Historical Record: no player was shackled to another quite like MJ to Pippen

[GrayGoat]

MJ has absolutely 0 success without him.

[Bawkish]

MJ has absolutely 0 success without him.

MJ won MVP, DPOY, scoring champ, All-Star MVP in 1988

[GrayGoat]

MJ won MVP, DPOY, scoring champ, All-Star MVP in 1988

And the playoffs? Media awards ok

[eliteballer]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

[kawhileonard2]

MJ won MVP, DPOY, scoring champ, All-Star MVP in 1988

MJ won 5 league mvp, 6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, DPOY. How many did Pippen get if so good?

[GrayGoat]

MJ won 5 league mvp, 6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, DPOY. How many did Pippen get if so good?

How many playoff wins minus Pippen?

[Baller789]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

:roll:

OP is in damage control for LBJ. Recycling this old & worn down topic.

[GrayGoat]

LeBeast

[Spurs m8]

So shackled Pippen won multiple fmvp, scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, etc...

Oh wait...he didn't even win one

The daily MJ meltdowns never get old

[Spurs m8]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

:roll::roll:

That's our LeBarryBonds

[2ball]

Op is weaponizing a coincidence

[kawhileonard2]

How many playoff wins minus Pippen?

MJ won 5 league mvp, 6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, DPOY. How many did Pippen get if so good?

[kawhileonard2]

LeBeast

Answer it

All of them

This

(
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for)

List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting


Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote


Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title


Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did


Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently


Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780


Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG

http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543



Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal


Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF



Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

[2ball]

Answer it

All of them

This

(
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for)

List of who beat Jordan, Lebron and Kobe in a tournament setting
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495710-List-of-who-beat-Jordan-Lebron-and-Kobe-in-a-tournament-setting


Giannis just destroyed LeBron’s entire career and legacy with a single quote
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496010-Giannis-just-destroyed-LeBron%92s-entire-career-and-legacy-with-a-single-quote


Lebron with Shaq - 2nd round exit, Giannis with Middleton a Title
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title


Giannis Finals is greater than Anything Lebron ever did.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495947-Giannis-Finals-is-greater-than-Anything-Lebron-ever-did


Giannis just blasted those who join super teams in post conference interview
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

Devin Booker Vs Lebron James - who is better currently?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently


Devin Booker put up 47 his playoff career high on Lebron .....
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401358780


Lebron won 2 bronze medals for the United States of America. How?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

Why did he embarrass the United States of America losing to inferior competition with another top 5 player all time on the squad and other guys who won league mvp in the NBA?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/years/2004/
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG

http://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543



Lebron with Tim Duncan = Bronze Medal in Olympics, Vince with KG = Gold Medal
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal


Lebron with Carlos Boozer - No Playoffs, Deron Williams with Carlos Boozer - WCF.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF



Lebron stacking the deck in 2022 because he is afraid of Devin Booker
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher
Well said. Kawhi is the weakest clone of MJ and yet he still dominates the league

[iamgine]

How bout Curry & Draymond

[Bawkish]

And the playoffs? Media awards ok

LeStains shackled to moving goalposts as per usual

[TheGoatest]

MJ has absolutely 0 success without him.

It doesn't help Jordan's cause one bit that Pippen had more success than him on both of the occasions he played without Jordan than Jordan did on the two occasions he played without Pip.

[TheGoatest]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

Jordan was shackled to roids AND Pippen.

[John8204]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

Could be true...we'll find out in his later years if he ends up with health problems...like MJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFtY6KgS58

shady man is shady

[TheGoatest]

Op is weaponizing a coincidence

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.

[Baller789]

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.

So, have you found those people in the forum who agree with your methodologies?

[Spurs m8]

Could be true...we'll find out in his later years if he ends up with health problems...like MJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFtY6KgS58

shady man is shady

MJ is cutting this b1tch deep lmao

[TheGoatest]

So, have you found those people in the forum who agree with your methodologies?

:oldlol: Meltdown

[SATAN]

MJ has absolutely 0 success without him.

Demar...I mean, Michael hit a mid range jump shot to win in college. :confusedshrug:

Also Sir Charles got him a medal. :confusedshrug:

[ELITEpower23]

MJ won MVP, DPOY, scoring champ, All-Star MVP in 1988

$tats

[ELITEpower23]

How many playoff wins minus Pippen?

:oldlol::roll:

[SATAN]

no player was shackled to a coach quite like MJ to Phil :durantunimpressed:

[Baller789]

:oldlol: Meltdown

Meltdown? Why?
Why are you melting down?
Is it because no one defends your methodology?

[expansionera]

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.

This is enough info to abolish Nike and Hanes commercials for decades

[paksat]

michael jordan

[AirBonner]

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.

Brutal reality

[3ba11]

Giannis, Lebron, Curry and Durant didn't win a playoff series in their first few years either, so it's a timing thing and has nothing to do with Pippen, who was a 7 ppg rookie bench player when MJ started winning.. So you're just weaponizing the coincidence that the only years MJ didn't play with Pippen are the years that nearly EVERYONE loses, aka weak argument


https://c.tenor.com/xZm5QHMWi6wAAAAC/kevin-garnett-oh.gif

[BigShotBob]

What happens to Lebron's career if he never left Cleveland?

No dip....

No chip

[Baller789]

What happens to Lebron's career if he never left Cleveland?

No dip....

No chip

And still only went 4/10 :roll:

[AirBonner]

Imagine making fun of 4 chips

[Bawkish]

The goalposts moved many times like how Bron moved to different teams :lol

[Baller789]

Imagine making fun of 4 chips
Imagine being proud of 6 runner up medals.

The goalposts moved many times like how Bron moved to different teams :lol
Pretty much.

[Axe]

Op is weaponizing a coincidence
:roll:

[Axe]

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.
In other words, basketball isn't a team game to begin with lmao.

[72-10]

this thread's a lot like what your former job was a lot like - an absolute zero

[TheCorporation]

GrayGoat OP gottem on the three S's

Skating
Silenced
Shaking

[Baller789]

1 occasion = Maybe a coincidence
2 occasions = Less likely to be a coincidence
3 occasions = Not a coincidence
4 occasions = Nowhere near a coincidence, but a pattern

And we have 4 occasions of empirical evidence where the two played without each other. but where one was doing better than the other 1. 1994 playoffs, 2. 2000 playoffs vs 3. 1984-1987 first round exits and 4. 2001-2003 playoffs missed in the weakest conference ever.
The funny thing is that even Jordan's pre-Pippen first round exits should come with an asterisks because those playoffs were made on 40, 38 and 30 win teams. Had he played in a normal era where you need a .500 record for a playoff spot, he most likely would have 0 playoff games in his career without Pippen.


This is enough info to abolish Nike and Hanes commercials for decades


Brutal reality

The brutal reality that no one worth their salt agrees with theGoatest's disingeneous methodology. :pimp:

[Baller789]

GrayGoat OP gottem on the three S's

Skating
Silenced
Shaking

Hello noPower64

[AirBonner]

Big facts op!

[TheCorporation]

Hello noPower64

Hello Julius

[Baller789]

Big facts op!

Too bad Mike doesn't even get bothered tho. No matter how hard you Brantards try to weaponize it.

https://i.ibb.co/LDTzrT3/images-1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[TheCorporation]

Too bad Mike doesn't even get bothered tho. No matter how hard you Brantards try to weaponize it.

https://i.ibb.co/LDTzrT3/images-1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

^^^Weak

\/\/\/ GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/VLzymXKB/q23y4-RX6033-XzwLQ-5549-B19-Jx32.png

[Baller789]

^^^Weak

\/\/\/ GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/VLzymXKB/q23y4-RX6033-XzwLQ-5549-B19-Jx32.png
Yes twerp, we all know your ability to process information is weak.

[TheGoatest]

^^^Weak

\/\/\/ GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/VLzymXKB/q23y4-RX6033-XzwLQ-5549-B19-Jx32.png

Damn, wrecked. :oldlol:

[Baller789]

^^^Weak

\/\/\/ GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/VLzymXKB/q23y4-RX6033-XzwLQ-5549-B19-Jx32.png


Damn, wrecked. :oldlol:

Why? This wasn't even the point of this thread.

:roll:

[000]

Lebad is shackled to superteams

[HylianNightmare]

LeBron's shackled to Roids.

And superstar help

[John8204]

MJ is cutting this b1tch deep lmao

I got MJ at 1, Wilt at 2, and Lebron at 3 all-time and all three them could have been on steroids. The difference between me and MJ fans on this board seems to be MJ fans are just mentally unhinged and obsessed with Lebron. You treat the man like he's Jesus...it's weird and creepy.

[Baller789]

I got MJ at 1, Wilt at 2, and Lebron at 3 all-time and all three them could have been on steroids. The difference between me and MJ fans on this board seems to be MJ fans are just mentally unhinged and obsessed with Lebron. You treat the man like he's Jesus...it's weird and creepy.

Not really. Except for a few, it's fun and entertaining watching Lebron stans meltdown and use incoherent arguments.

[GrayGoat]

^^^Weak

\/\/\/ GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/VLzymXKB/q23y4-RX6033-XzwLQ-5549-B19-Jx32.png

LeBeast

[Baller789]

LeBeast

Letotals
Lelongevity
LeBarry Bonds

[AirBonner]

3ball had no answer to this thread. Completely miffed by the historical record

[TheGoatest]

It's not only that jordon has had ZERO success without The Great Scott Pippen. It's also that The Great Scott Pippen also had substantially more success without jordon than jordon did without him.

0 .500 seasons out of 5
1-9 records in the playoffs in series that wouldn't even exist in an era where 8 out of 11 teams in a conference made the playoffs
In your third season at the age of 24 finishing lower in the seedings than a team consisting of players who were never all-stars and whose best player by far was a rookie 22 year-old Chuck Person

That is beyond embarrassing.

[Axe]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd2GgvXt3SM

[Spurs m8]

Op is still a virgin