Giannis going for his 3rd league mvp now?

[HunterSThompson]

nets winning without Durant and about to get kyrie back

warriors just lost without draymond. curry shaky as hell lately

jokic and lebrons teams stuck in mediocrity

meanwhile giannis is having another historic season and without another superstar beside him is yet again contending for the 1st seed out East.

the guy did just win the title and finals mvp last year. maybe he is the best. maybe we should stop pretending he isn't

27/12/6 and dpoty candidate

bucks 2 games behind Brooklyn

https://i.ibb.co/FJMgL3Q/kazoo-kid-1.gif

[ELITEpower23]

Stephen Curry

[HunterSThompson]

Stephen Curry

...is having a worse season than giannis on both ends of the floor?

this just shows how much narrative controls who wins these things

[John8204]

It's early but if The Suns win the west...Chris Paul really should get 1 MVP, I don't think anyone has turned around as many bad and average teams as Paul. They tend to cap MVP's which is why Jordan never beat Kareem and Lebron didn't beat Jordan.

[HunterSThompson]

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-24-2021-edition

my f*cking God. nba.com Kia ladder has giannis 5th lmao

#1 curry
#2 KD
#3 Jokic
#4 Paul


lol wut.. I guess the media is capping giannis at 2. no point in bringing up his name for another 5 years at least

[1987_Lakers]

Better pray either Curry & Durant don't win MVP, they might surpass Kobe on the all-time list if one of them grabs it.

[HunterSThompson]

Better pray either Curry & Durant don't win MVP, they might surpass Kobe on the all-time list if one of them grabs it.

sorry it's about titles by mvp winners not mvps by title winners.

Moses Malone 3 mvps and 1 title is never even considered for top 10.. but kobes been top 5 and ahead of lebitch on everyone's list in the nba for a long time... sorry jew boy

[HunterSThompson]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499714-Revisited-factual-evidence-insidehoops-is-a-message-board-for-retards


hey jew boy check this thread out. it's so funny lmao

[1987_Lakers]

sorry it's about titles by mvp winners not mvps by title winners.

Moses Malone 3 mvps and 1 title is never even considered for top 10.. but kobes been top 5 and ahead of lebitch on everyone's list in the nba for a long time... sorry jew boy

It's no coincidence that the players with the most MVPs are considered to be top 4 ever. Russell, Kareem, MJ, & LeBron. Even Wilt with 4 MVPs is considered top 5 by many.

To be the best of the best you have to have a good mix of MVPs and Chips, something Kobe & Moses DON'T have. (1 chip for Moses & 1 MVP for Kobe)

[HunterSThompson]

It's no coincidence that the players with the most MVPs are considered to be top 4 ever. Russell, Kareem, MJ, & LeBron. Even Wilt with 4 MVPs is considered top 5 by many.

To be the best of the best you have to have a good mix of MVPs and Chips, something Kobe & Moses DON'T have. (1 chip for Moses & 1 MVP for Kobe)

il tell you what. if either of curry or Durant get 4 mvps with 4 rings and multiple finals mvps .. il admit they're at least in the discussion. but so are kobe, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird etc... lots of guys make people's top 5 lists. and more of them have kobe in them than lebron believe it or not. just look some up. players don't really respect lebron. did you know a lot of guys think he took the easy route to winning titles. ask guys like MJ, giannis, Barkley and others. it's quite comical

[Phoenix]

sorry it's about titles by mvp winners not mvps by title winners.

Moses Malone 3 mvps and 1 title is never even considered for top 10.. but kobes been top 5 and ahead of lebitch on everyone's list in the nba for a long time... sorry jew boy

If anything it should be finals MVPs + season MVPs, since championships are a team award. But I suspect as a Kobe fan you would steer pretty clear of that idea.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

Giannis is the best when kawhi is not around.

But when kawhi is around, giannis is kawhi's doorman. Backdoor swept and handcuffed in 2019.

The league really is a piece of shit when kawhi isn't playing, it's like the 1960s era with a 3 point line

[John8204]

Both Curry and Durant need at least 5 rings...Durant really needs a 3-peet with the Nets for me to consider him a top ten guy. Durant really needs to pile up those rings because he's been on great times...unlike Lebron who'se mostly been on top loaded teams. Durant hopped on a bandwagon and then hoped off on a better bandwagon.

[1987_Lakers]

il tell you what. if either of curry or Durant get 4 mvps with 4 rings and multiple finals mvps .. il admit they're at least in the discussion. but so are kobe, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird etc... lots of guys make people's top 5 lists. and more of them have kobe in them than lebron believe it or not. just look some up. players don't really respect lebron. did you know a lot of guys think he took the easy route to winning titles. ask guys like MJ, giannis, Barkley and others. it's quite comical

They are already in the discussion, as a sheer basketball player Durant is better than Kobe, all he needs is longevity.

[k0kakw0rld]

Jokic is by far the superior individual carrying a g league team. His running mate right now is Austin Rivers LOL

[HunterSThompson]

If anything it should be finals MVPs + season MVPs, since championships are a team award. But I suspect as a Kobe fan you would steer pretty clear of that idea.

well you see there's a problem with your formula. because a lot of teams win titles with 2 major stars or more. so just giving one guy all the credit is kind of retarded

like Kareem obviously deserves his 1980 ring. and his 1982 ring

bird obviously deserves his 1981 ring

Russell obviously deserves all of his rings.

wilt deserves both of his

Duncan deserves all of his

magic deserves at least 4 even if you disqualify the phantom call series. not just 3

curry deserves at least one even if you disqualify him for the Durant collusion

Dr J deserves his ring

zeke deserves both of his and probably a 3rd from 1988

Robinson deserves his from 1999 for sure.


Manu definitely from 2005

garnett and Allen should at least get the same credit as pierce for their bogus ring in 2008

God knows Jason Terry earned his ring in 2011

we could do this all night. I don't even need to get into kobes 5 because that's been done to death and its obvious kobe carried shaqs fat ass to every single finals by doing all the dirty work vs Portland, sanantonio and Sacramento. Shaq won his finals mvps vs scrubs. so the real finals isn't even always the last series guys play. so the award only being given out for one series is kind of retarded isn't it

so instead use your brain next time before posting

[HunterSThompson]

They are already in the discussion, as a sheer basketball player Durant is better than Kobe, all he needs is longevity.

let's ask Durant what he thinks. and maybe as a shooter durants better but he doesn't have half of kobes go to moves/counters/off arm stuff/post ups/footwork/toughness and isn't close defensively. he's also too passive at times. he's very skilled at shooting but he's limited to just pull ups and turn around jumpers. the guy isn't polished like kobe. which is why lebron apparently owned him 1 on 1. he just doesn't care either. durant has no heart. he's indifferent about legacies

he is however closer to kobe than Curry since Currys legit never proven himself even once when it matters

[1987_Lakers]

l
he is however closer to kobe than Curry since Currys legit never proven himself even once when it matters

How is Kobe more proven when it matters? Dude stunk up pretty much every Finals he played in, his biggest moments were in the WCF and Curry has had his share of dominant Conference Finals as well.

Moves/counters/post ups blah blah blah, McHale was more skilled and a better defender than Shaq, does that make him better? No. At the end of the day Durant is a physical specimen that Kobe isn't, his ability to shoot from anywhere with his size makes him unstoppable, he doesn't need all those moves Kobe had. He scores at the same rate as a peak Kobe with greater efficiency. And KD is no slouch on the defensive end as well.

[John_Connor]

How is Kobe more proven when it matters? Dude stunk up pretty much every Finals he played, his biggest moments were in the WCF and Curry has had his share of dominant Conference Finals as well.

Moves/counters/post ups blah blah blah, McHale was more skilled and a better defender than Shaq, does that make him better? No. At the end of the day Durant is a physical specimen that Kobe isn't, his ability to shoot from anywhere with his size makes him unstoppable, he doesn't need all those moves Kobe had. He scores at the same rate as a peak Kobe with greater efficiency. And KD is no slouch on the defensive end as well.



let me speak for hunter since he has you on ignore again...

kobe carried shaq to the finals in game 7 vs Portland in 2000... then carried shaq after he fouled out in game 4 vs Indiana to save the finals

then carried shaq past sanantonio in 2001. and carried shaq past the kings in 2001. and carried him vs sanantonio again in 2002. then almost single handedly saved the 2003 series vs the sours but horry couldn't make one shot. then kobe basically carried the Lakers in 2004 to the finals again. then he carried the Lakers to the title in 2009. and then carried the Lakers to the finals in 2010 and had a tough game 7 vs Boston I guess. buuuuut he did come up huge in the last 15 minutes

so kobe has a history of coming up huge vs the best teams in the world to lead his team to titles. you might say "oh well what about his finals percentages. well everyone on the perimeter had poor percentages back when people actually played defense. did you know that the nba just admitted that the league was absolute dog shit during lebrons entire prime. they just took away all the crap fouls that protect offensive players and now guys are actually being forced to play physical again. its great. luckily for lebron he's a big guy. he's pretty strong isn't he. roids doin that boy well I tell ya. if only he knew how to build a roster. oh well. maybe next year

[1987_Lakers]

let me speak for hunter since he has you on ignore again...

kobe carried shaq to the finals in game 7 vs Portland in 2000... then carried shaq after he fouled out in game 4 vs Indiana to save the finals

then carried shaq past sanantonio in 2001. and carried shaq past the kings in 2001. and carried him vs sanantonio again in 2002. then almost single handedly saved the 2003 series vs the sours but horry couldn't make one shot. then kobe basically carried the Lakers in 2004 to the finals again. then he carried the Lakers to the title in 2009. and then carried the Lakers to the finals in 2010 and had a tough game 7 vs Boston I guess. buuuuut he did come up huge in the last 15 minutes

so kobe has a history of coming up huge vs the best teams in the world to lead his team to titles. you might say "oh well what about his finals percentages. well everyone on the perimeter had poor percentages back when people actually played defense. did you know that the nba just admitted that the league was absolute dog shit during lebrons entire prime. they just took away all the crap fouls that protect offensive players and now guys are actually being forced to play physical again. its great. luckily for lebron he's a big guy. he's pretty strong isn't he. roids doin that boy well I tell ya. if only he knew how to build a roster. oh well. maybe next year

I'm sure Kobe probably does have more iconic playoff moments than Curry, but Kobe isn't exactly the player people use as an example for dominant postseason play, both Kobe and Curry under performed in the Finals while both had great success in previous rounds. KD for example is a superior playoff performer than Kobe all across the board.

[Phoenix]

well you see there's a problem with your formula. because a lot of teams win titles with 2 major stars or more. so just giving one guy all the credit is kind of retarded

like Kareem obviously deserves his 1980 ring. and his 1982 ring

bird obviously deserves his 1981 ring

Russell obviously deserves all of his rings.

wilt deserves both of his

Duncan deserves all of his

magic deserves at least 4 even if you disqualify the phantom call series. not just 3

curry deserves at least one even if you disqualify him for the Durant collusion

Dr J deserves his ring

zeke deserves both of his and probably a 3rd from 1988

Robinson deserves his from 1999 for sure.


Manu definitely from 2005

garnett and Allen should at least get the same credit as pierce for their bogus ring in 2008

God knows Jason Terry earned his ring in 2011

we could do this all night. I don't even need to get into kobes 5 because that's been done to death and its obvious kobe carried shaqs fat ass to every single finals by doing all the dirty work vs Portland, sanantonio and Sacramento. Shaq won his finals mvps vs scrubs. so the real finals isn't even always the last series guys play. so the award only being given out for one series is kind of retarded isn't it

so instead use your brain next time before posting

Christ what a meltdown.

There's no problem with the formula. YOUR problem with the formula is that Kobe doesn't meet the standard for that formula that guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Russell do. If he did, you'd be in perfect agreement with it. In fact, you all but said it here:


il tell you what. if either of curry or Durant get 4 mvps with 4 rings and multiple finals mvps .. il admit they're at least in the discussion. but so are kobe, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Bird etc... lots of guys make people's top 5 lists. and more of them have kobe in them than lebron believe it or not. just look some up. players don't really respect lebron. did you know a lot of guys think he took the easy route to winning titles. ask guys like MJ, giannis, Barkley and others. it's quite comical

Kobe doesn't meet that standard, so why are you saying guys like Durant and Curry need to? Not only does he fall short of that standard compared to those guys, he falls short compared to several others:

MJ: 5 MVPs, 6 finals MVPs
Kareem: 6 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Magic: 3 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs
Bird: 3 MVPs, 2 finals MVP
Russell: 5 MVPs
Wilt: 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Duncan: 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs

Notice who's missing above? Shaq and Lebron. Why? Because I'm playing your game that Kobe 'carried' Shaq to the finals( ridiculous, but I'm in the mood for humouring you for a bit) and you consider Lebron a fraud. So even with those players omitted for your retarded reasons, there's 7 players right there with at least 5 MVPs, between season and Finals. If your player of choice can count those on one hand? You ain't in no conversation for top 5, and you're barely in it for top 10 in the best of circumstances. You can prattle off links to certain players saying he's top 5 because they preferred his game aesthetically or his overall skillset( which IS in the conversation for GOAT). but in terms of what that translated to on the court? He's behind the above players at the very least, and at gunpoint I'd take 93-95 Hakeem over any version of Kobe( and has the same number of MVPs, 2 finals, 1 MVP), not to forget multiple DPOY awards and only player in top ten in steals and blocks..........as a center. Nope, he ain't above Hakeem either.

[Johnny32]

bucks are 2-5 without jrue holiday. same logic as warriors without dray.

[Phoenix]

I'm sure Kobe probably does have more iconic playoff moments than Curry, but Kobe isn't exactly the player people use as an example for dominant postseason play, both Kobe and Curry under performed in the Finals while both had great success in previous rounds. KD for example is a superior playoff performer than Kobe all across the board.

Even in his best finals( 2009), he shot 43%.

[SouBeachTalents]

Christ what a meltdown.

There's no problem with the formula. YOUR problem with the formula is that Kobe doesn't meet the standard for that formula that guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Russell do. If he did, you'd be in perfect agreement with it. In fact, you all but said it here:



Kobe doesn't meet that standard, so why are you saying guys like Durant and Curry need to? Not only does he fall short of that standard compared to those guys, he falls short compared to several others:

MJ: 5 MVPs, 6 finals MVPs
Kareem: 6 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Magic: 3 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs
Bird: 3 MVPs, 2 finals MVP
Russell: 5 MVPs
Wilt: 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Duncan: 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs

Notice who's missing above? Shaq and Lebron. Why? Because I'm playing your game that Kobe 'carried' Shaq to the finals( ridiculous, but I'm in the mood for humouring you for a bit) and you consider Lebron a fraud. So even with those players omitted for your retarded reasons, there's 7 players right there with at least 5 MVPs, between season and Finals. If your player of choice can count those on one hand? You ain't in no conversation for top 5, and you're barely in it for top 10 in the best of circumstances. You can prattle off links to certain players saying he's top 5 because they preferred his game aesthetically or his overall skillset( which IS in the conversation for GOAT). but in terms of what that translated to on the court? He's behind the above players at the very least, and at gunpoint I'd take 93-95 Hakeem over any version of Kobe( and has the same number of MVPs, 2 finals, 1 MVP), not to forget multiple DPOY awards and only player in top ten in steals and blocks..........as a center. Nope, he ain't above Hakeem either.
:applause: It’s no coincidence that of the consensus top 10 players of all time, they all have at least 4 combined MVP’s, and besides Shaq they all have 5. Kobe is BARELY in the discussion with 3, which is why he’s consistently fringe top 10 with Hakeem, who as you mentioned has 2 DPOY and a widely considered superior peak and more impressive title runs.

“Most titles by MVP winner”, wonder how the hell Kenny came up with that :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

:applause: It’s no coincidence that of the consensus top 10 players of all time, they all have at least 4 combined MVP’s, and besides Shaq they all have 5. Kobe is BARELY in the discussion with 3, which is why he’s consistently fringe top 10 with Hakeem, who as you mentioned has 2 DPOY and a widely considered superior peak and more impressive title runs.

“Most titles by MVP winner”, wonder how the hell Kenny came up with that :oldlol:

Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, Kobe didn't even win the title the year he won MVP :lol. Every player I mentioned above did it, in some cases multiple times.

It's just hilarious to me that he thinks Durant and Curry have to subscribe to select arbitrary metrics to pass Kobe, but those same arbitrary metrics has Kobe fall short of several players and I did him the favor of Thanos-snapping Shaq and Lebron out of the picture for shits and giggles.

[TheCorporation]

:applause: It’s no coincidence that of the consensus top 10 players of all time, they all have at least 4 combined MVP’s, and besides Shaq they all have 5. Kobe is BARELY in the discussion with 3, which is why he’s consistently fringe top 10 with Hakeem, who as you mentioned has 2 DPOY and a widely considered superior peak and more impressive title runs.

“Most titles by MVP winner”, wonder how the hell Kenny came up with that :oldlol:


SBT with another high IQ thread shutdown :lol

Someone's gotta teach OP the basics. Appreciate you G :cheers:

[HunterSThompson]

Christ what a meltdown.

There's no problem with the formula. YOUR problem with the formula is that Kobe doesn't meet the standard for that formula that guys like MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Russell do. If he did, you'd be in perfect agreement with it. In fact, you all but said it here:



Kobe doesn't meet that standard, so why are you saying guys like Durant and Curry need to? Not only does he fall short of that standard compared to those guys, he falls short compared to several others:

MJ: 5 MVPs, 6 finals MVPs
Kareem: 6 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Magic: 3 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs
Bird: 3 MVPs, 2 finals MVP
Russell: 5 MVPs
Wilt: 4 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs
Duncan: 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs

Notice who's missing above? Shaq and Lebron. Why? Because I'm playing your game that Kobe 'carried' Shaq to the finals( ridiculous, but I'm in the mood for humouring you for a bit) and you consider Lebron a fraud. So even with those players omitted for your retarded reasons, there's 7 players right there with at least 5 MVPs, between season and Finals. If your player of choice can count those on one hand? You ain't in no conversation for top 5, and you're barely in it for top 10 in the best of circumstances. You can prattle off links to certain players saying he's top 5 because they preferred his game aesthetically or his overall skillset( which IS in the conversation for GOAT). but in terms of what that translated to on the court? He's behind the above players at the very least, and at gunpoint I'd take 93-95 Hakeem over any version of Kobe( and has the same number of MVPs, 2 finals, 1 MVP), not to forget multiple DPOY awards and only player in top ten in steals and blocks..........as a center. Nope, he ain't above Hakeem either.

kobe has 2 of the top 5 averages as a 2nd option in playiff and finals history for a championship team. to simply disqualify his 2001 and 2002 titles due to a finals mvp not being attached to it is just low IQ. you post like a 30 year old Jewish midget sometimes. grow up


at most you can say kobes 2000 ring wasn't full credit but he did save the season twice and ran point with first team all defense and a solid 2nd option average. so kobe has 4.5 rings at worst. still more than lebron

[HunterSThompson]

:applause: It’s no coincidence that of the consensus top 10 players of all time, they all have at least 4 combined MVP’s, and besides Shaq they all have 5. Kobe is BARELY in the discussion with 3, which is why he’s consistently fringe top 10 with Hakeem, who as you mentioned has 2 DPOY and a widely considered superior peak and more impressive title runs.

“Most titles by MVP winner”, wonder how the hell Kenny came up with that :oldlol:

media awards don't make or break a legacy. especially when the guys an accused rapist. special circumstances come into play when judging guys that the media tried to destroy. theyre doing it with Durant as well. he might become another villain with 1 mvp to crack the top 5 all time by the time he's finished


kobe was left off 8 voters ballots during his best individual season. they don't have any say in all time rankings which is why kobe is routinely placed on almost every players top 5 ever list


lebron hasn't won mvp since 2013. does that mean he hasn't been the best player since then?


you would have to agree with that in order to say kobes 1 mvp means he's somehow worse than a guy with 2 or 3 of them

[Phoenix]

kobe has 2 of the top 5 averages as a 2nd option in playiff and finals history for a championship team. to simply disqualify his 2001 and 2002 titles due to a finals mvp not being attached to it is just low IQ. you post like a 30 year old Jewish midget sometimes. grow up




Who is disqualifying those rings? He was incredibly important to those titles. But in the finals, Shaq was the dominating force. You act like Kobe didn't have the means to get finals MVP in at least the 2002 series playing opposite Kerry Kittles, since your argument is that Shaq won his FMVPs on account of his finals competition. Ok....so why couldn't Kobe squeeze one FMVP against the great Kerry Kittles?

Kobe in the finals was never REMOTELY close to Shaq in performance. Hell, even Tony Parker was able to get a FMVP playing next to prime Duncan. Kobe didn't outplay Reggie in the 2000 finals. Didn't outplay Iverson in the 2001 finals. He had no business being in the discussion for finals MVP when he didn't outplay his own counterpart in 2/3 series, never mind the gulf in finals performance compared to Shaq.

So you want to use the rings argument here. OK, so Kobe has '4.5' rings to Lebron's 4. Lebron has 4 MVPs + Finals MVPs. Let's retread your very own comments on the last page:


il tell you what. if either of curry or Durant get 4 mvps with 4 rings and multiple finals mvps .. il admit they're at least in the discussion.

Lebron has 4 x 4 x 4. Whoops. Oh but it doesn't count now.......... cause Lebron? Ok.......then there are still 7 players I posted above who combine to have more of those things. 8 when you count Shaq even though you like to downplay Shaq's FMVPs. Kobe still loses, and hilariously based on your own logic. You argue like an inbred retard mimicking a dead person for 3 months. But sure, tell someone else to grow up. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

media awards don't make or break a legacy. especially when the guys an accused rapist. special circumstances come into play when judging guys that the media tried to destroy. theyre doing it with Durant as well. he might become another villain with 1 mvp to crack the top 5 all time by the time he's finished


kobe was left off 8 voters ballots during his best individual season. they don't have any say in all time rankings which is why kobe is routinely placed on almost every players top 5 ever list


lebron hasn't won mvp since 2013. does that mean he hasn't been the best player since then?


you would have to agree with that in order to say kobes 1 mvp means he's somehow worse than a guy with 2 or 3 of them
The “media was against a rapist” theory is a nice excuse, but the facts are what seasons was Kobe legitimately deserving of MVP after the Colorado indecent?

2004: Lol
2005: Lol
2009-2013: Absolutely no argument over LeBron for any of these seasons, and obv none in 2011

So that leaves 2006 & 2007. 2007 he won 42 games while Dirk won 67, in the West, with Josh Howard as his best teammate. Kobe has absolutely no argument winning MVP over Dirk when he won 25 more games without another top 20-25 player on the roster.

2006, I’d have no issue with Kobe winning MVP, and if I were forced to vote for someone for that season, I’d vote for Kobe. But sorry, you can’t play the rapist card because someone didn’t win MVP while playing on a 45 win team.

The bitter irony of all this is CP3 had a better argument for MVP in 2008 than Kobe did in any season he didn’t win, so just be grateful Kobe has even one :lol

[Jasper]

No doubt Giannis is in the running .... Durant is required to do more scoring , as has Curry ..
Jok and Giannis have a better stat sheet in regards to domination .