Lebron is a smart basketball player... for a ball-dominator...

[3ba11]

So he's learned how to "westbrook" smartly, essentially mastering an inferior way to play the game (ball-dominance) that mostly loses regardless of cast and constantly needs more help after reducing each incoming teammate to spot-up roles - this inferior strategy turned preseason favorites into Finals underdogs or losers every year for 7 straight years (2010-2016)... :applause:

Good job Bron.. You're a basketball "genius"... lol

[SATAN]

1-9.

[Baller789]

1-9.

Lebron was 1-9?

[Mr. Woke]

LeBron is the smartest basketball player who has ever lived.

[3ba11]

LeBron is the smartest basketball player who has ever lived.


By virtue of being a ball-dominator, Lebron isn't playing as smart as someone that combines elite ball-dominance AND elite jumpshooting skill/off-ball, which allows better teammate fits and the best strategy (ball movement), thus yielding the highest team ceilings/Finals records.

[sdot_thadon]

LeBron is the smartest basketball player who has ever lived.

[SouBeachTalents]

It is pretty impressive that a guy who apparently isn’t good at anything related to basketball has had such an amazing career.

[HunterSThompson]

1-9.

both lebron and Jordan couldn't win by themselves. but when Jordan got the most basic amount of help he almost never lost again

meanwhile lebrons lost with wade and bosh, then lost with wade bosh and Allen, then lost with kyrie and love. then lost with AD. and now might lost with AD and Westbrook.


Jordan with all that help would have 11 rings and going for #12 this season if he never plays baseball lol


lebron can barely win with all the help in the world. even rhe only times he was successful it was due to bail outs, lockouts, suspensions, bubbles etc...


he should realistically be 1 for 10 in nba finals

[3ba11]

LeBron is the smartest basketball player who has ever lived.


He turned the on-paper, preseason favorite into Finals loser or underdog for 7 straight years (2010-2016), except the Ray Allen miracle..

That's the definition of dumb because the talent made them preseason favorites, but weak brand of ball cedes favorite status to others as the season progresses - every year.

Lebron can't employ the best strategy, such as high assist teams & ball movement teams - he never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never elevated teammates (organic winning) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).

That's pretty dumb, confirmed by his Finals record and career turnover lead, or any number of teammates cratering alongside his frontcourt ball-dominance.

Ultimately, Lebron is dumb for not starting at PG - his ball-domination isn't abnormal for a PG, but it's abnormal for a forward, which hurts ball movement and team assists compared to other teams whose forwards are highly-assisted, off-ball players.. So Lebron is a pretty dumb player.. even for a ball-dominator, so the thread title is wrong.

[SouBeachTalents]

both lebron and Jordan couldn't win by themselves. but when Jordan got the most basic amount of help he almost never lost again

meanwhile lebrons lost with wade and bosh, then lost with wade bosh and Allen, then lost with kyrie and love. then lost with AD. and now might lost with AD and Westbrook.


Jordan with all that help would have 11 rings and going for #12 this season if he never plays baseball lol


lebron can barely win with all the help in the world. even rhe only times he was successful it was due to bail outs, lockouts, suspensions, bubbles etc...


he should realistically be 1 for 10 in nba finals
Jordan never played more than 7 consecutive seasons and you think he wins 11 titles in a row :lol

[3ba11]

Jordan never played more than 7 consecutive seasons and you think he wins 11 titles in a row :lol





Only because he gets bored of dominating and needs a challenge - the ultimate competitor would never have retired if he lost in 93' or 98', just like he can't leave the golf course or blackjack table if he's stuck..

But yeah, if he's up millions and there's no chance of losing, then yeah, he'll quit with adequate challengers

[AlternativeAcc.]

Only because he gets bored of dominating and needs a challenge - the ultimate competitor would never have retired if he lost in 93' or 98', just like he can't leave the golf course or blackjack table if he's stuck..

But yeah, if he's up millions and there's no chance of losing, then yeah, he'll quit with adequate challengers

Did he get bored of hitting .200 in minor league baseball?

[HunterSThompson]

Jordan never played more than 7 consecutive seasons and you think he wins 11 titles in a row :lol

apparently you missed the part where I said if he never plays baseball. you act like Jordan's body wasn't up to the task. he was durable as hell

[Wally450]

It is pretty impressive that a guy who apparently isn’t good at anything related to basketball has had such an amazing career.

And has a guy making 3 threads about him daily trying to explain how he's not good. :lol

[aj1987]

Did he get bored of hitting .200 in minor league baseball?

:roll: :roll:

[Baller789]

Another Lebron thread turned into a Jordan thread.

Good job Lebrontards :lol

[TheCorporation]

1-9

[TheCorporation]

Did he get bored of hitting .200 in minor league baseball?

Shit

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

This is actually not a bad way to put it. He chooses to play an inferior style of ball which is low iq but he partially makes up for it with high iq decisions on the floor in that system.

He's essentially making high iq decisions in a low iq system.

[Baller789]

This is actually not a bad way to put it. He chooses to play an inferior style of ball which is low iq but he partially makes up for it with high iq decisions on the floor in that system.

He's essentially making high iq decisions in a low iq system.

Too bad his high iq doesn't extend to the defensive end.

[Bronbron23]

Too bad his high iq doesn't extend to the defensive end.

True but he is old as hell in bball years. It's not like he wasn't an elite defender in his prime. At this point in his career he deserves and probably needs a break on the other end.

[RogueBorg]

If he ever passes to Westbrook again he's not very smart.

[Baller789]

True but he is old as hell in bball years. It's not like he wasn't an elite defender in his prime. At this point in his career he deserves and probably needs a break on the other end.

It's not that he's below average defensively, it's that he doesn't give F on D. Lebron gotta have some shame.

[FilmyCogTurner]

It's pretty interesting that with all the seasons Lebron has played and with all the help he's had through the years he was never able to organize the talent around him to an actual TEAM. Something akin to the 2nd three peat Bulls or the Warriors dynasty. Hardly GOAT material if you ask me.

[Bronbron23]

It's not that he's below average defensively, it's that he doesn't give F on D. Lebron gotta have some shame.

It's better come playoff time but yeah overall it's a problem forsure

[Baller789]

It's pretty interesting that with all the seasons Lebron has played and with all the help he's had through the years he was never able to organize the talent around him to an actual TEAM. Something akin to the 2nd three peat Bulls or the Warriors dynasty. Hardly GOAT material if you ask me.

His teams have been setup to cater to him and only him. And that's on him.

That's why he diminishes his all-star teammates, his teams have lower team assists, and his teams fall apart without him.

Perfect example of low key selfishball.

[FilmyCogTurner]

His teams have been setup to cater to him and only him. And that's on him.

That's why he diminishes his all-star teammates, his teams have lower team assists, and his teams fall apart without him.

Perfect example of low key selfishball.

Agree - I see nothing more selfish than a player hijacking an entire team offense because he is unable to player any other way. The third star was always forced to make major sacrifices for the good of team and never Lebron not once. Instead he ships them out or bolts himself. Either way it's a disgrace to the game.

[aj1987]

Agree - I see nothing more selfish than a player hijacking an entire team offense because he is unable to player any other way. The third star was always forced to make major sacrifices for the good of team and never Lebron not once. Instead he ships them out or bolts himself. Either way it's a disgrace to the game.

All that resulted was them getting significantly more attention, rings, and money. Almost all of them were career losers who struggled to make the PO's (let alone win a title) before LeBron.

[Baller789]

All that resulted was them getting significantly more attention, rings, and money. Almost all of them were career losers who struggled to make the PO's (let alone win a title) before LeBron.

You mean "team accomplishments"?

So you're basically saying Durant did the right thing joining the Warriors right?

[FilmyCogTurner]

All that resulted was them getting significantly more attention, rings, and money. Almost all of them were career losers who struggled to make the PO's (let alone win a title) before LeBron.

Not even close. Lebron was fortunate enough to team up with star players that were all in their primes. This isn't some Barkley on the Rockets or GP/Malone with the 2004 Lakers type scenario. These are players that were in their peak physical/mental primes and Lebron and his "superior IQ" could not assemble all this talent into a juggernaut team. Not even once. Hardly GOAT material.

[aj1987]

Not even close. Lebron was fortunate enough to team up with star players that were all in their primes. This isn't some Barkley on the Rockets or GP/Malone with the 2004 Lakers type scenario. These are players that were in their peak physical/mental primes and Lebron and his "superior IQ" could not assemble all this talent into a juggernaut team. Not even once. Hardly GOAT material.

I never said he was the GOAT. Besides that, Ordan never had a .500 season without Pippen. Let that sink in. And here we are, expecting a player in his 19th season to be the best in the World and carry his team to the Championship. Literally no one in the history of sports had those kinda expectations on them.


You mean "team accomplishments"?

So you're basically saying Durant did the right thing joining the Warriors right?

Good Lord! Are you on drugs, dude?

[FilmyCogTurner]

I never said he was the GOAT. Besides that, Ordan never had a .500 season without Pippen. Let that sink in. And here we are, expecting a player in his 19th season to be the best in the World and carry his team to the Championship. Literally no one in the history of sports had those kinda expectations on them.


Can you name which seasons that he was under .500 without Pip?

[Baller789]

All that resulted was them getting significantly more attention, rings, and money. Almost all of them were career losers who struggled to make the PO's (let alone win a title) before LeBron.


Good Lord! Are you on drugs, dude?
KD colluded the same as what Lebron and his friends did to have a shortcut to championships. Ergo avoiding being labeled as a career loser.

So if it's ok with Lebron, it should be ok with KD too..

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not my fault you're getting triggered. :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

KD colluded the same as what Lebron and his friends did to have a shortcut to championships. Ergo avoiding being labeled as a career loser.

So if it's ok with Lebron, it should be ok with KD too..

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not my fault you're getting triggered. :confusedshrug:

Again, are you on drugs?

KD joined a 73 win team with the reigning 2x league MVP. A team he was up 3-1 against and lost to, the previous season. Anything remotely close would be LeBron joining the Celtics in '11.

Not my fault you're retarded. :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

KD colluded the same as what Lebron and his friends did to have a shortcut to championships. Ergo avoiding being labeled as a career loser.

So if it's ok with Lebron, it should be ok with KD too..

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not my fault you're getting triggered. :confusedshrug:

BREAKING: KD joins 73-win team and makes them a little better to win 1 more Finals game.

[aj1987]

Can you name which seasons that he was under .500 without Pip?

Every single season. :roll: :roll:

That's the sad part.

[Baller789]

Again, are you on drugs?

KD joined a 73 win team with the reigning 2x league MVP. A team he was up 3-1 against and lost to, the previous season. Anything remotely close would be LeBron joining the Celtics in '11.

Not my fault you're retarded. :confusedshrug:

Was KD an NBA champ before or after he joined the Warriors?

If yes, then that justifies his decision of avoiding being a career loser much like you are justifying Lebron's friends colluding to avoid being labelled a loser.

Not not fault you didn't like because he wasn't Lebron.

:confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Was KD an NBA champ before or after he joined the Warriors?

If yes, then that justifies his decision of avoiding being a career loser much like you are justifying Lebron's friends colluding to avoid being labelled a loser.

Not not fault you didn't like because he wasn't Lebron.

:confusedshrug:

How good are the double standards hahahah

[Baller789]

How good are the double standards hahahah

True.

They are in full damage control for Lebron having great stats despite the team losing and being crap.

Kinda like 80's Jordan. At least Mike didn't have a triple double machine/ former MVP as a teammate.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Every single season. :roll: :roll:

That's the sad part.

You mean his rookie season and his third season while missing the majority of his second? A player that made improvements to his game every step of the way to eventually take full control of the league and never let go. Yeah, what a shit career.

It's a shame he didn't host "war room" meetings to collude and shortcut his way to cheapened championships.

[aj1987]

Was KD an NBA champ before or after he joined the Warriors?
You could've replaced KD with pretty my 90% of the NBA that season and they still would've won a title.


If yes, then that justifies his decision of avoiding being a career loser much like you are justifying Lebron's friends colluding to avoid being labelled a loser.
Sigh...

Again:

KD joined a 73 win team with the reigning 2x league MVP. A team he was up 3-1 against and lost to, the previous season. Anything remotely close would be LeBron joining the Celtics in '11.


INot not fault you didn't like because he wasn't Lebron.

:confusedshrug:

Yes, he literally ran to the team that he was up 3-1 on and still managed to lose.

:confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

Again, are you on drugs?

KD joined a 73 win team with the reigning 2x league MVP. A team he was up 3-1 against and lost to, the previous season. Anything remotely close would be LeBron joining the Celtics in '11.

Not my fault you're retarded. :confusedshrug:


In 2010, Lebron asked "Aside from me, who has the next-best PER in the land?"

And he teamed up with that guy (Wade) - the #2 PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48.. That's like Kobe teaming up with Tmac or Magic teaming up with Bird... aka UNPRECEDENTED

Then he added a top 3 PF to make absolutely sure he wouldn't ever miss another Finals like he did from 08-10' (all were either upsets or embarrassments/horrible performance).

Ultimately, Lebron never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles, and therefore never learned how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[Baller789]

You could've replaced KD with pretty my 90% of the NBA that season and they still would've won a title.


Sigh...

Again:

KD joined a 73 win team with the reigning 2x league MVP. A team he was up 3-1 against and lost to, the previous season. Anything remotely close would be LeBron joining the Celtics in '11.



Yes, he literally ran to the team that he was up 3-1 on and still managed to lose.

:confusedshrug:

Amazing how you would use deflections and mental gymnastics on this one.

:lol

Again, we were talking about KD's career and how his move to GSW was justified because he avoided being a career loser by finally winning a ring. It doesn't matter if it was a 73 win team because that was how you justified Lebron's owns teammates with their collusions. That's your logic, not mine.

Amazing how double standards work. Your own contradictions basically means you are arguing with yourself.

:yaohappy:

[aj1987]

Amazing how you would use deflections and mental gymnastics on this one.

:lol

Again, we were talking about KD's career and how his move to GSW was justified because he avoided being a career loser by finally winning a ring. It doesn't matter if it was a 73 win team because that was how you justified Lebron's owns teammates with their collusions. That's your logic, not mine.

Amazing how double standards work. Your own contradictions basically means you are arguing with yourself.

:yaohappy:

FFS, you shit for brains, how do you not understand the difference in what LeBron and KD did? KD went to a CHAMPIONSHIP team. A team absolutely LOADED with talent and full of superstars, DPOY's, FMVP's, All-NBA and All-Star's, and an MVP. A team that won 73 games the year before and beat KD's team. A team that won a championship two seasons before (and would've won in '16 again, if it wasn't for LeBron). Not to mention the FACT that KD had another superstar with him in OKC. Lets not act like he was playing with subpar players and trash in OKC, like LeBron was in Cleveland.

Do you get it now? I can't dumb it down any further.


In 2010, Lebron asked "Aside from me, who has the next-best PER in the land?"

And he teamed up with that guy (Wade) - the #2 PER, BPM, VORP and WS/48.. That's like Kobe teaming up with Tmac or Magic teaming up with Bird... aka UNPRECEDENTED

Then he added a top 3 PF to make absolutely sure he wouldn't ever miss another Finals like he did from 08-10' (all were either upsets or embarrassments/horrible performance).

Ultimately, Lebron never evolved out of offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles, and therefore never learned how to WIN (organic) - he only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning), and talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement (lottery record against Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

Go jump off a cliff. :cheers:

[Baller789]

FFS, you shit for brains, how do you not understand the difference in what LeBron and KD did? KD went to a CHAMPIONSHIP team. A team absolutely LOADED with talent and full of superstars, DPOY's, FMVP's, All-NBA and All-Star's, and an MVP. A team that won 73 games the year before and beat KD's team. A team that won a championship two seasons before (and would've won in '16 again, if it wasn't for LeBron). Not to mention the FACT that KD had another superstar with him in OKC. Lets not act like he was playing with subpar players and trash in OKC, like LeBron was in Cleveland.

Do you get it now? I can't dumb it down any further.



Go jump off a cliff. :cheers:

Doesn't matter. The GSW were an overrated 73-win regular season wonder the season before. If that's the case, Lebron joined a proven champion in Miami's Wade with Bosh as fellow collusion artists.

The important thing is KD lost his championship virginity. So that justifies his collusion. Because you are arguing that it's ok for Love and Bosh to do it.

Don't be mad if your idea of double standards is way off being neutral.

:violin: