Lebron was gifted 10 players that were getting prime Pippen stats the prior year

[3ba11]

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CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

1) 2003 ZYDRUNAS............ 18/9 and 2.5 block (all-star)

2) 2005 LARRY HUGHES.... 22/6/5 and 1st team defense

3) 2008 MO WILLIAMS....... 17 and 6 apg

4) 2009 SHAQ..................... 18/9 (All-Star MVP)

5) 2009 JAMISON............... 22/9 (outplayed Lebron H2H in 07' playoffs)

6-10) WADE, BOSH, LOVE, KYRIE, AD

[Airupthere]

Can BJ, pax, cartwright, kerr, longley, caffey, bump off anyone in that list?

[zeerghit]

Can BJ, pax, cartwright, kerr, longley, caffey, bump off anyone in that list?

why u keep calling lebron fans trolls? serious? wtf you doing it now?

[Lebron23]

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CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

1) 2003 ZYDRUNAS............ 18/9 and 2.5 block (all-star)

2) 2005 LARRY HUGHES.... 22/6/5 and 1st team defense

3) 2008 MO WILLIAMS....... 17 and 6 apg

4) 2009 SHAQ..................... 18/9 (All-Star MVP)

5) 2009 JAMISON............... 22/9 (outplayed Lebron H2H in 07' playoffs)

6-10) WADE, BOSH, LOVE, KYRIE, AD

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[Wally450]

Deadass, do you ever get sick of starting thread after thread after thread discussing the same thing over and over? At this point it has to be a mental problem.

[MrFonzworth]

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:roll:

[Airupthere]

The bottle is not going to help his yellow eyes.

[GrayGoat]

Did any of those players get fmvp votes like Rodman?

[3ba11]

Did any of those players get fmvp votes like Rodman?


You're complaining about MJ losing a single vote in 6 Finals, but no one in history went more than 2 Finals without a FMVP sidekick or an elite-scoring sidekick (25 ppg) - so Jordan won 3 times more than anyone else with a lower-producing sidekick (pippen is 0/6 in fmvp and peaked at 21 ppg).

[zeerghit]

You're complaining about MJ losing a single vote in 6 Finals, but no one in history went more than 2 Finals without a FMVP sidekick or an elite-scoring sidekick (25 ppg) - so Jordan won 3 times more than anyone else with a lower-producing sidekick (pippen is 0/6 in fmvp and peaked at 21 ppg).
u lying again.. its was 5 of them

[3ba11]

u lying again.. its was 5 of them


Who cares - you're complaining about MJ losing votes, when no one in history went more than 2 Finals without a teammate WINNING fmvp or scoring at an elite level (25 ppg) - so Jordan won 3 times more than anyone else with a lower-producing sidekick (pippen is 0/6 in fmvp and peaked at 21 ppg).

[zeerghit]

Who cares - you're complaining about MJ losing votes, when no one in history went more than 2 Finals without a teammate WINNING fmvp or scoring at an elite level (25 ppg) - so Jordan won 3 times more than anyone else with a lower-producing sidekick (pippen is 0/6 in fmvp and peaked at 21 ppg).

exactly nobody cares about your opinion, couse you always lying.

[3ba11]

exactly nobody cares about your opinion, couse you always lying.


Rodman got 2 votes... so you're just whining and avoiding the fact that Lebron was gifted 10 players that were getting prime pippen stats the prior year to joining LeFraud.. Imagine being gifted 10 guys that were producing like prime pippen... 10 guys... lots of chances to win - lots of 1 seeds and super-teams - yet only 4 chips including 2 teammate bailouts

[zeerghit]

Rodman got 2 votes... so you're just whining and avoiding the fact that Lebron was gifted 10 players that were getting prime pippen stats the prior year to joining LeFraud.. Imagine being gifted 10 guys that were producing like prime pippen... 10 guys... lots of chances to win - lots of 1 seeds and super-teams - yet only 4 chips including 2 teammate bailouts

ok name them? we play defence aswell its 50/50 dont forget.

[3ba11]

ok name them? we play defence aswell its 50/50 dont forget.


CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:


1) 2003 ZYDRUNAS............ 18/9 and 2.5 block (all-star)

2) 2005 LARRY HUGHES...... 22/6/5 and 1st team defense

3) 2008 MO WILLIAMS........ 17 and 6 apg

4) 2009 SHAQ.................... 18/9 (All-Star MVP)

5) 2009 JAMISON............... 22/9 (outplayed Lebron H2H in 07' playoffs)

6-10) WADE, BOSH, LOVE, KYRIE, AD (wade was all-defense in 2010)

[zeerghit]

CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:


1) 2003 ZYDRUNAS............ 18/9 and 2.5 block (all-star)

2) 2005 LARRY HUGHES...... 22/6/5 and 1st team defense

3) 2008 MO WILLIAMS........ 17 and 6 apg

4) 2009 SHAQ.................... 18/9 (All-Star MVP)

5) 2009 JAMISON............... 22/9 (outplayed Lebron H2H in 07' playoffs)

6-10) WADE, BOSH, LOVE, KYRIE, AD (wade was all-defense in 2010)

we play defence aswell its 50/50 dont forget. its ur final top 10?

[3ba11]

we play defence aswell its 50/50 dont forget. its ur final top 10?





Year prior to joining Lebron:



* Zydrunas averaged 2.5 blocks in 2003

* Hughes was all-defense in 2005

* Wade was all-defense in 2010


Battier and Varejao were also all-defenders, so Lebron played with far more all-defenders and more good defenders/rebounders overall than MJ, and also far better rim protection

[ELITEpower23]

So did any of those players get fmvp votes like Rodman?

[3ba11]

So did any of those players get fmvp votes like Rodman?


That's an indictment on Pippen

The 90's Bulls are the only team that won more than 2 Finals without a teammate getting FMVP or elite production (25 ppg).. So MJ won 3 times as much with a low-producing sidekick than anyone else.

[zeerghit]

Year prior to joining Lebron:



* Zydrunas averaged 2.5 blocks in 2003

* Hughes was all-defense in 2005

* Wade was all-defense in 2010


Battier and Varejao were also all-defenders, so Lebron played with far more all-defenders and more good defenders/rebounders overall than MJ, and also far better rim protection

u got 1 right and sadly 9 wrong.

[ELITEpower23]

That's an indictment on Pippen

The 90's Bulls are the only team that won more than 2 Finals without a teammate getting FMVP or elite production (25 ppg).. So MJ won 3 times as much with a low-producing sidekick than anyone else.

Cool dude.

So did ANY of those players get fmvp votes like Rodman?

[3ba11]

u got 1 right and sadly 9 wrong.


Lebron's teams from 2020, 2007 and 2009-2012 had better-ranked defenses than the 91-93' Bulls and more scoring options (his teams from 2010-2022 had 3rd scoring options, which MJ never had).

Infact, the 2009 Cavs had the #3 ranked defense compared to 19th for the 1990 Bulls, while Mo was superior offensively to Pippen across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP) - this matters because it means that Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles by winning the next year in 91', while Lebron lost in 10' again after adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite.

[zeerghit]

Lebron's teams from 2020, 2007 and 2009-2012 had better-ranked defenses than the 91-93' Bulls and more scoring options (his teams from 2010-2022 had 3rd scoring options, which MJ never had).

Infact, the 2009 Cavs had the #3 ranked defense compared to 19th for the 1990 Bulls, while Mo was superior offensively to Pippen across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP) - this matters because it means that Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles by winning the next year in 91', while Lebron lost in 10' again after adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite.

1-9

[ELITEpower23]

Lebron's teams from 2020, 2007 and 2009-2012 had better-ranked defenses than the 91-93' Bulls and more scoring options (his teams from 2010-2022 had 3rd scoring options, which MJ never had).

Infact, the 2009 Cavs had the #3 ranked defense compared to 19th for the 1990 Bulls, while Mo was superior offensively to Pippen across the board (PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP) - this matters because it means that Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan beat him to titles by winning the next year in 91', while Lebron lost in 10' again after adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite.

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[GrayGoat]

How many of those players led in assists, rebounds, steals, blocks like Pippen?

[3ba11]

How many of those players led in assists, rebounds, steals, blocks like Pippen?


Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career, while Horace or Rodman led the rebounds, so Pippen did nothing..

Jordan also got more DPOY votes every year and was considered the better defender, while being the primary defender on the opponent's best player (Magic, Drexler, Miller, Payton, Isiah)

[zeerghit]

Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career and regular season career, while Horace or Rodman led the rebounds, so Pippen did nothing..

Jordan also got more DPOY votes every year and was considered the better defender, while being the primary defender on the opponent's best player (Magic, Drexler, Miller, Payton, Isiah)

read the question? wtf is wrong with you?

[GrayGoat]

How many of those players led in assists, rebounds, steals, blocks like Pippen?

Anyone?

[Airupthere]

What a waste of all bron's teammates talents and potential. Even an old shaq could have been utilized better. Problem with the bron system is he never lets anyone else's game grow. That is why they all diminish under him. How can anyone else lead in assists when everyone's been made into spectator teammates? No chance when bron has the ball all the time. It has been a repeating pattern in all the superbananaboat teams that he jumped ship to. Same story over and over.

[Airupthere]

Isn't it crazy that the list of teammates to blame for lebron keeps getting longer and longer?

Meanwhile, teammates like Pip, Horace, Luc, Rodman, BJ, Kerr, Randy Brown, Wennington, Kukoc, Buchler are all remembered well. They all had their fair share in the game and they all contributed to the winning culture in that dynasty.

[GrayGoat]

What a waste of all bron's teammates talents and potential. Even an old shaq could have been utilized better. Problem with the bron system is he never lets anyone else's game grow. That is why they all diminish under him. How can anyone else lead in assists when everyone's been made into spectator teammates? No chance when bron has the ball all the time. It has been a repeating pattern in all the superbananaboat teams that he jumped ship to. Same story over and over.

More LeBron love notes all day everyday :pimp:

[Hey Yo]

So now all of a sudden All-defense awards count and not just media awards like you said they were, 3ball?

Why does James' teammates count but MJ's doesnt?

[Hey Yo]

What a waste of all bron's teammates talents and potential. Even an old shaq could have been utilized better. Problem with the bron system is he never lets anyone else's game grow. That is why they all diminish under him. How can anyone else lead in assists when everyone's been made into spectator teammates? No chance when bron has the ball all the time. It has been a repeating pattern in all the superbananaboat teams that he jumped ship to. Same story over and over.

So he won 4 titles by himself?

[Airupthere]

So he won 4 titles by himself?

Yes as the narrative from branstans say. He only needed a ball.

[Hey Yo]

Yes as the narrative from branstans say. He only needed a ball.

You're the one saying he turns teammates into shit. So that's obviously you insinuating he won titles by himself.

If he made teammates shit, then why you call them superteams?

[Airupthere]

You're the one saying he turns teammates into shit. So that's obviously you insinuating he did it by himself.

If he made teammates shit, then why you call them superteams?

Superteams on potential. Stars prior to playing with him. They do fine the first year, 2 years at most then it's downhill from there. We've seen this with the Heatles, Cavs, then now with the Lakers. Can't create and sustain a winning culture. See curry for contrast.

[bison]

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CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

1) 2003 ZYDRUNAS............ 18/9 and 2.5 block (all-star)

2) 2005 LARRY HUGHES.... 22/6/5 and 1st team defense

3) 2008 MO WILLIAMS....... 17 and 6 apg

4) 2009 SHAQ..................... 18/9 (All-Star MVP)

5) 2009 JAMISON............... 22/9 (outplayed Lebron H2H in 07' playoffs)

6-10) WADE, BOSH, LOVE, KYRIE, AD

I just got out of a coma and haven’t watched nba since 2003. Wow this lebron guy whom I’ve been told is the GOAT had some great sidekicks. He must have 12 rings by now right? Right???

[Hey Yo]

Superteams on potential. Stars prior to playing with him. They do fine the first year, 2 years at most then it's downhill from there. We've seen this with the Heatles, Cavs, then now with the Lakers. Can't create and sustain a winning culture. See curry for contrast.

LOL at moving the goalposts when you know you got shit on.

"LeBron makes his teammates play like shit but they're still a superteam"

You're a ****in retard :lol

[Hey Yo]

So now all of a sudden All-defense awards count and not just media awards like you said they were, 3ball?

Why does James' teammates count but MJ's doesnt?

3ball??

[zeerghit]

I just got out of a coma and haven’t watched nba since 2003. Wow this lebron guy whom I’ve been told is the GOAT had some great sidekicks. He must have 12 rings by now right? Right???

with that help and only 4, such a looser

[Airupthere]

LOL at moving the goalposts when you know you got shit on.

"LeBron makes his teammates play like shit but they're still a superteam"

You're a ****in retard :lol

Lol it's not moving the goalpost. Lebron handpicks his calls to his superfriends based on the purpose of building a superteam. So MIA was not a superteam? Remember "Not 1, not 2,...?" and "Yes we did?". It was because they knew they broke the barrier. The "Yes we did" means, shit we did the unthinkable, we formed a superteam meant to be a dynasty for 8 years or so. That kind of imbalance in the league is what Lebron had in mind in his favor.

What did not go in his favor? Building team chemistry and a winning culture. Teammates likes Wade and Bosh faded away at an early age. He recruits players that are stars but is unable to sustain them as stars playing with him.

[GrayGoat]

Lol it's not moving the goalpost. Lebron handpicks his calls to his superfriends based on the purpose of building a superteam. So MIA was not a superteam? Remember "Not 1, not 2,...?" and "Yes we did?". It was because they knew they broke the barrier. The "Yes we did" means, shit we did the unthinkable, we formed a superteam meant to be a dynasty for 8 years or so. That kind of imbalance in the league is what Lebron had in mind in his favor.

What did not go in his favor? Building team chemistry and a winning culture. Teammates likes Wade and Bosh faded away at an early age. He recruits players that are stars but is unable to sustain them as stars playing with him.
Your anti LeBron crusade continues. Hope you are getting paid for it :)

[3ba11]

So now all of a sudden All-defense awards count and not just media awards like you said they were, 3ball?

Why does James' teammates count but MJ's doesnt?


I'm just using the logic that you guys use... So you want to cite bullshit media awards like all-defense?... That's cool because Lebron played with more guys that had all-defense resume.

Ultimately, Hughes achieved peak Pippen performance on both sides of the ball in 2005 - so Lebron was gifted peak Pippen production to add to the East all-star center - damn near a big 3 just to make the playoffs lol

[Baller789]

You're the one saying he turns teammates into shit. So that's obviously you insinuating he won titles by himself.

If he made teammates shit, then why you call them superteams?

Yeah but branfanbois said he only needed a ball.

So which is it?