys that average 2 or 3 times the assists of Pippen).. Pippen infact averaged the least assists compared to Lebron's teammates like Kyrie, Wade, Westbrook, or Rondo.







if you go by per game averages kobe is actually 16th all time

#1 Russell Westbrick 4.14
#2 Magic Johnson 3.87
#3 Isiah Thomas 3.76
#4 james Harden 3.75
#5 Allen Iverson 3.57
#6 Lebron james 3.51
#7 Reggie Theus 3.40
#8 Bernard King 3.19
#9 Dwyane Wade 3.16
#10 Charles Barkley 3.15
#11 Kevin Durant 3.14
#12 Larry Bird 3.14
#13 Karl Malone 3.07
#14 Moses Malone 3.05
#15 Patrick Ewing 2.99
#16 Kobe Bryant 2.98





There's a massive trend of losing Finals records among the top 10 guys, and a more winning trend after #10

Kobe at 16th is pretty impressive given his reputation as a gunner - and he didn't have anyone setting him up just like Jordan lacked elite playmakers to set up up - Kobe and Jordan were the only elite playmakers on their team where if more than 7 assists was needed - only they would provide it..

Ringer.com documented (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499374-Ringer-com-MJ-was-30-yrs-ahead-of-time-as-30-10-10-PG-like-Westbrook-Luka-etc) how Jordan actually demonstrated futuristic point guard ability in 1989 when he averaged 30/10/10 during an extended stretch at point guard nearly 30 years before Luka, Westbrook and company did so in the "30/10/10 era".

[ELITEpower23]

OP was today years old when he learned what assist to turnover ratio is :oldlol:

#WhatARookie
#MustBeNew :oldlol:

[3ba11]

OP was today years old when he learned what assist to turnover ratio is :oldlol:

#WhatARookieFan
#MustBeNew :oldlol:


As the 6th ranked guy all-time in turnovers per game but only the 24th ranked guy in assists, I'm sure that Lebron has one of the worst assists-to-turnover ratios ever.

A goat turnover machine with non-goat-level APG = bad assist-to-turnover ratio

[ELITEpower23]

As the 6th ranked guy all-time in turnovers per game but only the 24th ranked guy in assists, I'm sure that Lebron has one of the worst assists-to-turnover ratios ever.

A goat turnover machine with non-goat-level APG = bad assist-to-turnover ratio

LeBron has GOAT level AST-2-TO ratio among #1 options

Far superior to Kobe and Jordan

NEXT :oldlol:

[pauk]

Its a PG thing, even Magic averaged up to ~5 tos per game... Magic with 20 seasons under his belt would murder that turnover totals list... dont know of any starting traditional PG (who dished the ball and tried to create and thread the needle) in history who didnt turnover so much anyways...

As far as Malone and Moses goes, no excuses there....

I mean if u are in that list as a Sg-sf-pf-c then thats kinda bad considering that means your turnovers came mostly by fumbling the ball, with less usage% compared to a PG.. and not by way of distributing it, PGs get a pass for that because they make up for it...

[3ba11]

Its a PG thing, even Magic averaged up to ~5 tos per game... Magic with 20 seasons under his belt would murder that turnover totals list... dont know of any starting traditional PG (who dished the ball and tried to create and thread the needle) in history who didnt turnover so much anyways...

As far as Malone and Moses goes, no excuses there....

I mean if u are in that list as a Sg-sf-pf-c then thats kinda bad considering that means your turnovers came mostly by fumbling the ball, with less usage% compared to a PG.. and not by way of distributing it, PGs get a pass for that because they make up for it...


Lebron starts at forward but has more turnovers than anyone - more than any PG or forward

He's a turnover machine with low team assists (ball-dominator) and weak jumpshooting efficiency, which hurts his team's capacity for ball movement (the best strategy)

[000]

Lebron starts at forward but has more turnovers than anyone - more than any PG or forward

He's a turnover machine with low team assists (ball-dominator) and weak jumpshooting efficiency, which hurts his team's capacity for ball movement (the best strategy)

Is there anything Lebron is good at

Besides "collusion"